EPT2) It's not much of a waste for them to hit veterans. They're going to have to hit them sooner or later to win, and it's not like town has more killing power the more people they have at any given time.
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2) It's not much of a waste for them to hit veterans. They're going to have to hit them sooner or later to win, and it's not like town has more killing power the more people they have at any given time. | ||
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On June 05 2008 11:01 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: I don't really have an argument as to why I shouldn't be suspected, but I'm not Mafia. I don't even understand why I'm being suspected to be honest, and I don't know why I'm Mafia on unsoundlogic's list. If there are clues that you think point to me, please tell me, but I'm 100% innocent. The most suspicious thing about you in my opinion is that you change your profile details like socks. At the beginning you would document that, but as people stopped paying attention, you stopped doing that. Obviously, that makes it much harder to pin any clues on you, if there are any. Just the thing that a mafioso would want to do, and therefore the thing that no townie should do. Your current profile could connect to the Wolf (crying wolf, pumping full of lead). I don't know whether you've had that profile all game. If suresh0t isn't the Wolf, you are probably my next suspect. FWIW, at the beginning of the game, you tossed around a bunch of accusations/suspicions, most of which have proven false. (wurm, nightmare, Ghar, Plexa, SoMuchBetter,fusionsdf). As for NemY, I don't know about him, although I find his posts suspicious, but the main clue that Camlito fingered him for is undeniable: Cottonmouth is the 15-weapon guy--that theme appears every time he kills someone. One time Mr. Blonde appears with him, and suddenly, Mr. Blonde is killing with 15 weapons too. If it's not NemY's mirror, then it's something else, but that has to be a clue. | ||
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On June 07 2008 02:29 Scorch wrote: As for the "L defends Bockit" story: I defended Bockit too in that regard, simply because mod powers aren't required to find the list. Just search for your own name, you'll easily find it too. Bockit might have found the list, but it could've been anyone else just as likely. This means that I wouldn't take L rising from the grave into account at all. Don't let this influence your opinion about Bockit, neither positively nor negatively. L defending Bockit is by far the strongest reason that I think he's Mafia. Yes, I know he was "defending the Mafia's honor"*, but put yourself in L's shoes: the game is coming down to the wire and the town is about to lynch an innocent suspect. Would you really rise from the grave to defend him? Or would you wait until after the game was over to set the record straight? I have a very hard time believing that L would go out of his way (and break the rules of the game) to help us avoid lynching an innocent. *(not to mention that using mod powers in the game is at worst a gray area, whereas Mandalor's telling someone about the list when he was dead (according to Plexa) is a definite infraction) | ||
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NemY suresh0t shallow ninja Puosu Reasons: NemY: mirror (Mr. Blonde's "mirror kills", particularly the 15-shot one: thanks Camlito); generally suspicious posting. suresh0t: (various clues pointing at the Wolf, although the last couple appearances have not pointed at him as much) shallow: (constant profile changes, a profile that currently may point at the Wolf) ninja: (Maybe Mr. Blonde, but I'm much less sure of that now, maybe California Mountain Snake, but we're tentatively pegging Bockit as CMS, so at the moment, I don't actually suspect ninja that much. If NemY is green, maybe a different story.) Puoso (rank speculation: perhaps his signature can be connected to Cottonmouth's collections) Just my tuppence: what does the town think? By the way, for anyone who wants it, the updated Mandalor list. 5/20 Mafia, if I counted right, so still one in four.+ Show Spoiler + ShaLLoW[baY] qrs ahrara_ ZBiR unsoundlogic BWdero Scorch nemY suresh0t Lysithea Artanis[Xp] Ninja4ever. SoleSteeler Jimtudor GranDim Alethios 0cz3c iNfuNdiBuLuM SoMuchBetter Camlito | ||
