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I'm around, I don't really see much reason to change course though?
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On June 12 2024 09:01 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2024 08:58 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, trfel, Alakaslam
die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, sandroba, AlphaZero, Vivax, AlphaZero, sandroba
raynpelikoneet(1): Mocsta, Trfel, AlphaZero, sandroba
Vivax (0): Trfel, AlphaZero, Scott31337, Koshi, Mocsta, Alakaslam, die_meatbaby
Koshi (0): Vivax, sandroba
scott31337 (0): Vivax
With 7 votes, sandroba is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 12 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
majority say az is town and I think sentiment is mostly vivax is town On dmb lynch is max 1 mafia Therefore mafia control the vote and have chosen sandroba Go town!!!! Yes but I have three reasons why sandroba is mafia 
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On June 12 2024 09:24 Vivax wrote:
Statistically though there‘s tops 3 mafia on dmb while they are much more likely on sandro. Yeah I really wouldn't expect any more than 3 mafia on die_meatbaby here.
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I think die_meatbaby is mafia though
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Koshi is very likey town imo due to rsoultin's desire to lynch sandroba day 1.
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I guess I should probably do something at some point, admittedly that was a nice break though.
@Koshi, I thougth those three were mafia for the reasons I stated. It should be pretty clear reading my filter. If you disagree that's fine of course, but I made it quite clear why I thought what I thought.
My instinct is that die_meatbaby is still mafia. Just like I had three reasons for sandroba being mafia, I have six reasons for die_meatbaby being mafia I'll try and read in more depth, but mafia bussing seems reasonable to me, not that it's guaranteed but it's absolutely a possibility (I'd even say it's quite likely but I suppose that's debatable).
Not 100% slam dunk on die_meatbaby being mafia, and I will spend more time on this, but I think it's pretty likely.
In all honesty, I'm not very inclined to think Mocsta is mafia, but I can re-evaluate this. My theory is that mafia was bussing, or at least willing to bus day 2. This is because surely the mafia team could tell that sandroba was very likely to die, especially if he knows that he has trouble playing as mafia. I don't think it makes a ton of sense for mafia!Mocsta to try and save mafia!sandroba like that when there is no realistic avenue for success. If sandroba was trying to defend himself I could mayyybeee see it, but I don't think it makes much sense for sandroba to give up and for Mocsta to defend him. Please don't misunderstand, I'm absolutely not saying that this means Mocsta is town for this, I'm saying that I don't think this is actually suspicious for Mocsta, and thus I am relying on my previous townread.
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I think it's possible that mafia tried to defend sandroba. I just also think it's possible that mafia bussed sandroba. Without more information, I think it's next to impossible to know, and I'm very hesitant on making a hard conclusion (I don't like to rule out possibilities unless the reasons for doing so are extremely solid). There are plenty of other things that are more helpful than risking clearing people over something that is uncertain.
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On June 13 2024 05:51 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 04:21 Trfel wrote:I guess I should probably do something at some point, admittedly that was a nice break though. @Koshi, I thougth those three were mafia for the reasons I stated. It should be pretty clear reading my filter. If you disagree that's fine of course, but I made it quite clear why I thought what I thought. My instinct is that die_meatbaby is still mafia. Just like I had three reasons for sandroba being mafia, I have six reasons for die_meatbaby being mafia I'll try and read in more depth, but mafia bussing seems reasonable to me, not that it's guaranteed but it's absolutely a possibility (I'd even say it's quite likely but I suppose that's debatable). Not 100% slam dunk on die_meatbaby being mafia, and I will spend more time on this, but I think it's pretty likely. In all honesty, I'm not very inclined to think Mocsta is mafia, but I can re-evaluate this. My theory is that mafia was bussing, or at least willing to bus day 2. This is because surely the mafia team could tell that sandroba was very likely to die, especially if he knows that he has trouble playing as mafia. I don't think it makes a ton of sense for mafia!Mocsta to try and save mafia!sandroba like that when there is no realistic avenue for success. If sandroba was trying to defend himself I could mayyybeee see it, but I don't think it makes much sense for sandroba to give up and for Mocsta to defend him. Please don't misunderstand, I'm absolutely not saying that this means Mocsta is town for this, I'm saying that I don't think this is actually suspicious for Mocsta, and thus I am relying on my previous townread. if you want to lynch me tomorrow for beeing this much inactiv it´s okey for me (if I am alive). But your reads just doesn´t make any sense to me. Why should I make a case on sandroba before there was a lynchbus on him? Btw I am not sure if I can fake a case like the one I made and I still believe that sandroba and mocstar are togther. I am trying to figure out who the third person is and as I have already learend from the games before I should not stuck on the same people for days also when one of my mafia reads were correct. I also start to think if there is a possibility that you could be mafia This doesn't have anything to do with why I think you are mafia though.
