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On March 25 2008 02:58 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2008 02:57 unsoundlogic wrote: The reason mafia would pose as vets is because the vets extra lives ability hurts the mafia a lot. The easiest way to get rid of veterans is to get them lynched, which makes the lives ability useless. What better way to do so than pose as a veteran and cause confusion? Just to make this clear for me, you're saying that they'd pose as a Veteran in order to cast doubt on the real Veterans, in the hopes that a real one will get lynched and save them the hits? It makes sense to me O:
EDIT: I really need a name change T_T
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No, you need a color change.
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Yes, but causing confusion is one thing...Posing and shortening the list of suspects the clues point at to 5 instead of 120+ are two extremely different things.
Now...
I do realize a way Chuiu could...I guess...Balance a near fool proof strategy...He could not disclose how many of whatever roles are playing are in the game and we wouldn't be sure people are lieing or not.
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No, by making that public you are giving the mafia a list of people who they need to target and why would we want to do that?
Let those who have the proper protection address the public.
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How the hell am I giving them a list...Thats more like...Giving them a list of WHO not to target...
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We're talking about two different things.
By posting your top five suspects you might as well put a bullseye on your back at the same time if you are on the right trail. What reason would the mafia have keeping you alive?
Those people are useless to us if they die.
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On March 25 2008 02:10 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2008 01:48 qrs wrote:On March 25 2008 01:45 Ace wrote: Honestly, what was araav offering that made any kind of sense?
being able to write a script doesn't help you win Mafia games. In these games, clues can help find mafiosi and having a master list of profiles and relevant info seems like it should be very helpful in matching the clues with people. Put it this way: maybe I'm overrating it, but if I was Mafia, I would prefer not to have a master list like that out there. If araav hadn't done it? Maybe someone else would have. Maybe not. Thats the thing, several people have already done it. It would have been done so how does that skill help to catch Mafia? Who else has already done it? I don't even know what you mean by that: if araav was the first to produce the list, anyone who came after only had to copy his list.
On a different subject: TO ALL VIGILANTES AND/OR ACE: re vigilante strategy, I'd like to suggest that we not use up vigilante kills until we have more suspects than we can deal with through lynches. For instance, at the moment, Ghar seems like a very strong suspect, but after him, the evidence on everyone else who has been brought up is a lot weaker. It might seem attractive for a vigilante to get a sure kill by killing Ghar tonight, but if the day comes, and we haven't yet figured out a sure lynch (or two) and waste the lynch on a townie, the vig kill will essentially have been wasted. As the game goes on and we/Ace figure more things out, we will probably have more suspects (as in the first game) than we can handle at one time, and then the vig kills will come in handy. When there's a line for the first cash register, that's when it's time to open the second.
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Update
This is the plan for the next Day(he person who came up with this idea will remain anonymous, i just improved on it a bit).
We know that from the Ghar List, 1 out of 7 of these people are Mafia:
Ghar List - 7
useLess aZnvaLiaNce ShadowDrgn Alventenie imDerek TranceStorm Evilmonkey
What I'm asking for is for these 7 people to split their votes. The top 3 will vote for randombum tomorrow, and the bottom 4 will vote for myself. This way neither of us stands a very good chance to get lynched tomorrow and we can see who's what. Once the list is split, we'll count check them both again.
So it should look like this:
randombum - 3 useLess aZnvaLiaNce ShadowDrgn
Ace -4 Alventenie imDerek TranceStorm Evilmonkey
If you do not follow this idea, we'll have no choice but to think you're Mafia and autovote to lynch you. I'll be PMing all of you later with this info. I'm also posting this WAY early so no one has the excuse that they did not see it.
In addition to that plan, we'll also be splitting the Mandalor Vote. The top 29(excluding me) will vote on Suspect#1 and the bottom 29 will vote on Suspect#2. These suspects will be revealed after tonight. Just like above, anyone who doesn't follow the plan we have no choice but to cast suspicion on them.
