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I’m just not reading the op tbh
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On June 07 2024 11:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:I don't think there are really that many advantages, unless the situation is very specific. It's just fun to talk privately with someone. 
Nah masons town favored
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On June 07 2024 11:14 scott31337 wrote:
Four for four for you Oats?
Why do you say so?
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On June 07 2024 11:20 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 11:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 07 2024 11:14 scott31337 wrote:
Four for four for you Oats? Why do you say so? Why wouldn't you want to read the OP?
Someone will tell me when I’m wrong
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Trfel spending time and energy to fence sit seems townie to me, I don’t really like how rayn has approached today tbh the buddying trfel smells not good
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I’m not really sure what mocsta and Kelsier are dancing around with but they reallly should give thoughts on trfel and rayn
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Also everyone else is so boring
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On June 07 2024 20:16 Trfel wrote:
Hiya Oatsmaster. Curious if you see what I'm saying about Kelsi3r? Like am I making any sense?
Not really I don’t think it’s absurd to townread someone off a point they made on someone else even if that point isn’t good
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On June 07 2024 20:33 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 20:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 07 2024 20:16 Trfel wrote:
Hiya Oatsmaster. Curious if you see what I'm saying about Kelsi3r? Like am I making any sense? Not really I don’t think it’s absurd to townread someone off a point they made on someone else even if that point isn’t good I guess I should clarify that I don't think this itself is too unreasonable, as long as they have a sensible explanation. The part about rsoultin sticks out the most to me. But we can wait and see what happens.
I don’t get what you hope to achieve tbh, what about rsoul is like even worth a question
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On June 07 2024 22:04 marvellosity wrote:
Happy Friday!
Happy Friday!
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On June 07 2024 22:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 22:23 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2024 15:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 07 2024 15:47 AlphaZero wrote:On June 07 2024 14:58 Trfel wrote:
Okay so it was the former. Still though I have a hard time understanding Oatsmaster's posts..... Idk maybe he's just town because his posting looks really awful but I don't think he would do that as mafia because he knows better and can do better? Which is a pretty darn stupid argument but it's the best I have? On June 07 2024 15:03 Trfel wrote:
Like the part I don't get most is that he really really really didn't interact with anyone or get involved. Even when I tried to draw him out a bit. Why come and post in a way that's not productive or interactive? It just looks bad. Which is actually why I think he may be town because of it, it's kinda wifom, but mafia generally isn't going to make themselves look bad for no reason. I think he might be town and just not care that much. I agree with this analysis, but I don't see how this can co-exist with Trfel finding Vivax's vibe read on oats as weird. To me, this is a protracted version of the same read. I'm interested to see what you think of Vivax's read now trfel. yes, agreed. I think i know who you are. Sharing is pro town Thinking HF.
It’s not
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On June 07 2024 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Im not quite sure what to make of Oats disliking me based on "buddying trfel", since i was not really doing that and it has been my MO since we started these Grack games.. i mean like if you look at last game, i was "buddying" oats ins similar way to the last hour of D1.
Didnt read kelsier/mocsta yet, will address that later when i am done with yard work for today.
Last hour of d1 vs first hour of day 1 is very different.
You also didn’t buddy me in the game I got lynched day 1 and I don’t remember you buddying me in the other game either lol
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On June 07 2024 23:05 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 23:03 sandroba wrote:
Trfel so far seems overly friendly and lighthearted in his tone, and employing an overuse of smiley faces which should definitely be criminalized in this town. It's different from the past 2 games we played where he was town. There needs to be a next step in this analysis. As anyone can see what you’re saying.
Is that Sandro’s only post so far
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On June 07 2024 23:11 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 13:32 AlphaZero wrote:On June 07 2024 12:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you think of the situation regarding you scott?
Do you get Alpha's argument? It’s pretty enjoyable to be called alpha. Also accurate. 😉 Is Alpha a known smurf? This post reads like something palmar would post.
No he wouldn’t
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On June 07 2024 23:17 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 23:08 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2024 23:07 Mocsta wrote:On June 07 2024 23:01 AlphaZero wrote:
I think there is a very good chance mocsta is mafia.
There is a lot of bluster and attacking players which on the surface could look town aligned , but it doesn’t seem like he is genuinely trying to determine alignments to me. Lol Talk about gaslighting Call me mafia and ignore *my* questions to elucidate Wonder who is more likely to gaslight between town and mafia..... That’s not what gaslighting is off topic but it is in the basis of telling me I'm wrong and then I ask for more saying I'm too stupid to get it or lazy or whatever I much prefer his tone on most recent post since this so don't intend to talk about this comment any further. Just sought to stand my ground on a topic that matters in real life. No worries if you still disagree.
Is your top scum read still kelseir
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On June 08 2024 00:06 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 23:49 sandroba wrote:
Mocsta, what are the townie things about scott that are giving you mixed feelings? that's a fair pull up Mixed was a poor word choice for being in the middle/neutral Certainly I don't view his early game as scummy as what others have pointed out. I get setup talk is more.often scum yet this game does have unusual setup and in my mind that balances out. The rain agreement to me is also a minor point. Yes perhaps he is scum and just seeking to bullshit and close discussion or could equally have wanted a reputable opinion of a whisperer I concede if he is not a whisperer than it's not in his favourz and by odds that 12 of 13 or what ever headcount is.. so I can see after this response I'm.stixking up for a very very low chance outcome His end of filter I was surprised by.. I thought he shifted away from mason. So basically I don't have a town tell as I was too hedged on alternative worlds where could just be a whisperer which is too low odds to assume a defense point
Can you answer Marvs question
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On June 08 2024 00:12 Vivax wrote:
Of course scott could also be blue so he‘d be more cautious in the fights he picks and come across as evasive.
I‘d be ok with him or Kelsier as of now. Willing to see what marv, rayn sandro cook up.
What about me
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On June 08 2024 00:17 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 00:14 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 00:12 Vivax wrote:
Of course scott could also be blue so he‘d be more cautious in the fights he picks and come across as evasive.
I‘d be ok with him or Kelsier as of now. Willing to see what marv, rayn sandro cook up. What about me You‘re a townread. Probably that somehow bothers you because you don‘t want to be so easily read after the burn of last game so you prefer to act uncooperatively for shits and giggles.
No I meant about solving the game
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On June 08 2024 00:29 marvellosity wrote:
Also, are we not claiming who is whispered with who?
I bet it’s mafia and they are scared
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On June 08 2024 01:14 Vivax wrote:
I can‘t figure out who AZ is but after going over him and a few other filters I think town.
I‘m mostly at where marv is in places Slam DMB null.
My fav pile to look into would be scott/Kelsier as previously stated but I‘d like to add rsoultin to the mix.
[b]##vote vivax
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Rsoul what’s the Sandro scum read?
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On June 08 2024 02:41 rsoultin wrote:hello oats how ya doing, just explained it up above, or i could use the word 'vibes' namely that he seemed like he was being all reasonable and shit but then his filter was very blah and focused scott who got the most flack from the beginning. very unexciting from a player i remember being good also i'm going to try not to read into preflip associations but note to self if sandro's scum this out of the blue poke from oats could be a scummate woot woot wouldn't it be cool if i found two already? \o/ sandy first
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On June 08 2024 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 05:00 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 02:41 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 02:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Rsoul what’s the Sandro scum read? hello oats how ya doing, just explained it up above, or i could use the word 'vibes' namely that he seemed like he was being all reasonable and shit but then his filter was very blah and focused scott who got the most flack from the beginning. very unexciting from a player i remember being good also i'm going to try not to read into preflip associations but note to self if sandro's scum this out of the blue poke from oats could be a scummate woot woot wouldn't it be cool if i found two already? \o/ sandy first ???? why are you so surprised?
The read is “Sandro’s filter is boring”
That’s not a real read
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Idc about the rest of the stuff it’s just fluff
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Kel is very defensive over nothing burger from trfel, can’t tell if it’s playing feigned outrage or real outrage
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On June 08 2024 05:06 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 05:00 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 02:41 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 02:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Rsoul what’s the Sandro scum read? hello oats how ya doing, just explained it up above, or i could use the word 'vibes' namely that he seemed like he was being all reasonable and shit but then his filter was very blah and focused scott who got the most flack from the beginning. very unexciting from a player i remember being good also i'm going to try not to read into preflip associations but note to self if sandro's scum this out of the blue poke from oats could be a scummate woot woot wouldn't it be cool if i found two already? \o/ sandy first ???? why are you so surprised? The read is “Sandro’s filter is boring” That’s not a real read
+ she just spams Sandro mafia lynch Sandro with me when he’s literally in the thread
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I think vivax is easily mafia here though, he’s playing super scared to make posts and has resorted to posting inane townreads
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On June 08 2024 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 05:07 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 05:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 05:00 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 02:41 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 02:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Rsoul what’s the Sandro scum read? hello oats how ya doing, just explained it up above, or i could use the word 'vibes' namely that he seemed like he was being all reasonable and shit but then his filter was very blah and focused scott who got the most flack from the beginning. very unexciting from a player i remember being good also i'm going to try not to read into preflip associations but note to self if sandro's scum this out of the blue poke from oats could be a scummate woot woot wouldn't it be cool if i found two already? \o/ sandy first ???? why are you so surprised? The read is “Sandro’s filter is boring” That’s not a real read + she just spams Sandro mafia lynch Sandro with me when he’s literally in the thread so wait, you think rsoultin is mafia? because of what exactly?
Can you let me play or what
What’s your vivax read
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Unfortunately this is the last post I’m gonna make for a while
Sandro looks fine marv is eh I would like kelsier to make a scum read and I’d like trfel and mocsta to make readable posts please
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On June 08 2024 05:35 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 03:09 Trfel wrote:Worst List Post of All TimeTownMaybe Townrsoultin + Show Spoiler +It's very easy to follow her thought process. raynpelikoneet + Show Spoiler +Raynpelikoneet is generally helpful, but in this game, he's shown original/unique thought, as opposed to just "normal" lines of reasoning. Mocsta + Show Spoiler +This is a dangerous read since I'm having a bit of a hard time understanding what Mocsta is getting at sometimes and I don't have the focus to try and wade through it and actually figure it out, but I still like how Mocsta is very willing to go against the thread sentiment. Mafia can imitate this but I think it's much less likely. Oatsmaster + Show Spoiler +Oatsmaster's posting has trended towards my expectations for him, as described here. Unfortunately, I have no idea what that means with regards to Oatsmaster's alignment. Congratulations on wasting your time reading this scott31337 + Show Spoiler +Made you look die_meatbaby sandroba marvellosity + Show Spoiler +I dunno. Really like his posting style, funniest person in the game by far. But I don't actually like this thoughts all that much, which makes me sad  Specifically the post on rsoultin that raynpelikoneet just quoted, I was going to say the same thing. It's very easy to point fingers and say "that person hasn't done anything yet!" when the person in question was only present for the first four and a half pages of the game, when there isn't that much to be done. It's hard for me to understand how marvellosity (of all people) could completely miss this. Feels like taking a cheap shot to discredit someone and make yourself look better. Vivax + Show Spoiler +He hasn't really made much of an impression to me yet, to be honest. AlphaZero + Show Spoiler +Not sure. Opening posts seem quite reasonable, but I have a much harder time following the thinking after. Alakaslam + Show Spoiler +On June 08 2024 02:27 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 22:47 Alakaslam wrote:
Hijole how did I forget this
My work, my work! Don't post too much!
I shall return
When I come back, I expect to see much vote alakaslam based on this... but I can do no different! Uh, maybe I'm falling into the Chezinu trap with Alakaslam, but I actually think this is suspicious? Like, forgetting about the game or going to work or not posting isn't suspicious at all. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Also, Alakaslam is one of those people who likes to post as mafia, so him not posting isn't a mafia indicator IMO regardless. What is suspicious is the self awareness. Specifically I am looking at a few games ago, it was a Grackaroni game where he invited everyone to the Discord server and Alakaslam was one of the first three people to join. So when three people joined, he thought that was the mafia Discord server and that he was mafia with them, and he said something like "I can't play for a few hours so go ahead and bus me for a while" which IMO doesn't make much sense, who pushes someone for being away for a few hours? But it shows that Alakaslam is exceptionally self-aware/self-conscious as mafia, particularly about activity levels. Unfortunately I can't say that Alakaslam isn't like this as town. I haven't seen anything to indicate that he has this mindset as town, but it's still possible. Regardless though I think it's worth keeping in mind. Kelsi3r + Show Spoiler +I admit that I struggled a bit to understand Kelsi3r and Mocsta's discussion but my initial point still stands. On June 07 2024 19:27 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 16:44 Kelsi3r wrote:
I enjoyed Alpha Zero pointing out that scott had basically answered his own question and giving it a red flag. I love shit like that.
What does it say about scott? I don't know
But rsoutlin also liked it so I guess I like Alpha and rsoultin at this early stage.
Trefl and rayn were posting a lot and having a discussion, i've always been a sucker for activity = town . But ngl I didn't read a lot of the posts and sort of glazed over.
That's an ok starting point.
Yeah idk. The more I think about this (plus his previous post where he says he doesn't like Vivax) the more I am suspicious. If Kelsi3r doesn't know what AlphaZero's point about scott31337 means with regards to scott31337's alignment, that should lead to there being less reason to townread AlphaZero (and also anyone else) for this reasoning, no? Of course you don't always have to agree with someone's reasoning to think it makes them look towny, but it certainly helps. Furthermore, I could understand it better if he just said that it made AlphaZero look better, since they were the first to clearly lay out that line of thinking. But to add on that rsoultin looks good, purely for agreeing, when Kelsi3r himself doesn't even know if the point means anything for scott31337's alignment? Seems out of place. And to add, the only person he said he didn't like, Vivax, also commented on this kind of idea. Vivax didn't put scott31337's posts in contrast like AlphaZero did, but he (rightfully) pointed out that one of scott31337's posts in question didn't make a ton of sense. It wasn't exactly the same idea, but it was somewhat similar, and this was (presumably) enough to make AlphaZero say that Vivax looks town. Kelsi3r seems to have ignored this entirely, however? New top suspect, I think. Idk, am I being too stubborn? I legitimately think that Kelsi3r is a valid suspect, and he hasn't done anything to give me pause yet. I appreciate the work here. Most I can understand and follow. Sigh. Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 03:19 Trfel wrote:Like, EVEN IF we ignore the big juicy reason to suspect Kelsi3r: He hasn't really done anything? List of what he's done: Then the kicker, he stayed around to discuss for a while but just answered questions and didn't actually share any new thoughts. I'd be more okay with this if he'd shared a bunch of thoughts earlier, but this really feels like posting for the sake of posting and not looking to solve the game. Note that he has shared zero suspicions of anyone whatsoever, but seems content to not work towards changing that. And he even said that this is an okay starting point? Not having any scumreads/suspicions, sure. But in combination with actually being somewhat present and posting? And in combination with the other thing, townreading rsoultin for liking with something that he didn't agree with himself? Would very much like to discuss this. Kinda already am (Since I'm voting for him) but could sheep this Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 04:19 Alakaslam wrote:On June 08 2024 03:01 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 02:56 sandroba wrote:On June 08 2024 00:25 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2024 23:18 sandroba wrote:
So far I like rayn and trfel as town. So what was the point of your comment on Trfel?! Felt off and stood out to me at that point on the thread, I'm content with not pursuing it since further reading points to town. you stole my story who do you wanna lynch if it's not still scott? i'm bored of the scott conversation Is this not the person YOU want to lynch? Wtf A good catch. Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 04:36 Kelsi3r wrote:On June 08 2024 04:31 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 03:24 sandroba wrote:On June 08 2024 03:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 03:16 sandroba wrote:On June 08 2024 03:01 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 02:56 sandroba wrote:On June 08 2024 00:25 marvellosity wrote:
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So what was the point of your comment on Trfel?! Felt off and stood out to me at that point on the thread, I'm content with not pursuing it since further reading points to town. you stole my story who do you wanna lynch if it's not still scott? i'm bored of the scott conversation I'm not over scott. That single post by dmb then fucking off does look really bad, could get behind that. Rayn liking your terrible reasoning without knowing what it is also moves him away from my townie lean what are you talking about regarding me? You said you liked rsoul read on me, then asked her what is the case against me. Explain I "like her read" (lets put it this way -- because i do not necessarily agree with it) on you because in my experience rsoultin hates lying and taking a stance like that (which is not completely unreasonable), points towards her being town. I mean i can go further into this if you want to, but i just dont think she would accuse town!sandroba as mafia!rsoultin (even less if youre both mafia) like that. Basically i don't agree with her, that what you said and did makes you mafia, but i think it makes her town. @Alakaslam, it looks like you are posting as you catch up, but just in case that isn't true, here is the post you said you wanted to see. I also bring this up to make a point about Kelsi3r. Raynpelikoneet does a very nice job of explaining how he can think someone is town due a read he doesn't agree with. My point though, is, see how it requires a meaningful explanation? Like without the explanation, it doesn't make sense. I can kinda understand Kelsi3r townreading AlphaZero for his scott31337 post, but I really can't understand townreading rsoultin for being interested in AlphaZero's scott31337 post. If he had an explanation that made it make sense I'd consider it, but he doesn't, his explanation is pretty weak imo, and not at all insightful. It's not that what Kelsi3r did is inherently scummy, it's that the way he went about it doesn't make sense. you need to drop this shit Instead of explaining your mindset, you say this? Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 05:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 05:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 05:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 05:07 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 05:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 05:00 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 02:41 rsoultin wrote:
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hello oats how ya doing, just explained it up above, or i could use the word 'vibes'
namely that he seemed like he was being all reasonable and shit but then his filter was very blah and focused scott who got the most flack from the beginning. very unexciting from a player i remember being good
also i'm going to try not to read into preflip associations but note to self
if sandro's scum this out of the blue poke from oats could be a scummate woot woot
wouldn't it be cool if i found two already? \o/ sandy first ???? why are you so surprised? The read is “Sandro’s filter is boring” That’s not a real read + she just spams Sandro mafia lynch Sandro with me when he’s literally in the thread so wait, you think rsoultin is mafia? because of what exactly? Can you let me play or what What’s your vivax read this is a townie post imo. fuck it i actually think Oats is town here. I still don't get who Oats wants to lynch though. I mean we got another day, but still... I kind of don't want to lynch Slam anymore either. But I'm not fully won over on Oats. Rayn and Sandroba are like "ta da Let's call Oats town" - uggg
I have made one of 4 votes in this game and you don’t get who I want to lynch?
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On June 08 2024 07:23 rsoultin wrote:
idk about viva i think that's more nully...i like some things but i'm missing some of that out of the box thinking that's classic town viva
i don't think i'd lynch him today in any case
What do you like from vivax
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On June 08 2024 07:45 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 07:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 06:38 AlphaZero wrote:
Oats and Sandro are top town.
Trfel is really worrying me. On the surface is very pro town, but also playing in a clearly different way to his prior games. I don’t really like his scum reads at all. I don’t level as if he is being that proactive in getting kelsier lynched, even though he apparently strongly suspects him.
And I find his reasoning for his scumreads much weaker than his other posts. I agree with a lot of his analysis but not when it comes to finding mafia…
I think his Smurf hunting made more sense logically than his scum reads which bothers me.
I wouldn’t lynch today, but if there is an active mafia hiding it’s this guy.
Scott just looks bad to me, completely forgettable, aside from his question that has already been analysed I couldn’t tell you why exactly. His scum hunting just comes across as manufactured,
Won’t lynch Marv today.
Rso has felt town by vibe.
Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him
Rayn is being Rayn. Pretty much null.
Mocsta: looked better disengaging than when he was trying to do stuff. Don’t know what that means.
Kelsier: anyone with a strong opinion here is sus. Very null.
Rest need to post more or post more meaningful stuff. I guess I dunno what more I can do with Kelsi3r, people aren't super interested in lynching him, it is what it is. I mean I could definitely be wrong. But if he is mafia and gets through this it's not due to my lack of trying. I guess if he is town and doesn't change anything and survives that's also not due to my lack of trying  But you get my point. Is your "won't lynch marvellosity" thing a town read thing or a waiting thing? It’s a “bad idea to try and lynch Marv day one thing” when he is playing the game and seems to be enjoying things. Fair, I understand that view. Not sure if I agree but I at least get it. I would definitely be very sad to lynch him, like I said, he's the funniest player so far. That's a pretty big motivator.
People seem to have strong opinions on sandroba and Vivax and I'm just not seeing it right now. (same with Oatsmaster but that's on me for being bad so I expect this, it doesn't worry me yet) Can anyone post or point me to a reasonable explanation of reading sandroba or Vivax?
? Vivax just randomly calling posts town you think is good?
Also him bring afraid to post is good? Also him not constantly seeing shadows?
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On June 08 2024 08:05 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 07:59 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 07:56 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 07:51 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 07:40 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 07:38 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 07:37 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2024 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well at least i found one true town in rsoultin.
Best read so dar. Based on your well known excellent read of her, as you yourself mentioned?  Also based on rsoultins filter at the time I don’t see how you can disagree with what I said The argument isn't really about rsoultin's filter, it's that rsoultin's last post at the time in question was about halfway down page 8 of the thread. I don't understand what you are expecting her, or anyone for that matter, to say, at that point in the thread when there is so little actual information to work with? Okay. Here it is. To be frank I had no idea where in the thread rsouls last post went to. I just clicked her filter because someone (??) mentioned her and I looked and didn’t see much. If the context of the thread is that she shouldn’t have said anything, I am more than happy to stand corrected. I mean, I assume there was a reason she was in my null pile when I made the list I mean I guess it depends on your standards for post quality by mid page 8. To me, there wasn't a ton worth deeply analyzing, just the scott31337 thing and maybe a small raynpelikoneet thing if you care about that. You misunderstood what I said truffle I don't think I did? But maybe I'm just stupid. Regardless I don't think it's important. I mean maybe me being stupid is important in the negative sense, but that's a bit harder to fix. Regardless I'm happy to let this drop for now and let you do your thing.
Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 07:59 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 07:53 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 07:46 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 07:45 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 07:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 06:38 AlphaZero wrote:
Oats and Sandro are top town.
Trfel is really worrying me. On the surface is very pro town, but also playing in a clearly different way to his prior games. I don’t really like his scum reads at all. I don’t level as if he is being that proactive in getting kelsier lynched, even though he apparently strongly suspects him.
And I find his reasoning for his scumreads much weaker than his other posts. I agree with a lot of his analysis but not when it comes to finding mafia…
I think his Smurf hunting made more sense logically than his scum reads which bothers me.
I wouldn’t lynch today, but if there is an active mafia hiding it’s this guy.
Scott just looks bad to me, completely forgettable, aside from his question that has already been analysed I couldn’t tell you why exactly. His scum hunting just comes across as manufactured,
Won’t lynch Marv today.
Rso has felt town by vibe.
Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him
Rayn is being Rayn. Pretty much null.
Mocsta: looked better disengaging than when he was trying to do stuff. Don’t know what that means.
Kelsier: anyone with a strong opinion here is sus. Very null.
Rest need to post more or post more meaningful stuff. I guess I dunno what more I can do with Kelsi3r, people aren't super interested in lynching him, it is what it is. I mean I could definitely be wrong. But if he is mafia and gets through this it's not due to my lack of trying. I guess if he is town and doesn't change anything and survives that's also not due to my lack of trying But you get my point. Is your "won't lynch marvellosity" thing a town read thing or a waiting thing? It’s a “bad idea to try and lynch Marv day one thing” when he is playing the game and seems to be enjoying things. Fair, I understand that view. Not sure if I agree but I at least get it. I would definitely be very sad to lynch him, like I said, he's the funniest player so far. That's a pretty big motivator.
People seem to have strong opinions on sandroba and Vivax and I'm just not seeing it right now. (same with Oatsmaster but that's on me for being bad so I expect this, it doesn't worry me yet) Can anyone post or point me to a reasonable explanation of reading sandroba or Vivax? Sandros catchup posting resonated with me. He seemed to be just comfortable putting things out there. Vivax im not sure anyone should how anyone could call him town right now. He looked ok initially. Recently pretty meh. I agree about Vivax, he feels decidedly meh to me. Can I ask more about sandroba? Are you referring to the posts 2 hours ago, or 4? Because reading over both, I don't actually feel like he is doing much, just kinda asking questions. This isn't bad per se, but it doesn't really give me any reason to townread him? He hasn't had a ton of meaningful thoughts in a while imo. I’m talking about his catchup and entry into the thread. If you don’t think it’s bad what’s the issue. Sandro will look townie if he is town. I don't see a ton wrong with what sandroba has posted tbh, it's more that I think he's capable of more? I was just trying to understand since it felt like a lot of people were having him as a top scumread and I am not seeing that super easily.
Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 08:02 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 07:45 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 07:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 06:38 AlphaZero wrote:
Oats and Sandro are top town.
Trfel is really worrying me. On the surface is very pro town, but also playing in a clearly different way to his prior games. I don’t really like his scum reads at all. I don’t level as if he is being that proactive in getting kelsier lynched, even though he apparently strongly suspects him.
And I find his reasoning for his scumreads much weaker than his other posts. I agree with a lot of his analysis but not when it comes to finding mafia…
I think his Smurf hunting made more sense logically than his scum reads which bothers me.
I wouldn’t lynch today, but if there is an active mafia hiding it’s this guy.
Scott just looks bad to me, completely forgettable, aside from his question that has already been analysed I couldn’t tell you why exactly. His scum hunting just comes across as manufactured,
Won’t lynch Marv today.
Rso has felt town by vibe.
Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him
Rayn is being Rayn. Pretty much null.
Mocsta: looked better disengaging than when he was trying to do stuff. Don’t know what that means.
Kelsier: anyone with a strong opinion here is sus. Very null.
Rest need to post more or post more meaningful stuff. I guess I dunno what more I can do with Kelsi3r, people aren't super interested in lynching him, it is what it is. I mean I could definitely be wrong. But if he is mafia and gets through this it's not due to my lack of trying. I guess if he is town and doesn't change anything and survives that's also not due to my lack of trying But you get my point. Is your "won't lynch marvellosity" thing a town read thing or a waiting thing? It’s a “bad idea to try and lynch Marv day one thing” when he is playing the game and seems to be enjoying things. Fair, I understand that view. Not sure if I agree but I at least get it. I would definitely be very sad to lynch him, like I said, he's the funniest player so far. That's a pretty big motivator.
People seem to have strong opinions on sandroba and Vivax and I'm just not seeing it right now. (same with Oatsmaster but that's on me for being bad so I expect this, it doesn't worry me yet) Can anyone post or point me to a reasonable explanation of reading sandroba or Vivax? ? Vivax just randomly calling posts town you think is good? Also him bring afraid to post is good? Also him not constantly seeing shadows? What do you mean by seeing shadows? Is that the same as being afraid to post, or something different? Do you not expect Vivax to randomly call some things town if he is town?
Bottom point is bad play as mafia attempting to look random and post random unsubstantiated things. You’ve played with vivax before, you know how he gets seeing shadows if he’s town.
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@trfel
it felt like a lot of people were having him as a top scumread and I am not seeing that super easily.