I think you are mafia because I have been doing everything I can to reach out to you, work with you, and understand you, and you've ignored me much more often than not. And I think you are mafia because you haven't been very involved or invested, and have been hiding behind constant excuses and promises of future activity. Furthermore, when people have raised valid concerns about your play, you have avoided answering, instead avoiding posting or distracting by talking about something else.
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On June 13 2024 06:13 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 06:05 Trfel wrote:On June 13 2024 05:51 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 04:21 Trfel wrote:I guess I should probably do something at some point, admittedly that was a nice break though. @Koshi, I thougth those three were mafia for the reasons I stated. It should be pretty clear reading my filter. If you disagree that's fine of course, but I made it quite clear why I thought what I thought. My instinct is that die_meatbaby is still mafia. Just like I had three reasons for sandroba being mafia, I have six reasons for die_meatbaby being mafia I'll try and read in more depth, but mafia bussing seems reasonable to me, not that it's guaranteed but it's absolutely a possibility (I'd even say it's quite likely but I suppose that's debatable). Not 100% slam dunk on die_meatbaby being mafia, and I will spend more time on this, but I think it's pretty likely. In all honesty, I'm not very inclined to think Mocsta is mafia, but I can re-evaluate this. My theory is that mafia was bussing, or at least willing to bus day 2. This is because surely the mafia team could tell that sandroba was very likely to die, especially if he knows that he has trouble playing as mafia. I don't think it makes a ton of sense for mafia!Mocsta to try and save mafia!sandroba like that when there is no realistic avenue for success. If sandroba was trying to defend himself I could mayyybeee see it, but I don't think it makes much sense for sandroba to give up and for Mocsta to defend him. Please don't misunderstand, I'm absolutely not saying that this means Mocsta is town for this, I'm saying that I don't think this is actually suspicious for Mocsta, and thus I am relying on my previous townread. if you want to lynch me tomorrow for beeing this much inactiv it´s okey for me (if I am alive). But your reads just doesn´t make any sense to me. Why should I make a case on sandroba before there was a lynchbus on him? Btw I am not sure if I can fake a case like the one I made and I still believe that sandroba and mocstar are togther. I am trying to figure out who the third person is and as I have already learend from the games before I should not stuck on the same people for days also when one of my mafia reads were correct. I also start to think if there is a possibility that you could be mafia This doesn't have anything to do with why I think you are mafia though. I think you are mafia because I have been doing everything I can to reach out to you, work with you, and understand you, and you've ignored me much more often than not. And I think you are mafia because you haven't been very involved or invested, and have been hiding behind constant excuses and promises of future activity. Furthermore, when people have raised valid concerns about your play, you have avoided answering, instead avoiding posting or distracting by talking about something else. I am sorry beeing so much inactiv, but also you should know that I was activ as mafia in my old mafia game. Now I am here ask me what ever you want. And tell me who do you think could also be mafia besides me? I still have my Mocstar/sandroba theory but the case that mocstar on az made looks interesting and I didn´t invest much interest in az or to make a good read on az, because I normaly compare old games or the way how the play as either aligment to the actual game. So it makes it more complicated for me to read AZ I played in your previous mafia game, I am aware of it. I actually looked at it not too long ago, to see if it is similar to this game.
Your post percentage (percentage of the game posts that are made by you) is actually quite similar in this game compared to your previous mafia game.
Sorry, I had to head out for a bit. I'm back now. Not super focused, sorry, but present.
I understand that getting mislynched is frustrating, and feeling like you don't have thread control is frustrating. That's part of why I want to work with you if you are town, because it's still my job to figure that out.
Let me know if you are still around.
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No no no you don't want to live in the US, trust me.
Die_meatbaby, did you really reread the entire game and everyone's filter, like you said you would here?On June 10 2024 11:54 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 11:47 Trfel wrote:
Die_meatbaby, do you have a read on scott31337 yet?
