Team Liquid Mafia [gg]

On February 12 2008 14:01 Tracil wrote:
words.

On February 13 2008 12:18 Tracil wrote:
As pardoner, I intend to be mean and nasty and not let anyone off the hook. We're here to kill people in a display of ruthless mob violence, not let them live! Who am I to stand in the way of a large group of angry dudes with torches, pitchforks, and rope?

If you think I'm being reckless, then consider this: If I pardoned someone you were voting for, would you not be *more* pissed off? We're a democracy, after all~

Only reason I'd pardon someone is if I become convinced the mayor is scum and abusing his extra votes, which I will have made abundantly clear before I do so.

<->

As an aside, saying 'As mayor, I'll CLEAN UP' is not a policy, it's your goal. Do you have any plan at all?

On February 13 2008 12:55 LTT wrote:
Lynching is during the day.

On February 13 2008 15:39 GeneralStan wrote:
That's ridiculous. Claiming anybody who opposes you is a Mafioso is straight out of a dictatorship. After all of your opponents gone, there will be nobody left to question your excesses, whatever your goal may be.

On February 13 2008 15:42 Tracil wrote:
Look, if you're telling the truth, I think that's still dangerous.

1) If you're not mafia, then you lead both citizens to accuse you, and it becomes possible for the actual mafia to use you as a scapegoat. You basically serve yourself up on a platter.

2) This actually sets a bad precedent, where this excuse becomes somewhat legitimate. For instance, if a mafia slips up, he can then argue that he likewise took a rash action to see 'who opposed and who didn't oppose me'.

Also, you may have slipped up by saying 'if only the mafia know i'm in the mafia'. You meant 'not' in the mafia. These little tells may seem inconsequential. However, as I've said before, it's far more likely an actual mafioso makes a 'small' mistake like that than a townie.

So. Yeah. I can understand, however, that a townie may think this is a strong opening strategy, and this has actually gone some way in lessening my suspicion. I wouldn't accept this out of someone who had claimed to play mafia in the past, for instance.

On February 13 2008 15:55 GeneralStan wrote:
To break down your argument:
1) I'm not a Mafioso because I say I'm not
2) The Mafia would come out in force and denounce you if you weren't mafio
3) Therefore everybody who opposes you is a Mafia.

The problem is all we're hanging on is your word that you're not a Mafia to give you power to squelch anybody who speaks against you?

And you haven't given a reason about why you killed him. A shock test is hardly a reasonable reason to kill somebody, and the fact that he was your detractor just makes you look even slimier.

On February 13 2008 16:20 Tracil wrote:


What?

We don't know for sure whether or not you're a mobster. However, that does not make killing you a no-win situation, because you may still be one. And, as usual, this is a position that can be attributed to any lynch ever pretty much (we're not SURE he's mafia. We're virtually never going to be 100% sure.)

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A lot of people, particularly the accused, say "But if you kill me and I'm NOT mafia, then you look like a moron. I would put it to you that it's the accused who have done stupid things that make them look like mafia. In part, they are responsible for their own image.

Do not let people saying 'but if you lynch me, you might die/look like an idiot/the sky might fall on you' and arguments such as those dissuade you. These are not rebuttals, but appeals to pride and fear.

On February 13 2008 16:37 Tracil wrote:
Steve, if you plan to use double lynches every day until you run out, I would be far more hesitant about accusing you and depriving town of that power; I already am, really, but I'm going to say what I think anyway. To wit, you have not stated any particular course of action you intend to take with them.

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Dr. Dragoon... seriously. How can I come to any conclusion but 'one of Dragoon and Shallow is scum'? If you flip town, I fully intend to persue Shallow. But... well.



That puts it best, really, as to why I think you're a better bet than Shallow.

Man, think about how you'd react if it was someone else in that PM box. Someone you didn't know for sure was an alignment either way. I would have had a lot more respect for your arguments if they weren't punctuated with insults.

On February 13 2008 16:49 Tracil wrote:



Wait. Your goals are secret. Townies do not know your goals. However, the mafia does.

Uh, the only reason the mafia would know what your goals are and townies wouldn't would be.. because.. you.. are.. mafia and colluding with them.

Also, should your goals not be the same as everyone elses, i.e. *killing scum*?

'Unkillable' my ass, I'm voting for you as soon as day breaks. It's not worth leaving you in a position of power if you're going to rely entirely on your rank to keep you above the rope, and then rely on voodoo bullshit 'secret' plans to supposedly out the mafia.

On February 16 2008 16:18 Tracil wrote:
I likewise Vote Dr.Dragoon to be lynched. I can reiterate the general argument again (for the millionth time, it feels like), which is that one of he or Shallow is likely lying due to the screenshot. I don't really have much more to add that I haven't said in previous posts, here.

I also believe FakeSteve should declare a double lynch. The town deciding on more kills is good, and gives us a chance to catch up to the mafia, both in terms of numbers and in terms of information.

On February 17 2008 05:38 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
overwhelming evidence against me? hahaha, all i saw was 2 votes. Anyway, how long until day ends? at least i can contribute a bit

On February 17 2008 06:21 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
You do sound really suspicious FS. Instead of threatening me why dont you find evidence about you NOT being a mafia? just because "you know you're not"?

On February 19 2008 01:35 Romance_us wrote:
It makes the most logical sense to me that the people talking the MOST and stirring shit up are the most likely to be suspects. They have already edged us on to lynching two innocent people in one night. I certainly do not trust TRACIL or fakesteve for that matter.