Imma need you to source this please, who has him as a top scum read currenrly
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On June 08 2024 08:10 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 05:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 05:07 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 05:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 05:00 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 02:41 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 02:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Rsoul what’s the Sandro scum read? hello oats how ya doing, just explained it up above, or i could use the word 'vibes' namely that he seemed like he was being all reasonable and shit but then his filter was very blah and focused scott who got the most flack from the beginning. very unexciting from a player i remember being good also i'm going to try not to read into preflip associations but note to self if sandro's scum this out of the blue poke from oats could be a scummate woot woot wouldn't it be cool if i found two already? \o/ sandy first ???? why are you so surprised? The read is “Sandro’s filter is boring” That’s not a real read + she just spams Sandro mafia lynch Sandro with me when he’s literally in the thread so wait, you think rsoultin is mafia? because of what exactly? Can you let me play or what What’s your vivax read dayam I chuckled.outnloud with this Town slight lean for me right there Is this bravado in mafia!oats range?
Yes
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On June 08 2024 08:13 Vivax wrote:
I‘m at work fyi. Can‘t be all over the thread as usual. I‘m also in a really shitty mood but some who pretend to know me can likely figure it out
Got the wrong role pm I reckon
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On June 08 2024 09:04 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 08:17 AlphaZero wrote:
I’ll lynch vivax with you oats.
Vote:vivax Is first time you play with vivax? I am used to always read vivax first because for me are 2 option with vivax first when i am mafia I have to get him out of the game as fast as possibole second is if i am town he is still the "easiest" read for me. If vivax is mafia he just posting random shit, jokes, memes, off the topic stuff and hating the government of austria if he is Town he actually trys to tell us his opinion, try to find scummy shit, beeing paranoid about chez but he is not in the game and hating the government of austria. For me he looks like Town (atm) you have any other scum reads?
Source on the mafia meta read?
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Vivax coming in and complaining about me is clsssic scum!vivax cmon.
The Scott stuff kinda boring, I get it but he’s not mafia
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On June 08 2024 09:46 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 09:04 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 08 2024 08:17 AlphaZero wrote:
I’ll lynch vivax with you oats.
Vote:vivax Is first time you play with vivax? I am used to always read vivax first because for me are 2 option with vivax first when i am mafia I have to get him out of the game as fast as possibole second is if i am town he is still the "easiest" read for me. If vivax is mafia he just posting random shit, jokes, memes, off the topic stuff and hating the government of austria if he is Town he actually trys to tell us his opinion, try to find scummy shit, beeing paranoid about chez but he is not in the game and hating the government of austria. For me he looks like Town (atm) you have any other scum reads? Source on the mafia meta read? Are you looking for the weakest players again like in your last mafia game?
I’d go after you no? Why would I go after vivax? Answer the question please
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On June 08 2024 09:55 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 09:53 scott31337 wrote:On June 08 2024 09:50 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 09:46 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 09:41 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 09:37 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 09:34 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 09:24 rsoultin wrote:
okay obviously i need to explain
isn't the crux of the push on scott
1) he opened with setup discussion = mafia = policy lynch
2) he asked how masons are towny then explained how masons are towny = objectively inconsistent You know there is more to it than that. cause you commented on it. Come on now. the 'more to it' isn't interesting to me it was fine for you and viva to jump on that early cause that was all there was and probably the only interesting thing going on apart from truffle sounding like a bloody robot. we've now got ~30 pages of game Yes that’s fair in isolation. but the second point against him definitely tracks with a mafia agenda. Now there are two points for the same player that don’t sit right. That’s a pattern building. But hey, feel free to present an alternative option if you see one. I will consider it on its merits. and your second point is what? that he thought it was scummy you went after viva when he couldn't find any mention of him in your filter after yammering about him all day? cause if that's the case, i'm not following you did mention issues with viva before voting though so hrum, i guess i can see how you'd see that as a scum!scott reaction. though then my question is what was your post about 'knowing' someone (probably scum) would mention that? frankly i'm just confused -_- I would attempt to explain more than what's already in my thread but I think that horse has died at least twice already. you don't need to explain it to me scott i'd also be weirded out if someone had a hard-on for me than hard left-turned seemingly out of the blue, even if he had put viva as null more recently
It’s a super out of context “catch” from Scott that isn’t taking into account thread sentiment and what’s going on
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On June 08 2024 10:51 Trfel wrote:My main worry with Kelsi3r is that I worry I just bullied him out of the thread. Which wasn't my intention at all, but I could see the possibility of him taking it that way. I don't really think any other lynch makes sense right now though? I'm conflicted/unsure about Oatsmaster, a lot of people think he is town though. I'm hesitant to lynch scott31337. I think die_meatbaby, Alakaslam, sandroba, marvellosity, and Vivax would benefit from more time. Mocsta too, but I think it's a little easier to read him. It's a combination of Kelsi3r looking really suspicious and no one else looking like a sensible lynch target. Lynching scott31337 wouldn't be the worst thing in the world I guesssss but it would be very far from ideal imo.
Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 10:45 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 08 2024 10:38 Trfel wrote:
Idk, I guesssss we could talk about AlphaZero but I don't think it'd be that helpful to talk about them today. I guess we still have over 24 hours but I'd kinda rather start to focus on lynch targets for Day 1.
Unless you want to lynch AlphaZero today, in which case feel free to explain, but currently I think that is very unlikely to happen. Pls feel free to explain What part do you want me to explain? People haven't talked about suspecting AlphaZero very much so far. Most of what people have shared is that they are inclined to think they are town, tbh. So I think it's pretty ambitious to expect people's minds to change that dramatically, that quickly. Like, it takes time for discussion to happen and for people to share ideas. Also, it's typical to lynch a less active/involved player on Day 1, it's not a rule, it's just much more common. AlphaZero doesn't fit that mold. Those things combined make me think that realistically, AlphaZero is extremely unlikely to be lynched today, so with the deadline coming up, I'd rather start to focus on people who are more realistic targets.
Why are you conflicted about me? You’ve said this a couple times but haven’t expanded with posts or reasoning
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On June 08 2024 10:51 Trfel wrote:My main worry with Kelsi3r is that I worry I just bullied him out of the thread. Which wasn't my intention at all, but I could see the possibility of him taking it that way. I don't really think any other lynch makes sense right now though? I'm conflicted/unsure about Oatsmaster, a lot of people think he is town though. I'm hesitant to lynch scott31337. I think die_meatbaby, Alakaslam, sandroba, marvellosity, and Vivax would benefit from more time. Mocsta too, but I think it's a little easier to read him. It's a combination of Kelsi3r looking really suspicious and no one else looking like a sensible lynch target. Lynching scott31337 wouldn't be the worst thing in the world I guesssss but it would be very far from ideal imo.
Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 10:45 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 08 2024 10:38 Trfel wrote:
Idk, I guesssss we could talk about AlphaZero but I don't think it'd be that helpful to talk about them today. I guess we still have over 24 hours but I'd kinda rather start to focus on lynch targets for Day 1.
Unless you want to lynch AlphaZero today, in which case feel free to explain, but currently I think that is very unlikely to happen. Pls feel free to explain What part do you want me to explain? People haven't talked about suspecting AlphaZero very much so far. Most of what people have shared is that they are inclined to think they are town, tbh. So I think it's pretty ambitious to expect people's minds to change that dramatically, that quickly. Like, it takes time for discussion to happen and for people to share ideas. Also, it's typical to lynch a less active/involved player on Day 1, it's not a rule, it's just much more common. AlphaZero doesn't fit that mold. Those things combined make me think that realistically, AlphaZero is extremely unlikely to be lynched today, so with the deadline coming up, I'd rather start to focus on people who are more realistic targets.
Make your stance on alphazeros alignment please the waffle is tiresome
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On June 08 2024 11:02 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 10:55 rsoultin wrote:
tbf this is largely how i make reads on people, discussing the entire game with others in thread rather than just focusing on today's lynch? but point taken. don't want to make the thread completely unreadable I think it depends on how much time there is until the lynch, imo when it gets closer to the lynch it's helpful to focus a bit. Night 1 I'd be more than happy to talk about anything and everything.
Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 10:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 10:51 Trfel wrote:My main worry with Kelsi3r is that I worry I just bullied him out of the thread. Which wasn't my intention at all, but I could see the possibility of him taking it that way. I don't really think any other lynch makes sense right now though? I'm conflicted/unsure about Oatsmaster, a lot of people think he is town though. I'm hesitant to lynch scott31337. I think die_meatbaby, Alakaslam, sandroba, marvellosity, and Vivax would benefit from more time. Mocsta too, but I think it's a little easier to read him. It's a combination of Kelsi3r looking really suspicious and no one else looking like a sensible lynch target. Lynching scott31337 wouldn't be the worst thing in the world I guesssss but it would be very far from ideal imo.
On June 08 2024 10:45 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 08 2024 10:38 Trfel wrote:
Idk, I guesssss we could talk about AlphaZero but I don't think it'd be that helpful to talk about them today. I guess we still have over 24 hours but I'd kinda rather start to focus on lynch targets for Day 1.
Unless you want to lynch AlphaZero today, in which case feel free to explain, but currently I think that is very unlikely to happen. Pls feel free to explain What part do you want me to explain? People haven't talked about suspecting AlphaZero very much so far. Most of what people have shared is that they are inclined to think they are town, tbh. So I think it's pretty ambitious to expect people's minds to change that dramatically, that quickly. Like, it takes time for discussion to happen and for people to share ideas. Also, it's typical to lynch a less active/involved player on Day 1, it's not a rule, it's just much more common. AlphaZero doesn't fit that mold. Those things combined make me think that realistically, AlphaZero is extremely unlikely to be lynched today, so with the deadline coming up, I'd rather start to focus on people who are more realistic targets. Make your stance on alphazeros alignment please the waffle is tiresome I don't have much to discuss about AlphaZero. I kinda think they are town but it's a weak read. I generally don't like to talk about townreads, especially not weak ones. How have I been waffling on AlphaZero, of all people, since I haven't said anything about them?
Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 10:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 10:51 Trfel wrote:My main worry with Kelsi3r is that I worry I just bullied him out of the thread. Which wasn't my intention at all, but I could see the possibility of him taking it that way. I don't really think any other lynch makes sense right now though? I'm conflicted/unsure about Oatsmaster, a lot of people think he is town though. I'm hesitant to lynch scott31337. I think die_meatbaby, Alakaslam, sandroba, marvellosity, and Vivax would benefit from more time. Mocsta too, but I think it's a little easier to read him. It's a combination of Kelsi3r looking really suspicious and no one else looking like a sensible lynch target. Lynching scott31337 wouldn't be the worst thing in the world I guesssss but it would be very far from ideal imo.
On June 08 2024 10:45 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 08 2024 10:38 Trfel wrote:
Idk, I guesssss we could talk about AlphaZero but I don't think it'd be that helpful to talk about them today. I guess we still have over 24 hours but I'd kinda rather start to focus on lynch targets for Day 1.
Unless you want to lynch AlphaZero today, in which case feel free to explain, but currently I think that is very unlikely to happen. Pls feel free to explain What part do you want me to explain? People haven't talked about suspecting AlphaZero very much so far. Most of what people have shared is that they are inclined to think they are town, tbh. So I think it's pretty ambitious to expect people's minds to change that dramatically, that quickly. Like, it takes time for discussion to happen and for people to share ideas. Also, it's typical to lynch a less active/involved player on Day 1, it's not a rule, it's just much more common. AlphaZero doesn't fit that mold. Those things combined make me think that realistically, AlphaZero is extremely unlikely to be lynched today, so with the deadline coming up, I'd rather start to focus on people who are more realistic targets. Why are you conflicted about me? You’ve said this a couple times but haven’t expanded with posts or reasoning The issue is that your playstyle, seemingly regardless of alignment, seems scummy to me. This makes it hard to figure out if you are town or mafia, because you always seem scummy. I'm trying to work on it but unfortunately I can't magically get better. Honestly I don't know. You're going to have to live with that, I am not going to make something up.
You literally keep saying “oh maybe we shouldn’t discuss alphazero because he’s not a lynch target today” which doesn’t make sense if you even think he’s slightly town??
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The issue is that your playstyle, seemingly regardless of alignment, seems scummy to me. This makes it hard to figure out if you are town or mafia, because you always seem scummy. I'm trying to work on it but unfortunately I can't magically get better.
Literally no reasons here why I’m scummy. You can do better than that
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On June 08 2024 11:34 Trfel wrote:
@Oatsmaster, can you read in context? I was talking to people who are suspicious of AlphaZero, hence my posts.
Yes I could say reasons why you could be mafia but how is that productive if I don't know if it makes you mafia? Like why would I do that?
? Why are you stopping discussion of someone you don’t have a solid read on then?
Because we can determine if those reasons are good enough? Are you seriously asking why it’s good to explain a read?
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On June 08 2024 11:40 rsoultin wrote:
it being scum who got it seems a reasonable assumption but inferring who might be on the scum team by it seems like too many assumptions/points of failure? like you could just as easily argue that weak scum players might not want the sort of scrutiny that could come from sitting in a mason qt with a townie who knows for sure it's not alignment indicative
Not really sure why you don’t think that’s a strong indicator one of the scum players isn’t confident
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Fuckin bizzaro game where it’s not good to explain reads and it’s not good to talk about players in the game and things reasonably inferred are somehow invalid
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On June 08 2024 11:58 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 11:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
Fuckin bizzaro game where it’s not good to explain reads and it’s not good to talk about players in the game and things reasonably inferred are somehow invalid It takes a fortune teller to figure out what the fuck you are ranting about. Go read Mocsta and put on your columbo costume
I really should I’ve been slacking
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On June 08 2024 12:02 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 11:49 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 11:34 Trfel wrote:
@Oatsmaster, can you read in context? I was talking to people who are suspicious of AlphaZero, hence my posts.
Yes I could say reasons why you could be mafia but how is that productive if I don't know if it makes you mafia? Like why would I do that? ? Why are you stopping discussion of someone you don’t have a solid read on then? Because we can determine if those reasons are good enough? Are you seriously asking why it’s good to explain a read? Can you stop misinterpreting my posts? I'm sorry I'm trying to play a board game with some friends and don't have a ton of patience for dealing with this :/ I think it is very common to avoid aimless discussions about people who aren't realistic lynch targets when the deadline is approaching. Like I said, if you have actual reasons or arguments, by all means go ahead. Otherwise, let's focus on the upcoming deadline.
How is d1 discussion aimless?
I’m not really sure how I’m misinterpreting your posts? Just give some reasons why I’m mafia it’s not that hard if you have them
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On June 08 2024 11:59 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 11:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 11:40 rsoultin wrote:
it being scum who got it seems a reasonable assumption but inferring who might be on the scum team by it seems like too many assumptions/points of failure? like you could just as easily argue that weak scum players might not want the sort of scrutiny that could come from sitting in a mason qt with a townie who knows for sure it's not alignment indicative Not really sure why you don’t think that’s a strong indicator one of the scum players isn’t confident i literally just said that in different words oats
You say “inferring who might be on the scum team by it seems like too many points of failure” that’s the direct opposite of what I said
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Just the 1 person that got the Mason power would be the weak scum, or both are weak scum. I’m very confident it’s not two strong scum
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Mocsta has been bad so far but I don’t think it makes him scum. One thing I found particularly interesting is that he hasn’t engaged with Scott or vivax at all in his filter
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On June 08 2024 12:16 rsoultin wrote:
why are you assuming two scum?
Because reading the op is for chumps also idk if there are 3 then it’s not 3 strong scum, does it really matter day 1
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On June 08 2024 12:27 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta has been bad so far but I don’t think it makes him scum. One thing I found particularly interesting is that he hasn’t engaged with Scott or vivax at all in his filter You can literally read his first eight posts and spot something that at the very least would likely make him mafia.
Explain
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I know if you are town you think I’m town
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On June 08 2024 12:44 rsoultin wrote:
i feel like it's prob the thing that's already been brought up numerous times but whatevs, someone else can play the viva tell me what my reads are game
i'm assuming oats you're suggesting that if your scumread flips scum the lack of interaction suggests mocsta may be scum with him and possibly scott too? or am i misunderstanding?
More so those were two pretty significant things that have happened in the game that mocsta seems to have missed
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On June 08 2024 12:48 rsoultin wrote:
tbf i am giving viva a bit of a townlean for being like go forth and see what i see to prove thyself! could be townie arrogance that. i don't think it's hard to replicate as scum, but in terms of preferred lynch order that puts him behind others
Super easy to fake.
Would I be correct in assuming your scum game is very good?
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On June 08 2024 13:00 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 12:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 12:44 rsoultin wrote:
i feel like it's prob the thing that's already been brought up numerous times but whatevs, someone else can play the viva tell me what my reads are game
i'm assuming oats you're suggesting that if your scumread flips scum the lack of interaction suggests mocsta may be scum with him and possibly scott too? or am i misunderstanding? More so those were two pretty significant things that have happened in the game that mocsta seems to have missed hey mate, i dont understand yes havent posted to scott, however, my opinion on what happened has been stated numerous times. vivax though, i have no idea what you could be referring to that was significant?
You literally say that your top scum read is az and a significant part of that I would reckon to be from the way hes handled vivax no?
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On June 08 2024 12:58 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta has been bad so far but I don’t think it makes him scum. One thing I found particularly interesting is that he hasn’t engaged with Scott or vivax at all in his filter awww man, i dont even understand why im not fitting in woe is me i haven't engaged with vivax because i find his playstyle really polarising which is not conducive to scumhunting.. to be fair with vivax i really need other people to make cases that i can then internalise scott thats a fair call. i do have on my agenda to review now that he has more content which is what i was waiting for.. i was left underwhelmed with his posts when i caught up but did get a spider sense tingle from it. (i.e. underwhelmed beucase of stringing together BS) the player that makes me uncomfortable in the pit of my stomach is AZ, so hes my top scum read.. again. i dont have it as an agenda to push today for reasons i have already stated and are unchanged. will do a deep dive review on scott later today and i want to re-read sandroba people i am not open to lynching today are: oats, trfel, rsoultin, rayn, marv.. i didnt include az as if there was a wagon i would be all over that.
Why az mafia?
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Withholds information how?
Idk why people (trfel&mocsta) don’t wanna talk about az so weird
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On June 08 2024 18:53 marvellosity wrote:
Oats - Im not sure Vivax is a great lynch today.
Listening to DMB at least today on Vivax doesn’t seem like a bad idea regardless of her alignment. I’ve flicked Vivax’s filter again and although he could definitely be… more vivaxy? - it also isn’t really giving me scum vibes after all.
Tbh calling me town does freak me out a little bit but he’s actually done the same as town in a very recent game, so maybe his outlook on me is maturing a little?
I think the weird way he’s going about this Mocsta push is probably more likely to come from the town version of himself. It’s game relevant but he’s making it weird, which is classic Vivax
It’s not that he’s calling you town specifically. It’s just a complete nonsensical train of thought from a town player to open the way vivax did and then try to appear random and “townie” by throwing out random townreads
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On June 08 2024 19:33 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 17:10 Mocsta wrote:
Hi trfel
.your post #715 on oats
I don't really get it
I had a read of oats filter and didn't see the same things you raised.
His filter is consistent focus and attitude/tone. He's kept prodding the same things regardless of buy in, which yes can be scummy. Yet. He's updating the read as the conviction increases which I find townie.
There was a post early game about you and Ryan that stuck out to me and made me wonder about a scum duo of rayn and oats but that's really clutching at straws and nothing I intend to pursue. Thanks for taking the time. I guess I didn't even see a ton of Oatsmaster bringing up the same things, I can try and look again though. @marvellosity, I think Mocsta is easier to read than several other players this game due to a combination of activity and unique thoughts. He's been present and involved and has been very willing to provide his own take, which often differs from that of everyone else and the thread consensus. I think this gives a lot of extra information with which we can figure out his alignment more easily. Also, someone asked about die_meatbaby's meta, I'm far from an expert but I would say her play matches my expectations close enough. That doesn't mean she is town or mafia necessarily, but this is the kind of play I was expecting. With the Vivax focus, paranoia of influential players, hesitance to commit to early reads, etc. Kinda confused about what these last 2-3 pages were about but I'm too lazy/sleepy to go to my computer and actually figure it out, oh well Too lazy to visit the links Mocsta brought up about scott31337, can someone tell me if it makes sense or not? Happy to talk about most anything, but prefer to talk about Kelsi3r or Oatsmaster.
Why do you think it’s good to talk about me when I’m clearly not a day 1 lynch? Is it not the exact same situation as alpha zero?
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On June 08 2024 20:07 marvellosity wrote:
My bones are telling me there’s a mafia in rsoul/rayn
Stop stealing my ideas
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On June 08 2024 20:08 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 20:05 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 19:33 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 17:10 Mocsta wrote:
Hi trfel
.your post #715 on oats
I don't really get it
I had a read of oats filter and didn't see the same things you raised.
His filter is consistent focus and attitude/tone. He's kept prodding the same things regardless of buy in, which yes can be scummy. Yet. He's updating the read as the conviction increases which I find townie.
There was a post early game about you and Ryan that stuck out to me and made me wonder about a scum duo of rayn and oats but that's really clutching at straws and nothing I intend to pursue. Thanks for taking the time. I guess I didn't even see a ton of Oatsmaster bringing up the same things, I can try and look again though. @marvellosity, I think Mocsta is easier to read than several other players this game due to a combination of activity and unique thoughts. He's been present and involved and has been very willing to provide his own take, which often differs from that of everyone else and the thread consensus. I think this gives a lot of extra information with which we can figure out his alignment more easily. Also, someone asked about die_meatbaby's meta, I'm far from an expert but I would say her play matches my expectations close enough. That doesn't mean she is town or mafia necessarily, but this is the kind of play I was expecting. With the Vivax focus, paranoia of influential players, hesitance to commit to early reads, etc. Kinda confused about what these last 2-3 pages were about but I'm too lazy/sleepy to go to my computer and actually figure it out, oh well Too lazy to visit the links Mocsta brought up about scott31337, can someone tell me if it makes sense or not? Happy to talk about most anything, but prefer to talk about Kelsi3r or Oatsmaster. Why do you think it’s good to talk about me when I’m clearly not a day 1 lynch? Is it not the exact same situation as alpha zero? One and a half differences. One difference: I brought legit reasons to talk about. Not random suspicions and paranoia and spookies. Half difference: not being able to figure out your alignment, especially having such a dramatically different take on it than everyone else does, is driving me insane.
Your legit reasons are random spookiness to everyone else as you can see it hasn’t gained any traction.
So again I ask, what’s the difference?
Your main point was that alpha zero wasn’t a day 1 lynch so he shouldn’t be discussed
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On June 08 2024 20:16 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 20:13 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 20:07 marvellosity wrote:
My bones are telling me there’s a mafia in rsoul/rayn Stop stealing my ideas Where did this come from? I didn't see any suspicions of them in your filter tbh.
My brain
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Which I why I said ideas and not posts
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I’m coming around to what Marv thinks about mocsta
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On June 08 2024 20:26 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 20:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 20:08 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 20:05 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 19:33 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 17:10 Mocsta wrote:
Hi trfel
.your post #715 on oats
I don't really get it
I had a read of oats filter and didn't see the same things you raised.
His filter is consistent focus and attitude/tone. He's kept prodding the same things regardless of buy in, which yes can be scummy. Yet. He's updating the read as the conviction increases which I find townie.
There was a post early game about you and Ryan that stuck out to me and made me wonder about a scum duo of rayn and oats but that's really clutching at straws and nothing I intend to pursue. Thanks for taking the time. I guess I didn't even see a ton of Oatsmaster bringing up the same things, I can try and look again though. @marvellosity, I think Mocsta is easier to read than several other players this game due to a combination of activity and unique thoughts. He's been present and involved and has been very willing to provide his own take, which often differs from that of everyone else and the thread consensus. I think this gives a lot of extra information with which we can figure out his alignment more easily. Also, someone asked about die_meatbaby's meta, I'm far from an expert but I would say her play matches my expectations close enough. That doesn't mean she is town or mafia necessarily, but this is the kind of play I was expecting. With the Vivax focus, paranoia of influential players, hesitance to commit to early reads, etc. Kinda confused about what these last 2-3 pages were about but I'm too lazy/sleepy to go to my computer and actually figure it out, oh well Too lazy to visit the links Mocsta brought up about scott31337, can someone tell me if it makes sense or not? Happy to talk about most anything, but prefer to talk about Kelsi3r or Oatsmaster. Why do you think it’s good to talk about me when I’m clearly not a day 1 lynch? Is it not the exact same situation as alpha zero? One and a half differences. One difference: I brought legit reasons to talk about. Not random suspicions and paranoia and spookies. Half difference: not being able to figure out your alignment, especially having such a dramatically different take on it than everyone else does, is driving me insane. Your legit reasons are random spookiness to everyone else as you can see it hasn’t gained any traction. So again I ask, what’s the difference? Your main point was that alpha zero wasn’t a day 1 lynch so he shouldn’t be discussed No, no, that's not how this works. Reasons can be good or bad, random spookiness isn't a bad reason, it's no reason, it's fearmongering. I've said this like five times now. One more. I don't want to discuss someone if all of the following are true: 1. near a lynch deadline 2. the person in question is extremely unlikely to be lynched 3. there are no actual reasons presented to suspect the person. Note that this is very different from bad reasons. Once again, and for the last time, all three things have to be true. As you can see this with AlphaZero, I didn't want to discuss him when there were no reasons. As soon as Mocsta posted his reasons, I discussed it with him, and I would be happy to continue discussing based on those reasons. I don't get how this is so hard to understand?
Damn 1-3 are all true for what you think about me.
If 3 isn’t true then surely you can quote some posts that I made right?
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On June 08 2024 20:51 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 20:47 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 20:26 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 20:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 20:08 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 20:05 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 19:33 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 17:10 Mocsta wrote:
Hi trfel
.your post #715 on oats
I don't really get it
I had a read of oats filter and didn't see the same things you raised.
His filter is consistent focus and attitude/tone. He's kept prodding the same things regardless of buy in, which yes can be scummy. Yet. He's updating the read as the conviction increases which I find townie.
There was a post early game about you and Ryan that stuck out to me and made me wonder about a scum duo of rayn and oats but that's really clutching at straws and nothing I intend to pursue. Thanks for taking the time. I guess I didn't even see a ton of Oatsmaster bringing up the same things, I can try and look again though. @marvellosity, I think Mocsta is easier to read than several other players this game due to a combination of activity and unique thoughts. He's been present and involved and has been very willing to provide his own take, which often differs from that of everyone else and the thread consensus. I think this gives a lot of extra information with which we can figure out his alignment more easily. Also, someone asked about die_meatbaby's meta, I'm far from an expert but I would say her play matches my expectations close enough. That doesn't mean she is town or mafia necessarily, but this is the kind of play I was expecting. With the Vivax focus, paranoia of influential players, hesitance to commit to early reads, etc. Kinda confused about what these last 2-3 pages were about but I'm too lazy/sleepy to go to my computer and actually figure it out, oh well Too lazy to visit the links Mocsta brought up about scott31337, can someone tell me if it makes sense or not? Happy to talk about most anything, but prefer to talk about Kelsi3r or Oatsmaster. Why do you think it’s good to talk about me when I’m clearly not a day 1 lynch? Is it not the exact same situation as alpha zero? One and a half differences. One difference: I brought legit reasons to talk about. Not random suspicions and paranoia and spookies. Half difference: not being able to figure out your alignment, especially having such a dramatically different take on it than everyone else does, is driving me insane. Your legit reasons are random spookiness to everyone else as you can see it hasn’t gained any traction. So again I ask, what’s the difference? Your main point was that alpha zero wasn’t a day 1 lynch so he shouldn’t be discussed No, no, that's not how this works. Reasons can be good or bad, random spookiness isn't a bad reason, it's no reason, it's fearmongering. I've said this like five times now. One more. I don't want to discuss someone if all of the following are true: 1. near a lynch deadline 2. the person in question is extremely unlikely to be lynched 3. there are no actual reasons presented to suspect the person. Note that this is very different from bad reasons. Once again, and for the last time, all three things have to be true. As you can see this with AlphaZero, I didn't want to discuss him when there were no reasons. As soon as Mocsta posted his reasons, I discussed it with him, and I would be happy to continue discussing based on those reasons. I don't get how this is so hard to understand? Damn 1-3 are all true for what you think about me. If 3 isn’t true then surely you can quote some posts that I made right? What the heck do you think this was?!?!! Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 14:23 Trfel wrote:Sorry for getting frustrated earlier. I shouldn't try and play when I have company over. Again, I'm more than happy to talk about AlphaZero if anyone has any specifics to discuss. I don't want to just point fingers and suspicions for no reason, that doesn't help anyone. Either get serious and give actual reasons or wait until you have actual reasons, if discrediting people for no reason is commonly acceptable, the game becomes a mess. Maybe I'm blind but I haven't seen any substantial reasons to suspect AlphaZero posted so far.