Either way though, look at it this way:
1. Scott31337 is town. This means that town spent the vast majority of day 1 focusing on town wagons (Kelsi3r and scott31337), so mafia didn't have to do anything but sit there and watch. In this context, does AlphaZero's play (huge push for lynching scott31337, to the point of great frustration) make sense? Yes it's theoretically possible, but it's so much simpler for AlphaZero to just be town. Mafia players (alignment) don't tend to go through tons of extra work if they don't have to.
2. Scott31337 is mafia. Why on earth would AlphaZero spend all day pushing his scum buddy scott31337 against so much resistance? And even if this is what happened, if he was trying to bus scott31337, then why wouldn't scott31337 give up, since he knows he is being bussed? It's theoretically possible for them to both be mafia and for things to play out like they did but it's not realistic at all. I still believe scott is somehow town. I said it before most of the time we have t vs t lynch on d1. I will tomorrow take time to filter everybody reread the game and make a list post. For now I will go to sleep.
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On June 13 2024 08:52 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 08:32 Trfel wrote:On June 13 2024 06:13 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 06:05 Trfel wrote:On June 13 2024 05:51 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 04:21 Trfel wrote:I guess I should probably do something at some point, admittedly that was a nice break though. @Koshi, I thougth those three were mafia for the reasons I stated. It should be pretty clear reading my filter. If you disagree that's fine of course, but I made it quite clear why I thought what I thought. My instinct is that die_meatbaby is still mafia. Just like I had three reasons for sandroba being mafia, I have six reasons for die_meatbaby being mafia I'll try and read in more depth, but mafia bussing seems reasonable to me, not that it's guaranteed but it's absolutely a possibility (I'd even say it's quite likely but I suppose that's debatable). Not 100% slam dunk on die_meatbaby being mafia, and I will spend more time on this, but I think it's pretty likely. In all honesty, I'm not very inclined to think Mocsta is mafia, but I can re-evaluate this. My theory is that mafia was bussing, or at least willing to bus day 2. This is because surely the mafia team could tell that sandroba was very likely to die, especially if he knows that he has trouble playing as mafia. I don't think it makes a ton of sense for mafia!Mocsta to try and save mafia!sandroba like that when there is no realistic avenue for success. If sandroba was trying to defend himself I could mayyybeee see it, but I don't think it makes much sense for sandroba to give up and for Mocsta to defend him. Please don't misunderstand, I'm absolutely not saying that this means Mocsta is town for this, I'm saying that I don't think this is actually suspicious for Mocsta, and thus I am relying on my previous townread. if you want to lynch me tomorrow for beeing this much inactiv it´s okey for me (if I am alive). But your reads just doesn´t make any sense to me. Why should I make a case on sandroba before there was a lynchbus on him? Btw I am not sure if I can fake a case like the one I made and I still believe that sandroba and mocstar are togther. I am trying to figure out who the third person is and as I have already learend from the games before I should not stuck on the same people for days also when one of my mafia reads were correct. I also start to think if there is a possibility that you could be mafia This doesn't have anything to do with why I think you are mafia though. I think you are mafia because I have been doing everything I can to reach out to you, work with you, and understand you, and you've ignored me much more often than not. And I think you are mafia because you haven't been very involved or invested, and have been hiding behind constant excuses and promises of future activity. Furthermore, when people have raised valid concerns about your play, you have avoided answering, instead avoiding posting or distracting by talking about something else. I am sorry beeing so much inactiv, but also you should know that I was activ as mafia in my old mafia game. Now I am here ask me what ever you want. And tell me who do you think could also be mafia besides me? I still have my Mocstar/sandroba theory but the case that mocstar on az made looks interesting and I didn´t invest much interest in az or to make a good read on az, because I normaly compare old games or the way how the play as either aligment to the actual game. So it makes it more complicated for me to read AZ I played in your previous mafia game, I am aware of it. I actually looked at it not too long ago, to see if it is similar to this game. Your post percentage (percentage of the game posts that are made by you) is actually quite similar in this game compared to your previous mafia game. Sorry, I had to head out for a bit. I'm back now. Not super focused, sorry, but present. I understand that getting mislynched is frustrating, and feeling like you don't have thread control is frustrating. That's part of why I want to work with you if you are town, because it's still my job to figure that out. Let me know if you are still around. I am still around What the differnce between my towngame and mafia game? Did you look up any town games as well? I don't know, I haven't read any of your town play. I don't like using meta (in addition to the fact that I don't think I'm very good at it and I don't think it holds much weight). I would much rather simply read you for your play alone.On June 13 2024 11:58 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 11:55 Trfel wrote:No no no you don't want to live in the US, trust me. Die_meatbaby, did you really reread the entire game and everyone's filter, like you said you would here? On June 10 2024 11:54 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 10 2024 11:47 Trfel wrote:
Die_meatbaby, do you have a read on scott31337 yet?