And even if fakesteve is not mafioso, we clearly need a more level-headed mayor. He used one of his double-lynches to kill two innocent townies for Christ's sake!

On February 21 2008 08:37 Tracil wrote:
I find it highly suspicious that

On February 21 2008 08:51 Tracil wrote:
Answer my question. Cease ignoring my actual points. Oh, encouraging people to be silent is pretty retarded, please don't do that.

<->

When I talk in this game, it is, in fact, generally about who I find suspicious or would like to see lynched when it's not about how I think the game should be played. It should be no wonder that you see me accusing people and the like and almost nothing else. It's not like we're here to discuss cake.

On February 21 2008 09:41 nemY wrote:
FakeSteve and Caller are mafioso buds covering each other's butts. I change my votes for them!

On February 21 2008 13:37 Tracil wrote:
The only circumstance in which I will pardon anyone, *as I said when I attained this rank*, is to prevent mayoral abuse. Therefore, I will pardon Live2Win *only* if FakeSteve votes for him and *only* if FakeSteve's extra votes would have pushed him into lynch territory.

I, myself, will not be voting for Live2Win yet. But I'm curious; Live2Win, who did you protect on night 2?

On February 21 2008 14:21 Live2Win wrote:

the pardoner? His job description is to interfere with what you do, if he deems it wrong.

On February 21 2008 16:07 Live2Win wrote:

No. As far as I can tell you're even more suspicious than he.

Plus the alternative is my death. :p

On February 22 2008 07:40 ZBiR wrote:


You mean since the end of mayoral election?

On February 22 2008 07:47 CDRdude wrote:
I change my vote from SoMuchBetter to FakeSteve. I don't even care if he's a townie, he's going to get us all killed the way he's going.


FakeSteve, you have an overbearing, annoying presence. Even if Tracil is a mafia, at least we can put up with him because he doesn't swear at us, accuse us without reason, and insult us.
(in the game) and leave us alone.

On February 22 2008 08:12 demonic_phate wrote:

I did it cuz hes annoying as shit....
to fucking hell with him...

On February 22 2008 08:34 Southlight wrote:


Oh wait really? Shit, fuck.

On February 22 2008 09:11 Tracil wrote:
words

On February 22 2008 19:44 dinmsab wrote:
My votes go to Fakesteve and SoMuchBetter. Sorry Fakesteve, I think you pose a more serious threat to us townies than the mafia. I dont quite get whats going on between you and tracil but I believe most of the time Tracil does make more sense than you do, well.. atleast most of the time he isnt that rude. : / If we do vote for a new mayor, i think its best if the mayor lets the townies decide when and on who shall he use his powers on instead of using it based on his own decisions. Whats the point of having a mayor when all he does is lynch his fellow townies for no good reason...
We need a leader who we can trust and believe in.. and clearly fakesteve failed to fill that role : ) Goodbye Fakesteve, see you in the next mafia game.

On February 23 2008 09:25 Tracil wrote:
Bah, voting for FakeSteve is a fine and upstanding choice. It's voting for him- or ANYONE- in a oneliner "I vote for xyz" post with no qualification or clarification or explanation or ANYTHING and this is going to hurt town so bad.

Hate all of you who don't actually discuss things. Hate so much.

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Amber[Light], you can't state with absolute certainty that you know I'm town, unless you're scum. Sigh. Hate me taking this stance as well.

HotZhot, Steve ISN'T coinciding with town's decisions. Him having extra votes is immaterial and not really a benefit for town, and in fact it's *harmful* if he's scum. What more do you want?

On February 23 2008 12:08 Live2Win wrote:
If he was a mafia, how do you think he will use his double lynches?

When we "idiots" vote and the two leading candidates to get lynched are both townies. That's when he'd use his double lynch. If the top ones were mafia and townie, would he use his double? No.

On February 23 2008 12:48 Romance_us wrote:


Do you not realize how unbelievably weak of a leader that makes you?

On February 23 2008 11:50 Chuiu wrote:

I've already stated this: no. They get two votes for two townies, then a third vote from their role for whoever they want. Anyway, here is the vote count ...

Live2Win - 4
Folca
infinity21
JeeJee
clazziquai

SoMuchBetter - 17
HotZhot
ieatkids5
Falcynn(2)
ulszz(2)
Scooter
Thirdeye1017(2)
CDRdude(2)
Aepplet(2)
ZBiR(2)
ZaplinG(2)
chicken`(2)
dinmsab(2)
Romance_us(2)
Amber[LighT]
JeeJee(2)
Tracil
infinity21(2)

Caller - 2
Eti307
Elder

NotSorry - 7
goldenkrnboi
nemY
Falcynn
ieatkids5(2)
Amber[LighT](2)
Unforgiven_ve(2)
Tracil(2)

Tracil - 10
FakeSteve[TPR] * 4
ZaplinG
imDerek
wurm
Scooter(2)
Thirdeye1017
dancefayedance!~(2)

Mini Moose 2707
ulszz

Amber[LighT]
Alventenie

FakeSteve[TPR] - 13
chicken`
Romance_us
Aepplet
Live2Win
Empyrean
Vharox
ZBiR
Southlight
CDRdude
demonic_phate
Elder
dancefayedance!~
dinmsab

Unforgiven_ve
Elder

nemY - 2
NotSorry
wurm(2)

chicken`
Unforgiven_ve

Empyrean
NotSorry(2)

wurm - 2
nemY(2)
Live2Win(2)

34 of 54 possible voters accounted for. Night in a couple hours.