OatsmasterOn June 08 2024 00:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vivax mafia On June 08 2024 05:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think vivax is easily mafia here though, he’s playing super scared to make posts and has resorted to posting inane townreads On June 08 2024 08:02 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 07:45 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 07:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 06:38 AlphaZero wrote:
Oats and Sandro are top town.
Trfel is really worrying me. On the surface is very pro town, but also playing in a clearly different way to his prior games. I don’t really like his scum reads at all. I don’t level as if he is being that proactive in getting kelsier lynched, even though he apparently strongly suspects him.
And I find his reasoning for his scumreads much weaker than his other posts. I agree with a lot of his analysis but not when it comes to finding mafia…
I think his Smurf hunting made more sense logically than his scum reads which bothers me.
I wouldn’t lynch today, but if there is an active mafia hiding it’s this guy.
Scott just looks bad to me, completely forgettable, aside from his question that has already been analysed I couldn’t tell you why exactly. His scum hunting just comes across as manufactured,
Won’t lynch Marv today.
Rso has felt town by vibe.
Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him
Rayn is being Rayn. Pretty much null.
Mocsta: looked better disengaging than when he was trying to do stuff. Don’t know what that means.
Kelsier: anyone with a strong opinion here is sus. Very null.
Rest need to post more or post more meaningful stuff. I guess I dunno what more I can do with Kelsi3r, people aren't super interested in lynching him, it is what it is. I mean I could definitely be wrong. But if he is mafia and gets through this it's not due to my lack of trying. I guess if he is town and doesn't change anything and survives that's also not due to my lack of trying But you get my point. Is your "won't lynch marvellosity" thing a town read thing or a waiting thing? It’s a “bad idea to try and lynch Marv day one thing” when he is playing the game and seems to be enjoying things. Fair, I understand that view. Not sure if I agree but I at least get it. I would definitely be very sad to lynch him, like I said, he's the funniest player so far. That's a pretty big motivator.
People seem to have strong opinions on sandroba and Vivax and I'm just not seeing it right now. (same with Oatsmaster but that's on me for being bad so I expect this, it doesn't worry me yet) Can anyone post or point me to a reasonable explanation of reading sandroba or Vivax? ? Vivax just randomly calling posts town you think is good? Also him bring afraid to post is good? Also him not constantly seeing shadows? On June 08 2024 09:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vivax coming in and complaining about me is clsssic scum!vivax cmon.
The Scott stuff kinda boring, I get it but he’s not mafia These are the important posts I found in Oatsmaster's filter. The rest are mostly questions or random comments, basically things other than sharing his thoughts and pushing his reads. I realize this is subjective, so here is Oatsmaster's filter if you want to look for yourself. Honestly for having made 61 game posts, I'm pretty underwhelmed. He's had plenty of opportunity, and all he's come up with is this weird Vivax push. I'd like to break down his reasons for suspecting/pushing Vivax. 1. Vivax is scared to post (I'll reinterpret this as Vivax not being very active, it's hard for me to understand how you can interpret a lack of activity as mafia being scared to post) 2. Vivax has made silly townreads without reasoning to back them up 3. Vivax isn't constantly seeing shadows (I think this means he isn't being tinfoil-y?) 4. This post from Vivax is a classic mafia post: On June 08 2024 08:20 Vivax wrote:On June 08 2024 08:02 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 07:45 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 07:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 06:38 AlphaZero wrote:
Oats and Sandro are top town.
Trfel is really worrying me. On the surface is very pro town, but also playing in a clearly different way to his prior games. I don’t really like his scum reads at all. I don’t level as if he is being that proactive in getting kelsier lynched, even though he apparently strongly suspects him.
And I find his reasoning for his scumreads much weaker than his other posts. I agree with a lot of his analysis but not when it comes to finding mafia…
I think his Smurf hunting made more sense logically than his scum reads which bothers me.
I wouldn’t lynch today, but if there is an active mafia hiding it’s this guy.
Scott just looks bad to me, completely forgettable, aside from his question that has already been analysed I couldn’t tell you why exactly. His scum hunting just comes across as manufactured,
Won’t lynch Marv today.
Rso has felt town by vibe.
Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him
Rayn is being Rayn. Pretty much null.
Mocsta: looked better disengaging than when he was trying to do stuff. Don’t know what that means.
Kelsier: anyone with a strong opinion here is sus. Very null.
Rest need to post more or post more meaningful stuff. I guess I dunno what more I can do with Kelsi3r, people aren't super interested in lynching him, it is what it is. I mean I could definitely be wrong. But if he is mafia and gets through this it's not due to my lack of trying. I guess if he is town and doesn't change anything and survives that's also not due to my lack of trying But you get my point. Is your "won't lynch marvellosity" thing a town read thing or a waiting thing? It’s a “bad idea to try and lynch Marv day one thing” when he is playing the game and seems to be enjoying things. Fair, I understand that view. Not sure if I agree but I at least get it. I would definitely be very sad to lynch him, like I said, he's the funniest player so far. That's a pretty big motivator.
People seem to have strong opinions on sandroba and Vivax and I'm just not seeing it right now. (same with Oatsmaster but that's on me for being bad so I expect this, it doesn't worry me yet) Can anyone post or point me to a reasonable explanation of reading sandroba or Vivax? ? Vivax just randomly calling posts town you think is good? Also him bring afraid to post is good? Also him not constantly seeing shadows? AZ calls you blanket top town too and it doesn‘t bother you. Doesn‘t surprise me you‘d miss that detail, so it‘s meh. Honestly I don't think these reasons are very good at all. 1. Vivax isn't very active. I don't think low activity means someone is mafia, this is very underwhelming. 2. Vivax made silly townreads without reason. It's common for people to make early townreads with little/no reasoning, and I think this is especially common for Vivax, actually. No clue why this is supposed to be suspicious. 3. Vivax isn't tinfoily. It's 27.5 hours in, there isn't much to be tinfoily about. That tends to happen more in longer games. 4. That post comes from mafia. I think Vivax is making a valid point in the post, I don't see why it is mafia motivated. So the main thing Oatsmaster has done this game is pretty baseless. You can make tonereads or vibe reads or whatever, but the substance in Oatsmaster's play just isn't there, despite plenty of opportunity.
You quoted my obviously good push on vivax that everyone else in the game liked congrats. What other things in my filter are underwhelming
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On June 08 2024 21:21 AlphaZero wrote:
This game is very weird where people spend their time defending each other and not trying to find mafia .
It’s just trfel tbf
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Doesn’t think Scott is mafia and doesn’t think mocsta is mafia and spends reams of paper explaining why
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On June 08 2024 21:25 Trfel wrote:
If someone asks me about something I'm most likely going to respond. You're going to have to deal with it.
Except when it comes to alpha zero
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On June 08 2024 21:24 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 21:20 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 21:18 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 21:16 AlphaZero wrote:
I want to lynch Scott unless he comes back and shits town flavored rainbows. 🌈
That make sense trfel?? Yes and no, I understand that this is your perspective, but I disagree that doing so makes sense In my opinion this is the towniest game I've ever seen scott31337 play. I'm just not very inclined to lynch him in it tbh. What do you propose then trfel? Kelsier lynch? It’s almost policy at this point. Yes, I've made it pretty clear that I want to lynch Kelsi3r. I don't think any other lynch is anywhere near as good. I don't think it's policy at all, honestly to me it looks most like either: 1 - he got bullied out of the thread or 2 - he got caught and lost motivation to post Obviously I think it's the latter, though if there is reasoning for the former I am willing to reconsider. Policy is lynching someone for activity or something like that. Kelsi3r was around, walked himself into a hole, got caught, and THEN stopped posting. Very, very different.
Can you show this behavior happening through a series of quoted posts?
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On June 08 2024 21:31 AlphaZero wrote:
I will say one thing.
Sandroba needs to do things cause I’m getting antsy.
Rso is right about that.
He’s just not here though. When he’s here the posting is good from what I’ve rwad
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On June 08 2024 21:34 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 21:33 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 21:31 AlphaZero wrote:
I will say one thing.
Sandroba needs to do things cause I’m getting antsy.
Rso is right about that. He’s just not here though. When he’s here the posting is good from what I’ve rwad True, but ‘not here’ tends to be alignment indicative more often than not.
That’s not true
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Of the bottom 3 posters what’s the average hit rate for them to be mafia?
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On June 08 2024 21:40 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 21:33 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 21:31 AlphaZero wrote:
I will say one thing.
Sandroba needs to do things cause I’m getting antsy.
Rso is right about that. He’s just not here though. When he’s here the posting is good from what I’ve rwad oats dude, my impression of sandy is he comes in and parrots the thread and parks on scott who at the time had the most thread sentiment against him i know this comes from focusing overmuch on him parroting what i said on truffle early game when he was stiff as a board, but then he drops truffle. one interpretation is he sees the exact same thing everyone else does later in the game while he's catching up i'll admit it's easy to have 'correct' reads when mirroring thread sentiment after the fact. i don't see anything good or original from him except maybe the kelsier being grumpy makes him town? and it's just stupid weird that he literally says scum!rso has hard pushed me but i think they're just terrible this time and rayn's scum but rayn's metaread on them is giving me more pause over my own experiences with her when she was mafia how does that make sense? yes i'm focused on me but whatever lol >< i'm not pretending to be objective can you actually quote some posts
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Yes everyone can now see vivax is mafia?
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Dmb just a coin flip at this point
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Why are you so concerned about why he left? It’s impossible to know
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How is Sandro not scum reading you rsoul? He’s definitely not townreaidng you based on the quotes you pulled. He also doesn’t trust Rayns read on you based on the quote you pulled that says “who else has rayns experience with rsoul”
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##unvote
I’ll let vivax play
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On June 09 2024 00:55 Vivax wrote:
Everytime I filter the flying dutchwoman it's like I'm reading her having a conversation with herself.
Monologuing herself out of having to push something in perpetuum.
Rsoul?
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On June 09 2024 02:07 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 00:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
How is Sandro not scum reading you rsoul? He’s definitely not townreaidng you based on the quotes you pulled. He also doesn’t trust Rayns read on you based on the quote you pulled that says “who else has rayns experience with rsoul” because i literally asked him who he wanted to lynch and i wasn't in his pile?
Not really sure how that makes you a town read? Your point is invalid if he thinks you are null
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On June 09 2024 02:19 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 02:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 02:07 rsoultin wrote:On June 09 2024 00:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
How is Sandro not scum reading you rsoul? He’s definitely not townreaidng you based on the quotes you pulled. He also doesn’t trust Rayns read on you based on the quote you pulled that says “who else has rayns experience with rsoul” because i literally asked him who he wanted to lynch and i wasn't in his pile? Not really sure how that makes you a town read? Your point is invalid if he thinks you are null disagree
Explain your point again with Sandro having you as null
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On June 09 2024 02:31 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 02:25 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 02:19 rsoultin wrote:On June 09 2024 02:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 02:07 rsoultin wrote:On June 09 2024 00:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
How is Sandro not scum reading you rsoul? He’s definitely not townreaidng you based on the quotes you pulled. He also doesn’t trust Rayns read on you based on the quote you pulled that says “who else has rayns experience with rsoul” because i literally asked him who he wanted to lynch and i wasn't in his pile? Not really sure how that makes you a town read? Your point is invalid if he thinks you are null disagree Explain your point again with Sandro having you as null he should be scumreading me if he's town paranoid scumrso is doing him again, null is weaksauce. others in that list had to be nulls. now go poke elsewhere im going to sleep if you can't understand or disagree with me this wont get you anywhere and it def wont get me anywhere
Why should he be scumreading you? Nobody good goes into games defaulting
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On June 09 2024 02:37 Vivax wrote:
Maybe we just man up and lynch rayn here
Sexist
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I’m trying not to get in your way re Rayn
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On June 09 2024 03:39 Vivax wrote:Yeah you start bringing sexism into the game because I use the English language I am used to. Man up is common. And you do so selectively. You don‘t complain about anyone being called a mofo either. You‘re some dude who thinks he should infitrate games to sabotage a single person evidently. Regardless of his alignment.
woosh
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That sounds like a you problem
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I think vivax is intent on self sabotaging
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Marv do you still think Scott is the lynch today?
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On June 09 2024 05:08 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 04:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Marv do you still think Scott is the lynch today? Tbh I’m not really sure what I’m supposed to be doing here. None of the people who needed to post have posted. The points on Scott haven’t gone away as time elapsed. I understand the vote on rayn but it seems not the play as it’s essentially just policy. I want to flip Scott more than kelsier but I can’t really defend an afk kelsier… Which leaves me that I’m basically okay with both the main wagons which is so unlikely to be the answer…
Yeah I’m not super happy with the situation
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I feel like from a general sense Scott feels very familiar to last game as least from vibes which makes me hesitant to flip over to him over kel
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Rsoul dipped before finishing our convo which is a shame
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We can still flail for a little bit but consolidation time is coming
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On June 09 2024 05:49 scott31337 wrote:
I'm happy to answer any questions as best I can as well.
In a few I'm going to take a nap/rest and be back a few hours before deadline.
I'm content with my vote on keisl3r still at this time.
Thoughts on Sandro rayn and rsoul
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On June 09 2024 06:10 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 05:59 marvellosity wrote:
Inactivity of a few players is going to kill us here tbh.
D1 hard enough without missing a handful. Sorry, I'll have more time tomorrow and will play properly. Besides, I'm not so happy with both wagons.
The last time you weren’t happy you were right tho, what’s a good wagon for you
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Oh wait nvm forgot jat was mafia
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On June 09 2024 06:25 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 06:08 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 05:49 scott31337 wrote:
I'm happy to answer any questions as best I can as well.
In a few I'm going to take a nap/rest and be back a few hours before deadline.
I'm content with my vote on keisl3r still at this time. Thoughts on Sandro rayn and rsoul I haven't liked Sandroba from the start. Probably my #3 scum behind AZ. (Keis is 1st ATM) Rsoul is a townlean at the moment and having quite a few of the same thoughts as I am. Rayn is a slight town lean as well - but he is usually more inquisitive/scum hunting (like our last game) D1 - but with his announced commitment, I'm not lynching him today.
Why do you not like Sandro?
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On June 09 2024 06:45 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 05:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think vivax is easily mafia here though, he’s playing super scared to make posts and has resorted to posting inane townreads probably first good post from you, keep up! There's something comical in here I haven't quite decided what. Maybe add Oats voting him now but iirc Oats was one of my 'inane townreads'.
Nope try again
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On June 09 2024 06:45 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 02:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 02:31 rsoultin wrote:On June 09 2024 02:25 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 02:19 rsoultin wrote:On June 09 2024 02:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 02:07 rsoultin wrote:On June 09 2024 00:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
How is Sandro not scum reading you rsoul? He’s definitely not townreaidng you based on the quotes you pulled. He also doesn’t trust Rayns read on you based on the quote you pulled that says “who else has rayns experience with rsoul” because i literally asked him who he wanted to lynch and i wasn't in his pile? Not really sure how that makes you a town read? Your point is invalid if he thinks you are null disagree Explain your point again with Sandro having you as null he should be scumreading me if he's town paranoid scumrso is doing him again, null is weaksauce. others in that list had to be nulls. now go poke elsewhere im going to sleep if you can't understand or disagree with me this wont get you anywhere and it def wont get me anywhere Why should he be scumreading you? Nobody good goes into games defaulting okay i'm saying from a town!sandro perspective all he remembers of me is when i tunneled him as scum and he ended up losing because he as he put it 'waffled and lost the game'. this is ground zero right before any other input. from his perspective this looks the same to him (or if it doesn't idk why he posted that). and yet when i ask him who he wants to lynch he of course says scott fine that's his scumread, then dbz when she'd only posted the one post that's gotta be a null read, and rayn for liking my 'terrible reasoning' without knowing what it is, moving him from a town lean which implies null but could mean scum. fair cops on all of those from a sandy town perspective, except i should 100% be in that group if he thinks this looks exactly like my scum game where i caused him to lose that's not 'defaulting' into anything. that's a line of reasoning that makes no sense to me. if he doesn't want to lynch me as town!sandy seeing what he thinks is the same thing as my scum game, i'd expect a reason why and i don't see any other than oh rayn who he at least wasn't sure of a couple posts ago says the meta's different like maybe i'm wrong on this but in my world sandy should be either convinced i'm scum or at least very paranoid about it he has no thread presence none he was interacting with past game, up until the point people questioned him on his reads and somehow lands on me as null for what he describes as a 'contrived' read on him because i seemed townie before? like literally all i did before was poke a little and that's the part of my filter marv decided i was doing nothing in that rayn and later truffle jumped on him for. who are sandy's other scumreads that make me just null for him at that point? i don't buy it i mean tbf he did parrot my early reads which were like...everyone's lol >< i could be wrong but i don't think so
if he thinks this looks exactly like my scum game where i caused him to lose
When does he ever say this?
How do you know he’s not paranoid? AFAIK you can’t read his mind
I don’t understand the second part where you say that “he lands on me as null for what he describes as a contrived read on him because I seemed townie before”
What quotes support this
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On June 09 2024 06:49 rsoultin wrote:
read his filter it's two pages long i can't keep doing this with you my god
Answer the first question though?
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On June 09 2024 06:52 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 06:51 rsoultin wrote:
i don't know he's not paranoid, he's not acting paranoid
No, where does he say you are acting like the last game he played with you
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Should I just start posting questions in single posts now? Idk what’s going on
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On June 09 2024 06:54 scott31337 wrote:The major thing(s) with Sandroba is - Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 23:21 sandroba wrote: June 07 2024 10:21 EDT
I actually like k3lsier too, 0 fucks given on mocsta interaction, seems very townie to me And then went to Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 05:43 sandroba wrote: June 07 2024 16:41 EDT
I'm getting weird vibes from kelsier too, but it's not overriding my town read from the mocsta interaction. I'd say I'd prefer if we left him be for today There was a post from Keis - Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 04:05 Kelsi3r wrote:
I like sandro on a filter dire
dont like oats and then dmb/slam havedone fuck all And there's been no Keisler posts from her second message to this Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 06:01 sandroba wrote:
Rayn on rsoul: I had similar thoughts to her from reading the initial pages and had a town lean. Her random call out on me seems contrived because she herself does not comment on anything else besides accusing me of lack of commentary. If she really believes I missed something important or more telling than the stuff on scott I would expect she would have commented on that when re-entering the thread. She is in the null pile
on kelsier his dismissive attitude towards mocsta's post and not making an effort to understand where he was coming from was totally carefree, it felt really townie I just have no ideas of her thoughts besides lynch scott - maybe oats townlean and rsoul null.
Not really seeing any inconsistency here, he thinks the mocsta-kelsier thing is townie enough for him not to lynch Kelsie’s today, what’s the problem you are trying to point out?
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On June 09 2024 06:55 rsoultin wrote:
you ask for quotes you don't read them it's driving me insane oats maybe if i repeat it a billion times you'll get it jfc
Maybe my reading comprehension is poor but I don’t see a single line where he says “Rsoul is playing in this game like the previous game where she was mafia”
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On June 09 2024 07:03 Mocsta wrote:
I'm becoming more and more open to lynch outside kelsier
He doesn't looked bullied out to me as his tone is pretty consistent start to finish
I still think his tone specifically to me is more unhelpful mafia than town, however the nonchalantness is somewhat consistent even after which I am.imcreasingly.viewing as townie
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I really don't want to vote Scott for mason stuff
Is there a case outside of that?
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Rsoultin I will give sandroba a read
Who are your top 3 town reads
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On June 09 2024 07:16 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 07:14 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 06:55 rsoultin wrote:
you ask for quotes you don't read them it's driving me insane oats maybe if i repeat it a billion times you'll get it jfc Maybe my reading comprehension is poor but I don’t see a single line where he says “Rsoul is playing in this game like the previous game where she was mafia” -_-
Is that not the point you are making?
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from his perspective this looks the same to him (or if it doesn't idk why he posted that)
Okay so I think I figured it out. Your assumption is that the only reason Sandro even brought up the last game is because he sees similarities.
I personally think if he did see similarities he would’ve said so, so we can agree to disagree here.
I do agree that Sandro has negative thread presence. That’s the strongest argument that I’ve seen about Sandro being mafia
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On June 09 2024 07:23 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 07:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 07:16 rsoultin wrote:On June 09 2024 07:14 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 06:55 rsoultin wrote:
you ask for quotes you don't read them it's driving me insane oats maybe if i repeat it a billion times you'll get it jfc Maybe my reading comprehension is poor but I don’t see a single line where he says “Rsoul is playing in this game like the previous game where she was mafia” -_- Is that not the point you are making? it is. you're right, this: Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 03:24 sandroba wrote:On June 08 2024 03:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 03:16 sandroba wrote:On June 08 2024 03:01 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 02:56 sandroba wrote:On June 08 2024 00:25 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2024 23:18 sandroba wrote:
So far I like rayn and trfel as town. So what was the point of your comment on Trfel?! Felt off and stood out to me at that point on the thread, I'm content with not pursuing it since further reading points to town. you stole my story who do you wanna lynch if it's not still scott? i'm bored of the scott conversation I'm not over scott. That single post by dmb then fucking off does look really bad, could get behind that. Rayn liking your terrible reasoning without knowing what it is also moves him away from my townie lean what are you talking about regarding me? You said you liked rsoul read on me, then asked her what is the case against me. Explain I "like her read" (lets put it this way -- because i do not necessarily agree with it) on you because in my experience rsoultin hates lying and taking a stance like that (which is not completely unreasonable), points towards her being town. I mean i can go further into this if you want to, but i just dont think she would accuse town!sandroba as mafia!rsoultin (even less if youre both mafia) like that. Basically i don't agree with her, that what you said and did makes you mafia, but i think it makes her town. Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 03:39 sandroba wrote:
The game I most remember with rsoul she was mafia and antagonized and accused me the whole game. I remember it because it caused me to waffle on her and lose the game. Can anyone corroborate this rsoul meta rayn is pointing out?
Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 03:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 03:39 sandroba wrote:
The game I most remember with rsoul she was mafia and antagonized and accused me the whole game. I remember it because it caused me to waffle on her and lose the game. Can anyone corroborate this rsoul meta rayn is pointing out?
she does that as mafia, you are right. this however does not look like that. is not literally saying this looks like my scum game with him. it's just strongly implying it
It looks to me like Sandro is disagreeing with Rayns meta read on you that’s all. Nothing specially to do with your play this game
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On June 09 2024 07:24 rsoultin wrote:
as is saying my read on him is 'contrived' because presumably people don't think townies make up reads
Why would townies make up reads?
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On June 09 2024 07:30 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 07:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 07:24 rsoultin wrote:
as is saying my read on him is 'contrived' because presumably people don't think townies make up reads Why would townies make up reads? that's the point? he said my read's contrived and still has me at null
Why wouldn’t he be pushing you as scum!sandro though
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On June 09 2024 07:41 Vivax wrote:
We can‘t have 4 votes on the loose now cmon thread
We are two loose votes no?
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On June 09 2024 07:41 rsoultin wrote:
idk really that's just my impression. i'm not usually considered lynchable d1 and i'm annoying
Idk I guess sure I’m not totally opposed to this
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On June 09 2024 07:46 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 07:39 Vivax wrote:
I‘m comfy with Az taking the reins here. They seem competent and townish to me.
Them pitting Oats against me was a bit dickish tho If you do this, He's going to want to lynch me and I'll flip town. Only if you lynch him D2 is this a suitable outcome.
? Why would you want him to die after you?
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On June 09 2024 07:48 rsoultin wrote:
okay i feel like i've explained to death why i want to lynch sandy. like i'll still answer questions if people really need me to but idk what more there is to say about it. if ppl aren't convinced yet i don't expect they will be
talk to me about rayn since you're voting him
Trying to see who’s in the weeds
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On June 09 2024 07:56 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 07:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 07:46 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 07:39 Vivax wrote:
I‘m comfy with Az taking the reins here. They seem competent and townish to me.
Them pitting Oats against me was a bit dickish tho If you do this, He's going to want to lynch me and I'll flip town. Only if you lynch him D2 is this a suitable outcome. ? Why would you want him to die after you? Because I think he is mafia pushing my mislynch. He's my #2 at the moment.
Why is AZ mafia? Did I miss something
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On June 09 2024 08:01 rsoultin wrote:
that's mocsta, me, scott, anyone else?
idk if oats's post means he's fine with a sandy lynch or just understands where my thought process is coming from
I understand where your thought process comes from, still deliberating about actually voting for him
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On June 09 2024 08:03 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 08:29 scott31337 wrote:I've read the thread but I've had a long day at work as well, so am a bit tired. I searched my name in Alpha's filter - 20 times at the moment And if you have been paying attention - keeps calling me scummy. I search for Vivax - On June 07 2024 12:12 AlphaZero wrote:
Vivax looks town. 20 hours ago The rest is quotes from Vivax or others saying his name. A post an hour ago Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him And now he votes for him. But AZ has been calling me scummy all game so far. Seems suspicious to me. @Oatsmaster, it's really not that hard to find.
It’s like it’s actually useful to ask someone to to justify their read. This cannot be the only thing.
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On June 09 2024 08:02 Trfel wrote:
Sorry, had some stuff going on. Will be mostly present until the deadline I think.
I note that Oatsmaster has not only antagonized me, but also now Vivax and rsoultin. I don't know what to make of this, but I really really don't like it.
I was expecting to have more thoughts but honestly I kinda don't. Whoops.
I don't have a reason to townread sandroba but I am just not convinced by the reasons to suspect him? Sorry if I'm just being bad. Like it wouldn't be the worst thing ever but it seems far from ideal to me.
If we're reaching here already, I'd like to suggest Oatsmaster or Alakaslam. Oatsmaster because he seems to be deliberately antagonizing people, Alakaslam due to the self-conscious thing at the start and overall lack of activity (which may not be a mafia indicator but maybe is worth a try anyway?). I still think Kelsi3r makes by far the most sense but if we want to do something else I can get over it for now.