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On June 12 2008 01:19 suresh0t wrote: Dear qrs 1Please tell me how the wolfs last like 3 kills connect with me please. I want to know, because I've been trying to figure it out, and as of right now I got nothing. 2Oh well you also have Ninja on there and I still think he is innocent (because we were both attempted scapegoats for mafia members). 3I'm not so sure about nemy, I could go either way. He is definitely the strongest suspect I think on your list. 4Shallow is just suspect on his changing profile and we don't know how Chuiu works, if he uses current profile or if he just uses the original. Or rather I don't know, I probably shouldn't speak for everyone. 5Puosu another one I don't know or haven't thought of. 6I think you may have 1 maximum 2 reds in there, I know I'm green and I still don't know how people are connecting me with mafia. Love Yours Truly, Suresh0t xoxo 1) I admitted that the last couple of kills didn't seem to point to you particularly. That's why you didn't top the list. Still, I don't think the Wolf has missed yet. You got a better suspect? 2) I also think ninja is innocent at this point, but if nemY is not Mr. Blonde or if Bockit was not CMS, he's still a possibility. 3) Me too; that's why I put him first. 4) Yeah. 5) Bit of a shot in the dark there, but couldn't find anyone better for Cottonmouth. No one else has either. 6) Look, it's not like any of the old clues went away all of a sudden. I guess we'll know more the next time we see the Wolf. | ||
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even if I were mafia, which I'm not, it would not be beneficial for you, as my fellow townies, to kill me. I would clearly have been the least active mafia in the entire game. | ||
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On June 18 2008 04:42 randombum wrote: That's stupid. It was town's great clue analysis (or more accurately, the analysis of a few hero townies) that allowed town to start hitting Mafia 75% of the time, not the game being stacked. Of course, that part of the game is up to the town: Mafia cannot control that part, except by killing townies who are good at analysis, and not killing suspects. (The Mafia hasn't been doing so well with that: I remember a whole bunch of times when suspects were cleared by being killed by the Mafia.) You could have used a pardon yourself, and extended the Mafia's life. Obviously if the town is super-accurate the numbers will be "stacked towards town"--otherwise, how could the town ever win?I'll just say this since I am dead, but the numbers are stacked towards town. (number of days it would take mafia to kill town/win under BEST conditions vs number of days it took town to start getting mafia 75% of the time) | ||
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On June 22 2008 04:15 suresh0t wrote: Plexa made it clear I'm not the Wolf Stop saying that: it's irrelevant. Plexa is not God. | ||
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On June 23 2008 20:42 Wysp wrote: btw, all this came to light AFTER PLEXA'S death. Actually, that's not true. | ||
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On June 24 2008 03:40 suresh0t wrote: If anyone thought that, they don't think so now. The electronic guy was d.arkive.I was thought to be tied to the electronic guy who sabotaged everything because i had a toolbox in my picture The nails go with the picture and that is linked to cottonmouth or the Wolf: both appeared in that scene, and the Wolf made the kill with the nails. OTOH, Cottonmouth seems to have a theme of using various collections of random weapons, so at this point, I tend to agree that the nails don't point at you. and then there is the accuracy of the wolf. And to add some that you haven't mentioned: The Wolf's apologeticness/reluctance to kill Chuiu and possibly LostRomantic connects with your signature. The Wolf's carrying a pile of debris out of a building may mean that he works in construction, connecting with your pic (I know it's weak, but do we have another explanation for the pile of debris?) So we have all these clues spread out on different mafia like multiple greens we lynched in the beginning and now we are reverting back to it after all the "leadership" is dead. You keep setting up these straw men. No one is saying you are anyone but the Wolf. "Clues" that point to a different mafioso are irrelevant.So GG it's been fun GG | ||
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On June 24 2008 12:30 suresh0t wrote: qrs you must feel good hehe Sure. Although I can't say it came as a huge surprise. On June 24 2008 12:48 nemY wrote: You were both Mafia. I can't vote for two people, eh?QRS (LOL YOU'RE SO FUCKING RETARDED, SAYING SURESH0T IS MAFIA AND VOTING FOR ME LOL) | ||
