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On February 12 2008 14:01 Tracil wrote: words. people are voting me because i'm ten times the mayor you are only the fools are voting against me | ||
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i'll clean this piece of town up. i'll clean it the fuck up right quick | ||
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a vote for tracil is a vote for organized crime! all you people voting for Tracil change your vote immediately | ||
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someone running for mayor is mafia | ||
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obviously i wanted to be mafia when this started but i got shafted with a towny position, so now i'm trying to kill all the mafia if i was mafia i would more likely fly under the radar as is expected of me | ||
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if i was mafia none of you would ever see it coming | ||
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you clean the town up, thats all there is to it. if tracil is mafia like i think he is hes got a lot of power as pardoner, nice job idiots! quite a dilemma we have here | ||
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that is not to say you will not be my last | ||
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On February 13 2008 12:18 Tracil wrote: As pardoner, I intend to be mean and nasty and not let anyone off the hook. We're here to kill people in a display of ruthless mob violence, not let them live! Who am I to stand in the way of a large group of angry dudes with torches, pitchforks, and rope? If you think I'm being reckless, then consider this: If I pardoned someone you were voting for, would you not be *more* pissed off? We're a democracy, after all~ Only reason I'd pardon someone is if I become convinced the mayor is scum and abusing his extra votes, which I will have made abundantly clear before I do so. <-> As an aside, saying 'As mayor, I'll CLEAN UP' is not a policy, it's your goal. Do you have any plan at all? don't question me | ||
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if one of the other candidates is a mobster then he wouldn't want me, a good person, to win, should he himself be a mobster i did it for closure | ||
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in order to win, mafia people will have to argue against their fellows being lynched however, if i'm completely willing to lynch everyone who defies me, where do we go from here? this is but one part of how i will treat the role of mayor, and the mafia have no idea how to act. i am looking for signs that are known only to me. | ||
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i know i'm not mafia, how the hell do i know YOU aren't? | ||
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good luck figuring them out | ||
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On February 13 2008 12:55 LTT wrote: Lynching is during the day. the townies won't kill me | ||
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im not mafia by the way | ||
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If there's one thing that's true right now, its that only the mafia know i'm not in the mafia. we'll see what that means later on | ||
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if only the mafia know i'm in the mafia, then by an erratic action we see who opposes me heavily some mafia members will oppose me as a front, knowing i'm not in the mafia. other citizens will accuse me, without being in the mafia themselves. this is the fastest and most efficient way to guage where peoples' thoughts are. everything is evidence and as it accumulates it becomes more useful | ||
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On February 13 2008 15:39 GeneralStan wrote: That's ridiculous. Claiming anybody who opposes you is a Mafioso is straight out of a dictatorship. After all of your opponents gone, there will be nobody left to question your excesses, whatever your goal may be. not everyone who opposes me is mafia but now i have the beginning of putting names to roles, because it is a gaurantee that some of the people who oppose me are mafia | ||
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On February 13 2008 15:42 Tracil wrote: Look, if you're telling the truth, I think that's still dangerous. 1) If you're not mafia, then you lead both citizens to accuse you, and it becomes possible for the actual mafia to use you as a scapegoat. You basically serve yourself up on a platter. 2) This actually sets a bad precedent, where this excuse becomes somewhat legitimate. For instance, if a mafia slips up, he can then argue that he likewise took a rash action to see 'who opposed and who didn't oppose me'. Also, you may have slipped up by saying 'if only the mafia know i'm in the mafia'. You meant 'not' in the mafia. These little tells may seem inconsequential. However, as I've said before, it's far more likely an actual mafioso makes a 'small' mistake like that than a townie. So. Yeah. I can understand, however, that a townie may think this is a strong opening strategy, and this has actually gone some way in lessening my suspicion. I wouldn't accept this out of someone who had claimed to play mafia in the past, for instance. i didn't slip up, my post is unedited and reads 'only the mafia know i'm not in the mafia' 'not in the mafia' | ||