Can you explain with quotes how I’m deliberately antagonizing people?
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Slam does have a very recentl mafia game if you wanna look at it trfel
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On June 09 2024 08:10 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 08:00 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 07:56 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 07:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 07:46 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 07:39 Vivax wrote:
I‘m comfy with Az taking the reins here. They seem competent and townish to me.
Them pitting Oats against me was a bit dickish tho If you do this, He's going to want to lynch me and I'll flip town. Only if you lynch him D2 is this a suitable outcome. ? Why would you want him to die after you? Because I think he is mafia pushing my mislynch. He's my #2 at the moment. Why is AZ mafia? Did I miss something One of my biggest pet peeves is repeating myself. Just think from a town perspective - What are his reads? Besides lynch scott? Yes, he's probably #2 in posts/forums but.. what's it consist of? You slipped and said jat, and that makes sense too. I thought it was DP - but it was definitely someone who obs'd the last game i was in and likes to use the word "sus". But JAT makes sense too. Anyway, not super important who AZ actually is, but I just see mafia jumping on the scott mason and GG'ing me out.
So no reads, many inconsequential posts? That’s all it takes for top mafia read #2?
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On June 08 2024 19:56 AlphaZero wrote:
Couple of thoughts after Mocsta interactions
- it seems to me like he is drawing conclusions and then making really terrible justifications for them rather than acting with a curious and open mind to determine alignments
- it seems to me he is cautious and almost apologetic when pushing me, despite being his 2nd? Largest scum read. Tracks as mafia lynching town, not as town who thinks they have got a lead on mafia.
- his reasoning and justifications are awful and nonsensical.
the problem I am having is I do t know why he would play like this as either alignment.
- option 1 he is tying himself up into knots because he is pushing mafia agenda
-option 2 he is town and he legitimately thinks these things.
I view option 1 more likely through my lens of how the game should be played, and what is reasonable to expect from town and mafia.
It seems trfel thinks the other option would be more likely.
I’d just like to get some more thoughts itt about this.
This is a read and a consequential post
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On June 08 2024 18:01 AlphaZero wrote:
It's probably mocsta/scott/xxx someone like vivax or slam
Reads
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He calls me town earlier too
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On June 09 2024 08:13 rsoultin wrote:
i'd argue the slam lynch tells us nothing if he's scum? i don't hate it but i also don't think you're going to learn much from it whereas people have taken stances on sandy throughout the game
same with kelsier and scott
like even if we mislynch that's way more information because we were all talking about them to some extent than lynching the absent person. you mentioned the self-conscious thing before are there like specific games you're getting that from (sorry if i missed that part)
Nah we aren’t lynching for info that’s not a thing. (Info that is not related to blue roles)
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On June 09 2024 08:20 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 08:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 19:56 AlphaZero wrote:
Couple of thoughts after Mocsta interactions
- it seems to me like he is drawing conclusions and then making really terrible justifications for them rather than acting with a curious and open mind to determine alignments
- it seems to me he is cautious and almost apologetic when pushing me, despite being his 2nd? Largest scum read. Tracks as mafia lynching town, not as town who thinks they have got a lead on mafia.
- his reasoning and justifications are awful and nonsensical.
the problem I am having is I do t know why he would play like this as either alignment.
- option 1 he is tying himself up into knots because he is pushing mafia agenda
-option 2 he is town and he legitimately thinks these things.
I view option 1 more likely through my lens of how the game should be played, and what is reasonable to expect from town and mafia.
It seems trfel thinks the other option would be more likely.
I’d just like to get some more thoughts itt about this.
This is a read and a consequential post relevance? Is this for Scott or are you shitting up the thread?
It’s for Scott
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On June 09 2024 08:22 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 08:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 18:01 AlphaZero wrote:
It's probably mocsta/scott/xxx someone like vivax or slam Reads It's "probably" - means a got a cop out when none of it's true And I only suspect maybe one mafia in that list
Stop shifting the goalposts
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On June 09 2024 08:44 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 08:41 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 06:26 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 06:10 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 05:59 marvellosity wrote:
Inactivity of a few players is going to kill us here tbh.
D1 hard enough without missing a handful. Sorry, I'll have more time tomorrow and will play properly. Besides, I'm not so happy with both wagons. Well you still need to vote too Who would you like to lynch today in a perfect world? Tbr i would like to lynch az. Also I hate the first lynch after it it always gets easier. Most of the time lynch 1 is misslynch anway. I am stucking at work with a group of austrian mafia, good that tomorrow they are gone. Scott i don't really townread you but for now I don't want to lynch, I rather take K who is more inactiv and I think it would be a more logical lynch. I am really sorry for beeing this inactiv today. Tomorrow I will be here ##vote k Townie post :-) Az and Oats just dropped a lot in my book. But that‘s for another day
My brother in Christ I followed you onto rayn
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On June 09 2024 08:58 AlphaZero wrote:
Unless you think me and Marv are mafia or the mafia is afk while their buddy gets lynched.
Mafia are voting for Kelsier here almost certainly.
Sure but how does that make him not mafia
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On June 09 2024 09:05 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 09:00 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 08:58 AlphaZero wrote:
Unless you think me and Marv are mafia or the mafia is afk while their buddy gets lynched.
Mafia are voting for Kelsier here almost certainly.
or not voting at all ;p On June 09 2024 08:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Not Voting (3): Alakaslam, raynpelikoneet, Kelsi3r
That’s why it doesn’t work. Why aren’t they posting to save their scum buddy who has been the leading lynch candidate all game. You think mafia are content to afk while they lose their partner? I think not.
If their mafia buddy (kel) is afk I don’t know how they can save him
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On June 09 2024 09:10 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 09:08 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 08:44 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 08:41 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 06:26 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 06:10 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 05:59 marvellosity wrote:
Inactivity of a few players is going to kill us here tbh.
D1 hard enough without missing a handful. Sorry, I'll have more time tomorrow and will play properly. Besides, I'm not so happy with both wagons. Well you still need to vote too Who would you like to lynch today in a perfect world? Tbr i would like to lynch az. Also I hate the first lynch after it it always gets easier. Most of the time lynch 1 is misslynch anway. I am stucking at work with a group of austrian mafia, good that tomorrow they are gone. Scott i don't really townread you but for now I don't want to lynch, I rather take K who is more inactiv and I think it would be a more logical lynch. I am really sorry for beeing this inactiv today. Tomorrow I will be here ##vote k Townie post :-) Az and Oats just dropped a lot in my book. But that‘s for another day My brother in Christ I followed you onto rayn Explain why Kelsier is mafia and Scott is not?
Could be both
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On June 09 2024 09:13 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 09:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 09:10 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 09:08 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 08:44 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 08:41 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 06:26 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 06:10 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 05:59 marvellosity wrote:
Inactivity of a few players is going to kill us here tbh.
D1 hard enough without missing a handful. Sorry, I'll have more time tomorrow and will play properly. Besides, I'm not so happy with both wagons. Well you still need to vote too Who would you like to lynch today in a perfect world? Tbr i would like to lynch az. Also I hate the first lynch after it it always gets easier. Most of the time lynch 1 is misslynch anway. I am stucking at work with a group of austrian mafia, good that tomorrow they are gone. Scott i don't really townread you but for now I don't want to lynch, I rather take K who is more inactiv and I think it would be a more logical lynch. I am really sorry for beeing this inactiv today. Tomorrow I will be here ##vote k Townie post :-) Az and Oats just dropped a lot in my book. But that‘s for another day My brother in Christ I followed you onto rayn Explain why Kelsier is mafia and Scott is not? Could be both Yet you never voted for Scott and said he was not mafia. Please explain.
You’ve swayed me but I prefer kel
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Koshi what did your role pm say
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On June 09 2024 11:07 scott31337 wrote:
Dangit
I still want AZ or Sandroba for tomorrow
Marv/Rayn wild card
Lol your biggest challenge tmr will be surviving, you don’t get to choose the lynch
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On June 09 2024 11:17 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 11:08 scott31337 wrote:
Think strategically as town
Who will they shoot
Usually the wisest - or the one who's on to the mafia track
I'll chat more tomorrow Like do mafia actually post this?! It’s so banal
Actually exit my head pls thx
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On June 09 2024 11:21 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 11:14 marvellosity wrote:
Not a very surprising flip.
I will try to flip my reads tomorrow. Something is broken. I don’t know about Scott tbh. Was I just on the other lynch bait wagon? I don’t think so. I think mafia lynched the town wagon. Explains why I couldn’t get any traction and the weird votes without explanation on kels.
Which votes were weird
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On June 09 2024 11:21 marvellosity wrote:
Just spotted Koshi rsoul replacement. That’s annoying.
Nah if he’s mafia it’s ez
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On June 09 2024 11:24 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 11:22 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 11:21 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 11:14 marvellosity wrote:
Not a very surprising flip.
I will try to flip my reads tomorrow. Something is broken. I don’t know about Scott tbh. Was I just on the other lynch bait wagon? I don’t think so. I think mafia lynched the town wagon. Explains why I couldn’t get any traction and the weird votes without explanation on kels. Which votes were weird Rayn, yours, dmb
Explain?
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On June 09 2024 11:26 Mocsta wrote:
oats.. were you lurking before deadline?
Nah the last post I made was the last post I could make before deadline
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On June 09 2024 11:30 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 11:22 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 11:21 marvellosity wrote:
Just spotted Koshi rsoul replacement. That’s annoying. Nah if he’s mafia it’s ez This probably isn’t going to make sense but my brain went like this: Kelsier town. Okay I’m not surprised Am I wrong on Scott? Are my expectations incorrect here? If im wrong on Scott, what does that mean for my view of the game? Is AZ mafia? Like maybe, but also i think he does believe what he’s saying about Scott so probably not (so my brain is telling me Scott town apparently?) Then why is rsoul so comvinced that Scott is lynch bait? Is this TMI maybe? Then I don’t get to question rsoul on any of this
Game play wise it’s unfortunate yeah
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On June 09 2024 11:35 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 11:30 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 11:22 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 11:21 marvellosity wrote:
Just spotted Koshi rsoul replacement. That’s annoying. Nah if he’s mafia it’s ez This probably isn’t going to make sense but my brain went like this: Kelsier town. Okay I’m not surprised Am I wrong on Scott? Are my expectations incorrect here? If im wrong on Scott, what does that mean for my view of the game? Is AZ mafia? Like maybe, but also i think he does believe what he’s saying about Scott so probably not (so my brain is telling me Scott town apparently?) Then why is rsoul so comvinced that Scott is lynch bait? Is this TMI maybe? Then I don’t get to question rsoul on any of this I just feel this is marv town thinking or we're screwed. This is the marv posting we need in daytime. Which sucks Keis flipped town now AZ is going to be on me more that I'm mafia. Just think realistically.
? You think you survived how exactly
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On June 09 2024 11:37 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 11:35 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 11:30 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 11:22 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 11:21 marvellosity wrote:
Just spotted Koshi rsoul replacement. That’s annoying. Nah if he’s mafia it’s ez This probably isn’t going to make sense but my brain went like this: Kelsier town. Okay I’m not surprised Am I wrong on Scott? Are my expectations incorrect here? If im wrong on Scott, what does that mean for my view of the game? Is AZ mafia? Like maybe, but also i think he does believe what he’s saying about Scott so probably not (so my brain is telling me Scott town apparently?) Then why is rsoul so comvinced that Scott is lynch bait? Is this TMI maybe? Then I don’t get to question rsoul on any of this I just feel this is marv town thinking or we're screwed. This is the marv posting we need in daytime. Which sucks Keis flipped town now AZ is going to be on me more that I'm mafia. Just think realistically. maybe it´s town marv, but would town marv post like this in the night?
He doesn’t care about night things
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On June 09 2024 11:47 marvellosity wrote:
Look if if I’m gonna play a bit drunk can people please try to make sense :p
I don’t really like how alphazero seems to hard hard townread me then get sketched out by me voting for kel especially because it seems like he really agrees with my reads
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On June 09 2024 11:53 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 11:47 marvellosity wrote:
Look if if I’m gonna play a bit drunk can people please try to make sense :p I don’t really like how alphazero seems to hard hard townread me then get sketched out by me voting for kel especially because it seems like he really agrees with my reads This is only valid if something more than this comes from it later. So you should probably have sat on that feeling
I’m not getting night killed
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On June 09 2024 11:53 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 11:39 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 11:36 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 11:32 marvellosity wrote:
I think the rsoul/Koshi spot is mafia tbh explain pls If I take the worldview that Scott is town, then the case almost makes itself Scott being scum wouldn’t exclude rsoul being scum, how do you get to think that ?
That’s not what marv is saying though? He’s just saying if Scott town, rsoul mafia. No other connections
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Oh I think marv was referencing something else with alpha it’s fine
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On June 09 2024 11:55 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 11:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 11:53 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 11:47 marvellosity wrote:
Look if if I’m gonna play a bit drunk can people please try to make sense :p I don’t really like how alphazero seems to hard hard townread me then get sketched out by me voting for kel especially because it seems like he really agrees with my reads This is only valid if something more than this comes from it later. So you should probably have sat on that feeling I’m not getting night killed ?
What?
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On June 09 2024 12:09 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 12:08 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 11:55 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 11:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 11:53 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 11:47 marvellosity wrote:
Look if if I’m gonna play a bit drunk can people please try to make sense :p I don’t really like how alphazero seems to hard hard townread me then get sketched out by me voting for kel especially because it seems like he really agrees with my reads This is only valid if something more than this comes from it later. So you should probably have sat on that feeling I’m not getting night killed ? What? why are you not getting nk? Are you mafia?
Yes I’m totally mafia and I just slipped that I can’t get night killed of course
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On June 09 2024 12:14 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 12:12 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 12:09 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 12:08 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 11:55 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 11:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 11:53 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 11:47 marvellosity wrote:
Look if if I’m gonna play a bit drunk can people please try to make sense :p I don’t really like how alphazero seems to hard hard townread me then get sketched out by me voting for kel especially because it seems like he really agrees with my reads This is only valid if something more than this comes from it later. So you should probably have sat on that feeling I’m not getting night killed ? What? why are you not getting nk? Are you mafia? Yes I’m totally mafia and I just slipped that I can’t get night killed of course who are you mafia buddys?
My dogs
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Slam and rsoul were the last two votes on kel, didn’t realize it was that close
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Vivax current read on dmb?
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On June 09 2024 09:56 Vivax wrote:This was a ninja btw. I voted scott again based on what I think is a recent bad blunder. + Show Spoiler +And I also think I know who tried to impersonate me, and probably made me appear worse than I was. But that‘s game unrelated. Sucks for them when I decided to not make them want to be me
What bad blunder was this vivax
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On June 09 2024 12:48 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 09:56 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 09:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote Kelsi3r This was a ninja btw. I voted scott again based on what I think is a recent bad blunder. + Show Spoiler +And I also think I know who tried to impersonate me, and probably made me appear worse than I was. But that‘s game unrelated. Sucks for them when I decided to not make them want to be me What bad blunder was this vivax If it isn‘t obvious to you then you must be engaged in hate speech.
You were wrong about the mocsta thing lmao you have no room
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Alpha, why would 3 strong players on someone mean they are mafia? Those 3 strong players aren’t confirmed town either
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[QUOTE]On June 09 2024 17:47 AlphaZero wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 09 2024 17:40 marvellosity wrote:
I will mull your oats point[/QUOTE]
Like not just oats though that wagon was obviously shot just by the
Let’s say sand is town. Then there are three strong players on the Scott wagon, and they are all town. And there is zero traction.
That means mafia wanted to lynch kels.
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That’s not what it means at all? There are at least 4 town on the kel wagon
It could mean that mafia didn’t care who got lynched or they didn’t want to have to explain their Scott!town vote
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Bleh still think that’s readable sorry not sorry.
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On June 09 2024 20:25 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 18:03 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 17:59 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 17:57 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 17:57 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 17:53 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 17:52 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2024 17:47 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 17:40 marvellosity wrote:
I will mull your oats point Like not just oats though that wagon was obviously shot just by the economics of it. And I pointed it out and no one cared. There was some kind of inertia with kels as the chosen ml. Let’s say sand is town. Then there are three strong players on the Scott wagon, and they are all town. And there is zero traction. That means mafia wanted to lynch kels. If so, why is that? I cared but didn’t really know what I was supposed to do about it Yea, me neither. What does that mean Marv? I know the conclusion you’re getting at, I’m just not sure I totally believe it. Which I know sounds dumb, because kels flipping town shouldn’t force me to look at Scott as townier. Dunno there was just something about Scott’s posting last night. I should reread it sober but I’m lazy so I won’t. To be honest I’m very irritated Scott has twice ignored my question to him - the “why would scum marv” do that question. Scott - I am still waiting on your take little buddy I’m also aware this post is a giant walking contradiction, but here we are. Well if you think Scott is town then you need to look at me and sand more closely. Because splitting the wagons makes much more sense The problem is I can’t see sand’s posts as scummy as I don’t think they are. I think investment/activity is a better metric for sand than for most, so it will have to be that basis i proceed on I am sort of just assuming you’re DP, in all honesty. Which actually makes it more likely you can be mafia here. But it’s hard to see or explore that when you’re invested and you think things that I think 🤷♂️ It's iamp
Wrong time zone
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On June 09 2024 20:52 marvellosity wrote:
In that world, does DMB know it was tvt?
Her reason for tr Scott was weak
She did this in the long game too but she was wrong/town
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On June 09 2024 20:58 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 20:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 20:52 marvellosity wrote:
In that world, does DMB know it was tvt?
Her reason for tr Scott was weak She did this in the long game too but she was wrong/town Same lack of reasoning?
From what I remember yes
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On June 09 2024 21:00 AlphaZero wrote:
Oats what are your actual reads? Do you still think Scott is mafia?
I’m gonna hold off on my actual reads for a bit but what I’ve been thinking about Scott are a couple of scenarios. Nothing to do with his play atm
Firstly, if Scott is town a strong mafia team would’ve done their best to get him lynched yesterday because we just lynch kel after that almost assuredly. So im assuming its not a strong mafia team in this scenario, probably 1 or 0 mafia on Scott in this scenario
If Scott is mafia then I doubt there was more than 1 mafia on the wagon. I guess this is where my reads are atm, koshi is the only one on that wagon I’d want to lynch soon based on his play
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On June 09 2024 21:36 Trfel wrote:
@AlphaZero, for what it's worth I wasn't trying to "lead" anything.
@marvellosity, I'd consider lowering sandroba for sure. Maybe Vivax too but he might be fine there (I'm probably just paranoid). And I honestly would put Koshi higher, which I know you don't want to hear.
Could be wrong, the one game I played with mafia!Koshi had the slight issue of me also being mafia so I didn't play, so idk what mafia!Koshi is like, but if I had to guess I don't think it would be this.
@Oatsmaster, why wouldn't the reverse apply? Like, why wouldn't mafia be happy lynching town!Kelsi3r and saving the town!scott31337 lynch for tomorrow?
Because kel is an infinitely easier lynch tmr?
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Trfel wouldn’t play like this as mafia im almost certain
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Self righteous behavior is town realm 100 times outta 100
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On June 09 2024 22:41 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 21:19 marvellosity wrote:
Trfel
AZ
Vivax
Oats
Sand
Mocsta
Scott
DMB
Koshi
Rayn
Slam
Let’s say this is a very rough order because beyond near the top a lot can move about. And it doesn’t even really mean I think slam is most likely to be mafia either. I just didn’t know where else to put him.
Who do you guys reckon I’ve got quite a lot wrong? Koshi too low. Scott and sand too high. You could put Mocsta above oats maybe too
Curious on your thoughts on Rayn, anything stick out specifically?
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On June 09 2024 23:02 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 23:00 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 22:52 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 22:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 21:36 Trfel wrote:
@AlphaZero, for what it's worth I wasn't trying to "lead" anything.
@marvellosity, I'd consider lowering sandroba for sure. Maybe Vivax too but he might be fine there (I'm probably just paranoid). And I honestly would put Koshi higher, which I know you don't want to hear.
Could be wrong, the one game I played with mafia!Koshi had the slight issue of me also being mafia so I didn't play, so idk what mafia!Koshi is like, but if I had to guess I don't think it would be this.
@Oatsmaster, why wouldn't the reverse apply? Like, why wouldn't mafia be happy lynching town!Kelsi3r and saving the town!scott31337 lynch for tomorrow? Because kel is an infinitely easier lynch tmr? You think so? I think scott31337 is a pretty easy lynch tomorrow (or at any point), but I could see that being wrong I suppose. Other than me and rsoultin, I don't think anyone was particularly vocal about not lynching scott31337?
@AlphaZero, I don't really have much to add. I tend to be right when I defend people suspected by most of the game, I think there was one time I was wrong maybe? But maybe you're right, I can stop, if scott31337 dies then so be it. Dmb wouldn't vote Scott It was literally in the post you last responded to me about I reckon dmb is not trying to solve the game and is scummy She said she wouldn't lynch scott31337 at this time but left the door wide, wide open for doing so in the future. So I wouldn't consider that a deterrent for future lynches. Yes, I agree that die_meatbaby could definitely be mafia. Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 10:01 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 08 2024 09:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 09:46 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 08 2024 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 09:04 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 08 2024 08:17 AlphaZero wrote:
I’ll lynch vivax with you oats.
Vote:vivax Is first time you play with vivax? I am used to always read vivax first because for me are 2 option with vivax first when i am mafia I have to get him out of the game as fast as possibole second is if i am town he is still the "easiest" read for me. If vivax is mafia he just posting random shit, jokes, memes, off the topic stuff and hating the government of austria if he is Town he actually trys to tell us his opinion, try to find scummy shit, beeing paranoid about chez but he is not in the game and hating the government of austria. For me he looks like Town (atm) you have any other scum reads? Source on the mafia meta read? Are you looking for the weakest players again like in your last mafia game? I’d go after you no? Why would I go after vivax? Answer the question please I just wanted to remind you you cannot make the same bs twice Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 10:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 08 2024 10:13 rsoultin wrote:
i mean the having icky vibes off az i can identify with but maybe your time would be better spent catching up if you're just throwing shade at oats because he was pushing you as mafia in an earlier game I am not pushing him as mafia(atm). i just wanted to remind him that some things should not be done twice Maybe I'm making something out of nothing, but these posts are at least worth looking into? Why would die_meatbaby, as town, warn someone not to do something that would give them away as mafia?
Because that’s who she is lol
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On June 09 2024 23:30 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 23:00 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 22:52 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 22:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 21:36 Trfel wrote:
@AlphaZero, for what it's worth I wasn't trying to "lead" anything.
@marvellosity, I'd consider lowering sandroba for sure. Maybe Vivax too but he might be fine there (I'm probably just paranoid). And I honestly would put Koshi higher, which I know you don't want to hear.
Could be wrong, the one game I played with mafia!Koshi had the slight issue of me also being mafia so I didn't play, so idk what mafia!Koshi is like, but if I had to guess I don't think it would be this.
@Oatsmaster, why wouldn't the reverse apply? Like, why wouldn't mafia be happy lynching town!Kelsi3r and saving the town!scott31337 lynch for tomorrow? Because kel is an infinitely easier lynch tmr? You think so? I think scott31337 is a pretty easy lynch tomorrow (or at any point), but I could see that being wrong I suppose. Other than me and rsoultin, I don't think anyone was particularly vocal about not lynching scott31337?
@AlphaZero, I don't really have much to add. I tend to be right when I defend people suspected by most of the game, I think there was one time I was wrong maybe? But maybe you're right, I can stop, if scott31337 dies then so be it. Dmb wouldn't vote Scott It was literally in the post you last responded to me about I reckon dmb is not trying to solve the game and is scummy I try and i will even try more as soon as the people here getting activ. How the fuck should i find out who the fuck is mafia if half of the people not playing where is slam, sandro, rayn,..... guys come on pls write something here.
This is just mafia yes? She has an entire day she hasn’t read and she is coming in here complaining about 3 players outta the 11 remaining not posting, curiously the same complaint as az and marv
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On June 09 2024 23:53 Vivax wrote:
I have a townread on dmb fwiw. She seems very relaxed tonally.
I‘d like a doc on marv.
I‘d like rayn to play the game.
I love GabeN
From her 3 posts in the last 24 hours?
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On June 10 2024 00:39 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 00:21 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 09 2024 23:53 Vivax wrote:
I have a townread on dmb fwiw. She seems very relaxed tonally.
I‘d like a doc on marv.
I‘d like rayn to play the game.
I love GabeN From her 3 posts in the last 24 hours? She‘s a busy bee
Not really sure how posting the same thing essentially 3-4 times is “relaxed tonally”, can you explain and present an example of mafia dmb please
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On June 10 2024 01:00 Vivax wrote:
What I mean by relaxed is that I don‘t believe she‘s faking the effort.
That‘s ultimately what it comes down to. We‘re eliminating players we think are faking their effort.
I‘m on the lookout for stuff that comes across as forced and I don‘t see it in her.
You need effort to play as mafia too lol what is this take
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On June 10 2024 01:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fwiw istill think marv is mafia, read a vouple of pages after my vote rn and i dot think the psition around me and rsoul and me comes from town without further investigation.
This just OMGUS no? Lmao
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On June 10 2024 01:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 01:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 01:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fwiw istill think marv is mafia, read a vouple of pages after my vote rn and i dot think the psition around me and rsoul and me comes from town without further investigation. This just OMGUS no? Lmao If there is omgus here it's from his part, not mine.
You don’t seem to understand why he made that statement. Why are you calling him mafia?
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On June 10 2024 02:29 Koshi wrote:
Just kill sandroba mocsta and then figure out the rest. Marv is talking way too much. Maybe third is dmb or so. I havent read anything from ger.
Are you fully caught up?
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On June 10 2024 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 02:23 AlphaZero wrote:
Rayn why did you ask to be masonry day 1? Because i like to talk with someone in private. I know where youre getting at, not a good point. I'd know that a mafia and it would be a bad thing for me. If you think i am lying about my responsibilities and time constraints outside the game just say so. Thats a valid case, unfortunately wrong, but i cant do anything about it if peoplechoose to believe you.
Ez ask to make if your teammate got it with no intention of making you Mason
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On June 10 2024 02:46 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 21:19 marvellosity wrote:
Trfel
AZ
Vivax
Oats
Sand
Mocsta
Scott
DMB
Koshi
Rayn
Slam
Let’s say this is a very rough order because beyond near the top a lot can move about. And it doesn’t even really mean I think slam is most likely to be mafia either. I just didn’t know where else to put him.
Who do you guys reckon I’ve got quite a lot wrong? Sand is way too high AZ is WAY TOO high Koshi is way too low Otherwise it's reasonable lol
Why is koshi in any way town for you?
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On June 10 2024 03:44 AlphaZero wrote:
Just so we are clear for people like trfel and Marv.
When invited to give any reason at all for his biggest scum read of the game Scott didn’t answer and said some bs about the nk that makes no sense.
Then left the thread. He did this because there is no genuine thought process behind his reads. So he couldnt answer and deflected instead.
This is not a bad argument or lynch bait thing.
This is something that comes from mafia.
That’s literally a lynch bait thing how many games have you played?