Either way though, look at it this way:
1. Scott31337 is town. This means that town spent the vast majority of day 1 focusing on town wagons (Kelsi3r and scott31337), so mafia didn't have to do anything but sit there and watch. In this context, does AlphaZero's play (huge push for lynching scott31337, to the point of great frustration) make sense? Yes it's theoretically possible, but it's so much simpler for AlphaZero to just be town. Mafia players (alignment) don't tend to go through tons of extra work if they don't have to.
2. Scott31337 is mafia. Why on earth would AlphaZero spend all day pushing his scum buddy scott31337 against so much resistance? And even if this is what happened, if he was trying to bus scott31337, then why wouldn't scott31337 give up, since he knows he is being bussed? It's theoretically possible for them to both be mafia and for things to play out like they did but it's not realistic at all. I still believe scott is somehow town. I said it before most of the time we have t vs t lynch on d1. I will tomorrow take time to filter everybody reread the game and make a list post. For now I will go to sleep. Yes I was rereading the game The only one who I didn't filter was slam Okay, we can do this.On June 10 2024 11:54 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 11:47 Trfel wrote:
Die_meatbaby, do you have a read on scott31337 yet?
Either way though, look at it this way:
1. Scott31337 is town. This means that town spent the vast majority of day 1 focusing on town wagons (Kelsi3r and scott31337), so mafia didn't have to do anything but sit there and watch. In this context, does AlphaZero's play (huge push for lynching scott31337, to the point of great frustration) make sense? Yes it's theoretically possible, but it's so much simpler for AlphaZero to just be town. Mafia players (alignment) don't tend to go through tons of extra work if they don't have to.
2. Scott31337 is mafia. Why on earth would AlphaZero spend all day pushing his scum buddy scott31337 against so much resistance? And even if this is what happened, if he was trying to bus scott31337, then why wouldn't scott31337 give up, since he knows he is being bussed? It's theoretically possible for them to both be mafia and for things to play out like they did but it's not realistic at all. I still believe scott is somehow town. I said it before most of the time we have t vs t lynch on d1. I will tomorrow take time to filter everybody reread the game and make a list post. For now I will go to sleep. List post arrived at 8:06a EDT on June 10. Your last post the night before was at 10:56p EDT, June 9.
Let's assume you didn't sleep at all and stayed up all night reading. This means that in 9 hours and 10 minutes, you read:
the thread (116 pages)
Oatsmaster's filter (12 pages)
My filter (12 pages)
rsoultin's filter (9 pages)
Koshi's filter (5 pages)
scott31337's filter (7 pages)
raynpelikoneet's filter (14 pages)
sandroba's filter (2 pages)
Mocsta's filter (9 pages)
Vivax's filter (13 pages)
AlphaZero's filter (14 pages)
I didn't check the end point on these pages, meaning some of them were likely not complete pages. Let's estimate that each page was half-filled, so take off a half page from each. That's 5.5 pages, we'll round up and make it 6 to give you the benefit of the doubt.
You read a grand total of 207 pages. That means you read at 22.58 pages per hour, or about 1 minute 39.5 seconds per page. This comes out to about 8 seconds per post.
Sure, some posts are small, but others aren't. To me, it would be prohibitively difficult for someone to stay up all night to do this, and not lose focus or speed at any moment. This also fails to take into account the time required to actually type up your list post.
The alternative explanation is that you are mafia and you made the exact same lie that you've made before as mafia. What do you honestly expect me, or anyone, to think?
