EPTHe's going to jump at this and demand explanations and I am going to ignore him
Happy to discuss if we should lynch die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, or Koshi first. I'm quite torn about this, I hate to let any of them escape this.
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He's going to jump at this and demand explanations and I am going to ignore him Happy to discuss if we should lynch die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, or Koshi first. I'm quite torn about this, I hate to let any of them escape this. | ||
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On June 11 2024 06:27 die_meatbaby wrote: I don't have a super confident read on sandroba or anything but currently he is being voted by the people in the game I find most suspicious. This makes me very incentivized to keep him alive. He's been low activity/involvement, but that alone doesn't make him mafia imo.Explain me how I am wrong with sandroba and Mocstar? Explain me how sandroba is town?? If you believe that Mocstar is PR then why didn't mafia kill him? You said that he has townreads early, some people value their early townreads, it's a playstyle thing. I will note however that sandroba didn't say he was townreading AlphaZero, just that he liked the point that AlphaZero made. I will note however that the final post of these "townreads" was post #283. By this point, your townread rsoultin said she liked where Vivax's head was at, and that she liked AlphaZero. I don't consider three to be significantly more than two, especially since sandroba was posting at a later point in the game, where there was more that happened. Basically though what I am getting at is that early townreads aren't atypical at all. For example, when rsoultin came back she almost immediately said I looked good (post #343). I don't think Mocsta is a power role, or if he is, it's definitely not because of his post about jailkeeping Oatsmaster or whatever he said. I don't see any reasons that you have given for Mocsta to be mafia outside of associations with sandroba (who I don't really think is mafia) and him saying he is a power role (which I don't believe). If you have other reasons, please let me know. If you are town, I'm going to need some help to see it so we can lynch Koshi and/or raynpelikoneet here. Or heck, even someone else if there is good reason. | ||
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Just saying, maybe you should reconsider. | ||
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On June 11 2024 06:45 Koshi wrote: Why would you hope I am town? From your perspective, I'm completely and thoroughly wrong? Wouldn't it be much easier for you if I am mafia?Tfrel I hope you are town. This is so beautiful. | ||
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On June 11 2024 06:51 Koshi wrote: Oh, sure. If there are reasons to think otherwise I will react accordingly No I meant that I see you are town but just wrong. I don't think this is another charade. It makes the game great. You will snap out of it. | ||
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On June 11 2024 07:06 Koshi wrote: Your side has more alignments in it I think our side is more united but we are less in numbers. Exciting!  | ||
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And taking potshots at Koshi or raynpelikoneet as opportunities present. | ||
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I haven't lost hope quite yet. | ||
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I don't think it's valid to scumread Mocsta because he is mafia with sandroba. If sandroba flips mafia, then maybe you have a case. Until then, you don't know if sandroba is mafia, so there is no reason to think Mocsta is mafia. Raynpelikoneet is mafia because he typically has very strong logical play, but his play here is riddled with blunders and inconsistencies and falsehoods. Case in point, he is voting for sandroba for what he said is the strongest case in the thread, and it's completely false. It's not even a matter of opinion, it's strictly false. | ||
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On June 11 2024 09:12 AlphaZero wrote: I dunno, I'm a huge sucker for gambler's fallacy.Im dropping scott for now, I think its pretty clear that I am missing something, because all my big town reads think he is town. (trfel/marv) I like oats as mafia if im being really open and honest. he seems to be flying under the radar a bit too much | ||
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On June 11 2024 09:21 AlphaZero wrote: I'm willing to lynch die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, or Koshi. It's hard for me to figure out which lynch is best.I’d also lynch Rayn. Trfel what you think of a Rayn lynch? | ||
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On June 11 2024 09:28 AlphaZero wrote: I am kinda giving up due to frustration and insanity. I can't figure out which lynch is best, and they're all coming off incredibly scummy. But it's unlikely they are all mafia, next to impossible, it's never ever so simple.I’m also fine with all that. But I’m relying on your analysis to be honest. That being said I’d prefer to try the harder lynches now while your still alive. Then there's the kicker that even if we figure it out we probably don't have the support. But oh well. | ||
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Is there anything in particular you want/expect me to work with you on? I'm not going to lynch sandroba. Not only are your reasons either incomprehensible or awful, but I'm voting for a really scummy person with the town leaders who I have to assume, are town, and the other wagon has all of the scummiest people in the game. I'm just not switching, absolutely no way. | ||
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On June 11 2024 13:20 Oatsmaster wrote: No, I don't think there is much reason to suspect sandroba. The only reason is that he has been low activity/involvement. I could see him being mafia, but when that's the only reason, and there are strong reasons to suspect other people, I'm much, much more inclined to look somewhere else. The fact that his wagon is all the scummiest people in the game seals the deal.Okay fine, sell me on the koshi/rayn partnership. From what I can tell reading your filter, you do think Sandro is mafia independently of anyone else, you just don’t think so atm because koshi and Rayn are going after him If the game weren't in such a rough state, I'd like to think more about sandroba. As it is, he's one of the few players providing any sanity to the game, and there are a lot of people I think are more suspicious than he is. In addition to the likelihood of him being town, I feel forced to hope that he is town, because I think we absolutely need sandroba to be town to have a chance at winning this game. On June 11 2024 13:20 Oatsmaster wrote: My impression of your play is that whenever you are around, you're bullying townies out of the thread and preventing any discussion. If that's working with people to you, idk.This is the exact opposite of working with people btw just you know for your information | ||
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Raynpelikoneet has been extremely illogical and useless. He's been discussing a ton but not showing any insight, critical thinking, or desire to solve the game. His town play is quite strong, this clearly isn't it. Other than sheer post count, I can't think of a redeeming quality in his play. Koshi has been solid at times, but I think he really gave himself up in the confusion over the Vivax lynch and then not lynching Vivax. He's just said enough things that make no sense. I guess maybe this makes me more confident in raynpelikoneet being mafia, but I still think Koshi definitely could be mafia. | ||
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On June 10 2024 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: i am sorry guys i dont see it, aside from him being away... why? On June 10 2024 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: And then...he was really townie when he was in thread tbh  On June 10 2024 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax go with me on sandroba, mocsta, az, ok? On June 10 2024 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also, can anyone possibly believe this?I dont think they are both mafia. I think sandroba is worth considering. On June 11 2024 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can raynpelikoneet actually think that this:I made the best case anyone has this game. On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is the best case in the game?Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list. That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list. Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? | ||
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