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On June 10 2024 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 03:45 marvellosity wrote:On June 10 2024 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 03:36 marvellosity wrote:On June 10 2024 03:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fuck, maybe i am just stupid. All time best rayn post? definitely not. why did you call koshi "smelly" instead of mafia? ??? I’ve called him mafia very explicitly. Does every post need to be worded exactly the same? yes i think mafia should be spelled mafia or scum
Uncouth
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On June 10 2024 04:10 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 04:07 marvellosity wrote:On June 10 2024 04:05 Koshi wrote:On June 10 2024 04:03 AlphaZero wrote:On June 10 2024 04:01 Koshi wrote:
marv. After the game. Please remember to tell me why you would scumread me so hard over Mocsta and sandroba. It’s cause you called him mafia for bad reasons. Well, if Mocsta and Sandroba the reasons are pretty good. They really aren’t though. I don’t understand how you can (or could) think my (multiple) attacks on Mocsta would be bussing? How pointless would that be from me? Because I see them as "attacks". I thought Mocsta didn't answer them good enough for you to switch on him. But you did. Which was odd. Same with Sandroba. That weird answer your own question into hardtownreading him seemed way too hasty and lazy. On top of that you were the first or second vote on a scott who I townread. Reasons are legit.
So the scum team is Sandro marv and mocsta and they all tried to lynch Scott and failed? Good theory
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On June 10 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:
There is no way in hell scott is mafia. I read 3 pages and I know enough.
Koshi falling into the classic too many townread trap
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On June 10 2024 04:42 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 04:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 03:44 AlphaZero wrote:
Just so we are clear for people like trfel and Marv.
When invited to give any reason at all for his biggest scum read of the game Scott didn’t answer and said some bs about the nk that makes no sense.
Then left the thread. He did this because there is no genuine thought process behind his reads. So he couldnt answer and deflected instead.
This is not a bad argument or lynch bait thing.
This is something that comes from mafia. That’s literally a lynch bait thing how many games have you played? I thought you were convinced on scott
Nah I don’t think I was ever convinced on Scott
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On June 10 2024 05:08 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 05:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:
There is no way in hell scott is mafia. I read 3 pages and I know enough. Koshi falling into the classic too many townread trap Nha as long as I don't townread Mocsta Sandroba and for example Slam I am still good. As mafia for sure because I wouldn't expect town to actually lynch my scumreads.
I’m assuming you still think marv is scum so you have 4 non hard townreads, none of which make sense together
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On June 10 2024 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 05:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:
There is no way in hell scott is mafia. I read 3 pages and I know enough. Koshi falling into the classic too many townread trap is he falling or mafia?
It’s a trap mafia fall into yes
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On June 10 2024 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 05:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 05:08 Koshi wrote:On June 10 2024 05:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:
There is no way in hell scott is mafia. I read 3 pages and I know enough. Koshi falling into the classic too many townread trap Nha as long as I don't townread Mocsta Sandroba and for example Slam I am still good. As mafia for sure because I wouldn't expect town to actually lynch my scumreads. I’m assuming you still think marv is scum so you have 4 non hard townreads, none of which make sense together come on man, he is not unreasonable...
What does this mean lol
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On June 10 2024 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 05:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 05:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 05:08 Koshi wrote:On June 10 2024 05:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:
There is no way in hell scott is mafia. I read 3 pages and I know enough. Koshi falling into the classic too many townread trap Nha as long as I don't townread Mocsta Sandroba and for example Slam I am still good. As mafia for sure because I wouldn't expect town to actually lynch my scumreads. I’m assuming you still think marv is scum so you have 4 non hard townreads, none of which make sense together come on man, he is not unreasonable... What does this mean lol It is not unreasonable for him to think scott is town, just because (you?) dont agree. Like fuck, i dont agree with him but his town case is not unreasonable.
Koshi mafia because he has too many townreads, is that simple enough for you?
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Nothing to do with the quality of his Scott town case
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On June 10 2024 05:29 Vivax wrote:
My list of people I could lynch into is
Scott - But he should be able to catch a breath and do his thing for a while.
Az - There‘s something off with him. Post timing, involvement, tone. Everything. It just doesn‘t feel like he has town‘s best interests at heart.
Mocsta - Heavy heartedly. I think he could be scum. I didn‘t like how quickly he wanted scott on the table after the flip. I think he had a rush of sorts as usual for mafia around flip.
Oats - He‘s somehow connected to AZ and I just can‘t deal with what appear to be his opinions. On the other hand he annoys me so much that it might be intentional so it‘s more of a fu-read than a scumread.
How am I connected to AZ?
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On June 10 2024 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why can Koshi have not 9 town reads?
Why would town!koshi instantly townread 80% of the game
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On June 10 2024 05:33 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 05:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 05:29 Vivax wrote:
My list of people I could lynch into is
Scott - But he should be able to catch a breath and do his thing for a while.
Az - There‘s something off with him. Post timing, involvement, tone. Everything. It just doesn‘t feel like he has town‘s best interests at heart.
Mocsta - Heavy heartedly. I think he could be scum. I didn‘t like how quickly he wanted scott on the table after the flip. I think he had a rush of sorts as usual for mafia around flip.
Oats - He‘s somehow connected to AZ and I just can‘t deal with what appear to be his opinions. On the other hand he annoys me so much that it might be intentional so it‘s more of a fu-read than a scumread. How am I connected to AZ? Hard to say but it‘s intuition. Feels like you follow a common agenda at times
Because he spent day 1 trying to lynch Scott and I spent day 1 doing the opposite. :thumbs up:
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On June 10 2024 05:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 05:33 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why can Koshi have not 9 town reads? Why would town!koshi instantly townread 80% of the game idk, ask him.
Can’t, he’s not in this game
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I think we lynch slam tomorrow
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The funny thing is that vivax started much worse than he’s playing right now
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On June 10 2024 07:18 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 06:49 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2024 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 06:46 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2024 06:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax who do you think is mafia ? … I was under the impression you were done reading yeah, what has my question to do with it? Az, scott mocsta Maybe but big maybe sandro In that order. And I hate that I have to put Mocsta in there you should hate it
I really don’t like this post tbh, he comes back to the thread and just randomly quips this when a million other things have substantially happened
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On June 10 2024 08:27 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 08:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 07:18 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 06:49 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2024 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 06:46 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2024 06:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax who do you think is mafia ? … I was under the impression you were done reading yeah, what has my question to do with it? Az, scott mocsta Maybe but big maybe sandro In that order. And I hate that I have to put Mocsta in there you should hate it I really don’t like this post tbh, he comes back to the thread and just randomly quips this when a million other things have substantially happened 👍 I don't care if people want to call me scum It's the pairing of me and az or me and marv that's ridiculous Haven't posted on other substantial stuff because as you have pointed out, it's substantial You are doing the same thing btw but I still love ya
How am I doing the same thing?
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On June 10 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 09:10 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 08:27 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 08:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 07:18 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 06:49 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2024 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 06:46 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2024 06:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax who do you think is mafia ? … I was under the impression you were done reading yeah, what has my question to do with it? Az, scott mocsta Maybe but big maybe sandro In that order. And I hate that I have to put Mocsta in there you should hate it I really don’t like this post tbh, he comes back to the thread and just randomly quips this when a million other things have substantially happened 👍 I don't care if people want to call me scum It's the pairing of me and az or me and marv that's ridiculous Haven't posted on other substantial stuff because as you have pointed out, it's substantial You are doing the same thing btw but I still love ya How am I doing the same thing? random quip with other substantial stuff is outEven if you want to consider me mafia Surely I could not be the first mafia candidate to be launched Qed. Pointless
Prove it
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On June 10 2024 09:35 AlphaZero wrote:
I agree trfel. that is a good post.
Not good post
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On June 10 2024 09:57 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 09:52 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 09:10 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 08:27 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 08:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 07:18 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 06:49 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2024 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 06:46 Vivax wrote:
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I was under the impression you were done reading yeah, what has my question to do with it? Az, scott mocsta Maybe but big maybe sandro In that order. And I hate that I have to put Mocsta in there you should hate it I really don’t like this post tbh, he comes back to the thread and just randomly quips this when a million other things have substantially happened 👍 I don't care if people want to call me scum It's the pairing of me and az or me and marv that's ridiculous Haven't posted on other substantial stuff because as you have pointed out, it's substantial You are doing the same thing btw but I still love ya How am I doing the same thing? random quip with other substantial stuff is outEven if you want to consider me mafia Surely I could not be the first mafia candidate to be launched Qed. Pointless Prove it uhh don't do this mate Youre not on my radar. Surely I'm not at the top of yours Let's see how day2 goes please
You can always retract your statement.
I’m also waiting for your thoughts on the significant stuff you missed
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On June 10 2024 10:00 Trfel wrote:Might also be worth noting that raynpelikoneet's high post count, discussion heavy game without conclusions or real pushes matches his no scumread buddy-buddy play from Day 1 (before the period of inactivity Sadly I seem to have scared raynpelikoneet away Was really curious how he would respond.
Does it being night change anything for you
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On June 10 2024 10:03 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 10:00 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 09:35 AlphaZero wrote:
I agree trfel. that is a good post. Not good post Why?
The first half is completely irrelevant. The point isn’t whether Scott is town or mafia, it’s if az and marv are town, why didn’t they get Scott lynched. With such a critical misunderstanding, it colors the whole post badly.
Further more, it’s not really a thing to push people at night. Further further more, rayn was able to interact significantly with koshi/marv/az so saying that just because there’s no conclusion that Rayn is just interacting for interaction sake is just not correct
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Mocsta why did you leave lmao
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On June 10 2024 10:10 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 10:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 10:03 AlphaZero wrote:On June 10 2024 10:00 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 09:35 AlphaZero wrote:
I agree trfel. that is a good post. Not good post Why? The first half is completely irrelevant. The point isn’t whether Scott is town or mafia, it’s if az and marv are town, why didn’t they get Scott lynched. With such a critical misunderstanding, it colors the whole post badly. Further more, it’s not really a thing to push people at night. Further further more, rayn was able to interact significantly with koshi/marv/az so saying that just because there’s no conclusion that Rayn is just interacting for interaction sake is just not correct For the first part, raynpelikoneet literally said that if scott31337 is town, the whole thing about AlphaZero and marvellosity is meaningless. Even if you disagree, this is what raynpelikoneet thought, so shouldn't he play as if that is true? The other points are more subjective I guess, but your first claim is just definitively wrong if I am reading it correctly.
Semantics, rayn clearly argued regardless of Scott’s alignment
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On June 10 2024 10:11 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 10:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 09:57 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 09:52 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 09:10 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 08:27 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 08:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 07:18 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 06:49 Vivax wrote:
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Az, scott
mocsta
Maybe but big maybe sandro
In that order.
And I hate that I have to put Mocsta in there you should hate it I really don’t like this post tbh, he comes back to the thread and just randomly quips this when a million other things have substantially happened 👍 I don't care if people want to call me scum It's the pairing of me and az or me and marv that's ridiculous Haven't posted on other substantial stuff because as you have pointed out, it's substantial You are doing the same thing btw but I still love ya How am I doing the same thing? random quip with other substantial stuff is outEven if you want to consider me mafia Surely I could not be the first mafia candidate to be launched Qed. Pointless Prove it uhh don't do this mate Youre not on my radar. Surely I'm not at the top of yours Let's see how day2 goes please You can always retract your statement. I’m also waiting for your thoughts on the significant stuff you missed I can't retract it I'm town so looks garbage to me You won't get the thoughts on significant stuff I have accepted being a sheep this cycle So will review wagon cases. Just need to wait
?????
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On June 10 2024 10:14 Trfel wrote:
Obviously good is subjective but I would argue that anyone who knows anything about the game makes reads and posts their thoughts at night largely as if it was day. I mean, the TL Mafia guides say you should do this.
There are exceptions, like mayyybe you don't make a big post 30 minutes before the deadline, but in general, extra discussion time is considered more than worth giving mafia information for night kills. I'm honestly shocked that so many players have indicated that they are withholding information due to it being night, I thought most everyone knew that is just an inferior way to play.
Thoughts != push/hard conclusions
You can’t lynch anyone at night, that causes changes in play
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On June 10 2024 10:22 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 10:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 10:14 Trfel wrote:
Obviously good is subjective but I would argue that anyone who knows anything about the game makes reads and posts their thoughts at night largely as if it was day. I mean, the TL Mafia guides say you should do this.
There are exceptions, like mayyybe you don't make a big post 30 minutes before the deadline, but in general, extra discussion time is considered more than worth giving mafia information for night kills. I'm honestly shocked that so many players have indicated that they are withholding information due to it being night, I thought most everyone knew that is just an inferior way to play. Thoughts != push/hard conclusions You can’t lynch anyone at night, that causes changes in play Do you think raynpelikoneet is town?
At this point yeah
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On June 10 2024 10:21 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 10:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 10:10 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 10:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 10:03 AlphaZero wrote:On June 10 2024 10:00 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 09:35 AlphaZero wrote:
I agree trfel. that is a good post. Not good post Why? The first half is completely irrelevant. The point isn’t whether Scott is town or mafia, it’s if az and marv are town, why didn’t they get Scott lynched. With such a critical misunderstanding, it colors the whole post badly. Further more, it’s not really a thing to push people at night. Further further more, rayn was able to interact significantly with koshi/marv/az so saying that just because there’s no conclusion that Rayn is just interacting for interaction sake is just not correct For the first part, raynpelikoneet literally said that if scott31337 is town, the whole thing about AlphaZero and marvellosity is meaningless. Even if you disagree, this is what raynpelikoneet thought, so shouldn't he play as if that is true? The other points are more subjective I guess, but your first claim is just definitively wrong if I am reading it correctly. Semantics, rayn clearly argued regardless of Scott’s alignment No he didn’t.
Agree to disagree
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Vivax mocsta slam final answer
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On June 10 2024 12:09 Trfel wrote:But you won't vote for Vivax?
Calm down there’s no rush
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On June 10 2024 12:19 Vivax wrote:Lol you think I‘m double bussing ?
Lol slam is slam and you definitely don’t seem bought into mocsta
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On June 10 2024 12:50 Vivax wrote:
He‘s also being very obnoxious and pushy about this.
Basically trying to pull off a save on the original target of the guy who just got nkd
So is trfel town or mafia
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You can OMGUS but that’s weak
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On June 10 2024 13:21 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 13:12 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 13:08 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 13:01 Trfel wrote:
Maybe the reduced posting style is better after all. Maybe it makes people more willing to read your posts and take you seriously if you aren't posting so darn much. can we ditch the cases for a second what do you view as the significant puzzle pieces in this game? im asking as that may unlock what is holding back town from uniting. e.g. sandroba is a puzzle piece with a lot of push-pull tension scott is another controversial push-pull are there other parts of the game like this? I think scott31337 has (by existing) caused the most division, and it's not close. ok, do we need a scott flip to draw out conclusions? what is likely to be the case if town, or scum? this would hard confirm az yeah? what about the shitpile of reads? what firms up? to me this is different exploration than association team spits.
Yeah it’s an even bigger waste of time
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On June 10 2024 13:34 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 13:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 13:21 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 13:12 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 13:08 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 13:01 Trfel wrote:
Maybe the reduced posting style is better after all. Maybe it makes people more willing to read your posts and take you seriously if you aren't posting so darn much. can we ditch the cases for a second what do you view as the significant puzzle pieces in this game? im asking as that may unlock what is holding back town from uniting. e.g. sandroba is a puzzle piece with a lot of push-pull tension scott is another controversial push-pull are there other parts of the game like this? I think scott31337 has (by existing) caused the most division, and it's not close. ok, do we need a scott flip to draw out conclusions? what is likely to be the case if town, or scum? this would hard confirm az yeah? what about the shitpile of reads? what firms up? to me this is different exploration than association team spits. Yeah it’s an even bigger waste of time thanks mate can always count on you to pop up out of the wood work you voting me or what?
Not yet.
You gonna give some real thoughts anytime soon?
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On June 10 2024 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Trfel, Koshi, Oats, Vivax.
Which of you townread AZ at the eon1?
Not even need to answer, just a mental note formyself to check when i am home.
Me
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Sandro feeling very forced rn
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On June 10 2024 22:59 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 22:41 sandroba wrote:On June 10 2024 22:30 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 22:02 sandroba wrote:I started by filtering scott, I wanted to see if my read would change from him being likely mafia to inform my reading of the rest of D1. These 2 posts in particular are a strong indication scott is actually townie: On June 09 2024 10:16 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 10:07 rsoultin wrote:
gdit all the votes on kels are making me squirrely now too lolol
and then i wifom the shit out of that and ask what scum does seeing a massive wagon on a scummate
maybe they're just both town but then i'd kinda expect a more even spread
i still wanna lynch sandy -_-
idk what i'd do in scott's position as town with his reads on you mocsta, probably want to talk to you about it at least Let's think here - rsoul. Let's play you are town (which I'm thinking) Let's think I'm town (Which I am) Let's think AZ is mafia (Which I suspect) The Keisl3r lynch makes sense in a way if he's mafia? Right? I feel he's given up. AZ wants to lynch me (town) because his buddy (Mafia) will be lynched otherwise. Get Mafia D1 it's probably GG ! You have the same mindset (or close) as me D1. It seems so weird! Now, I've had a few drinks already tonight (Yes) - So I'm not trying to use any outs. I just might not be fully mindset. This kind of attempt to collaborate and negotiate comes from a townie mindset, extending an olive branch and hoping the other person is not mafia. This comes off as genuine and I believe it's hard to fake, especially having no reason to believe knowing people will pick on this as a town indicator. On June 10 2024 10:59 scott31337 wrote:Scotty's magic N1 postSo - first - On June 09 2024 12:23 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:22 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia. Of course he is now usefull for mafia... still easy lynch material I am pretty sure we had t vs t lynch today. Thats a reason why he will not get nk tonight. But why do oats think that he wouldn´t get nk? because im going to jailkeep him Now I know scum had to have seen this and someone put it in their chat. And I have two theories - 1. Mocsta is the JK and will protect someone tonight (Said oats in the post) I think this is the most realistic answer - but I do have some doubts. I believe Mocsta will get shot tonight.2. Mocsta fakeclaimedNow Koshi has been going after Mocsta since he joined. The other thing I want to ask this day also Koshi - On June 10 2024 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta is playing very well if mafia.
My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter. And afterwards, you still call him mafia. So if you read his filter, you saw the post - and you still want to lynch him. So that tells me something. And I'm willing to listen. Order list - not lynching todayTrfel - Probably still top town. Still thinking things out even at night. I hope he was protected. Very curious who he wants to go after today also. Koshi - I townread Rsoultin and I really townread Koshi. I want to hear Koshi's thoughts on the above first. raynpelikoneet - He's asking questions and thinking about the game as well. I did read Trfel's post on him though and is worth reviewing. Oatsmaster Oats is playing a lot different than his last game, and he also seems to be investigating/scumhunting. Mocsta - I still feel he's town. Depending on Koshi, this could obviously change. Vivax He's been acting a little weird N1, but has some good posts here and there. Weaker die_meatbaby - I'm still townleaning DMB, and the Vivax/DMB posting feels TvT to me. But you need to step it up and scumhunt today. marvellosity - This is so tough. I don't know any recent marv games, but back in the day when we played, he was very timid as scum. This marv is not. But this marv also comes up with indifferent scumreads and is in the bed with AZ. So weird. Would lynch order Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one. Alakaslam Filter is very meh. Marv townread, AZ townread, scumread me. Had one okay post and the rest has not been. AlphaZero A very good player that has my spider senses on alert. A few other townies have a bit of suspicion also on him, but not enough to really matter yet. I'm very curious of who he goes after today. This type of night post usually comes from townies as well - of course mafia can fake something like this but when they do it normally comes off unnatural and either too low or too high effort. This one hits right to me and seems genuine. I'm willing to go and say I feel scott is very likely townie and I'm hoping there is obvious mafia that we can focus on today instead. I appreciate you chose to prioritise the other wagon although I don't support the town read from that first post. Firstly the olive branch approach is influence technique. All alignments need to influence.and is null in itself. Scott.is a wagon candidate so I don't agree employing this discerns town over scum. is not a townie trait . Secondly, contextually rsoultin was responding to me being wary of Scott because scott didn't talk to me about my changing read on AZ - relevant because scott wants to lynch per the post you shared and Scott was buddied to me at that time. If anything that approach you refer to should have come.to me if Scott was town. No I'm not butthurt. Regarding the second post, I don't see what you are valuing to assign it as genuine or the right level of detail.. I mean the marv null read is purely association to az. My curiosity is why you ignored Scott's case of AZ in this analysis? After all, az.is his top top scim.read and should represent his most genuine effort in the entire.filter no? Note I didn't say accurate, just genuine. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=104#2076 I just saw this post so responding to it now, and will resume my read. Of course any alignment can do and post anything, there is no law that says mafia can't post something. Most of my narratives about alignment are kinda of trying to put into words and explain my intuition about something, even trying myself to understand why I think something. In this case the perspective it comes from, the leap of faith towards a player with a slight caveat and the attempt not to rid of suspicion towards oneself but to direct thinking about his world view feels genuine and I can fully explain it from a townie perspective, while from mafia to me would take an amazing actor with very little to gain on this trivial interaction. I understand the pain and am amazed you can draw /connect with that intuition in a communicable way. I sto continue to disagree about the first post being a town tell but it's ok and not relevant for now. Carry on with the read and we see where it goes It would be great for your intuition on Scott's case of AZ too
You think that case is good?
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On June 10 2024 23:21 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 23:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 10 2024 22:59 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 22:41 sandroba wrote:On June 10 2024 22:30 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 22:02 sandroba wrote:I started by filtering scott, I wanted to see if my read would change from him being likely mafia to inform my reading of the rest of D1. These 2 posts in particular are a strong indication scott is actually townie: On June 09 2024 10:16 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 10:07 rsoultin wrote:
gdit all the votes on kels are making me squirrely now too lolol
and then i wifom the shit out of that and ask what scum does seeing a massive wagon on a scummate
maybe they're just both town but then i'd kinda expect a more even spread
i still wanna lynch sandy -_-
idk what i'd do in scott's position as town with his reads on you mocsta, probably want to talk to you about it at least Let's think here - rsoul. Let's play you are town (which I'm thinking) Let's think I'm town (Which I am) Let's think AZ is mafia (Which I suspect) The Keisl3r lynch makes sense in a way if he's mafia? Right? I feel he's given up. AZ wants to lynch me (town) because his buddy (Mafia) will be lynched otherwise. Get Mafia D1 it's probably GG ! You have the same mindset (or close) as me D1. It seems so weird! Now, I've had a few drinks already tonight (Yes) - So I'm not trying to use any outs. I just might not be fully mindset. This kind of attempt to collaborate and negotiate comes from a townie mindset, extending an olive branch and hoping the other person is not mafia. This comes off as genuine and I believe it's hard to fake, especially having no reason to believe knowing people will pick on this as a town indicator. On June 10 2024 10:59 scott31337 wrote:Scotty's magic N1 postSo - first - On June 09 2024 12:23 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:22 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia. Of course he is now usefull for mafia... still easy lynch material I am pretty sure we had t vs t lynch today. Thats a reason why he will not get nk tonight. But why do oats think that he wouldn´t get nk? because im going to jailkeep him Now I know scum had to have seen this and someone put it in their chat. And I have two theories - 1. Mocsta is the JK and will protect someone tonight (Said oats in the post) I think this is the most realistic answer - but I do have some doubts. I believe Mocsta will get shot tonight.2. Mocsta fakeclaimedNow Koshi has been going after Mocsta since he joined. The other thing I want to ask this day also Koshi - On June 10 2024 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta is playing very well if mafia.
My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter. And afterwards, you still call him mafia. So if you read his filter, you saw the post - and you still want to lynch him. So that tells me something. And I'm willing to listen. Order list - not lynching todayTrfel - Probably still top town. Still thinking things out even at night. I hope he was protected. Very curious who he wants to go after today also. Koshi - I townread Rsoultin and I really townread Koshi. I want to hear Koshi's thoughts on the above first. raynpelikoneet - He's asking questions and thinking about the game as well. I did read Trfel's post on him though and is worth reviewing. Oatsmaster Oats is playing a lot different than his last game, and he also seems to be investigating/scumhunting. Mocsta - I still feel he's town. Depending on Koshi, this could obviously change. Vivax He's been acting a little weird N1, but has some good posts here and there. Weaker die_meatbaby - I'm still townleaning DMB, and the Vivax/DMB posting feels TvT to me. But you need to step it up and scumhunt today. marvellosity - This is so tough. I don't know any recent marv games, but back in the day when we played, he was very timid as scum. This marv is not. But this marv also comes up with indifferent scumreads and is in the bed with AZ. So weird. Would lynch order Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one. Alakaslam Filter is very meh. Marv townread, AZ townread, scumread me. Had one okay post and the rest has not been. AlphaZero A very good player that has my spider senses on alert. A few other townies have a bit of suspicion also on him, but not enough to really matter yet. I'm very curious of who he goes after today. This type of night post usually comes from townies as well - of course mafia can fake something like this but when they do it normally comes off unnatural and either too low or too high effort. This one hits right to me and seems genuine. I'm willing to go and say I feel scott is very likely townie and I'm hoping there is obvious mafia that we can focus on today instead. I appreciate you chose to prioritise the other wagon although I don't support the town read from that first post. Firstly the olive branch approach is influence technique. All alignments need to influence.and is null in itself. Scott.is a wagon candidate so I don't agree employing this discerns town over scum. is not a townie trait . Secondly, contextually rsoultin was responding to me being wary of Scott because scott didn't talk to me about my changing read on AZ - relevant because scott wants to lynch per the post you shared and Scott was buddied to me at that time. If anything that approach you refer to should have come.to me if Scott was town. No I'm not butthurt. Regarding the second post, I don't see what you are valuing to assign it as genuine or the right level of detail.. I mean the marv null read is purely association to az. My curiosity is why you ignored Scott's case of AZ in this analysis? After all, az.is his top top scim.read and should represent his most genuine effort in the entire.filter no? Note I didn't say accurate, just genuine. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=104#2076 I just saw this post so responding to it now, and will resume my read. Of course any alignment can do and post anything, there is no law that says mafia can't post something. Most of my narratives about alignment are kinda of trying to put into words and explain my intuition about something, even trying myself to understand why I think something. In this case the perspective it comes from, the leap of faith towards a player with a slight caveat and the attempt not to rid of suspicion towards oneself but to direct thinking about his world view feels genuine and I can fully explain it from a townie perspective, while from mafia to me would take an amazing actor with very little to gain on this trivial interaction. I understand the pain and am amazed you can draw /connect with that intuition in a communicable way. I sto continue to disagree about the first post being a town tell but it's ok and not relevant for now. Carry on with the read and we see where it goes It would be great for your intuition on Scott's case of AZ too You think that case is good? read my.prior post to sandroba for significance
The question is yes/no + why lmao. Why don’t you wanna answer it
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On June 10 2024 23:35 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 23:22 Mocsta wrote:
Oats. Will you be joining the vivax wagon? Oi Don't cock block my question to sandroba and then fuck off without answering mine Love you too
Idk
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@trfel
Vivax has trouble keeping up his activity as mafia, it stands to reason that he'd struggle even more when facing large odds. (explanation: if you have a hard time posting and keeping active as mafia, then that's even harder when your purpose for posting, staying alive, seems out of reach)
He’s not having trouble keeping his activity up though? Like this is straight up not actually happening
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Oh nvm trfel agrees with me
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On June 11 2024 06:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
TLDR;
If sandroba thinks rsoultin is mafia and Oats is town, there is simply no reason to say Oats can be mafia with rsoultin.