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On June 13 2024 12:23 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 12:13 Trfel wrote:On June 13 2024 08:52 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 08:32 Trfel wrote:On June 13 2024 06:13 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 06:05 Trfel wrote:On June 13 2024 05:51 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 04:21 Trfel wrote:I guess I should probably do something at some point, admittedly that was a nice break though. @Koshi, I thougth those three were mafia for the reasons I stated. It should be pretty clear reading my filter. If you disagree that's fine of course, but I made it quite clear why I thought what I thought. My instinct is that die_meatbaby is still mafia. Just like I had three reasons for sandroba being mafia, I have six reasons for die_meatbaby being mafia I'll try and read in more depth, but mafia bussing seems reasonable to me, not that it's guaranteed but it's absolutely a possibility (I'd even say it's quite likely but I suppose that's debatable). Not 100% slam dunk on die_meatbaby being mafia, and I will spend more time on this, but I think it's pretty likely. In all honesty, I'm not very inclined to think Mocsta is mafia, but I can re-evaluate this. My theory is that mafia was bussing, or at least willing to bus day 2. This is because surely the mafia team could tell that sandroba was very likely to die, especially if he knows that he has trouble playing as mafia. I don't think it makes a ton of sense for mafia!Mocsta to try and save mafia!sandroba like that when there is no realistic avenue for success. If sandroba was trying to defend himself I could mayyybeee see it, but I don't think it makes much sense for sandroba to give up and for Mocsta to defend him. Please don't misunderstand, I'm absolutely not saying that this means Mocsta is town for this, I'm saying that I don't think this is actually suspicious for Mocsta, and thus I am relying on my previous townread. if you want to lynch me tomorrow for beeing this much inactiv it´s okey for me (if I am alive). But your reads just doesn´t make any sense to me. Why should I make a case on sandroba before there was a lynchbus on him? Btw I am not sure if I can fake a case like the one I made and I still believe that sandroba and mocstar are togther. I am trying to figure out who the third person is and as I have already learend from the games before I should not stuck on the same people for days also when one of my mafia reads were correct. I also start to think if there is a possibility that you could be mafia This doesn't have anything to do with why I think you are mafia though. I think you are mafia because I have been doing everything I can to reach out to you, work with you, and understand you, and you've ignored me much more often than not. And I think you are mafia because you haven't been very involved or invested, and have been hiding behind constant excuses and promises of future activity. Furthermore, when people have raised valid concerns about your play, you have avoided answering, instead avoiding posting or distracting by talking about something else. I am sorry beeing so much inactiv, but also you should know that I was activ as mafia in my old mafia game. Now I am here ask me what ever you want. And tell me who do you think could also be mafia besides me? I still have my Mocstar/sandroba theory but the case that mocstar on az made looks interesting and I didn´t invest much interest in az or to make a good read on az, because I normaly compare old games or the way how the play as either aligment to the actual game. So it makes it more complicated for me to read AZ I played in your previous mafia game, I am aware of it. I actually looked at it not too long ago, to see if it is similar to this game. Your post percentage (percentage of the game posts that are made by you) is actually quite similar in this game compared to your previous mafia game. Sorry, I had to head out for a bit. I'm back now. Not super focused, sorry, but present. I understand that getting mislynched is frustrating, and feeling like you don't have thread control is frustrating. That's part of why I want to work with you if you are town, because it's still my job to figure that out. Let me know if you are still around. I am still around What the differnce between my towngame and mafia game? Did you look up any town games as well? I don't know, I haven't read any of your town play. I don't like using meta (in addition to the fact that I don't think I'm very good at it and I don't think it holds much weight). I would much rather simply read you for your play alone. On June 13 2024 11:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 13 2024 11:55 Trfel wrote:No no no you don't want to live in the US, trust me. Die_meatbaby, did you really reread the entire game and everyone's filter, like you said you would here? On June 10 2024 11:54 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 10 2024 11:47 Trfel wrote:
Die_meatbaby, do you have a read on scott31337 yet?
Either way though, look at it this way:
1. Scott31337 is town. This means that town spent the vast majority of day 1 focusing on town wagons (Kelsi3r and scott31337), so mafia didn't have to do anything but sit there and watch. In this context, does AlphaZero's play (huge push for lynching scott31337, to the point of great frustration) make sense? Yes it's theoretically possible, but it's so much simpler for AlphaZero to just be town. Mafia players (alignment) don't tend to go through tons of extra work if they don't have to.
