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On June 07 2024 15:47 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 14:58 Trfel wrote:
Okay so it was the former. Still though I have a hard time understanding Oatsmaster's posts..... Idk maybe he's just town because his posting looks really awful but I don't think he would do that as mafia because he knows better and can do better? Which is a pretty darn stupid argument but it's the best I have? Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 15:03 Trfel wrote:
Like the part I don't get most is that he really really really didn't interact with anyone or get involved. Even when I tried to draw him out a bit. Why come and post in a way that's not productive or interactive? It just looks bad. Which is actually why I think he may be town because of it, it's kinda wifom, but mafia generally isn't going to make themselves look bad for no reason. I think he might be town and just not care that much. I agree with this analysis, but I don't see how this can co-exist with Trfel finding Vivax's vibe read on oats as weird. To me, this is a protracted version of the same read. I'm interested to see what you think of Vivax's read now trfel.
yes, agreed.
I think i know who you are. 
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On June 07 2024 15:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 15:39 AlphaZero wrote:On June 07 2024 15:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't think he's being weird anymore though, i think he is town. What does it mean that he was weird earlier though? I just feel like he is being a lot more 'confident' and less wishy-washy than I associate with his town play. I agree that this looks town-like on the surface, but it also strikes me as 'other' I think i explained that in a post towards him or rsoultin. I just went through the last couple of pages, and i agree you may have a point. Like Trfel is defending Oats (and not talking about Vivax), when i asked him (and rsoul) about both of them. I mean if he so strongly feels Oats is not acting in a scummy way, why not change the discussion to Vivax with like "hey rayn i think Oats might be town, can we talk about Vivax instead" or something.
Exactly so.
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What would that mean regarding Vivax / Oats, if Trfel is mafia?
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Idk that's a stupid question. I need to sleep.
Might be a while when i am back.
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On June 07 2024 16:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What would that mean regarding Vivax / Oats, if Trfel is mafia?
I'd need to think about that. I am not convinced Trfel is mafia.
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Can't remember when I last played or how anyone plays
Don't like Vivax though.
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I enjoyed Alpha Zero pointing out that scott had basically answered his own question and giving it a red flag. I love shit like that.
What does it say about scott? I don't know
But rsoutlin also liked it so I guess I like Alpha and rsoultin at this early stage.
Trefl and rayn were posting a lot and having a discussion, i've always been a sucker for activity = town . But ngl I didn't read a lot of the posts and sort of glazed over.
That's an ok starting point.
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*filter starts*
Hi
On plane about to take off.
I'm surprised by quant of posts and even more so that peoples essence is bringing back such strong memories. Pretty cool.
Have skim read. Trfel stood out to me as sentiment over a few posts felt forced / overly processed. Not sure if that's his meta though. Certainly not a scum claim. Also felt a little similar with rsoultin.
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On June 07 2024 15:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats has played a couple of these games, they are the same.
Semi-open setup + whisperer.
What is there to read in the OP / rules? If it is not a joke, why does he post that in the first place because he already knows the rules.... Idk, why would he post that as a joke either? And I don't think it makes him town necessarily, just seems to indicate that way?On June 07 2024 15:32 AlphaZero wrote:
Trfel what happened to your pressure on Vivax?
From what I can see, you thought his oats read was off and then the next thing you said was you didn't want to lynch him today? I thought I discussed this a page or two ago. I had a hard time understanding Vivax's stance on Oatsmaster, but when I brought it up, rsoultin strongly agreed with Vivax's perspective. So either they are mafia together and rsoultin is defending Vivax (very tinfoily), or Vivax's view is more reasonable than I thought. So I backed off. Maybe I am misunderstanding or misinterpreting Oatsmaster's vibe but I don't think it is anywhere near as simple or cursory as Vivax seems to think?
@Kelsi3r, meta is very overrated. And don't worry, raynpelikoneet and I didn't get a ton done, it's largely missable imo. However, I'm confused because you said you like AlphaZero and rsoultin for their comments on scott31337, but you don't like Vivax. Didn't Vivax comment on that same general idea (even if not as clearly laid out)?
Safe travels, Mocsta! I expect this thread to be your airllane reading, and await large quantities of analysis when you land
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Trfel prepare to be disappointed
Although I did read as you predicted. Yet not much to analyze
You improved. Not sure why the tone changed but it did. And I like that rain observed at same time.i did
Rsoultin I'm back to neutral
Buzziest read to me is kelsier and alphazero
I don't find alphazero insight that great. I.e. Scott defense was adequate to me
And. Alpha is reading to immediately nitpick which I can't relate to
I'm looking for scum.and town. Just weird so far
His tactic of flag was a nice touch though. I will steal that for future
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On June 07 2024 16:44 Kelsi3r wrote:
I enjoyed Alpha Zero pointing out that scott had basically answered his own question and giving it a red flag. I love shit like that.
What does it say about scott? I don't know
But rsoutlin also liked it so I guess I like Alpha and rsoultin at this early stage.
Trefl and rayn were posting a lot and having a discussion, i've always been a sucker for activity = town . But ngl I didn't read a lot of the posts and sort of glazed over.
That's an ok starting point.
Yeah idk. The more I think about this (plus his previous post where he says he doesn't like Vivax) the more I am suspicious.
If Kelsi3r doesn't know what AlphaZero's point about scott31337 means with regards to scott31337's alignment, that should lead to there being less reason to townread AlphaZero (and also anyone else) for this reasoning, no? Of course you don't always have to agree with someone's reasoning to think it makes them look towny, but it certainly helps. Furthermore, I could understand it better if he just said that it made AlphaZero look better, since they were the first to clearly lay out that line of thinking. But to add on that rsoultin looks good, purely for agreeing, when Kelsi3r himself doesn't even know if the point means anything for scott31337's alignment? Seems out of place.