[vote Sandro]
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@scott why you ninja voting Sandro?
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On June 11 2024 08:02 AlphaZero wrote:
ok here is where I am at.
I think there is mafia in rayn/koshi. Not sure about both tho. can't give you a reason, they both just seem 'less' than there town games.
With players of their calibre, i don't think there is going to be much to really hang your hat on.
With koshi, there are more 'dumb' moments than smart.
With rayn, i am just not that impressed by anything he has done, and usually I am.
Not strong, I know.
I think sandro looks good every time he posts, as did marv, he is not lynchable for now IMO he will self resolve as maf.
Agree with the points RE: DMB.
Trfel is the Vivax lynch still the best one in your opinion?
How would Sandro self resolve?
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Trfel in the blender all because he doesn’t wanna play with me, his best town buddy
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On June 11 2024 09:39 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 08:02 AlphaZero wrote:
ok here is where I am at.
I think there is mafia in rayn/koshi. Not sure about both tho. can't give you a reason, they both just seem 'less' than there town games.
With players of their calibre, i don't think there is going to be much to really hang your hat on.
With koshi, there are more 'dumb' moments than smart.
With rayn, i am just not that impressed by anything he has done, and usually I am.
Not strong, I know.
I think sandro looks good every time he posts, as did marv, he is not lynchable for now IMO he will self resolve as maf.
Agree with the points RE: DMB.
Trfel is the Vivax lynch still the best one in your opinion?
How would Sandro self resolve? He either keeps up in activity and analysis or does not. He is famous for being low activity as mafia. Why is he mafia to you. I agreed with his takes pretty much all the time.
This is low activity
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On June 11 2024 05:06 sandroba wrote:
Wow, I like this analysis, the high incidence of the excuses and the not knowing what to do theory explains her mindset from a mafia perspective very neatly. Furthermore I am inclined to agree with the argument that she even somehow townie we won't even be in a better spot to figure out her alignment, as opposed to koshi and rayn, who although are very high ev lynch we can assume our accuracy on them as the days go by will increase. Let's drive this one home.
##unvote
##vote: dmb
Over explanation, very stilted and has “even if she’s town it’s a good lynch” which is terrible
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Sandro has 3 fucking pages man how much less are you expecting him to do
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On June 11 2024 09:41 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 09:33 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 09:28 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:25 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 09:21 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 09:12 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 08:49 Mocsta wrote:
Az
To confirm your considering a grouping of
((Rayn/koshi); scott: (dmb / altm lurker)? Im dropping scott for now, I think its pretty clear that I am missing something, because all my big town reads think he is town. (trfel/marv) I like oats as mafia if im being really open and honest. he seems to be flying under the radar a bit too much cool Scott is looking better to me. Glad there is alignment there to not focus today on Scott. I still like the vivax lynch and there does appear to be resistance today from the bottom end of the group which to me is much different build up to kelsier. I will vote rayn if there is enough for majority Oats. I'm still giving a town pass today although he is progressively coming across to me as shitting the thread. I want to give benefit of the doubt he's as lost as me and is equally a provocative style player. I’d also lynch Rayn. Trfel what you think of a Rayn lynch? I'm willing to lynch die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, or Koshi. It's hard for me to figure out which lynch is best. I’m also fine with all that. But I’m relying on your analysis to be honest. That being said I’d prefer to try the harder lynches now while your still alive. I am kinda giving up due to frustration and insanity. I can't figure out which lynch is best, and they're all coming off incredibly scummy. But it's unlikely they are all mafia, next to impossible, it's never ever so simple. Then there's the kicker that even if we figure it out we probably don't have the support. But oh well. That’s true. And I agree that it’s hard because there are too few obv townies. But I think that’s what points to Rayn koshi as mafia. Cause we know they are capable of being obv town, especially when they are playing together
Too few obv townie? We are not playing the same game clearly
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On June 11 2024 09:44 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 09:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 08:02 AlphaZero wrote:
ok here is where I am at.
I think there is mafia in rayn/koshi. Not sure about both tho. can't give you a reason, they both just seem 'less' than there town games.
With players of their calibre, i don't think there is going to be much to really hang your hat on.
With koshi, there are more 'dumb' moments than smart.
With rayn, i am just not that impressed by anything he has done, and usually I am.
Not strong, I know.
I think sandro looks good every time he posts, as did marv, he is not lynchable for now IMO he will self resolve as maf.
Agree with the points RE: DMB.
Trfel is the Vivax lynch still the best one in your opinion?
How would Sandro self resolve? He either keeps up in activity and analysis or does not. He is famous for being low activity as mafia. Why is he mafia to you. I agreed with his takes pretty much all the time. This is low activity It is, but he had a IRL excuse. If there is an increase in activity now I think it’s less clear.
So again I ask, how does he self resolve?
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He just doesn’t post for the next 24 hours? Is that your expectation
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On June 11 2024 09:47 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 09:41 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:33 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 09:28 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:25 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 09:21 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 09:12 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 08:49 Mocsta wrote:
Az
To confirm your considering a grouping of
((Rayn/koshi); scott: (dmb / altm lurker)? Im dropping scott for now, I think its pretty clear that I am missing something, because all my big town reads think he is town. (trfel/marv) I like oats as mafia if im being really open and honest. he seems to be flying under the radar a bit too much cool Scott is looking better to me. Glad there is alignment there to not focus today on Scott. I still like the vivax lynch and there does appear to be resistance today from the bottom end of the group which to me is much different build up to kelsier. I will vote rayn if there is enough for majority Oats. I'm still giving a town pass today although he is progressively coming across to me as shitting the thread. I want to give benefit of the doubt he's as lost as me and is equally a provocative style player. I’d also lynch Rayn. Trfel what you think of a Rayn lynch? I'm willing to lynch die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, or Koshi. It's hard for me to figure out which lynch is best. I’m also fine with all that. But I’m relying on your analysis to be honest. That being said I’d prefer to try the harder lynches now while your still alive. I am kinda giving up due to frustration and insanity. I can't figure out which lynch is best, and they're all coming off incredibly scummy. But it's unlikely they are all mafia, next to impossible, it's never ever so simple. Then there's the kicker that even if we figure it out we probably don't have the support. But oh well. That’s true. And I agree that it’s hard because there are too few obv townies. But I think that’s what points to Rayn koshi as mafia. Cause we know they are capable of being obv town, especially when they are playing together Or maybe you‘re just following sentiment because I don‘t see original thought behind this. And Oats shows up shortly after you do. Which reminds me of me pointing out you were somehow tied together.
picks up phone
Oh we have to come into the thread together and push opposite lynches? Okay I’m coming
writes furiously
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On June 11 2024 09:51 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 09:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:44 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 08:02 AlphaZero wrote:
ok here is where I am at.
I think there is mafia in rayn/koshi. Not sure about both tho. can't give you a reason, they both just seem 'less' than there town games.
With players of their calibre, i don't think there is going to be much to really hang your hat on.
With koshi, there are more 'dumb' moments than smart.
With rayn, i am just not that impressed by anything he has done, and usually I am.
Not strong, I know.
I think sandro looks good every time he posts, as did marv, he is not lynchable for now IMO he will self resolve as maf.
Agree with the points RE: DMB.
Trfel is the Vivax lynch still the best one in your opinion?
How would Sandro self resolve? He either keeps up in activity and analysis or does not. He is famous for being low activity as mafia. Why is he mafia to you. I agreed with his takes pretty much all the time. This is low activity It is, but he had a IRL excuse. If there is an increase in activity now I think it’s less clear. So again I ask, how does he self resolve? He plays the next phase or two like the last two games he played. Or he doesn't
I guarantee you he doesn’t
In 2 phases it’s gonna be lylo assuming nothing funky happens and we continue to miss.
Can you show me some good posts from Sandro? I’m assuming you don’t think the post I pointed out makes him scummy
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On June 11 2024 10:00 Vivax wrote:
I don‘t get the sandro votes at all atm.
He‘s not omnipresent which means he‘s the sanest person itt probably.
At this rate I‘ll have to vote dmb but that‘s a fine lynch. Her latest appereance didn‘t impress me much and I‘m missing her grumpy walls of text.
Sanest != towniest
Can you get your head outta your ass and play
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On June 11 2024 10:42 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 09:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
sandroba (5); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby
die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, sandroba, AlphaZero
Vivax (2): Trfel, AlphaZero, Scott31337, Koshi, Mocsta, Alakaslam, die_meatbaby
Koshi (1): Vivax, sandroba
scott31337 (0): Vivax
With 5 votes, sandroba is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 12 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
hmmmm stinky wagon build up
From your recent posts you think vivax is your top scum read and me and Scott are townreads, why would you say that it’s a stinky wagon on Sandro when you want to vote for the dmb wagon your top scum read is on mocsta?
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On June 11 2024 10:49 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 10:42 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 09:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
sandroba (5); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby
die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, sandroba, AlphaZero
Vivax (2): Trfel, AlphaZero, Scott31337, Koshi, Mocsta, Alakaslam, die_meatbaby
Koshi (1): Vivax, sandroba
scott31337 (0): Vivax
With 5 votes, sandroba is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 12 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
hmmmm stinky wagon build up The Sandro wagon looks bad imo.
Why didn’t you answer my question about Sandro? Like do something to defend him if you think he’s town??
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Also if Rayn and koshi are mafia they are playing horribly just fyi
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On June 11 2024 09:39 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 08:02 AlphaZero wrote:
ok here is where I am at.
I think there is mafia in rayn/koshi. Not sure about both tho. can't give you a reason, they both just seem 'less' than there town games.
With players of their calibre, i don't think there is going to be much to really hang your hat on.
With koshi, there are more 'dumb' moments than smart.
With rayn, i am just not that impressed by anything he has done, and usually I am.
Not strong, I know.
I think sandro looks good every time he posts, as did marv, he is not lynchable for now IMO he will self resolve as maf.
Agree with the points RE: DMB.
Trfel is the Vivax lynch still the best one in your opinion?
How would Sandro self resolve? Why is he mafia to you. I agreed with his takes pretty much all the time.
Did you forget this or do you want to walk this back
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On June 11 2024 11:35 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 11:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also if Rayn and koshi are mafia they are playing horribly just fyi More likely to play horribly as mafia than town. Especially koshi.
No
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Also I don’t know if you mean koshi playing horribly means he’s mafia because I mean mafia!koshi is playing a terrible game. He’s been fine as town
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On June 11 2024 12:10 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 11:08 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 10:42 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 09:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
sandroba (5); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby
die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, sandroba, AlphaZero
Vivax (2): Trfel, AlphaZero, Scott31337, Koshi, Mocsta, Alakaslam, die_meatbaby
Koshi (1): Vivax, sandroba
scott31337 (0): Vivax
With 5 votes, sandroba is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 12 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
hmmmm stinky wagon build up From your recent posts you think vivax is your top scum read and me and Scott are townreads, why would you say that it’s a stinky wagon on Sandro when you want to vote for the dmb wagon your top scum read is on mocsta? vivax is on koshi, so i am struggling to follow your assertion regarding DMB wagon?
On June 11 2024 10:23 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: dmb
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On June 11 2024 12:17 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 08:02 AlphaZero wrote:
ok here is where I am at.
I think there is mafia in rayn/koshi. Not sure about both tho. can't give you a reason, they both just seem 'less' than there town games.
With players of their calibre, i don't think there is going to be much to really hang your hat on.
With koshi, there are more 'dumb' moments than smart.
With rayn, i am just not that impressed by anything he has done, and usually I am.
Not strong, I know.
I think sandro looks good every time he posts, as did marv, he is not lynchable for now IMO he will self resolve as maf.
Agree with the points RE: DMB.
Trfel is the Vivax lynch still the best one in your opinion?
How would Sandro self resolve? Why is he mafia to you. I agreed with his takes pretty much all the time. Did you forget this or do you want to walk this back I don’t think that contradicts anything
So point out his takes that you agree with??
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On June 11 2024 12:18 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 11:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also I don’t know if you mean koshi playing horribly means he’s mafia because I mean mafia!koshi is playing a terrible game. He’s been fine as town Disagree. He is not smart and not obv town. Two red flags
Okay but that’s not what I’m saying
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On June 11 2024 12:18 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 11:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also I don’t know if you mean koshi playing horribly means he’s mafia because I mean mafia!koshi is playing a terrible game. He’s been fine as town Disagree. He is not smart and not obv town. Two red flags
Explain the not smart bit
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On June 11 2024 12:25 AlphaZero wrote:
Oats explain like I am 5 why you are convinced Sandro is mafia.
Which wagon are the mafia on now then, you think they bussing?
Sandro is mafia because he’s made some really inane observations, his voting post on dmb is bad and I am sheeping Rayn and koshi
I think at least 1 of them is bussing yes.
Can you answer my question now please
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On June 11 2024 12:30 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:10 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 11:08 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 10:42 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 09:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
sandroba (5); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby
die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, sandroba, AlphaZero
Vivax (2): Trfel, AlphaZero, Scott31337, Koshi, Mocsta, Alakaslam, die_meatbaby
Koshi (1): Vivax, sandroba
scott31337 (0): Vivax
With 5 votes, sandroba is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 12 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
hmmmm stinky wagon build up From your recent posts you think vivax is your top scum read and me and Scott are townreads, why would you say that it’s a stinky wagon on Sandro when you want to vote for the dmb wagon your top scum read is on mocsta? vivax is on koshi, so i am struggling to follow your assertion regarding DMB wagon? On June 11 2024 10:23 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: dmb dont want to ignore, i just dont have a response. i mean if you wanna be up my ass for being indifferent between vivax, rayn, koshi, dmb, slam etc then do it. i feel its all a crapshoot and strongest and weakest reads are not separated by much. the most certainty i currently "feel" is: 1) Koshi vibe is not exhuberent and im not picking up that BD energy he excudes. I don't like.. enough to overule my rsoultin read 2) Rayn posting is opportunistic... timing, interests.. hes riding just the right level of memorable to not be forgotten as a player, yet drive anything i find to be meaningful given my town reads are notsupporting vivax i will drop that vote for koshi / rayn.. dmb feels more crapshooty to me thats where i am at dude
Rayns Sandro push is more meaningful than anything you’ve done this game. Otherwise the rest of that statement is pure waffle
I don’t understand the rest of this post. You think that there’s no scummiest person, there’s like 5 murky people?
Dmb feels more crapshooty to you than who?
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On June 11 2024 12:43 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 12:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:30 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:10 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 11:08 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 10:42 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 09:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
sandroba (5); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby
die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, sandroba, AlphaZero
Vivax (2): Trfel, AlphaZero, Scott31337, Koshi, Mocsta, Alakaslam, die_meatbaby
Koshi (1): Vivax, sandroba
scott31337 (0): Vivax
With 5 votes, sandroba is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 12 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
hmmmm stinky wagon build up From your recent posts you think vivax is your top scum read and me and Scott are townreads, why would you say that it’s a stinky wagon on Sandro when you want to vote for the dmb wagon your top scum read is on mocsta? vivax is on koshi, so i am struggling to follow your assertion regarding DMB wagon? On June 11 2024 10:23 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: dmb dont want to ignore, i just dont have a response. i mean if you wanna be up my ass for being indifferent between vivax, rayn, koshi, dmb, slam etc then do it. i feel its all a crapshoot and strongest and weakest reads are not separated by much. the most certainty i currently "feel" is: 1) Koshi vibe is not exhuberent and im not picking up that BD energy he excudes. I don't like.. enough to overule my rsoultin read 2) Rayn posting is opportunistic... timing, interests.. hes riding just the right level of memorable to not be forgotten as a player, yet drive anything i find to be meaningful given my town reads are notsupporting vivax i will drop that vote for koshi / rayn.. dmb feels more crapshooty to me thats where i am at dude Rayns Sandro push is more meaningful than anything you’ve done this game. Otherwise the rest of that statement is pure waffle I don’t understand the rest of this post. You think that there’s no scummiest person, there’s like 5 murky people? Dmb feels more crapshooty to you than who? GFY . like if you are trying to convince me, then lose the condescending remarks if you are trying to scum read me, then i dont know what to say to you. i read my filter last night to get a sense of what peoples issues are and i have no idea. i was left with smiles so in short: GFY
Yeah okay great talk
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On June 11 2024 12:48 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:43 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 12:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:30 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:10 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 11:08 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 10:42 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 09:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
sandroba (5); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby
die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, sandroba, AlphaZero
Vivax (2): Trfel, AlphaZero, Scott31337, Koshi, Mocsta, Alakaslam, die_meatbaby
Koshi (1): Vivax, sandroba
scott31337 (0): Vivax
With 5 votes, sandroba is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 12 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
hmmmm stinky wagon build up From your recent posts you think vivax is your top scum read and me and Scott are townreads, why would you say that it’s a stinky wagon on Sandro when you want to vote for the dmb wagon your top scum read is on mocsta? vivax is on koshi, so i am struggling to follow your assertion regarding DMB wagon? On June 11 2024 10:23 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: dmb dont want to ignore, i just dont have a response. i mean if you wanna be up my ass for being indifferent between vivax, rayn, koshi, dmb, slam etc then do it. i feel its all a crapshoot and strongest and weakest reads are not separated by much. the most certainty i currently "feel" is: 1) Koshi vibe is not exhuberent and im not picking up that BD energy he excudes. I don't like.. enough to overule my rsoultin read 2) Rayn posting is opportunistic... timing, interests.. hes riding just the right level of memorable to not be forgotten as a player, yet drive anything i find to be meaningful given my town reads are notsupporting vivax i will drop that vote for koshi / rayn.. dmb feels more crapshooty to me thats where i am at dude Rayns Sandro push is more meaningful than anything you’ve done this game. Otherwise the rest of that statement is pure waffle I don’t understand the rest of this post. You think that there’s no scummiest person, there’s like 5 murky people? Dmb feels more crapshooty to you than who? GFY . like if you are trying to convince me, then lose the condescending remarks if you are trying to scum read me, then i dont know what to say to you. i read my filter last night to get a sense of what peoples issues are and i have no idea. i was left with smiles so in short: GFY Yeah okay great talk im willing to talk to you, ya know.. just drop the abrasiveness and be respectful please help me understand your worldview is rayns action to kick off sandro "as meaningful in the game" if sandro is town?
Yes? Meaningful doesn’t have to be scum or town.
You are the one trying to say that being not meaningful is a scum trait, I’m just pointing out that you have to include yourself in that then if you are completely honest
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Sorry what I mean to say with the first bit is that doing something meaningful doesn’t always end up being town favored
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On June 11 2024 12:53 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:17 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 08:02 AlphaZero wrote:
ok here is where I am at.
I think there is mafia in rayn/koshi. Not sure about both tho. can't give you a reason, they both just seem 'less' than there town games.
With players of their calibre, i don't think there is going to be much to really hang your hat on.
With koshi, there are more 'dumb' moments than smart.
With rayn, i am just not that impressed by anything he has done, and usually I am.
Not strong, I know.
I think sandro looks good every time he posts, as did marv, he is not lynchable for now IMO he will self resolve as maf.
Agree with the points RE: DMB.
Trfel is the Vivax lynch still the best one in your opinion?
How would Sandro self resolve? Why is he mafia to you. I agreed with his takes pretty much all the time. Did you forget this or do you want to walk this back I don’t think that contradicts anything So point out his takes that you agree with?? Mostly everything else. I don’t have time to point them out. But the fact I like his posts for the most part when he is around should be enough.
Enough for who????
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Okay let me find more disagreeable posts
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On June 10 2024 21:37 sandroba wrote:
I finally have time to play again. Sorry all - family stuff kept me super busy during the weekend. I'm glad that even though I was inactive I was not lynched, but it sucks that you killed Kelsier which to me was one of the town reads I was more confident about. I have to catch up from around page ~30 onwards !! Hoping there is some juicy stuff around the lynch.
Complaining about the lynch he had no influence on mm yes disagreeable
On June 10 2024 22:34 sandroba wrote:
Around page 42 and I'm reading up on the discussion about Mocsta being mafia mostly driven by marv/az and trfel taking opposite sides. While I can see the points raised by marv/az being valid about the blatant way mocsta is throwing stuff around just to post and trying to justify them later, I fall in trfel side of the argument thinking that mocsta is being too open and collaborative about his thought process that it just screams town to me. I might just be completely outdated and the way mafia is playing this game now just goes beyond whatever I'm used to expect. Last game I had a few of my assumptions shattered, but unfortunately as a player I can only offer what I honestly believe. If I just throw it all out the window it means I'm just useless and can offer nothing. Because of that I'm just going to assume my intuition is correct for now and say mocsta is also town.
Over explained townread that has a significant portion trying to hedge his read which says he’s overcompensating acting like he’s really thinking about his “process”
On June 11 2024 04:52 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:
Best reasoning for rayn mafia is:
He didn't seem to be eager to be in the towncircle with marv and I.
And you guys are all blind for not seeing marv and I were going to be BFFs I'm pretty sure you tried to put him there at some point. I agree with your points on rayn though. The AZ stuff looks like you just want to add someone to the mix to dilute it a little bit.
Very odd to say to koshi when you are tying in both koshi and rayns alignment together
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On June 11 2024 12:54 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 12:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:53 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:17 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 09:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 08:02 AlphaZero wrote:
ok here is where I am at.
I think there is mafia in rayn/koshi. Not sure about both tho. can't give you a reason, they both just seem 'less' than there town games.
With players of their calibre, i don't think there is going to be much to really hang your hat on.
With koshi, there are more 'dumb' moments than smart.
With rayn, i am just not that impressed by anything he has done, and usually I am.
Not strong, I know.
I think sandro looks good every time he posts, as did marv, he is not lynchable for now IMO he will self resolve as maf.
Agree with the points RE: DMB.
Trfel is the Vivax lynch still the best one in your opinion?
How would Sandro self resolve? Why is he mafia to you. I agreed with his takes pretty much all the time. Did you forget this or do you want to walk this back I don’t think that contradicts anything So point out his takes that you agree with?? Mostly everything else. I don’t have time to point them out. But the fact I like his posts for the most part when he is around should be enough. Enough for who???? For you to decide on whatever it is you need to determine with this line of questioning assuming you are town
I’m trying to get you to vote Sandro
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Like my brother in Christ this does not have to be this difficult
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On June 11 2024 12:54 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 12:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:48 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:43 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 12:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:30 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:10 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 11:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
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From your recent posts you think vivax is your top scum read and me and Scott are townreads, why would you say that it’s a stinky wagon on Sandro when you want to vote for the dmb wagon your top scum read is on mocsta? vivax is on koshi, so i am struggling to follow your assertion regarding DMB wagon? On June 11 2024 10:23 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: dmb dont want to ignore, i just dont have a response. i mean if you wanna be up my ass for being indifferent between vivax, rayn, koshi, dmb, slam etc then do it. i feel its all a crapshoot and strongest and weakest reads are not separated by much. the most certainty i currently "feel" is: 1) Koshi vibe is not exhuberent and im not picking up that BD energy he excudes. I don't like.. enough to overule my rsoultin read 2) Rayn posting is opportunistic... timing, interests.. hes riding just the right level of memorable to not be forgotten as a player, yet drive anything i find to be meaningful given my town reads are notsupporting vivax i will drop that vote for koshi / rayn.. dmb feels more crapshooty to me thats where i am at dude Rayns Sandro push is more meaningful than anything you’ve done this game. Otherwise the rest of that statement is pure waffle I don’t understand the rest of this post. You think that there’s no scummiest person, there’s like 5 murky people? Dmb feels more crapshooty to you than who? GFY . like if you are trying to convince me, then lose the condescending remarks if you are trying to scum read me, then i dont know what to say to you. i read my filter last night to get a sense of what peoples issues are and i have no idea. i was left with smiles so in short: GFY Yeah okay great talk im willing to talk to you, ya know.. just drop the abrasiveness and be respectful please help me understand your worldview is rayns action to kick off sandro "as meaningful in the game" if sandro is town? Yes? Meaningful doesn’t have to be scum or town. You are the one trying to say that being not meaningful is a scum trait, I’m just pointing out that you have to include yourself in that then if you are completely honest no i did not say that. i said hes not driven anything meaningful to me. whether right or wrong, the posts i have internalised to drive town and scum reads. rayn is few and far between. maybe thats diferent for you, however thats my world. in that context, yes, thats scummy. is it not for you?
Okay so you are saying that rayn hasn’t posted things that either give you town vibes or scum vibes from him.
Therefore it’s scummy to not be scummy? That’s my understanding from what you are saying. Please clarify if I’m misunderstanding your meaning
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On June 11 2024 12:54 AlphaZero wrote:
Your case on Sandro is not convincing and seems weak compared tot he level of confidence you have.
It’s pinging me because I generally share you perspective on things.
Okay get pinged I guess and we lose because you don’t want to work with town
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Like that dmb vote from Sandro was absurdly bad.
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On June 11 2024 13:05 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 13:04 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:54 AlphaZero wrote:
Your case on Sandro is not convincing and seems weak compared tot he level of confidence you have.
It’s pinging me because I generally share you perspective on things. Okay get pinged I guess and we lose because you don’t want to work with town I’m working with trfel who is objectively the towniest player in the game. Why are you not working with town?
Trfel isn’t working with me, I can’t do anything about that.
Like are you reading this game or a different one?
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On June 11 2024 13:06 Trfel wrote:
How am I not working with you?
Okay fine, sell me on the koshi/rayn partnership.
From what I can tell reading your filter, you do think Sandro is mafia independently of anyone else, you just don’t think so atm because koshi and Rayn are going after him
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On June 11 2024 13:19 Trfel wrote:
Honestly I'm tempted to lynch Oatsmaster for being the most anti-town player this game, regardless of alignment.
This is the exact opposite of working with people btw just you know for your information
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On June 11 2024 13:13 AlphaZero wrote:
I dont really understand the oats push here. Cause he called dmb mafia. So from his perspective both major wagons are mafia. And his wagon is leading.
So why the faux desperation. Fucking weird.
So you don’t see today as critically important to get correct? I’m sorry for you in that case
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On June 11 2024 13:18 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 13:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:54 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 12:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:48 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:43 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 12:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 12:30 Mocsta wrote:On June 11 2024 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
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dont want to ignore, i just dont have a response. i mean if you wanna be up my ass for being indifferent between vivax, rayn, koshi, dmb, slam etc then do it. i feel its all a crapshoot and strongest and weakest reads are not separated by much. the most certainty i currently "feel" is: 1) Koshi vibe is not exhuberent and im not picking up that BD energy he excudes. I don't like.. enough to overule my rsoultin read 2) Rayn posting is opportunistic... timing, interests.. hes riding just the right level of memorable to not be forgotten as a player, yet drive anything i find to be meaningful given my town reads are notsupporting vivax i will drop that vote for koshi / rayn.. dmb feels more crapshooty to me thats where i am at dude Rayns Sandro push is more meaningful than anything you’ve done this game. Otherwise the rest of that statement is pure waffle I don’t understand the rest of this post. You think that there’s no scummiest person, there’s like 5 murky people? Dmb feels more crapshooty to you than who? GFY . like if you are trying to convince me, then lose the condescending remarks if you are trying to scum read me, then i dont know what to say to you. i read my filter last night to get a sense of what peoples issues are and i have no idea. i was left with smiles so in short: GFY Yeah okay great talk im willing to talk to you, ya know.. just drop the abrasiveness and be respectful please help me understand your worldview is rayns action to kick off sandro "as meaningful in the game" if sandro is town? Yes? Meaningful doesn’t have to be scum or town. You are the one trying to say that being not meaningful is a scum trait, I’m just pointing out that you have to include yourself in that then if you are completely honest no i did not say that. i said hes not driven anything meaningful to me. whether right or wrong, the posts i have internalised to drive town and scum reads. rayn is few and far between. maybe thats diferent for you, however thats my world. in that context, yes, thats scummy. is it not for you? Okay so you are saying that rayn hasn’t posted things that either give you town vibes or scum vibes from him. Therefore it’s scummy to not be scummy? That’s my understanding from what you are saying. Please clarify if I’m misunderstanding your meaning no, instead im saying that his interactions with people have not led me to read those people as town/scum. so i find his filter meaningless and not seeking to solve the game i.e. hes not asking questions to others, that help me to discern *THEIR* alignment
Huh?