Double count the #s because my counting may be off. Here's the list:
Suspect#1 -29 Showtime! ShaLLoW[baY] qrs clazziquai ahrara_ Falcynn ZBiR unsoundlogic BWdero GeneralStan Scorch nemY MidnightGladius decafchicken L Empyrean Eti307 suresh0t randombum Lysithea French_Toast New104 Kau Artanis[Xp] Ninja4ever. Naib JeeJee Hittegods SoleSteeler
Suspect#2 -29 Romance_us Plexa LucasWoJ Caller Fishball RtS)Night[Mare Jimtudor GranDim Lenwe Alethios NatsuTerran 0cz3c Last Romantic zeks Pangolin SpiritoftheTuna Unforgiven_ve Energies BloodyC0bbler iNfuNdiBuLuM SoMuchBetter Camlito bumatlarge fanatacist ieatkids5 ~OpZ~ SonuvBob Siefu butidigress
People on the abstain list or that didn't vote can do what they want.
This, along with the way medic protections have been setup tonight will give the mafia a difficult time with targets if they haven't already sent in their hitlist. No matter who dies tonight, this plan will be carried out.
Any questions, comments or concerns let them be known.
Once again, if you go against this plan we have no choice but to cast suspicions on you.
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Ace, if there is a risk of someone (ie. you) getting lynched due to your plan, randombum can just pardon them (you)
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indeed. But I doubt there would be a risk of me getting lynched, thats only 4 votes.
If anyone hopped on a bandwagon to lynch me when it's so obvious I'm innocent, one of the DTs will count check the list, and if I'm dead speak up and reveal the mafia count. Then we'd cross check all lists and pick them out.
So yea, they can do it if they please.
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Sucks if those guys miss the post.
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True.
Good idea, but by doing this we won't win in record time. TT
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On March 25 2008 04:08 Dr.Dragoon wrote: Sucks if those guys miss the post.
next vote wont be for a long time. So I'm going to PM everyone.
If anybody says they didnt get the PM, didnt read it, or didnt check the thread that would be a far stretch.
Not checking blatantly obvious important info for that long? I dont think so.
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On March 25 2008 04:03 Ace wrote:
What I'm asking for is for these 7 people to split their votes. The top 3 will vote for randombum tomorrow, and the bottom 4 will vote for myself. This way neither of us stands a very good chance to get lynched tomorrow and we can see who's what. Once the list is split, we'll count check them both again.
This part just made me think that you'd forgotten that the Pardoner role actually has some use :p I don't honestly think 4 votes will be enough to lynch you either.
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What a great idea!
Ace, I'm glad I voted for you
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On March 25 2008 04:10 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2008 04:03 Ace wrote:
What I'm asking for is for these 7 people to split their votes. The top 3 will vote for randombum tomorrow, and the bottom 4 will vote for myself. This way neither of us stands a very good chance to get lynched tomorrow and we can see who's what. Once the list is split, we'll count check them both again.
This part just made me think that you'd forgotten that the Pardoner role actually has some use :p I don't honestly think 4 votes will be enough to lynch you either.
thats why I asked for randombum to be voted on. I dont know if he's 100% innocent now but that doesn't matter, 3 or 4 votes wont be enough to lynch either of us.
I'll also still have my 6 votes tomorrow. Unless they role block me again, oh well
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Perhaps. They might roleblock randombum and attempt to vote you out, no? lol which would be stupid because then we'll know who the mafia is ha!
It is almost guaranteed. They will roleblock you again Ace. So 1) we cannot double lynch, 2) kill your voting power.
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they can roleblock me, it really doesn't matter. So far my voting power has had no impact on the game because the only voting we've had so far was on a 100% guilty party.
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Saboteur - The saboteur is a special mafia role, he may disable one players abilities once a day/night cycle (excluding the right to vote). Meaning he tells me this before day starts and I disable that player from using their special role the following day and night. You may not use this on the mayor election lynch and only the player whose abilities are disabled will be informed of the action. You may not use this role on the same person two consecutive day/nights in a row.
Ace being roleblocked won't be an issue.
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