Don't think I am lynching rsoultin, AlphaZero, or raynpelikoneet today. Probably not Vivax either. Don't really want to lynch anyone, scott31337 and Oatsmaster are the most interesting to me but I don't have any real reasons either way?

Idk scott31337 feels like maybe the toughest person for me to read. I just struggle to figure him out. Heck, I think I'd have a better chance at reading Chezinu. It's my fault, I just don't know how to fix it...

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 07 2024 05:07 GMT

#142

On June 07 2024 14:04 rsoultin wrote:
Lol I'm so curious but I don't think there's a chance in hell I'll be able to tell. Who likes to be called 'Alpha'?

Palmar.
But its not Palmar.

Trfel

7015 Posts

June 07 2024 05:09 GMT

#143

I think the whisperer mechanic favors skill most of all. It can be powerful or negligible for either alignment, honestly it just depends on how effectively it is used. It's possibly a little easier for town to get value from it, though.

Has it been confirmed that AlphaZero is indeed a smurf? Or is our community so dead that we can't possibly have just gotten a new player?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 07 2024 05:10 GMT

#144

Im openly hoping mafia is marv, sandroba and kelsier, so i can lynch them in D1, 2 and 3, but all of rhem D 1.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 07 2024 05:11 GMT

#145

On June 07 2024 14:09 Trfel wrote:
I think the whisperer mechanic favors skill most of all. It can be powerful or negligible for either alignment, honestly it just depends on how effectively it is used. It's possibly a little easier for town to get value from it, though.

Has it been confirmed that AlphaZero is indeed a smurf? Or is our community so dead that we can't possibly have just gotten a new player?

He's definitely skilled in mafia.

Trfel

7015 Posts

June 07 2024 05:13 GMT

#146

On June 07 2024 14:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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He's definitely skilled in mafia.

Oh sure but aren't there plenty of mafia forums?

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

June 07 2024 05:15 GMT

#147

I mean I don't remember the exact posts cause swiss cheese brain but that's the impression I've gotten, that Alpha's a smurf. And I get that, truffle, I feel that way about Rayn. I've been wrong on him so many times @.@ so I'm just gonna treat him as town until/unless I have an issue with him and if he's hoodwinking me hope someone else catches him haha ><

The problem with the Alpha thing is so many TL mafia folks have egos how do you tell? xD

Trfel

7015 Posts

June 07 2024 05:22 GMT

#148

I guess I'm not used to raynpelikoneet being this insightful? Insightful probably isn't the right word, but idk what is, just that his line of thinking was reasonable but also never would have crossed my mind. It makes it feel much more genuine than something with more "normal" reasoning.

Could raynpelikoneet pull it off as mafia, I guess probably, he can pretty much do anything as mafia, but I think it's a decent reason to not suspect him for now. Still worth mentioning at this time.

I don't think I would have any chance at figuring out a smurf's identity anyway. Good thing meta is overrated

Trfel

7015 Posts

June 07 2024 05:25 GMT

#149

I mean if you reeeeeally want to figure out who AlphaZero could be, the biggest clue imo is the time. Reasonable Europeans are asleep right now (you two are clearly not reasonable), I think AlphaZero not being European is a reasonable assumption. Also, if you assume that AlphaZero is a decent player, I think most of the decent players are European. So that would be where I would start.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 07 2024 05:26 GMT

#150

On June 07 2024 14:13 Trfel wrote:

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Oh sure but aren't there plenty of mafia forums?

That's true. Most of them (all of them) don't share our playing culture though (going RVS and shit instead).

Talk to me (and rsoultin) more about Vivax and Oats. I think Vivax' opener on scott was pretty basic vivax. Oats i have given my impression so far. I have somewhat hard time understanding where you actually stand on them because you disliked Vivax based on what was basically a case on Oats. :D

Trfel

7015 Posts

June 07 2024 05:26 GMT

#151

Honestly it could just be DarthPunk but I probably have negative odds of figuring it out, if you two weren't so focused on it I wouldn't even bother

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 07 2024 05:27 GMT

#152

[QUOTE]On June 07 2024 14:22 Trfel wrote:
]I guess I'm not used to raynpelikoneet being this insightful?/QUOTE]
what exactly do you mean?

Trfel

7015 Posts

June 07 2024 05:35 GMT

#153

On June 07 2024 14:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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That's true. Most of them (all of them) don't share our playing culture though (going RVS and shit instead).

