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On June 08 2024 05:43 sandroba wrote: I'm getting weird vibes from kelsier too, but it's not overriding my town read from the mocsta interaction. I'd say I'd prefer if we left him be for today wait how do you get town vibes from Kelsier in his Mocsta interaction?
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On June 08 2024 06:01 sandroba wrote: Rayn on rsoul: I had similar thoughts to her from reading the initial pages and had a town lean. Her random call out on me seems contrived because she herself does not comment on anything else besides accusing me of lack of commentary. If she really believes I missed something important or more telling than the stuff on scott I would expect she would have commented on that when re-entering the thread. She is in the null pile
on kelsier his dismissive attitude towards mocsta's post and not making an effort to understand where he was coming from was totally carefree, it felt really townie I agree its kind of shitty to say sandroba is only focused on scott and then only focus on sandroba. I don't think that makes her mafia, since she is one of the most thick headed people i know aside from myself lol. But anyways, i dont really see why you should not focus on scott if you feel like it, scott overall doesnt look that dandy at all.
I disagree with kelsier. or rather i agree with the argument with him and mocsta on what you said. but after that kelsier did jack shit. i mean, i asked him to read when he didnt know what to do. This is what he did:
On June 08 2024 03:59 Kelsi3r wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 03:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 03:14 Kelsi3r wrote: Do i need to read anything? can you tell who is mafia? if not, then maybe reading is a good talent toi have. fuck man thats a good ass meme I will try and read
On June 08 2024 04:00 Kelsi3r wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 03:09 Trfel wrote:Worst List Post of All TimeTownMaybe Townrsoultin + Show Spoiler +It's very easy to follow her thought process. raynpelikoneet + Show Spoiler +Raynpelikoneet is generally helpful, but in this game, he's shown original/unique thought, as opposed to just "normal" lines of reasoning. Mocsta + Show Spoiler +This is a dangerous read since I'm having a bit of a hard time understanding what Mocsta is getting at sometimes and I don't have the focus to try and wade through it and actually figure it out, but I still like how Mocsta is very willing to go against the thread sentiment. Mafia can imitate this but I think it's much less likely. UnknownOatsmaster + Show Spoiler +Oatsmaster's posting has trended towards my expectations for him, as described here. Unfortunately, I have no idea what that means with regards to Oatsmaster's alignment. Congratulations on wasting your time reading this  scott31337 + Show Spoiler +Made you look  die_meatbaby sandroba marvellosity + Show Spoiler +I dunno. Really like his posting style, funniest person in the game by far. But I don't actually like this thoughts all that much, which makes me sad  Specifically the post on rsoultin that raynpelikoneet just quoted, I was going to say the same thing. It's very easy to point fingers and say "that person hasn't done anything yet!" when the person in question was only present for the first four and a half pages of the game, when there isn't that much to be done. It's hard for me to understand how marvellosity (of all people) could completely miss this. Feels like taking a cheap shot to discredit someone and make yourself look better. Vivax + Show Spoiler +He hasn't really made much of an impression to me yet, to be honest. AlphaZero + Show Spoiler +Not sure. Opening posts seem quite reasonable, but I have a much harder time following the thinking after. Maybe MafiaAlakaslam + Show Spoiler +On June 08 2024 02:27 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 22:47 Alakaslam wrote: Hijole how did I forget this
My work, my work! Don't post too much!
I shall return
When I come back, I expect to see much vote alakaslam based on this... but I can do no different! Uh, maybe I'm falling into the Chezinu trap with Alakaslam, but I actually think this is suspicious? Like, forgetting about the game or going to work or not posting isn't suspicious at all. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Also, Alakaslam is one of those people who likes to post as mafia, so him not posting isn't a mafia indicator IMO regardless. What is suspicious is the self awareness. Specifically I am looking at a few games ago, it was a Grackaroni game where he invited everyone to the Discord server and Alakaslam was one of the first three people to join. So when three people joined, he thought that was the mafia Discord server and that he was mafia with them, and he said something like "I can't play for a few hours so go ahead and bus me for a while" which IMO doesn't make much sense, who pushes someone for being away for a few hours? But it shows that Alakaslam is exceptionally self-aware/self-conscious as mafia, particularly about activity levels. Unfortunately I can't say that Alakaslam isn't like this as town. I haven't seen anything to indicate that he has this mindset as town, but it's still possible. Regardless though I think it's worth keeping in mind. Kelsi3r + Show Spoiler +I admit that I struggled a bit to understand Kelsi3r and Mocsta's discussion but my initial point still stands. On June 07 2024 19:27 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 16:44 Kelsi3r wrote: I enjoyed Alpha Zero pointing out that scott had basically answered his own question and giving it a red flag. I love shit like that. What does it say about scott? I don't know But rsoutlin also liked it so I guess I like Alpha and rsoultin at this early stage.