And to add, the only person he said he didn't like, Vivax, also commented on this kind of idea. Vivax didn't put scott31337's posts in contrast like AlphaZero did, but he (rightfully) pointed out that one of scott31337's posts in question didn't make a ton of sense. It wasn't exactly the same idea, but it was somewhat similar, and this was (presumably) enough to make AlphaZero say that Vivax looks town. Kelsi3r seems to have ignored this entirely, however?
New top suspect, I think.
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On June 07 2024 19:20 Mocsta wrote:
Trfel prepare to be disappointed
Although I did read as you predicted. Yet not much to analyze
You improved. Not sure why the tone changed but it did. And I like that rain observed at same time.i did
Rsoultin I'm back to neutral
Buzziest read to me is kelsier and alphazero
I don't find alphazero insight that great. I.e. Scott defense was adequate to me
And. Alpha is reading to immediately nitpick which I can't relate to
I'm looking for scum.and town. Just weird so far
His tactic of flag was a nice touch though. I will steal that for future
Dang, short flight. Go fly around again until you have better thoughts 
Can I clarify what a "buzzy" read means?
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Flight for work. Glad it's over. Turbulence was terrible.
Buzzy would be like scummiest. Pinging me / buzzing me
I want to read your post on Kelser but really struggling to concentrate into paragraphs lol.. what a convenient excuse
In all seriousness will examine after dinner.
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On June 07 2024 19:37 Mocsta wrote:Flight for work. Glad it's over. Turbulence was terrible. Buzzy would be like scummiest. Pinging me / buzzing me I want to read your post on Kelser but really struggling to concentrate into paragraphs lol.. what a convenient excuse In all seriousness will examine after dinner. Oof, turbulence is no fun, sorry  Also glad you made it.
Gotcha, makes sense. I don't think I want to lynch Mocsta either. Feel free to let me know what you think about Kelsi3r, I'm quite interested in this approach.
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On June 07 2024 19:27 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 16:44 Kelsi3r wrote:
I enjoyed Alpha Zero pointing out that scott had basically answered his own question and giving it a red flag. I love shit like that.
What does it say about scott? I don't know
But rsoutlin also liked it so I guess I like Alpha and rsoultin at this early stage.
Trefl and rayn were posting a lot and having a discussion, i've always been a sucker for activity = town . But ngl I didn't read a lot of the posts and sort of glazed over.
That's an ok starting point.
Yeah idk. The more I think about this (plus his previous post where he says he doesn't like Vivax) the more I am suspicious. If Kelsi3r doesn't know what AlphaZero's point about scott31337 means with regards to scott31337's alignment, that should lead to there being less reason to townread AlphaZero (and also anyone else) for this reasoning, no? Of course you don't always have to agree with someone's reasoning to think it makes them look towny, but it certainly helps. Furthermore, I could understand it better if he just said that it made AlphaZero look better, since they were the first to clearly lay out that line of thinking. But to add on that rsoultin looks good, purely for agreeing, when Kelsi3r himself doesn't even know if the point means anything for scott31337's alignment? Seems out of place. And to add, the only person he said he didn't like, Vivax, also commented on this kind of idea. Vivax didn't put scott31337's posts in contrast like AlphaZero did, but he (rightfully) pointed out that one of scott31337's posts in question didn't make a ton of sense. It wasn't exactly the same idea, but it was somewhat similar, and this was (presumably) enough to make AlphaZero say that Vivax looks town. Kelsi3r seems to have ignored this entirely, however? New top suspect, I think.
Holy fuck man if you ask a question then wait for an answer before posting this WoT
Vivax didn't like Scott's post because of the "vibe" of it.
Alpha made a different point about him sort of responding to his own point.
I didnt see alpha say vivax was town so i havent commented on it
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Trfel I mostly align on the kelsi3r take
It's odd he needs to throw ina. Town read of rsoultin to justify town reading someone else.. to me that is much more scum motivated than town.. possibly moreso early game with not much to clutch onto
My challenge point is ignoring vivax.. personally . It's super early game and I viewed his post on Scott as a neutral prod. It's pointing out a standard thing . Post about setup is usually more scum motivated as nothing to talk about.. either town or scum can point on this which is why neutral for me
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I didn't take issue with Scott's subsequent post so view the whole exchange as neutral if anything I somewhat lean ever so slightly town on Scott as he stick to his guns in a calm non defensive manner.
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Klesi3r
Why does the read on rsoultin matter in regards to alphazero?
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On June 07 2024 19:54 Mocsta wrote:
Klesi3r
Why does the read on rsoultin matter in regards to alphazero?
Why does my read matter? Dunno i guess thats up to you
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On June 07 2024 19:57 Kelsi3r wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 19:54 Mocsta wrote:
Klesi3r
Why does the read on rsoultin matter in regards to alphazero? Why does my read matter? Dunno i guess thats up to you
Hi mate
It matters as you referenced rsoultin to bias your read on alphazero as town
What's the concern to embellish?
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On June 07 2024 19:59 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 19:57 Kelsi3r wrote:On June 07 2024 19:54 Mocsta wrote:
Klesi3r
Why does the read on rsoultin matter in regards to alphazero? Why does my read matter? Dunno i guess thats up to you Hi mate It matters as you referenced rsoultin to bias your read on alphazero as town What's the concern to embellish?
What dont you understand?
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