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what's wrong with that? the mafia know who each other are, so only they know for sure that i'm not in the mafia this instantly casts doubt on anyone who opposes me, which increases my own safety | ||
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yeah im not in the mafia and the reasoning for killing whatshisface is sufficiently explained i have methods and madness, if no one can figure out which is which, i'm a lot more powerful | ||
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if you kill me and i'm mafia, you become a target and will surely fall if you kill me and i'm not mafia, you are a massive idiot and lose not only your credibility but an exceedingly cunning ally | ||
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On February 13 2008 15:55 GeneralStan wrote: To break down your argument: 1) I'm not a Mafioso because I say I'm not 2) The Mafia would come out in force and denounce you if you weren't mafio 3) Therefore everybody who opposes you is a Mafia. The problem is all we're hanging on is your word that you're not a Mafia to give you power to squelch anybody who speaks against you? And you haven't given a reason about why you killed him. A shock test is hardly a reasonable reason to kill somebody, and the fact that he was your detractor just makes you look even slimier. numbers 2 and 3 are incorrect. some of the people who denounce me are mafia. focusing on them first gives me a smaller sample size to work with for my first cleanups, which increases my chance of success. not everyone who opposes me is mafia, but it is a guarantee that some of the people opposing me are. instead of working with 70+ people, i'm now working with a much smaller group, and it will be much easier to weed out the gangsters from that group. | ||
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the townies still have no idea whether or not i'm in the mafia, but the mafia know for sure. Killing me is a no-win situation if you don't know for sure whether or not i'm a mobster. however, killing other mob members benefits you no matter what tell me which one sounds like a better use of our time | ||
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how can you kill me when its clear that you have no solid idea whether or not i'm in the mafia? the only way you could possibly know for sure is if you're in the mafia yourself, and if i die and am innocent, you're outed | ||
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On February 13 2008 16:20 Tracil wrote: What? We don't know for sure whether or not you're a mobster. However, that does not make killing you a no-win situation, because you may still be one. And, as usual, this is a position that can be attributed to any lynch ever pretty much (we're not SURE he's mafia. We're virtually never going to be 100% sure.) <-> A lot of people, particularly the accused, say "But if you kill me and I'm NOT mafia, then you look like a moron. I would put it to you that it's the accused who have done stupid things that make them look like mafia. In part, they are responsible for their own image. Do not let people saying 'but if you lynch me, you might die/look like an idiot/the sky might fall on you' and arguments such as those dissuade you. These are not rebuttals, but appeals to pride and fear. you don't understand - if you kill me, there is no mayor, and that means the extra voting power is gone on top of that, there aren't many with the influence and guile that i possess. losing me as your mayor would hurt your cause immensely. you can't kill me on a loose suspicion. | ||
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On February 13 2008 16:37 Tracil wrote: Steve, if you plan to use double lynches every day until you run out, I would be far more hesitant about accusing you and depriving town of that power; I already am, really, but I'm going to say what I think anyway. To wit, you have not stated any particular course of action you intend to take with them. <-> Dr. Dragoon... seriously. How can I come to any conclusion but 'one of Dragoon and Shallow is scum'? If you flip town, I fully intend to persue Shallow. But... well. That puts it best, really, as to why I think you're a better bet than Shallow. Man, think about how you'd react if it was someone else in that PM box. Someone you didn't know for sure was an alignment either way. I would have had a lot more respect for your arguments if they weren't punctuated with insults. you don't need to know when i'll use the double lynches rest assured i'll use them appropriately to accomplish my own goals, but as long as you don't know what those goals are i'm unkillable the only people who do know for sure what those goals are, are mafia | ||