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On June 26 2008 21:20 araav wrote: qrs, what exactly we have against nemY? In terms of actual clues, the main piece of evidence is Camlito's connection of Mr. Blonde to a mirror (link). Not all of it was compelling, but I found this one pretty convincing: Camlito wrote: Specifically, Cottonmouth has been the only one killing with 15 weapons a night--until Mr. Blonde shows up with him.Clue 5: Mr. Blonde and Cottonmouth were at AmorVincitOmnia's convenience store right before closing. They wanted everyones attention right away so Mr. Blonde charged through the front door, a move that shattered all the windows. Inside AmorVincitOmnia was cashing Alventenie's purchase and they both immediately looked at Mr. Blonde shocked at what just happened. Both Mr. Blonde and Cottonmouth ran towards them and stabbed each of them through the shoulders with a knife. Mr. Blonde had AmorVincitOmnia pinned up against a wall and Cottonmouth had Alventenie on another. AmorVincitOmnia pushed and shoved and tried to get free but Mr. Blonde stabbed three more knives into each arm and three into each leg. Then to finish him off he stabbed two more into AmorVincitOmnia's chest. Alventenie already exhausted from the day he had put up little resistance as Cottonmouth stabbed three knives in his other arm and each leg. Then stabbed five more in the shape of a pentagon and finally killed off Alventenie. Ok this one is too obvious, they are mirroring each others' movements and style as if it's planned out. To that, I'll add a weaker clue: Mr. Blonde's whole "out of nowhere" theme that some were connecting with Ninja early on may connect with nemY's profile quote ("~But I don't know where you are now~"). Circumstantial evidence: Camlito was killed soon after he presented his nemY theory. We know that the Mafia likes to kill the good clue-analysts (for good reason). Was Camlito getting too close to the truth? And finally, this wouldn't hold up in a court of law, but I just find nemY's posts suspicious. I know that he and suresh0t were at each other's throats near the end, but IMO that was just a desperate Mafia ploy. Split the camps, like Jacob in the Bible: And it shall be that if the townies fall upon one mafioso and smite him that the other mafioso shall be for a remnant. | ||
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On June 27 2008 01:48 araav wrote: qrs, that really may be him, but given an active townie (at least nemY votes) and an inactive (str), I'd go after str. araav, I don't see what you mean. nemY may be town or he may be Mafia. If he is town, his vote helps the town insofar as it can cancel out one mafia vote. If he is mafia, his vote hurts the town to the same degree: it can cancel out one town vote. Moreover, since the mafia has perfect information whereas the town does not, a mafia vote is arguably more useful than a town vote (i.e. theoretically if it came down to the wire and the mafia was close to swaying the vote, an extra townie vote might help the town (if he voted for the right person), whereas an extra mafia vote would certainly help the mafia.) So I don't see why nemY's voting should make a difference. Wysp, I plan to vote for nemY next day (assuming continued health, naturally), unless you can give us a hint as to how this plan might work. Or if it's dangerous to post it in the thread, you can PM me. Or if you don't trust me, that's OK, but don't expect me to trust the plan either.  | ||
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On June 27 2008 02:57 Wysp wrote: On another note: I'd just ignore most of what qrs is says. He's been a cunt and a shit disturber most of the game. Oh, have I? I've refused to take things on faith; that's true enough. I've been right some of the time and wrong some of the time. I've been active throughout the game, unlike you. I won't stoop to insulting you back, but keep your foul language to yourself, please, or at least out of the thread. | ||
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On June 27 2008 13:29 Wysp wrote: this is the cuntish shit disturbing I'm talking about. I'm a confirmed townie, and despite your best efforts mafia have been hung. If I tell you shit (because YOU aren't confirmed,) the operation could very well go foul. If I publicly announce it, it goes foul 100%. Use your brain. You consistantly try to lead people to the worse choice. Do I think its because you're mafia? Not necessarily, you could just be 'dull' (sugar coated enough?) Oh can it, Wysp. "Despite my best efforts?" "Consistently try to lead people to the worst choice?" You mean like trying to get them to vote for suresh0t for about 10 days in a row? Or you mean like trying to stop them from voting for wurm when he was a possible medic and not a confirmed mafioso? Or like pointing out when MTF was on the wrong track with Cottonmouth's numbers? Heck, I don't need to defend myself from you. You've done nothing all game but hide underground. Finally at the end of the game you step out as someone else's mouthpiece and you think that that makes you a bigshot. When you do say something that you come up with yourself, you get your facts wrong. Go ahead and back up something you say: about me, about nemY, I don't care. Show that my posts have consistently been advocating the wrong choice. Or show that nemY is a townie. Or, if you can't do any of that, just stuff it. | ||
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