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Not that I’ve heard anyone play that way but you seem to think Sandro is town based on Rayns posts so that’s not even consistent?
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@az
What’s going on in the whisper thread with rayn
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On June 11 2024 13:19 Trfel wrote:
Honestly I'm tempted to lynch Oatsmaster for being the most anti-town player this game, regardless of alignment.
I think constantly saying this is worse than anything I’ve done but got off I guess.
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On June 11 2024 03:33 Trfel wrote:
I'm okayish with sandroba for now, honestly (as in, I am not confident enough that he is mafia to lynch him as opposed for waiting to see more from him).
Trfel what changed your mind about Sandro from this post to the most recent one you made where you said he’s actually been very sane
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The only reason is that he has been low activity/involvement
That’s not what you’ve been saying this whole game though?
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On June 11 2024 13:43 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:00 Koshi wrote:
Sandro, Slam, Mocsta
(AZ instead of Mocsta but only because so many of you say it, they are not mafia together) can you help me why sandro? Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am sorry guys i dont see it, aside from him being away...
why? Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:he was really townie when he was in thread tbh And then... Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax go with me on sandroba, mocsta, az, ok? Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 08:04 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:55 Trfel wrote:
Honestly my first impression is that Vivax and die_meatbaby are trying to distance from each other.
Could be that just one of them is mafia, or I guess maybe that neither is mafia, but I think both could also be mafia. I have reason to think they both (individually, separately) could be mafia, and very little reason to think otherwise.
Just seems like the most plausible explanation is one (or even both) of them decided to try and clutter the thread to defend themselves/distract from the actual arguments against them. i literally adviced them to do so, if you didnt catch that? Why are you making this argument? If you have to blame anyone, blame me for their "show"... @raynpelikoneet, I disagree that sandroba's posting was great when he was here. It was.... okay at best imo? But I don't think there's anything special about it. That doesn't mean he has to be mafia, but a lack of interesting or insightful thoughts, combined with nonexistent activity/involvement, is a reasonable case. i didn't say great. and i can't say he looks townie now when not posting. noone can. If you think sandroba is mafia, go ahead. I am just talking about what i know when people were posting. What? Maybe I phrased it poorly. What I meant was, it seems like they are both mafia, and realized that they're associating too closely and "fought" to try and change that. I know that's unflipped association, but it was my first thought.* If you really want to say that they did this due to your advice, I mean sure, I can lynch you after them *Asterisk means: as I thought about it more, I still think that the argument makes sense if only one of them is mafia, baiting the other one into the argument but overall accomplishing the purpose of cluttering the thread and distracting from the actual arguments at hand. Didn't you say sandroba's posting looked good or towny or something more positive? I forget the exact word. I wouldn't really attribute anything positive to it though, it felt solidly meh/null range. I was just bring it up since I think sandroba is very much worth considering, and you and marvellosity are the ones I think might benefit from reconsidering it. I dont think they are both mafia. I think sandroba is worth considering. Also, can anyone possibly believe this? Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 05:39 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I should be on computer in somewhat 30mins.
Let it be known i already told AZ 6 hours ago i dont think case on vivax is strong. Vivax teaction to case wss also townie. I can write why the case is not hood an see how many people will still stick there. Don't bother, I can't imagine Vivax getting lynched. Is there any reason why I should think you are town? I made the best case anyone has this game. Can raynpelikoneet actually think that this: Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Is the best case in the game?
Not really sure why rayn being an huge egoist is a scumtell tbh
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On June 11 2024 03:04 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Middle point is actually very interesting. Good find.
Okay nvm I did think you talked about Sandro more than this post in more specific terms but why is this a good point at the time of the post and no longer a good point?
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On June 11 2024 13:55 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 13:21 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 13:13 AlphaZero wrote:
I dont really understand the oats push here. Cause he called dmb mafia. So from his perspective both major wagons are mafia. And his wagon is leading.
So why the faux desperation. Fucking weird. So you don’t see today as critically important to get correct? I’m sorry for you in that case I do. But from your perspective both wagons are mafia? So what gives?
Degree of mafia ness
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On June 11 2024 13:57 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 13:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 13:43 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:00 Koshi wrote:
Sandro, Slam, Mocsta
(AZ instead of Mocsta but only because so many of you say it, they are not mafia together) can you help me why sandro? On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am sorry guys i dont see it, aside from him being away...
why? On June 10 2024 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:he was really townie when he was in thread tbh And then... On June 10 2024 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax go with me on sandroba, mocsta, az, ok? On June 10 2024 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 08:04 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:55 Trfel wrote:
Honestly my first impression is that Vivax and die_meatbaby are trying to distance from each other.
Could be that just one of them is mafia, or I guess maybe that neither is mafia, but I think both could also be mafia. I have reason to think they both (individually, separately) could be mafia, and very little reason to think otherwise.
Just seems like the most plausible explanation is one (or even both) of them decided to try and clutter the thread to defend themselves/distract from the actual arguments against them. i literally adviced them to do so, if you didnt catch that? Why are you making this argument? If you have to blame anyone, blame me for their "show"... @raynpelikoneet, I disagree that sandroba's posting was great when he was here. It was.... okay at best imo? But I don't think there's anything special about it. That doesn't mean he has to be mafia, but a lack of interesting or insightful thoughts, combined with nonexistent activity/involvement, is a reasonable case. i didn't say great. and i can't say he looks townie now when not posting. noone can. If you think sandroba is mafia, go ahead. I am just talking about what i know when people were posting. What? Maybe I phrased it poorly. What I meant was, it seems like they are both mafia, and realized that they're associating too closely and "fought" to try and change that. I know that's unflipped association, but it was my first thought.* If you really want to say that they did this due to your advice, I mean sure, I can lynch you after them *Asterisk means: as I thought about it more, I still think that the argument makes sense if only one of them is mafia, baiting the other one into the argument but overall accomplishing the purpose of cluttering the thread and distracting from the actual arguments at hand. Didn't you say sandroba's posting looked good or towny or something more positive? I forget the exact word. I wouldn't really attribute anything positive to it though, it felt solidly meh/null range. I was just bring it up since I think sandroba is very much worth considering, and you and marvellosity are the ones I think might benefit from reconsidering it. I dont think they are both mafia. I think sandroba is worth considering. Also, can anyone possibly believe this? On June 11 2024 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 05:39 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I should be on computer in somewhat 30mins.
Let it be known i already told AZ 6 hours ago i dont think case on vivax is strong. Vivax teaction to case wss also townie. I can write why the case is not hood an see how many people will still stick there. Don't bother, I can't imagine Vivax getting lynched. Is there any reason why I should think you are town? I made the best case anyone has this game. Can raynpelikoneet actually think that this: On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Is the best case in the game? Not really sure why rayn being an huge egoist is a scumtell tbh What about raynpelikoneet being unable to construct a rational thought? Do you actually think that raynpelikoneet, as town, could actually believe that case has any merit?
Yes? I’m voting for Sandro?
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On June 11 2024 14:03 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 13:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 13:55 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 13:21 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 13:13 AlphaZero wrote:
I dont really understand the oats push here. Cause he called dmb mafia. So from his perspective both major wagons are mafia. And his wagon is leading.
So why the faux desperation. Fucking weird. So you don’t see today as critically important to get correct? I’m sorry for you in that case I do. But from your perspective both wagons are mafia? So what gives? Degree of mafia ness So give me a list post?
Highest degree of mafianess
Sandro
Slam
Dmb
Mocsta
Vivax
Koshi
Rayn
Scott
Az
Trfel
Lowest degree of mafianess
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On June 11 2024 14:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Half the town is scum siding imo
Who?
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On June 11 2024 14:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Why did Rayn choose me, whom he implies is mafia to mason and not koshi or trfel.
Why would mafia rayn mason anyone?
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On June 11 2024 13:58 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 13:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 03:04 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Middle point is actually very interesting. Good find. Okay nvm I did think you talked about Sandro more than this post in more specific terms but why is this a good point at the time of the post and no longer a good point? I looked into this more later, when raynpelikoneet did his whole "best case in the thread" thing, and realized that this argument is based on a misinterpretation of sandroba's post. Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 05:59 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Okay, lemme break down the best case in the game. First point, you even say isn't bad in and of itself. Second point, I thought made sense, upon rereading sandroba's filter though that's not what he is saying. Sandroba's post #2446 means that he thinks Oatsmaster can't be mafia if rsoultin/Koshi is town. He just said it in a weird way. Then, separately, he thinks Oatsmaster is town. At a glance you can maybe see it as sandroba thinking that if rsoultin/Koshi is mafia, Oatsmaster is mafia, but I really really don't think that is what sandroba is saying. Third point, huh? My best guess at what you are trying to say is that you are referring to this: On June 11 2024 00:21 sandroba wrote:On June 09 2024 17:00 Koshi wrote:
I am 100% convinced you are mafia. But I will lynch you last because your filter is huge.
Sandroba and Mocsta are both mafia and I think we agree on that. Okay this actually makes me feel a lot better, since I think rsoul is to me much harder to pin down as mafia than Koshi. For Koshi if he is this bad he is mafia and this view makes him mafia 100%. There is absolutely no way Koshi comes in with fresh eyes, reads the same thread as me and comes to this conclusion. Which isn't just a misinterpretation of sandroba's post but is blatantly ignoring the entire point? You cannot possibly think this case holds any water whatsoever, much less being the best case in the game?
I really don’t get what the accuracy of the statement has to do with rayns alignment.
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On June 11 2024 14:14 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:10 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Why did Rayn choose me, whom he implies is mafia to mason and not koshi or trfel. Why would mafia rayn mason anyone? Come on now. You KNOW that mafia mason players for a reason. He himself stated that he would mason particular players he thinks he could trick.
So his master mafia plan is to mason you and not type for 27 hours.
Great plan
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On June 11 2024 14:16 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Half the town is scum siding imo Who? Every townie thats not me trfel Sandro and maybe Mocsta basically
I don’t think you know what scum siding means though if you are gonna use it as “everyone who isn’t on the lynch I’m on"
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On June 11 2024 14:15 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:03 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 13:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 13:55 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 13:21 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 13:13 AlphaZero wrote:
I dont really understand the oats push here. Cause he called dmb mafia. So from his perspective both major wagons are mafia. And his wagon is leading.
So why the faux desperation. Fucking weird. So you don’t see today as critically important to get correct? I’m sorry for you in that case I do. But from your perspective both wagons are mafia? So what gives? Degree of mafia ness So give me a list post? Highest degree of mafianess Sandro Slam Dmb Mocsta Vivax Koshi Rayn Scott Az Trfel Lowest degree of mafianess Slam? Really?? Even with the replace out.?
Out of game
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On June 11 2024 14:21 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:16 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 14:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Half the town is scum siding imo Who? Every townie thats not me trfel Sandro and maybe Mocsta basically I don’t think you know what scum siding means though if you are gonna use it as “everyone who isn’t on the lynch I’m on" I mean all the scum are on the other wagon and all the townies also there are literally scum siding.
You know the alignments?
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On June 11 2024 14:20 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:14 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 14:10 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Why did Rayn choose me, whom he implies is mafia to mason and not koshi or trfel. Why would mafia rayn mason anyone? Come on now. You KNOW that mafia mason players for a reason. He himself stated that he would mason particular players he thinks he could trick. So his master mafia plan is to mason you and not type for 27 hours. Great plan He doesn’t know my Timezone.
27 hours covers every timezone
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On June 11 2024 14:15 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 13:58 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 13:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 03:04 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Middle point is actually very interesting. Good find. Okay nvm I did think you talked about Sandro more than this post in more specific terms but why is this a good point at the time of the post and no longer a good point? I looked into this more later, when raynpelikoneet did his whole "best case in the thread" thing, and realized that this argument is based on a misinterpretation of sandroba's post. On June 11 2024 05:59 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Okay, lemme break down the best case in the game. First point, you even say isn't bad in and of itself. Second point, I thought made sense, upon rereading sandroba's filter though that's not what he is saying. Sandroba's post #2446 means that he thinks Oatsmaster can't be mafia if rsoultin/Koshi is town. He just said it in a weird way. Then, separately, he thinks Oatsmaster is town. At a glance you can maybe see it as sandroba thinking that if rsoultin/Koshi is mafia, Oatsmaster is mafia, but I really really don't think that is what sandroba is saying. Third point, huh? My best guess at what you are trying to say is that you are referring to this: On June 11 2024 00:21 sandroba wrote:On June 09 2024 17:00 Koshi wrote:
I am 100% convinced you are mafia. But I will lynch you last because your filter is huge.
Sandroba and Mocsta are both mafia and I think we agree on that. Okay this actually makes me feel a lot better, since I think rsoul is to me much harder to pin down as mafia than Koshi. For Koshi if he is this bad he is mafia and this view makes him mafia 100%. There is absolutely no way Koshi comes in with fresh eyes, reads the same thread as me and comes to this conclusion. Which isn't just a misinterpretation of sandroba's post but is blatantly ignoring the entire point? You cannot possibly think this case holds any water whatsoever, much less being the best case in the game? I really don’t get what the accuracy of the statement has to do with rayns alignment. The fact that when sandroba and I explained it, he didn't change his view at all?
I’m not sure why he’s supposed to change his mind when Sandro explains it. He addresses in his final post currently that he doesn’t think you’ve sufficiently argued against his point.
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On June 11 2024 14:19 Trfel wrote:Honestly we need to think about possible outs here. Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 09:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
sandroba (5); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby
die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, sandroba, AlphaZero
Vivax (2): Trfel, AlphaZero, Scott31337, Koshi, Mocsta, Alakaslam, die_meatbaby
Koshi (1): Vivax, sandroba
scott31337 (0): Vivax
With 5 votes, sandroba is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 12 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Looks like Alakaslam isn't playing anymore, unfortunately. This means that unless someone moves their vote from sandroba, sandroba is going to be lynched. This greatly restricts our lynch options. In fact, I don't think this gives us any alternative lynches at all. I guess our goal therefore has to be to either: 1. convince someone from the sandroba wagon to switch votes or 2. provide so much evidence that even with mafia getting a (presumably) free mislynch here, they are incriminated allowing us to lynch 3 mafia in a row Unfortunately it doesn't seem very realistic to win against five mafia :/ ah well.
Correct me if I’m wrong
This is assuming no blue actions
Currently its 8-3 town-mafia
After n2, it will be 6-3 town mafia
After n3 it will be 4-3 town mafia.
Even if Sandro is town, we still get 1 more mislynch to lylo. Why the doom and gloom?
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On June 11 2024 14:28 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:21 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 14:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:16 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 14:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Half the town is scum siding imo Who? Every townie thats not me trfel Sandro and maybe Mocsta basically I don’t think you know what scum siding means though if you are gonna use it as “everyone who isn’t on the lynch I’m on" I mean all the scum are on the other wagon and all the townies also there are literally scum siding. You know the alignments? Oh fuck off
I’m not the one saying everyone not on my wagon is scumsiding
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Like what is this absurd play where you just think that only people who agree with you are playing the game correctly
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On June 11 2024 14:28 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:25 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:20 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 14:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:14 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 14:10 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Why did Rayn choose me, whom he implies is mafia to mason and not koshi or trfel. Why would mafia rayn mason anyone? Come on now. You KNOW that mafia mason players for a reason. He himself stated that he would mason particular players he thinks he could trick. So his master mafia plan is to mason you and not type for 27 hours. Great plan He doesn’t know my Timezone. 27 hours covers every timezone He went to sleep when I was around,.
Okay well let us know what comes out of it, preferably before lynch. I’m assuming you’ve typed in there
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On June 11 2024 14:30 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:28 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 14:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:21 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 14:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:16 AlphaZero wrote:On June 11 2024 14:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Half the town is scum siding imo Who? Every townie thats not me trfel Sandro and maybe Mocsta basically I don’t think you know what scum siding means though if you are gonna use it as “everyone who isn’t on the lynch I’m on" I mean all the scum are on the other wagon and all the townies also there are literally scum siding. You know the alignments? Oh fuck off I’m not the one saying everyone not on my wagon is scumsiding The DMB wagon looks much more pure.
Scott and trfel are equal, otherwise you and me are equal.
So where is this “much more pure” coming from?
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I mean like I just don’t understand the ego here.
We both think trfel and Scott are town. We obviously think ourselves are town. Both of dmb and Sandro are voting each other.
The only contentious people are rayn/koshi v vivax
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On June 11 2024 14:36 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
Like what is this absurd play where you just think that only people who agree with you are playing the game correctly dude.. you are doing the same thing this is all TvT, need faith i get you dont want to listen to me, im in your bottom half and its ok like.. mafia do not have to do anything right now.. the people here actually care.. we not just talking shit for the sake of it thats town br0
How am I calling the people I think are town not playing the game the right way?
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On June 11 2024 14:38 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I mean like I just don’t understand the ego here.
We both think trfel and Scott are town. We obviously think ourselves are town. Both of dmb and Sandro are voting each other.
The only contentious people are rayn/koshi v vivax
You're completely ignoring the quality of the arguments on both sides. We've put forward tons of strong reasons to suspect many people on the sandroba wagon. In contrast, the sandroba voters have pointed out that he has a three page filter. Some things just aren't equal.
You are completely ignoring the “my wagon is much more pure”
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+ that’s not my argument for Sandro being mafia at all?
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On June 11 2024 14:35 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:19 Trfel wrote:Honestly we need to think about possible outs here. On June 11 2024 09:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
sandroba (5); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby
die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, sandroba, AlphaZero
Vivax (2): Trfel, AlphaZero, Scott31337, Koshi, Mocsta, Alakaslam, die_meatbaby
Koshi (1): Vivax, sandroba
scott31337 (0): Vivax
With 5 votes, sandroba is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 12 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Looks like Alakaslam isn't playing anymore, unfortunately. This means that unless someone moves their vote from sandroba, sandroba is going to be lynched. This greatly restricts our lynch options. In fact, I don't think this gives us any alternative lynches at all. I guess our goal therefore has to be to either: 1. convince someone from the sandroba wagon to switch votes or 2. provide so much evidence that even with mafia getting a (presumably) free mislynch here, they are incriminated allowing us to lynch 3 mafia in a row Unfortunately it doesn't seem very realistic to win against five mafia :/ ah well. Correct me if I’m wrong This is assuming no blue actions Currently its 8-3 town-mafia After n2, it will be 6-3 town mafia After n3 it will be 4-3 town mafia. Even if Sandro is town, we still get 1 more mislynch to lylo. Why the doom and gloom? Hm, I thought tomorrow was LYLO. Point taken. This only applies if Alakaslam is replaced (unlikely) or is mafia, though. If he's town, a 4v3 without Alakaslam's vote is game over. Even if Alakaslam is mafia or replaced, you think it's reasonable for town, minus the best two players, to unite and lynch three mafia in a row when people are not listening in the slightest? It doesn't matter how obvious we make it, if people aren't going to listen it doesn't matter how good your argument is.
Who are the two best players? We also can lynch 1 mafia and 1 town then we have to lynch 2 mafia in a row. Or 2 mafia and 1 town then the last mafia. Or Sandro is mafia and we all are happy
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Idk man trfel you were chomping at the bit to lynch vivax this morning. He’s on the dmb wagon too.
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On June 11 2024 14:45 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 14:38 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 14:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I mean like I just don’t understand the ego here.
We both think trfel and Scott are town. We obviously think ourselves are town. Both of dmb and Sandro are voting each other.
The only contentious people are rayn/koshi v vivax
You're completely ignoring the quality of the arguments on both sides. We've put forward tons of strong reasons to suspect many people on the sandroba wagon. In contrast, the sandroba voters have pointed out that he has a three page filter. Some things just aren't equal. You are completely ignoring the “my wagon is much more pure” I'm not going to defend every single word AlphaZero says. If you think he's mafia, you can say why. If not, then I don't know why you are doing this. I think he's frustrated. There's plenty of reason to be frustrated. I'm not going to critique the littlest things that don't matter. In all honesty..... Should we lynch scott31337? Do we have the numbers? It might be better than lynching sandroba here, if it's possible.
Im doing this alphazero thing because it’s fucking annoying to talk to someone who is constantly saying that I’m playing the game wrongly when nobody has even flipped??
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On June 11 2024 14:46 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Idk man trfel you were chomping at the bit to lynch vivax this morning. He’s on the dmb wagon too. Maybe try reading a little? Just a little? I'm actually serious, if we are able to lynch scott31337 here and keep sandroba alive, I think that's absolutely worth doing.
Why do you want to keep Sandro alive so much actually? He’s been utterly useless to town
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On June 11 2024 14:46 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 14:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Idk man trfel you were chomping at the bit to lynch vivax this morning. He’s on the dmb wagon too. Maybe try reading a little? Just a little? I'm actually serious, if we are able to lynch scott31337 here and keep sandroba alive, I think that's absolutely worth doing.
And like this is the type of tone I’ve been using this game too so you want to propose to lynch yourself for being anti town too?
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Just calm down trfel. You don’t actually want to lynch scott
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On June 11 2024 15:11 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2024 10:50 Grackaroni wrote:
Cheating:
Cheating includes (but is not limited to):
(...)
[*] Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip.
(...) I seem to have found a loophole, I can apparently get myself modkilled as long as it doesn't help my team. Side note, curious if we are enforcing this: Show nested quote +On May 24 2024 10:50 Grackaroni wrote:
Play to win.
This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing.
Please cite examples of me being a jerk ty
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Okay let me reset because clearly this isn’t the way that any game should go.
I apologize for any of the posts I’ve made that are inflammatory and not relevant to the game/solving mafia.
I totally understand if your experience hasn’t been good and I am sorry about that.
Going forward I just want to have fun and enjoy playing mafia and I hope to foster an environment that it will be possible to have fun, win or lose
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Here’s my current situation. I think Sandro is the scummiest person in the game currently. I’m not interested in the construction of the wagons on d2.
To get me to vote for someone that isn’t Sandro, you have to convince me that the person is scummier than Sandro. Not any other way.
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Very fun that our lynch pool is afk Sandro and afk dmb
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I think we just keep it simple and lynch Sandro.
I don’t see the benefit of trying to swing for a home run here with Rayn
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On June 11 2024 21:49 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 21:34 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 10 2024 20:43 Koshi wrote:
I am 20000000% town on scott and if somebody calls him mafia I am just going to vote that person.
Like Vivax is. @vivax thats way to risky to post as mafia This I don‘t understand. Why ? Or the mocsta blue read. I don‘t think she‘d believe that was a legit claim.
You think she would be able to tell that mocsta was joking if she was town?
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On June 11 2024 21:56 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 21:52 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 21:49 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2024 21:34 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 10 2024 20:43 Koshi wrote:
I am 20000000% town on scott and if somebody calls him mafia I am just going to vote that person.
Like Vivax is. @vivax thats way to risky to post as mafia This I don‘t understand. Why ? Or the mocsta blue read. I don‘t think she‘d believe that was a legit claim. You think she would be able to tell that mocsta was joking if she was town? Looks like fake dumbtell to me. No one would believe his claim at night. Genius if he actually is though lol
Dmb dumb telled hella a lot in the other game that she played though
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I need to reread the dmb and Sandro interactions to figure out if they are likely scum/scum
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On June 11 2024 22:46 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 22:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
I need to reread the dmb and Sandro interactions to figure out if they are likely scum/scum How did you go If vivax/oats/mocsta jump onto there is a majority Would mean you being on a wagon with sandroba though
I’m sorry I don’t understand what this means
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On June 11 2024 23:01 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 13:43 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:00 Koshi wrote:
Sandro, Slam, Mocsta
(AZ instead of Mocsta but only because so many of you say it, they are not mafia together) can you help me why sandro? On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am sorry guys i dont see it, aside from him being away...
why? On June 10 2024 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:he was really townie when he was in thread tbh And then... On June 10 2024 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax go with me on sandroba, mocsta, az, ok? On June 10 2024 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 08:04 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:55 Trfel wrote:
Honestly my first impression is that Vivax and die_meatbaby are trying to distance from each other.
Could be that just one of them is mafia, or I guess maybe that neither is mafia, but I think both could also be mafia. I have reason to think they both (individually, separately) could be mafia, and very little reason to think otherwise.
Just seems like the most plausible explanation is one (or even both) of them decided to try and clutter the thread to defend themselves/distract from the actual arguments against them. i literally adviced them to do so, if you didnt catch that? Why are you making this argument? If you have to blame anyone, blame me for their "show"... @raynpelikoneet, I disagree that sandroba's posting was great when he was here. It was.... okay at best imo? But I don't think there's anything special about it. That doesn't mean he has to be mafia, but a lack of interesting or insightful thoughts, combined with nonexistent activity/involvement, is a reasonable case. i didn't say great. and i can't say he looks townie now when not posting. noone can. If you think sandroba is mafia, go ahead. I am just talking about what i know when people were posting. What? Maybe I phrased it poorly. What I meant was, it seems like they are both mafia, and realized that they're associating too closely and "fought" to try and change that. I know that's unflipped association, but it was my first thought.* If you really want to say that they did this due to your advice, I mean sure, I can lynch you after them *Asterisk means: as I thought about it more, I still think that the argument makes sense if only one of them is mafia, baiting the other one into the argument but overall accomplishing the purpose of cluttering the thread and distracting from the actual arguments at hand. Didn't you say sandroba's posting looked good or towny or something more positive? I forget the exact word. I wouldn't really attribute anything positive to it though, it felt solidly meh/null range. I was just bring it up since I think sandroba is very much worth considering, and you and marvellosity are the ones I think might benefit from reconsidering it. I dont think they are both mafia. I think sandroba is worth considering. Also, can anyone possibly believe this? On June 11 2024 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 05:39 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I should be on computer in somewhat 30mins.
Let it be known i already told AZ 6 hours ago i dont think case on vivax is strong. Vivax teaction to case wss also townie. I can write why the case is not hood an see how many people will still stick there. Don't bother, I can't imagine Vivax getting lynched. Is there any reason why I should think you are town? I made the best case anyone has this game. Can raynpelikoneet actually think that this: On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Is the best case in the game? I commented about this, but Trfel put it together nicely. Rayn goes from sandroba was really townie, to arguing with himself and putting me on scum list without any reason what so ever. Then after the weekend when I come back and I'm catching up and posting, he doubles down with contrieved reasons for finding me mafia. This is just random posting with an agenda, grasping at straws to keep up appearances. Rayn is mafia.