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On February 13 2008 16:49 Tracil wrote: Wait. Your goals are secret. Townies do not know your goals. However, the mafia does. Uh, the only reason the mafia would know what your goals are and townies wouldn't would be.. because.. you.. are.. mafia and colluding with them. Also, should your goals not be the same as everyone elses, i.e. *killing scum*? 'Unkillable' my ass, I'm voting for you as soon as day breaks. It's not worth leaving you in a position of power if you're going to rely entirely on your rank to keep you above the rope, and then rely on voodoo bullshit 'secret' plans to supposedly out the mafia. The reason the mafia know my goals is that they know whether or not I'm mafia. Therefore, they know who I'm trying to kill. This is an inevitable truth. If I'm not in the mafia, they know I'm trying to kill them. This ambiguity serves as a way to keep my methods of discovering them secret, as well as preserving my own hide. I don't know who is who, but the mafia do. But, I have a plan to find out, and this is part of it. | ||
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So, despite that, you'll vote for me to be lynched as soon as possible. You shouldn't have any idea where my alliegance lies... unless you know something I don't. Considering what I've said, what does that mean? Ladies and gentlemen, do we have our first mobster on our hands? | ||
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nobody is going to get fucking banned for trying to kill a moderator in this game | ||
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On February 16 2008 16:18 Tracil wrote: I likewise Vote Dr.Dragoon to be lynched. I can reiterate the general argument again (for the millionth time, it feels like), which is that one of he or Shallow is likely lying due to the screenshot. I don't really have much more to add that I haven't said in previous posts, here. I also believe FakeSteve should declare a double lynch. The town deciding on more kills is good, and gives us a chance to catch up to the mafia, both in terms of numbers and in terms of information. do you think removing both of them is a good idea because at least one is mafia? is that what you're saying? | ||
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i'll withhold my vote for now, but feel free to try to convince me to use a double lynch. i'll vote for the secondary target with my 4 votes. | ||
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i will exercise the use of one of my double lynches and vote for rtsnightmare (i cant be bothered to look up how those brackets work) with these two dead, townie or mafia, we have the beginning of the end of the mob. if they're both townies, then we know we have some work to do | ||
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there are a lot of accusations flying around, so we'll see whether they're concrete or not. we'll see by slaughtering them mindlessly. | ||
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On February 17 2008 05:38 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: overwhelming evidence against me? hahaha, all i saw was 2 votes. Anyway, how long until day ends? at least i can contribute a bit i said support, not evidence | ||
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you're gonna die, nightmare | ||
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On February 17 2008 06:21 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: You do sound really suspicious FS. Instead of threatening me why dont you find evidence about you NOT being a mafia? just because "you know you're not"? whether or not i'm mafia is inconsequential. i'm not gonna die. | ||
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this is the law i am setting as mayor and i have many deputies that are not even in the game WE ARE WATCHING /moderator | ||
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On February 19 2008 01:35 Romance_us wrote: It makes the most logical sense to me that the people talking the MOST and stirring shit up are the most likely to be suspects. They have already edged us on to lynching two innocent people in one night. I certainly do not trust TRACIL or fakesteve for that matter. And even if fakesteve is not mafioso, we clearly need a more level-headed mayor. He used one of his double-lynches to kill two innocent townies for Christ's sake! if you read the thread you'd know that i used a double lynch because it was asked for and i used it simply because people were freaking out personally i wasnt sure either of them were mafia but i figured i'd see how tracil and the others do at figuring things out. apparently not too well! | ||
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caller is one of the bodyguards, way to go retards lets lynch someone else | ||
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basically due to the ineptitude of you lot one of my bodyguards is fucked paramedics, save caller every night forever | ||
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you're either mafia or a moron, either way you're better off dead | ||
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that means you're either mafia and its a front. or you're a complete idiot. either way, you aren't gonna do any useful pardoning | ||