2. Scott31337 is mafia. Why on earth would AlphaZero spend all day pushing his scum buddy scott31337 against so much resistance? And even if this is what happened, if he was trying to bus scott31337, then why wouldn't scott31337 give up, since he knows he is being bussed? It's theoretically possible for them to both be mafia and for things to play out like they did but it's not realistic at all. I still believe scott is somehow town. I said it before most of the time we have t vs t lynch on d1. I will tomorrow take time to filter everybody reread the game and make a list post. For now I will go to sleep. Yes I was rereading the game The only one who I didn't filter was slam Okay, we can do this. On June 10 2024 11:54 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 10 2024 11:47 Trfel wrote:
Die_meatbaby, do you have a read on scott31337 yet?
Either way though, look at it this way:
1. Scott31337 is town. This means that town spent the vast majority of day 1 focusing on town wagons (Kelsi3r and scott31337), so mafia didn't have to do anything but sit there and watch. In this context, does AlphaZero's play (huge push for lynching scott31337, to the point of great frustration) make sense? Yes it's theoretically possible, but it's so much simpler for AlphaZero to just be town. Mafia players (alignment) don't tend to go through tons of extra work if they don't have to.
2. Scott31337 is mafia. Why on earth would AlphaZero spend all day pushing his scum buddy scott31337 against so much resistance? And even if this is what happened, if he was trying to bus scott31337, then why wouldn't scott31337 give up, since he knows he is being bussed? It's theoretically possible for them to both be mafia and for things to play out like they did but it's not realistic at all. I still believe scott is somehow town. I said it before most of the time we have t vs t lynch on d1. I will tomorrow take time to filter everybody reread the game and make a list post. For now I will go to sleep. List post arrived at 8:06a EDT on June 10. Your last post the night before was at 10:56p EDT, June 9. Let's assume you didn't sleep at all and stayed up all night reading. This means that in 9 hours and 10 minutes, you read: the thread (116 pages) Oatsmaster's filter (12 pages) My filter (12 pages) rsoultin's filter (9 pages) Koshi's filter (5 pages) scott31337's filter (7 pages) raynpelikoneet's filter (14 pages) sandroba's filter (2 pages) Mocsta's filter (9 pages) Vivax's filter (13 pages) AlphaZero's filter (14 pages) I didn't check the end point on these pages, meaning some of them were likely not complete pages. Let's estimate that each page was half-filled, so take off a half page from each. That's 5.5 pages, we'll round up and make it 6 to give you the benefit of the doubt. You read a grand total of 207 pages. That means you read at 22.58 pages per hour, or about 1 minute 39.5 seconds per page. This comes out to about 8 seconds per post. Sure, some posts are small, but others aren't. To me, it would be prohibitively difficult for someone to stay up all night to do this, and not lose focus or speed at any moment. This also fails to take into account the time required to actually type up your list post. The alternative explanation is that you are mafia and you made the exact same lie that you've made before as mafia. What do you honestly expect me, or anyone, to think? I was reading in work time then after work now its 5:17 am. I don't read so fast in my second language but I did First I was reading the thread then slowley filtering the persons looking scummy and then later my townreads again. I took time yes but I did it. I have do if I want to find something here and it was not as hard. I was rereading the last game where dp had 80+ pages alone. I was on top of lynch sitting for 5 hours on the floor just reading this shit until i find what i need to find... Okay, so this argument doesn't explain it in the slightest. But you did say as town last game that you were going to reread at page 146ish. Whatever....
@scott31337, not sure. Apparently die_meatbaby just reads hundreds of pages in an instant. I still think she could very easily be mafia, there are plenty of other reasons, but I haven't looked deeply in like 36 hours so that's very overdue.
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On June 13 2024 12:33 scott31337 wrote:
Trfel if you are town lynch AlphaZero
Unless you have multiple reasons to read him town
You like to talk a lot
Tell me how AZ is town or vote with us What part of "I'm catching up, I don't know" is so hard to understand?
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Like why would you want a half-baked opinion? How is that useful to you?
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On June 13 2024 12:36 scott31337 wrote:
Trfel I think you are tunneled on DMB
She could be like x% mafia in my book?
Did you read my n2 post?
There's a very low chance we were on mafia/mafia by numbers Yes, I read your night two post.
I don't think I'm tunneled on die_meatbaby, I've made plenty of clear points and I don't have any strong reads regardless so how can I be tunneled on something if I'm not confident in anything?
