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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 07 2024 05:57 GMT
#161
Pretty sure his post of not reading the rules was a joke regardless of his alignment.
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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 07 2024 05:58 GMT
#162
Okay so it was the former. Still though I have a hard time understanding Oatsmaster's posts..... Idk maybe he's just town because his posting looks really awful but I don't think he would do that as mafia because he knows better and can do better? Which is a pretty darn stupid argument but it's the best I have?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 07 2024 06:01 GMT
#163
On June 07 2024 14:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Pretty sure his post of not reading the rules was a joke regardless of his alignment.
You think so? I actually think he meant it.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 07 2024 06:03 GMT
#164
Like the part I don't get most is that he really really really didn't interact with anyone or get involved. Even when I tried to draw him out a bit. Why come and post in a way that's not productive or interactive? It just looks bad. Which is actually why I think he may be town because of it, it's kinda wifom, but mafia generally isn't going to make themselves look bad for no reason. I think he might be town and just not care that much.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 07 2024 06:06 GMT
#165
I guess it's a pretty darn stupid line of reasoning and it's incredibly wifom but unfortunately I don't have anything better :/
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 07 2024 06:07 GMT
#166
On June 07 2024 15:01 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2024 14:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Pretty sure his post of not reading the rules was a joke regardless of his alignment.
You think so? I actually think he meant it.

Why?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 07 2024 06:09 GMT
#167
On June 07 2024 15:03 Trfel wrote:
Like the part I don't get most is that he really really really didn't interact with anyone or get involved. Even when I tried to draw him out a bit. Why come and post in a way that's not productive or interactive? It just looks bad. Which is actually why I think he may be town because of it, it's kinda wifom, but mafia generally isn't going to make themselves look bad for no reason. I think he might be town and just not care that much.

I think you're trying to justify why Oats is town based on why he would be mafia.

But okay, how do you think this is different from the last game?
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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 07 2024 06:13 GMT
#168
On June 07 2024 15:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2024 15:01 Trfel wrote:
On June 07 2024 14:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Pretty sure his post of not reading the rules was a joke regardless of his alignment.
You think so? I actually think he meant it.

Why?
It's in character for Oatsmaster to not read the rules, see two games ago (the 500+ page game).

Also, I don't think it serves any purpose as a joke, it's pretty much out of the blue and tbh it isn't really funny or interesting. Like, why would he read the rules and then say he didn't? I just don't see any incentive or motivation for it.

It really makes me think he's posting to draw attention and for the sake of posting. Idk, I feel like I am going in circles. Tired Trfel is tired

Someone come in with super insight and save me? Please?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 07 2024 06:17 GMT
#169
On June 07 2024 15:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2024 15:03 Trfel wrote:
Like the part I don't get most is that he really really really didn't interact with anyone or get involved. Even when I tried to draw him out a bit. Why come and post in a way that's not productive or interactive? It just looks bad. Which is actually why I think he may be town because of it, it's kinda wifom, but mafia generally isn't going to make themselves look bad for no reason. I think he might be town and just not care that much.

I think you're trying to justify why Oats is town based on why he would be mafia.

But okay, how do you think this is different from the last game?
Yes, this exactly what I am doing. Glad you understand

Last game, Oatsmaster at least had a direction. Like at the start, before he got too focused on the MS Paint timestamps, he at least had an argument and was trying to get it across. Here, he's literally just being present (but uninvolved) and suspicious. It's completely different imo?

To think that I have generally thought that "too scummy to be scum" is a stupid argument
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 07 2024 06:18 GMT
#170
Oats has played a couple of these games, they are the same.
Semi-open setup + whisperer.

What is there to read in the OP / rules? If it is not a joke, why does he post that in the first place because he already knows the rules....
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 07 2024 06:21 GMT
#171
On June 07 2024 15:17 Trfel wrote:
Last game, Oatsmaster at least had a direction. Like at the start, before he got too focused on the MS Paint timestamps, he at least had an argument and was trying to get it across. Here, he's literally just being present (but uninvolved) and suspicious. It's completely different imo?

yes i agree with this.
i dont necessarily agree it makes him town.
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AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 07 2024 06:32 GMT
#172
Trfel what happened to your pressure on Vivax?

From what I can see, you thought his oats read was off and then the next thing you said was you didn't want to lynch him today?
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 07 2024 06:33 GMT
#173
How familiar are you with Trfel, AZ?
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AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 07 2024 06:36 GMT
#174
On June 07 2024 15:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How familiar are you with Trfel, AZ?


Familiar enough to agree with your assessment of his play as 'weird' this game.
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 07 2024 06:37 GMT
#175
I don't think he's being weird anymore though, i think he is town.
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AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 07 2024 06:39 GMT
#176
On June 07 2024 15:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't think he's being weird anymore though, i think he is town.


What does it mean that he was weird earlier though?

I just feel like he is being a lot more 'confident' and less wishy-washy than I associate with his town play.

I agree that this looks town-like on the surface, but it also strikes me as 'other'
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 07 2024 06:44 GMT
#177
On June 07 2024 15:39 AlphaZero wrote:
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On June 07 2024 15:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't think he's being weird anymore though, i think he is town.


What does it mean that he was weird earlier though?

I just feel like he is being a lot more 'confident' and less wishy-washy than I associate with his town play.

I agree that this looks town-like on the surface, but it also strikes me as 'other'

I think i explained that in a post towards him or rsoultin.

I just went through the last couple of pages, and i agree you may have a point. Like Trfel is defending Oats (and not talking about Vivax), when i asked him (and rsoul) about both of them. I mean if he so strongly feels Oats is not acting in a scummy way, why not change the discussion to Vivax with like "hey rayn i think Oats might be town, can we talk about Vivax instead" or something.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 07 2024 06:44 GMT
#178
On June 07 2024 13:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2024 13:24 Trfel wrote:
On June 07 2024 13:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sn now Trfel is not that weird anymore
Why was I weird?

You were "happier" than usual, and started by joking for pages instead of going super serious (in contrary to even games where you said beforw game youre not gonna be auper serious..)

Also somehow i have considered you and rsoultin kinda like "best buddies" from my memory like 8 years ago and it was bugging me you didnt have any conversation with her, until she made imo a good conclusion of you needing to do more to gain trust or smth (points to her for that).

I was about to make a post about it already but i wanted to have this scott rhing unfolded first and then that other thing unfolded itself kind of

this was about Trfel being weird imo.
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AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 07 2024 06:47 GMT
#179
On June 07 2024 14:58 Trfel wrote:
Okay so it was the former. Still though I have a hard time understanding Oatsmaster's posts..... Idk maybe he's just town because his posting looks really awful but I don't think he would do that as mafia because he knows better and can do better? Which is a pretty darn stupid argument but it's the best I have?


On June 07 2024 15:03 Trfel wrote:
Like the part I don't get most is that he really really really didn't interact with anyone or get involved. Even when I tried to draw him out a bit. Why come and post in a way that's not productive or interactive? It just looks bad. Which is actually why I think he may be town because of it, it's kinda wifom, but mafia generally isn't going to make themselves look bad for no reason. I think he might be town and just not care that much.


I agree with this analysis, but I don't see how this can co-exist with Trfel finding Vivax's vibe read on oats as weird.

To me, this is a protracted version of the same read.

I'm interested to see what you think of Vivax's read now trfel.
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 07 2024 06:47 GMT
#180
I however think Trfel has a lot of confidence (over small things even) as town, but that often comes off as inconfidence as he also spits his thoughts against himself in the same post.
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