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everyone who says anything ever is mafia lynch them all!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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On February 21 2008 08:37 Tracil wrote: I find it highly suspicious that you have said this to basically everybody | ||
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On February 21 2008 08:51 Tracil wrote: Answer my question. Cease ignoring my actual points. Oh, encouraging people to be silent is pretty retarded, please don't do that. <-> When I talk in this game, it is, in fact, generally about who I find suspicious or would like to see lynched when it's not about how I think the game should be played. It should be no wonder that you see me accusing people and the like and almost nothing else. It's not like we're here to discuss cake. you find everyone suspicious you look at posts and then take what you need to call them mafia, but most of the people you're calling out have been innocent. i dont even want to post anything because it'll be picked apart by you and i really don't feel like having another 20 post back-and-forth that you will eventually concede | ||
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On February 21 2008 09:41 nemY wrote: FakeSteve and Caller are mafioso buds covering each other's butts. I change my votes for them! oh come on just cuz the sharks got rolled by the oilers you gotta hate? | ||
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On February 21 2008 13:37 Tracil wrote: The only circumstance in which I will pardon anyone, *as I said when I attained this rank*, is to prevent mayoral abuse. Therefore, I will pardon Live2Win *only* if FakeSteve votes for him and *only* if FakeSteve's extra votes would have pushed him into lynch territory. I, myself, will not be voting for Live2Win yet. But I'm curious; Live2Win, who did you protect on night 2? you couldn't tell the difference between your own ass and a hole in the ground, who are you to interfere with what i do | ||
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On February 21 2008 14:21 Live2Win wrote: the pardoner? His job description is to interfere with what you do, if he deems it wrong. competency ought to be a prerequisite | ||
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if you voted for him, change it | ||
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round and round we go if you hate fucking retards vote to lynch tracil and we can get on with the game without his overbearing, annoying presence | ||
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On February 21 2008 16:07 Live2Win wrote: No. As far as I can tell you're even more suspicious than he. Plus the alternative is my death. :p he's one of my bodyguards, don't be a fool why the hell would you want to kill a bodyguard if you're really a paramedic then you should protect him, and the other paramedic should secretly protect you | ||
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you guys really hate winning | ||
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since the three most voted for people this day are innocent this is not a trend that will reverse, all of you are stupid and doomed | ||
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no one who is not in the game is allowed to comment on it. next one is a temp ban, like i already said | ||
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On February 22 2008 07:47 CDRdude wrote: I change my vote from SoMuchBetter to FakeSteve. I don't even care if he's a townie, he's going to get us all killed the way he's going. FakeSteve, you have an overbearing, annoying presence. Even if Tracil is a mafia, at least we can put up with him because he doesn't swear at us, accuse us without reason, and insult us. (in the game) and leave us alone. oh please, i started calling you lot stupid AFTER you decided to put 3 innocent people at the top of your hit list. sorry about your feelings, but there's no denying that is about as stupid as it gets in this game. since we are fucked anyway you may all kill me, and hopefully when you've seen I'm innocent you'll agree that you're all about as clever as a pile of horse shit | ||
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its frustrating to watch all the innocent people die because of retardation, i didnt even really get a chance to figure very much out before i saw that there's no way the townies are gonna win though it goes against the spirit of the game i would much rather watch all of you fail just to see how you deal with it | ||
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i deliberately set myself up so that question couldn't be answered by anyone who wasn't in the mafia, but tracil just blindly careens off the cliff, clutching a manifesto written in crayon and titled "WHO THE BAD GUYS IS" | ||
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On February 22 2008 08:12 demonic_phate wrote: I did it cuz hes annoying as shit.... to fucking hell with him... [not related to the game] just fyi, speaking to me like this within the context of the game is perfectly acceptable and will never ever get you banned, nor will voting to lynch me. i'm in the game as much as the rest of you, and hell, i started it | ||
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On February 22 2008 09:11 Tracil wrote: words dr.dragoon was innocent | ||