Why do you want me to post uninformed opinions after I literally just told you I don't know anything?
@AlphaZero, if you're around for a moment, can you explain why you think Mocsta is mafia or point me towards previous explanations (sorry I forget)?
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On June 13 2024 12:39 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 12:35 Trfel wrote:On June 13 2024 12:33 scott31337 wrote:
Trfel if you are town lynch AlphaZero
Unless you have multiple reasons to read him town
You like to talk a lot
Tell me how AZ is town or vote with us What part of "I'm catching up, I don't know" is so hard to understand? Then catch up. Then stop pestering me with stupid questions?!?!
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On June 13 2024 12:54 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2024 12:51 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2024 12:36 AlphaZero wrote:On June 13 2024 12:35 Trfel wrote:
Like why would you want a half-baked opinion? How is that useful to you? Its because he is not interested in solving, he is pushing agenda. I thought it was past your bed time where you were located. Where are you located? See, he is uncomfortable with me pointing this out. He wants me to go away He's watching out for your best interests!
Side note, thanks for the explanation on Mocsta, I'll look into it more. You think Mocsta is more likely mafia than scott31337?
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I'm honestly confused as to who even thinks what, it feels like everyone's reads have changed significantly since the sandroba flip. Maybe I'm the stupid one for not changing my reads tbh.
Side note, I don't find the whole "scott31337 slipped that die_meatbaby is town" thing very compelling. I think it makes sense from the perspective of someone who is (theoretically) town and is overconfident in pre-flip reads. As in, it matches the rest of the way scott31337 has played.
First question, why does scott31337 scumread AlphaZero and townread Mocsta? He posted some (imo weak) reasons. In fact, scott31337 literally says "I appreciate his attempts, but it's not a win over" when referring to Mocsta's case of scott31337's strongest scumread, AlphaZero. But he says these are the best reasons to scumread AlphaZero. Basically I'm supposed to believe that sscott31337 thinks that this case that he doesn't think is all that strong is the best case against AlphaZero, yet he's still extremely confident in AlphaZero being mafia? Strong enough to base the rest of his reads off of AlphaZero being mafia, anyway ><
Second point, sandroba voted for scott31337 early day 1 and left his vote there. However, sandroba didn't post from page 24 until after the day 1 deadline. I think it's quite possible for sandroba to vote for his mafia partner, and then something comes up and he can't change it, even if it's a close vote against a townie.
Third point, scott31337 voted for sandroba at 4:11p EDT June 10. He was the third person to do so (after raynpelikoneet and Koshi). Would scott31337 do this as mafia? It looks like it's Koshi's vote that directly prompts him to do this (scott31337 notes Koshi's vote at 4:10p EDT and then votes for sandroba one minute later). This is about halfway through sandroba's series of catchup posts. From one perspective, it feels a little early to bus, since sandroba is actually posting at this time, but from another perspective, it feels like a good time to get a vote down, one which he can move later if needed. But, did scott31337 set himself up to move? Scott31337 was scumreading sandroba, Alakaslam, and AlphaZero. He also said he wouldn't vote for die_meatbaby.
I actually think this (point 3) is a decent reason to townread scott31337. Sandroba (flipped mafia) was reading Koshi, raynpelikoneet, die_meatbaby, and Alakaslam as potential mafia. He later says that he would vote for any of raynpelikoneet, die_meatbaby, or Koshi. He doesn't suggest voting for Alakaslam at all. Scott31337 set himself up to vote for sandroba, Alakaslam, or AlphaZero. Maybe I'm overthinking it but if scott31337 and sandroba are mafia together here, why wouldn't they suggest lynching Alakaslam (assuming Alakaslam is town for the moment)? I just think it doesn't make much sense for mafia to walk themselves into voting separately or hoping that town randomly shenanigans onto the one scumread they have in common. Like, if scott31337 and sandroba are mafia together here, scott31337 saying he won't vote for die_meatbaby makes it extremely unlikely for sandroba to survive. Scott31337 actually re-evaluates die_meatbaby the next day, around 12p EDT June 11, and commits to not switching. To be fair, by this point there are a large number of votes on sandroba and sandroba stopped posting.
Maybe this isn't as strong as I thought. Maybe just a slight reason to townread scott31337. I do think it's not completely negligible though.
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