Trefl and rayn were posting a lot and having a discussion, i've always been a sucker for activity = town . But ngl I didn't read a lot of the posts and sort of glazed over.
That's an ok starting point. Yeah idk. The more I think about this (plus his previous post where he says he doesn't like Vivax) the more I am suspicious. If Kelsi3r doesn't know what AlphaZero's point about scott31337 means with regards to scott31337's alignment, that should lead to there being less reason to townread AlphaZero (and also anyone else) for this reasoning, no? Of course you don't always have to agree with someone's reasoning to think it makes them look towny, but it certainly helps. Furthermore, I could understand it better if he just said that it made AlphaZero look better, since they were the first to clearly lay out that line of thinking. But to add on that rsoultin looks good, purely for agreeing, when Kelsi3r himself doesn't even know if the point means anything for scott31337's alignment? Seems out of place. And to add, the only person he said he didn't like, Vivax, also commented on this kind of idea. Vivax didn't put scott31337's posts in contrast like AlphaZero did, but he (rightfully) pointed out that one of scott31337's posts in question didn't make a ton of sense. It wasn't exactly the same idea, but it was somewhat similar, and this was (presumably) enough to make AlphaZero say that Vivax looks town. Kelsi3r seems to have ignored this entirely, however? New top suspect, I think. MafiaIdk, am I being too stubborn? I legitimately think that Kelsi3r is a valid suspect, and he hasn't done anything to give me pause yet. cant hate the amount of effort you put into this One minute apart in these posts.
Did he actually even read Trfel's post?
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Im sorry i thought i had some time today, i dont. ##vote Kelsi3r
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I'll be here in about 15minutes.
Not really interested in reading what i have missed suringtve night based on latest games.
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Fwiw istill think marv is mafia, read a vouple of pages after my vote rn and i dot think the psition around me and rsoul and me comes from town without further investigation.
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On June 10 2024 01:18 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 01:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fwiw istill think marv is mafia, read a vouple of pages after my vote rn and i dot think the psition around me and rsoul and me comes from town without further investigation. This just OMGUS no? Lmao If there is omgus here it's from his part, not mine.
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Look marv, there is a chance i am wrong, and i want to sort this out if you have time. I think it's best use of my time now.
I don't care about other stuff you have posted. I called rsoultin's filter full of nothing at the time that it was a filter most full of nothing imo. I think it's a dissonance that's unlike from you.
Then you called my vote gross. I think that's unlike from you as well, since you should understand why i made the decision for my vote if youre town.
Then you called rsoultin's read on me good. Which is a bullshit read. Even if i was mafia it's a bullshit read, because last time i have played with rsoultin was over 7 years ago and i have -- as a player -- evolved from that state. Sure, i even found her read on sandroba at the time really bad, maybe 7 years ago i would have suspected her for it, nowadays i don't. Because i don't think it means shit for her alignment.
I believe you should, as town, know all these things about me, and the initial read on rsoultin just is -- as she said -- derpy, and you're not derpy. Being wrong is one thing but that was definitely derpy at best.
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On June 10 2024 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't care about other stuff you have posted. YOU called rsoultin's filter full of nothing at the time that it was a filter most full of nothing imo. I think it's a dissonance that's unlike from you.
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On June 10 2024 01:39 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Look marv, there is a chance i am wrong, and i want to sort this out if you have time. I think it's best use of my time now.
I don't care about other stuff you have posted. I called rsoultin's filter full of nothing at the time that it was a filter most full of nothing imo. I think it's a dissonance that's unlike from you.
Then you called my vote gross. I think that's unlike from you as well, since you should understand why i made the decision for my vote if youre town.