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On February 22 2008 19:44 dinmsab wrote: My votes go to Fakesteve and SoMuchBetter. Sorry Fakesteve, I think you pose a more serious threat to us townies than the mafia. I dont quite get whats going on between you and tracil but I believe most of the time Tracil does make more sense than you do, well.. atleast most of the time he isnt that rude. : / If we do vote for a new mayor, i think its best if the mayor lets the townies decide when and on who shall he use his powers on instead of using it based on his own decisions. Whats the point of having a mayor when all he does is lynch his fellow townies for no good reason... We need a leader who we can trust and believe in.. and clearly fakesteve failed to fill that role : ) Goodbye Fakesteve, see you in the next mafia game. i don't lynch townies for no reason i had reasonable suspicion that the first guy i killed was mafia, and then i used a double lynch at the request of the other people | ||
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i think its just the two people with the most votes that get buttfucked | ||
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please explain how in hell double lynch works when i'm the one getting my ass reamed because a bunch of people are dumb as all hell | ||
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On February 23 2008 09:25 Tracil wrote: Bah, voting for FakeSteve is a fine and upstanding choice. It's voting for him- or ANYONE- in a oneliner "I vote for xyz" post with no qualification or clarification or explanation or ANYTHING and this is going to hurt town so bad. Hate all of you who don't actually discuss things. Hate so much. <-> Amber[Light], you can't state with absolute certainty that you know I'm town, unless you're scum. Sigh. Hate me taking this stance as well. HotZhot, Steve ISN'T coinciding with town's decisions. Him having extra votes is immaterial and not really a benefit for town, and in fact it's *harmful* if he's scum. What more do you want? uhhhh yes i am double lynch was requested last day so i used it both the people lynched were people the townies were voting for i fail to see how i havent done whats required of me. a double lynch was requested this day as well, lo and behold we have one | ||
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On February 23 2008 12:08 Live2Win wrote: If he was a mafia, how do you think he will use his double lynches? When we "idiots" vote and the two leading candidates to get lynched are both townies. That's when he'd use his double lynch. If the top ones were mafia and townie, would he use his double? No. i have used them by request both times not of my own accord | ||
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On February 23 2008 12:48 Romance_us wrote: Do you not realize how unbelievably weak of a leader that makes you? to act according to the wishes of the community makes a weak leader so what's a strong leader, stalin? | ||
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what sort of half-wit inbred piece of shit are you | ||
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i do what the town wants -> i'm weak fuck the town i do what i want -> i'm guilty how the fuck does that make any sense | ||
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On February 23 2008 11:50 Chuiu wrote: I've already stated this: no. They get two votes for two townies, then a third vote from their role for whoever they want. Anyway, here is the vote count ... Live2Win - 4 Folca infinity21 JeeJee clazziquai SoMuchBetter - 17 HotZhot ieatkids5 Falcynn(2) ulszz(2) Scooter Thirdeye1017(2) CDRdude(2) Aepplet(2) ZBiR(2) ZaplinG(2) chicken`(2) dinmsab(2) Romance_us(2) Amber[LighT] JeeJee(2) Tracil infinity21(2) Caller - 2 Eti307 Elder NotSorry - 7 goldenkrnboi nemY Falcynn ieatkids5(2) Amber[LighT](2) Unforgiven_ve(2) Tracil(2) Tracil - 10 FakeSteve[TPR] * 4 ZaplinG imDerek wurm Scooter(2) Thirdeye1017 dancefayedance!~(2) Mini Moose 2707 ulszz Amber[LighT] Alventenie FakeSteve[TPR] - 13 chicken` Romance_us Aepplet Live2Win Empyrean Vharox ZBiR Southlight CDRdude demonic_phate Elder dancefayedance!~ dinmsab Unforgiven_ve Elder nemY - 2 NotSorry wurm(2) chicken` Unforgiven_ve Empyrean NotSorry(2) wurm - 2 nemY(2) Live2Win(2) 34 of 54 possible voters accounted for. Night in a couple hours. | ||
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i'm fairly certain one of them is mafia and about 45% sure on the other | ||
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i'm voting for people i'm suspicious of but not certain, and also who don't have many votes there is little chance of them being lynched immediately but they know i'm watching | ||
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then i'll vote for notsorry to push his total over mine so i dont die | ||
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did i tell you or did i tell you?! [good luck townies, i'll be interested to see how this game plays out ] | ||
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i told you you guys were dead | ||
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