You think your posts when you came back were good? Like honestly truly should’ve made you townie?
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On June 11 2024 23:20 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 23:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 23:01 sandroba wrote:On June 11 2024 13:43 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:00 Koshi wrote:
Sandro, Slam, Mocsta
(AZ instead of Mocsta but only because so many of you say it, they are not mafia together) can you help me why sandro? On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am sorry guys i dont see it, aside from him being away...
why? On June 10 2024 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:he was really townie when he was in thread tbh And then... On June 10 2024 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax go with me on sandroba, mocsta, az, ok? On June 10 2024 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 08:04 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:55 Trfel wrote:
Honestly my first impression is that Vivax and die_meatbaby are trying to distance from each other.
Could be that just one of them is mafia, or I guess maybe that neither is mafia, but I think both could also be mafia. I have reason to think they both (individually, separately) could be mafia, and very little reason to think otherwise.
Just seems like the most plausible explanation is one (or even both) of them decided to try and clutter the thread to defend themselves/distract from the actual arguments against them. i literally adviced them to do so, if you didnt catch that? Why are you making this argument? If you have to blame anyone, blame me for their "show"... @raynpelikoneet, I disagree that sandroba's posting was great when he was here. It was.... okay at best imo? But I don't think there's anything special about it. That doesn't mean he has to be mafia, but a lack of interesting or insightful thoughts, combined with nonexistent activity/involvement, is a reasonable case. i didn't say great. and i can't say he looks townie now when not posting. noone can. If you think sandroba is mafia, go ahead. I am just talking about what i know when people were posting. What? Maybe I phrased it poorly. What I meant was, it seems like they are both mafia, and realized that they're associating too closely and "fought" to try and change that. I know that's unflipped association, but it was my first thought.* If you really want to say that they did this due to your advice, I mean sure, I can lynch you after them *Asterisk means: as I thought about it more, I still think that the argument makes sense if only one of them is mafia, baiting the other one into the argument but overall accomplishing the purpose of cluttering the thread and distracting from the actual arguments at hand. Didn't you say sandroba's posting looked good or towny or something more positive? I forget the exact word. I wouldn't really attribute anything positive to it though, it felt solidly meh/null range. I was just bring it up since I think sandroba is very much worth considering, and you and marvellosity are the ones I think might benefit from reconsidering it. I dont think they are both mafia. I think sandroba is worth considering. Also, can anyone possibly believe this? On June 11 2024 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 05:39 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I should be on computer in somewhat 30mins.
Let it be known i already told AZ 6 hours ago i dont think case on vivax is strong. Vivax teaction to case wss also townie. I can write why the case is not hood an see how many people will still stick there. Don't bother, I can't imagine Vivax getting lynched. Is there any reason why I should think you are town? I made the best case anyone has this game. Can raynpelikoneet actually think that this: On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Is the best case in the game? I commented about this, but Trfel put it together nicely. Rayn goes from sandroba was really townie, to arguing with himself and putting me on scum list without any reason what so ever. Then after the weekend when I come back and I'm catching up and posting, he doubles down with contrieved reasons for finding me mafia. This is just random posting with an agenda, grasping at straws to keep up appearances. Rayn is mafia. You think your posts when you came back were good? Like honestly truly should’ve made you townie? I can't know for sure how my posts would be perceived by different folks, I can just see what people wrote about them and if the interpretation and commentary seems believable according to what I think I know about that player's thought process.
Okay sell me on rayn. Saying “he shouldn’t be doing that it’s bad” I don’t think is a good argument
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@koshi,
When you said that trfel went from hero to zero, what moments did you think he was a hero in and what moments was he zero in
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On June 11 2024 23:43 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 23:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 23:20 sandroba wrote:On June 11 2024 23:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 23:01 sandroba wrote:On June 11 2024 13:43 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:00 Koshi wrote:
Sandro, Slam, Mocsta
(AZ instead of Mocsta but only because so many of you say it, they are not mafia together) can you help me why sandro? On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am sorry guys i dont see it, aside from him being away...
why? On June 10 2024 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:he was really townie when he was in thread tbh And then... On June 10 2024 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax go with me on sandroba, mocsta, az, ok? On June 10 2024 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 08:04 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:55 Trfel wrote:
Honestly my first impression is that Vivax and die_meatbaby are trying to distance from each other.
Could be that just one of them is mafia, or I guess maybe that neither is mafia, but I think both could also be mafia. I have reason to think they both (individually, separately) could be mafia, and very little reason to think otherwise.
Just seems like the most plausible explanation is one (or even both) of them decided to try and clutter the thread to defend themselves/distract from the actual arguments against them. i literally adviced them to do so, if you didnt catch that? Why are you making this argument? If you have to blame anyone, blame me for their "show"... @raynpelikoneet, I disagree that sandroba's posting was great when he was here. It was.... okay at best imo? But I don't think there's anything special about it. That doesn't mean he has to be mafia, but a lack of interesting or insightful thoughts, combined with nonexistent activity/involvement, is a reasonable case. i didn't say great. and i can't say he looks townie now when not posting. noone can. If you think sandroba is mafia, go ahead. I am just talking about what i know when people were posting. What? Maybe I phrased it poorly. What I meant was, it seems like they are both mafia, and realized that they're associating too closely and "fought" to try and change that. I know that's unflipped association, but it was my first thought.* If you really want to say that they did this due to your advice, I mean sure, I can lynch you after them *Asterisk means: as I thought about it more, I still think that the argument makes sense if only one of them is mafia, baiting the other one into the argument but overall accomplishing the purpose of cluttering the thread and distracting from the actual arguments at hand. Didn't you say sandroba's posting looked good or towny or something more positive? I forget the exact word. I wouldn't really attribute anything positive to it though, it felt solidly meh/null range. I was just bring it up since I think sandroba is very much worth considering, and you and marvellosity are the ones I think might benefit from reconsidering it. I dont think they are both mafia. I think sandroba is worth considering. Also, can anyone possibly believe this? On June 11 2024 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 05:39 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I should be on computer in somewhat 30mins.
Let it be known i already told AZ 6 hours ago i dont think case on vivax is strong. Vivax teaction to case wss also townie. I can write why the case is not hood an see how many people will still stick there. Don't bother, I can't imagine Vivax getting lynched. Is there any reason why I should think you are town? I made the best case anyone has this game. Can raynpelikoneet actually think that this: On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Is the best case in the game? I commented about this, but Trfel put it together nicely. Rayn goes from sandroba was really townie, to arguing with himself and putting me on scum list without any reason what so ever. Then after the weekend when I come back and I'm catching up and posting, he doubles down with contrieved reasons for finding me mafia. This is just random posting with an agenda, grasping at straws to keep up appearances. Rayn is mafia. You think your posts when you came back were good? Like honestly truly should’ve made you townie? I can't know for sure how my posts would be perceived by different folks, I can just see what people wrote about them and if the interpretation and commentary seems believable according to what I think I know about that player's thought process. Okay sell me on rayn. Saying “he shouldn’t be doing that it’s bad” I don’t think is a good argument Rayn has demonstrated 2 times with these incongruent reads, both around rsoul / koshi. First was when rsoul said she found me suspicious day 1. Rayn came into the thread and said this was "the best case so far" and that it made rsoul town. He then later asked rsoul what the case was about and also gave some contradicting meta on rsoul. At this point rayn by his own admission read me town. I contradicted the meta he posted, he agreed with my characterization and still stuck with his read. His read on rsoul was completely fabricated out of thin air, all the basis for it where fake. And the latest one with koshi, starts with rayn opinion on my posts: Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:he was really townie when he was in thread tbh Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi i can't see it, can you help me see it? Koshi nor anyone say anything about me between this post and this post: Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax go with me on sandroba, mocsta, az, ok? In between there is incongruent and seemly random commentary about koshi's posts: Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fuck koshi is 100% town... for anyone who is wondering. Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 03:46 Koshi wrote:
If marv has me in his PoE this game will be solved anyway. We will see if he lynches either sandroba or mocsta with me. Exciting times ahead.
The question is. Should I get lynched this game? very good post. Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 03:55 Koshi wrote:On June 10 2024 03:53 AlphaZero wrote:
Marv is enjoying himself too much to be mafia imo.
Yes. Exciting because I think I am not super terrible and think sandroba and mocsta really have a good shot at being mafia and I actually have a lot of townreads. very terrible post.- Rayn progression shows no rational line of thought whatsoever, it's like night and day from the previous game where anyone who read his posts could clearly see where he was coming from.
Thank you for this, I will ponder
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On June 12 2024 02:00 scott31337 wrote:
Oats you still around? I know you asked for my presence. I'm around for a bit.
Not really, just wanted you to play
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On June 12 2024 02:07 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 02:04 scott31337 wrote:On June 12 2024 01:31 Mocsta wrote:
Anyways dmb treat me as blue macosta
Is vivax still your scum read,?
As in you both are calling each other scum? Yes - and there's three theories I have 1. Mafia DMB saw the claim believed the claim told scum buddies of the claim - scum team thought Marv as more of a threat - Mafia DMB keeps posting about the claim in the thread 2. DMB is town 3. Mafia thought the claim was fake Which makes the most sense? There *HAS* to be scum between DMB/Sandroba.. im going to lose my hair if both are town
Has to be scum between dmb/sandro
Votes rayn
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@mocsta: Not really sure why you say Sandro is in your town circle then a couple posts later you say there has to be mafia in Sandro/dmb
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On June 11 2024 23:43 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 23:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 23:20 sandroba wrote:On June 11 2024 23:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2024 23:01 sandroba wrote:On June 11 2024 13:43 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:00 Koshi wrote:
Sandro, Slam, Mocsta
(AZ instead of Mocsta but only because so many of you say it, they are not mafia together) can you help me why sandro? On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am sorry guys i dont see it, aside from him being away...
why? On June 10 2024 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:he was really townie when he was in thread tbh And then... On June 10 2024 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax go with me on sandroba, mocsta, az, ok? On June 10 2024 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 08:04 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 07:55 Trfel wrote:
Honestly my first impression is that Vivax and die_meatbaby are trying to distance from each other.
Could be that just one of them is mafia, or I guess maybe that neither is mafia, but I think both could also be mafia. I have reason to think they both (individually, separately) could be mafia, and very little reason to think otherwise.
Just seems like the most plausible explanation is one (or even both) of them decided to try and clutter the thread to defend themselves/distract from the actual arguments against them. i literally adviced them to do so, if you didnt catch that? Why are you making this argument? If you have to blame anyone, blame me for their "show"... @raynpelikoneet, I disagree that sandroba's posting was great when he was here. It was.... okay at best imo? But I don't think there's anything special about it. That doesn't mean he has to be mafia, but a lack of interesting or insightful thoughts, combined with nonexistent activity/involvement, is a reasonable case. i didn't say great. and i can't say he looks townie now when not posting. noone can. If you think sandroba is mafia, go ahead. I am just talking about what i know when people were posting. What? Maybe I phrased it poorly. What I meant was, it seems like they are both mafia, and realized that they're associating too closely and "fought" to try and change that. I know that's unflipped association, but it was my first thought.* If you really want to say that they did this due to your advice, I mean sure, I can lynch you after them *Asterisk means: as I thought about it more, I still think that the argument makes sense if only one of them is mafia, baiting the other one into the argument but overall accomplishing the purpose of cluttering the thread and distracting from the actual arguments at hand. Didn't you say sandroba's posting looked good or towny or something more positive? I forget the exact word. I wouldn't really attribute anything positive to it though, it felt solidly meh/null range. I was just bring it up since I think sandroba is very much worth considering, and you and marvellosity are the ones I think might benefit from reconsidering it. I dont think they are both mafia. I think sandroba is worth considering. Also, can anyone possibly believe this? On June 11 2024 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2024 05:39 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I should be on computer in somewhat 30mins.
Let it be known i already told AZ 6 hours ago i dont think case on vivax is strong. Vivax teaction to case wss also townie. I can write why the case is not hood an see how many people will still stick there. Don't bother, I can't imagine Vivax getting lynched. Is there any reason why I should think you are town? I made the best case anyone has this game. Can raynpelikoneet actually think that this: On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Is the best case in the game? I commented about this, but Trfel put it together nicely. Rayn goes from sandroba was really townie, to arguing with himself and putting me on scum list without any reason what so ever. Then after the weekend when I come back and I'm catching up and posting, he doubles down with contrieved reasons for finding me mafia. This is just random posting with an agenda, grasping at straws to keep up appearances. Rayn is mafia. You think your posts when you came back were good? Like honestly truly should’ve made you townie? I can't know for sure how my posts would be perceived by different folks, I can just see what people wrote about them and if the interpretation and commentary seems believable according to what I think I know about that player's thought process. Okay sell me on rayn. Saying “he shouldn’t be doing that it’s bad” I don’t think is a good argument Rayn has demonstrated 2 times with these incongruent reads, both around rsoul / koshi. First was when rsoul said she found me suspicious day 1. Rayn came into the thread and said this was "the best case so far" and that it made rsoul town. He then later asked rsoul what the case was about and also gave some contradicting meta on rsoul. At this point rayn by his own admission read me town. I contradicted the meta he posted, he agreed with my characterization and still stuck with his read. His read on rsoul was completely fabricated out of thin air, all the basis for it where fake. And the latest one with koshi, starts with rayn opinion on my posts: Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:he was really townie when he was in thread tbh Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi i can't see it, can you help me see it? Koshi nor anyone say anything about me between this post and this post: Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax go with me on sandroba, mocsta, az, ok? In between there is incongruent and seemly random commentary about koshi's posts: Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fuck koshi is 100% town... for anyone who is wondering. Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 03:46 Koshi wrote:
If marv has me in his PoE this game will be solved anyway. We will see if he lynches either sandroba or mocsta with me. Exciting times ahead.
The question is. Should I get lynched this game? very good post. Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 07:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 03:55 Koshi wrote:On June 10 2024 03:53 AlphaZero wrote:
Marv is enjoying himself too much to be mafia imo.
Yes. Exciting because I think I am not super terrible and think sandroba and mocsta really have a good shot at being mafia and I actually have a lot of townreads. very terrible post.- Rayn progression shows no rational line of thought whatsoever, it's like night and day from the previous game where anyone who read his posts could clearly see where he was coming from.
The first part of this, I’m not really sure why Rayn would change his read on rsoul based on what you said because rsoul wasn’t doing what you described at that point anyway. I couldn’t find a quote where rayn said that rsouls case on you was the best case in the game while also saying you were very townie.
The second one, koshi does post this between the two posts you pointed out
On June 10 2024 07:22 Koshi wrote:No I am going to bed. I dont like sandroba because there is 0 emotion in his play. Very analytical posts, no "wrong or cheap" stuff to figure out the game. I dont know. It almost looks too stereotypical one sided to be mafia. Like... why would you play mafia like that.
I’m not really sure why you omitted that but I think this is pretty convincing from koshi and could easily explain why rayn flipped onto you.
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On June 12 2024 06:10 Alakaslam wrote:
We are thinking Sandro is mafia? Whose filter has the case?
Rayn mine koshi
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On June 12 2024 06:38 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 06:35 AlphaZero wrote:
Rayn: I explained in the chat the observation about the resistance to the Scott wagon was good, but the conclusion was wrong. Ie it’s not about my alignment or marvs. It’s about what the mafia were pushing and why.
Please don’t misrepresent that. If you read my filter I raised that point multiple times and specifically mentioned it again in the chat. Now you are being dumb.
And I agreed with your take on me being dumb day 2 in the chat because it tracks with my much reduced investment levels and lack of confidence in alignments.
You are not representing either point accurately or in good faith.
Why? Hot damn maybe I am now team "lynch Oatsmaster and Raynpelikoneet"
Slow down slam, nobody’s alignment is predicated on someone else’s alignment
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On June 12 2024 07:28 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 07:23 Koshi wrote:
It screams "I have no conviction and will park my vote anywhere it benefits me" Well no, he didn‘t vote me while having the opportunity. You did. Dmb did.
He wasn’t here when you were being wagoned lol
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On June 12 2024 07:57 Mocsta wrote:
Oats - slam voting sandroba sealed his fate as majority
I'm going to keep my vote where it is
This is just a waiting game to deadline
Why aren’t you trying to convince me to vote someone else?
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On June 12 2024 08:19 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 08:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 07:57 Mocsta wrote:
Oats - slam voting sandroba sealed his fate as majority
I'm going to keep my vote where it is
This is just a waiting game to deadline Why aren’t you trying to convince me to vote someone else? Have you seen the vote discrepancy? It's pointless. Literally this game feels like being in day 5 Yes oats I've given up for this cycle. You got your lynch let's see what unfolds
It’s 6-3, hardly insurmountable
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On June 12 2024 08:23 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 08:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 08:19 Mocsta wrote:On June 12 2024 08:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 07:57 Mocsta wrote:
Oats - slam voting sandroba sealed his fate as majority
I'm going to keep my vote where it is
This is just a waiting game to deadline Why aren’t you trying to convince me to vote someone else? Have you seen the vote discrepancy? It's pointless. Literally this game feels like being in day 5 Yes oats I've given up for this cycle. You got your lynch let's see what unfolds It’s 6-3, hardly insurmountable Who? Scott's come in and won't change Slam came in and I assume wont change. Not even sure if here Trfel has been in and no change. Appreciate you are considering. That's a great sign. It's just it goes 5-5 on dmb but sandroba held 5 first and still is majority.
Rayn koshi and me are here lol I really don’t get why you are being so defeatist
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On June 12 2024 08:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 08:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 08:23 Mocsta wrote:On June 12 2024 08:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 08:19 Mocsta wrote:On June 12 2024 08:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 07:57 Mocsta wrote:
Oats - slam voting sandroba sealed his fate as majority
I'm going to keep my vote where it is
This is just a waiting game to deadline Why aren’t you trying to convince me to vote someone else? Have you seen the vote discrepancy? It's pointless. Literally this game feels like being in day 5 Yes oats I've given up for this cycle. You got your lynch let's see what unfolds It’s 6-3, hardly insurmountable Who? Scott's come in and won't change Slam came in and I assume wont change. Not even sure if here Trfel has been in and no change. Appreciate you are considering. That's a great sign. It's just it goes 5-5 on dmb but sandroba held 5 first and still is majority. Rayn koshi and me are here lol I really don’t get why you are being so defeatist I do get it though.
Well I mean yes that but like town!mocsta context
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On June 12 2024 08:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Does anyone know where mason went D1 or was it mafia?
Unused so mafia prob
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On June 12 2024 08:42 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 08:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 08:23 Mocsta wrote:On June 12 2024 08:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 08:19 Mocsta wrote:On June 12 2024 08:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 07:57 Mocsta wrote:
Oats - slam voting sandroba sealed his fate as majority
I'm going to keep my vote where it is
This is just a waiting game to deadline Why aren’t you trying to convince me to vote someone else? Have you seen the vote discrepancy? It's pointless. Literally this game feels like being in day 5 Yes oats I've given up for this cycle. You got your lynch let's see what unfolds It’s 6-3, hardly insurmountable Who? Scott's come in and won't change Slam came in and I assume wont change. Not even sure if here Trfel has been in and no change. Appreciate you are considering. That's a great sign. It's just it goes 5-5 on dmb but sandroba held 5 first and still is majority. Rayn koshi and me are here lol I really don’t get why you are being so defeatist well they are my scum reads..?? Wha tdo you expect me to do There's not enough thread control to force mafia to side with town in my opinion
I really don’t understand your approach. You don’t know any else’s alignment. Why are you so like “oh my scum reads won’t vote for my read because they are mafia and I’m sure that my reads are all correct”
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On June 12 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 09:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 08:42 Mocsta wrote:On June 12 2024 08:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 08:23 Mocsta wrote:On June 12 2024 08:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 08:19 Mocsta wrote:On June 12 2024 08:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 07:57 Mocsta wrote:
Oats - slam voting sandroba sealed his fate as majority
I'm going to keep my vote where it is
This is just a waiting game to deadline Why aren’t you trying to convince me to vote someone else? Have you seen the vote discrepancy? It's pointless. Literally this game feels like being in day 5 Yes oats I've given up for this cycle. You got your lynch let's see what unfolds It’s 6-3, hardly insurmountable Who? Scott's come in and won't change Slam came in and I assume wont change. Not even sure if here Trfel has been in and no change. Appreciate you are considering. That's a great sign. It's just it goes 5-5 on dmb but sandroba held 5 first and still is majority. Rayn koshi and me are here lol I really don’t get why you are being so defeatist well they are my scum reads..?? Wha tdo you expect me to do There's not enough thread control to force mafia to side with town in my opinion I really don’t understand your approach. You don’t know any else’s alignment. Why are you so like “oh my scum reads won’t vote for my read because they are mafia and I’m sure that my reads are all correct” maybe that's something I can improve in the future I mean I'm not 100% on my reads obviously.. it's just I'm at a point I can work with 9 of 11 players.. unfortunately the two willing to talk (who knows maybe move as well) happen to be the two I won't work with. Sorry oats
I don’t get it though, they might not follow you but you’ve seen how persistent I can be so why wouldn’t they follow me?
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I think yall have miscommunication
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Vivax you think it’s dmb rayn koshi?
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On June 12 2024 10:39 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, trfel, Alakaslam
die_meatbaby (3): Vivax, AlphaZero, sandroba
raynpelikoneet(1): Mocsta,
Vivax (0):
Koshi (0):
scott31337 (0):
in my world.view sandroba is more likely to flip town and the by votes I need to look into slam and what led him to +1 sandroba
Why are you not coloring Sandro green
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On June 12 2024 10:44 Vivax wrote:No I just wrote it for fun. Cmon dude
Idk I’m not really reading your posts
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On June 12 2024 10:50 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 10:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 12 2024 10:39 Mocsta wrote:On June 12 2024 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, trfel, Alakaslam
die_meatbaby (3): Vivax, AlphaZero, sandroba
raynpelikoneet(1): Mocsta,
Vivax (0):
Koshi (0):
scott31337 (0):
in my world.view sandroba is more likely to flip town and the by votes I need to look into slam and what led him to +1 sandroba Why are you not coloring Sandro green Cos he's not lock He's not null but I won't go to death with him like I would with you
But you colored rayn and koshi red with the assumption that Sandro is green
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At least the game is making sense
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Mafia pls kill trfel I don’t wanna die
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The moc flailing was incredibly obvious for what benefit though? Especially when trfel went onto Sandro that’s kinda it for him
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I don’t disagree with you but that was crazy
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Vivax where you at right now
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On June 13 2024 02:13 Vivax wrote:Not so fast buddy you could invite me to dinner first + Show Spoiler +
Reads silly
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On June 13 2024 02:51 scott31337 wrote:
Would you drop your reads as well before EoN Oats
Koshi also
And AlphaZero
Yeah
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On June 13 2024 05:22 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 12:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mafia pls kill trfel I don’t wanna die I mean what is Oats playing. This post and him asking me stuff repearedly that I literally said 5 minutes ago is just not very trust inducing.
Sir I want to play the game
Also you didn’t post your reads after the flip so idk what you are saying
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On June 13 2024 05:24 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 03:54 Koshi wrote:
No. If I am alive tomorrow I revisit everything.
I dont have a preffered lynch target.
I wont lynch Oats. Is this a pocketing attempt because it reads like one.
It’s working koshi top top town
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I don’t think I’ll reach lylo tbh big sad
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Az/rayn, please summarize what the whispers were for the day
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On June 13 2024 07:02 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 06:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Az/rayn, please summarize what the whispers were for the day Rayn can if he wants. I don’t have time for that shit.
Current read on rayn?
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On June 13 2024 08:58 die_meatbaby wrote:
Someone here who wants to talk actually about the game?
Reads
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On June 13 2024 09:14 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 09:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 13 2024 08:58 die_meatbaby wrote:
Someone here who wants to talk actually about the game? Reads Koshi town Scott town Rayn kinda townisch Trfl maybe town You maybe town Vivax behaving strange scummy and townisch but more scummy in my eyes Az scummy M scummy Slam too less posts to make a read on him
Would be kinda odd for both az and mocsta to be off of Sandro and on you. If there was 1 mafia in your town reads who would it be?
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On June 13 2024 09:21 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 09:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 13 2024 09:14 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 09:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 13 2024 08:58 die_meatbaby wrote:
Someone here who wants to talk actually about the game? Reads Koshi town Scott town Rayn kinda townisch Trfl maybe town You maybe town Vivax behaving strange scummy and townisch but more scummy in my eyes Az scummy M scummy Slam too less posts to make a read on him Would be kinda odd for both az and mocsta to be off of Sandro and on you. If there was 1 mafia in your town reads who would it be? Wouldn't that be smart for mafia to be not on the wagon to look more townisch
Not if it’s both of them on effectively the same person for most of the day
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On June 13 2024 09:40 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 09:14 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 09:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 13 2024 08:58 die_meatbaby wrote:
Someone here who wants to talk actually about the game? Reads Koshi town Scott town Rayn kinda townisch Trfl maybe town You maybe town Vivax behaving strange scummy and townisch but more scummy in my eyes Az scummy M scummy Slam too less posts to make a read on him This is just too many scum reads with only two left. I appreciate you sharing though. Would you please broaden or be a bit more specific, especially if you are town?
? She has 3 scum reads how is that too many lol
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On June 13 2024 09:41 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 09:33 Vivax wrote:On June 13 2024 09:28 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 09:16 Mocsta wrote:On June 13 2024 09:14 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 09:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 13 2024 08:58 die_meatbaby wrote:
Someone here who wants to talk actually about the game? Reads Koshi town Scott town Rayn kinda townisch Trfl maybe town You maybe town Vivax behaving strange scummy and townisch but more scummy in my eyes Az scummy M scummy Slam too less posts to make a read on him I'm glad you mentioned vivax oddness with the couple stuff First time.it plucked my heart strings.. now not at all If I'm scum with sandroba.. how do you view the interactions with sandroba and vivax? strange. I really can´t explain, but he just playing like never before and was reading a lot of games from him. It feels like he don´t want to have interactions if anybody or at least just short ones also this post feeling kinda scummy for me On June 13 2024 07:55 Vivax wrote:On June 13 2024 07:14 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2024 07:02 AlphaZero wrote:
Scott do you stil think im mafia? Yeah I do. Since I know you'll ask why - The main reason is you seem to be allergic to vote for other mafia. Lowkey townie. Takes balls as mafia to not bus here I think that he is praising himself here Not really but I just realized I was thinking from scott‘s frame of thinking and shortly afterwards I realized he might have slipped a rock hard townread of unknown origins on you. how should I get townreads because of scott? If that is what you trying to tell me
Vivax is trying to say Scott has tmi
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Nah there’s no shot it’s az and vivax
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GG why did you kill me rayn (
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On June 21 2024 11:21 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2024 11:07 rsoultin wrote:
i literally had it as a too scummy to be scum that not wanting to lynch dmb while calling slam town that's mb
but scott isn't scum so >> \o/ i get to make faces at marv. i consider this a win
so this is what a dp towngame looks like. dude, idk if i can tell the difference other than i felt more heard by him this game while i was playing That’s the plan. 😝
Sir why did you lynch vivax
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On June 21 2024 11:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:I thought you were blue for whatever reason, i was genuinely super busy and that was definitely a mistake haha ^^
Nah yall still lose :p
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