Then you called rsoultin's read on me good. Which is a bullshit read. Even if i was mafia it's a bullshit read, because last time i have played with rsoultin was over 7 years ago and i have -- as a player -- evolved from that state. Sure, i even found her read on sandroba at the time really bad, maybe 7 years ago i would have suspected her for it, nowadays i don't. Because i don't think it means shit for her alignment.
I believe you should, as town, know all these things about me, and the initial read on rsoultin just is -- as she said -- derpy, and you're not derpy. Being wrong is one thing but that was definitely derpy at best. I’m not psychic, rayn. What was the reason? And am I supposed to know the ins and outs of your history with rsoultin? I don’t understand what you’re getting at. That seems so long ago, I don’t remember what rsoultin said but I assume it made some sense to me at the time. Whatever it was, did I try to use that against you? I did not. As you know I’m not going to try read you through anyone else other than myself because I don’t trust anyone more than myself to do so. Save us both some time, flick through my (large) filter, and reach the correct conclusion. First of all, do you think i am mafia or not? You sure gave that impression when i read the pages i did.
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I voted for Kelsier because my townreads, namely rsoultin and Oats were voting for him. Read Kelsier's filter, nothing new to change my opinion there, thought he was suspicious already. I scumread you, no time to investigate further, you're voting for scott.
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Also i don't think AZ is actually that townie as he "looks", if that makes sense to anyone.
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If you and AZ really think scott is mafia, why didn't you get him lynched D1?
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On June 10 2024 01:47 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 01:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you and AZ really think scott is mafia, why didn't you get him lynched D1? This is why you need to read my filter, friend. Does your filter fill me in with the fact that Kelsier is dead and not scott, since that's my concern? I mean you two are imo the most likely people to get your message through to other people in this game. Are you not concerned why it was not enough?
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On June 10 2024 01:47 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 01:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you and AZ really think scott is mafia, why didn't you get him lynched D1? This is why you need to read my filter, friend. From your end, can you tell me how you even tried to do that? If that's what you're implying. Because you really seem to be talking a whole lot of what is not about scott and nothing that is about scott.
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On June 10 2024 01:49 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 01:47 marvellosity wrote:On June 10 2024 01:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you and AZ really think scott is mafia, why didn't you get him lynched D1? This is why you need to read my filter, friend. It’s much better if you read my progression because you’ll understand it, but a couple of things to help you along the way Trfel’s doubts on Scott Scott was around at lynch and kelsier wasn’t and it’s difficult to hard push someone on d1 who at least seems to be trying vs someone who just peaced out but you were seemingly pushing, or "casting doubt" on other people instead of focusing the lynch?
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On June 10 2024 02:04 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2024 01:47 marvellosity wrote:On June 10 2024 01:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you and AZ really think scott is mafia, why didn't you get him lynched D1? This is why you need to read my filter, friend. Does your filter fill me in with the fact that Kelsier is dead and not scott, since that's my concern? I mean you two are imo the most likely people to get your message through to other people in this game. Are you not concerned why it was not enough? I hate this mindset. First of all you voted Kelsier and sneakily at that and second you‘re complaining that someone didn‘t do enough to get the person lynched that wasn‘t even your own favourite choice. What is this? This has nothing to do what i did. I know why i did what i did. I am simply just asking marv, why he thinks people who are most likely getting their message across didnt get it across. If you dont get that, i cant help you get that better, sorry.
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On June 10 2024 02:23 AlphaZero wrote: Rayn why did you ask to be masonry day 1? Because i like to talk with someone in private. I know where youre getting at, not a good point. I'd know that a mafia and it would be a bad thing for me.
If you think i am lying about my responsibilities and time constraints outside the game just say so. Thats a valid case, unfortunately wrong, but i cant do anything about it if peoplechoose to believe you.
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On June 10 2024 02:23 AlphaZero wrote: I certainly didn’t expect rayn to come at marv with this much activity.
This game would be such an outlier from his previous mafia game.
It’s possible Marv is mafia and is faking a level of engagement and enjoyment not seen previously. It would be great to see him on that level again honestly.
But it’s not the first conclusion I would make on this game state without even reading the whole thread.
And the reasons for calling Marv mafia are just so underwhelming.
If i look at marv's filter as a whole it doent give me mafia. I also did that when he was mafia, and it didnt give me mafia. However there were acouple of little nuances that DID give me mafia at that time, i chose to ignore them because rest of his filter was fine. This time i wont ignore them unless thay arecleared in some way, which they arent.
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