Hm, I thought there were a few that were a little more similar? I could absolutely be wrong, I know next to nothing about them though.

I don't know what to think about Oatsmaster, Oatsmaster is a little tough for me because historically, he tends to be the opposite alignment of whatever I think he is. His playstyle, at least to me, is like he tends to throw criticism/shade at people in passing instead of getting super involved himself. Strangely, the games where he has more direction are the ones where he has been mafia, and the ones where he's been less involved he's been town. I would have expected the opposite for this playstyle. So I don't really know about Oatsmaster, especially not yet.

My point though is that I have a very hard time understanding how Vivax gets anything resembling towny vibes from Oatsmaster's first two posts. I could see not caring and aloof-ness being towny, but I honestly don't even get those from the posts. I get a bit of petulance (assuming I actually know what that word means, my vocabulary is pretty abysmal) but I don't really think that is alignment indicative tbh.

I don't think it makes Vivax mafia, especially since rsoultin had the same takeway as Vivax, maybe my view on it is just off. It feels a bit weird, maybe it's nothing, and like I said even if it is a stretch of a read it's okay to do that so early in the game, I just don't really know much else that sticks out to me.

Trfel

7015 Posts

June 07 2024 05:39 GMT

#154

On June 07 2024 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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what exactly do you mean?

If you could be a bit better with your quotes I'd appreciate it, it's hard for me to fix it on my phone, my stupid thumb is too big and I can't get the cursor to go to the right spot ><

I tried to explain it in the post you quoted? Basically raynpelikoneet wasn't just taking your words at their surface value/meaning but was drawing conclusions about how previous history affects those subtle things about early posts/reads in a way I thought was surprising and insightful. Very original line of thought.

Trfel

7015 Posts

June 07 2024 05:41 GMT

#155

Also sorry for some reason I thought I was talking to rsoultin but that was actually raynpelikoneet. Sorry for the weird third person, not trying to ignore you ><

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 07 2024 05:43 GMT

#156

I personally think Oats is even more nitpicky than i am as town, i know two games ago, when he was mafia caught by Slam's check, he was imitating that game very well. However last game was a very pretty town sweep on mafia, and Oats even himself said he didn't have any chance to even do anything because everyone just looked so town. So like, in that game he ended up getiing into the argument about drawings, that was not in itself mafia!Oats, but when it went on and on and on, it became more and more mafia!Oats. Oats is generally really easy read for me even at the start of the game and rn all i can say is "meh", even as he hasn't really been around.

I agree with your non-conclusion of Vivax (lol).

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 07 2024 05:44 GMT

#157

On June 07 2024 14:41 Trfel wrote:
Also sorry for some reason I thought I was talking to rsoultin but that was actually raynpelikoneet. Sorry for the weird third person, not trying to ignore you ><

Okay that makes sense.

Trfel

7015 Posts

June 07 2024 05:49 GMT

#158

On June 07 2024 14:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I personally think Oats is even more nitpicky than i am as town, i know two games ago, when he was mafia caught by Slam's check, he was imitating that game very well. However last game was a very pretty town sweep on mafia, and Oats even himself said he didn't have any chance to even do anything because everyone just looked so town. So like, in that game he ended up getiing into the argument about drawings, that was not in itself mafia!Oats, but when it went on and on and on, it became more and more mafia!Oats. Oats is generally really easy read for me even at the start of the game and rn all i can say is "meh", even as he hasn't really been around.

I agree with your non-conclusion of Vivax (lol).

Okay, show off

Maybe it's easy for you but some of us (or maybe just be) are struggling back here, haha. I'll work on it.

Idk, at first I thought maybe it meant something about Vivax, as time has passed I've become less and less confident in that. So now idk. When in doubt, lynch scott31337?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

June 07 2024 05:53 GMT

#159

Maybe Vivax can tell what he meant, i don't understand that comment on Oats either, i am with you on that.

Trfel

7015 Posts

June 07 2024 05:54 GMT

#160

Wasn't there a thing with Oatsmaster and game rules like 2-3 games ago? Like either Oatsmaster blatantly didn't know the game rules twice in a row or someone else did that and Oatsmaster called them out on it?

If it was the former then I don't think it means anything, but if it was the latter... I think it was the former but maybe worth checking?