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On June 11 2024 03:15 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 03:13 Vivax wrote:On June 11 2024 03:11 Koshi wrote:On June 11 2024 03:11 Vivax wrote:On June 11 2024 03:04 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Middle point is actually very interesting. Good find. On June 11 2024 03:00 Vivax wrote:On June 11 2024 02:57 Trfel wrote:On June 11 2024 02:55 Vivax wrote:
What do you mean yes? Genuine and honest persons don‘t exist everyone lies.
I think you puff up your posts a lot. How so? Like I don't want to get too off track but if you're getting at something I can humor you for a bit. You try hard to look like a saint I mean. It seems you try to act positively but I don‘t buy it and I believe you are more interested into burying the truth about people with it. Others or yourself Okay, I mean I disagree but you have a right to your opinion. Why are you telling me this? I try to phrase things in a way that is as accurate as possible, I want to leave the least ambiguity and provide the most direct and clear phrasing. Basically I want to deal with as few misunderstandings as possible, if me being more accurate means that there are fewer misunderstandings so we can discuss the actual content more, then that's worth it for me. I‘m telling you this because my bullshit detector is detecting a push on me which isn‘t in good faith but I also refuse to believe you are mafia so you are hiding the true reason for wanting me lynched. lol. Just lol. Why is it funny ? It is funny how you pretend you can detect the difference between a townie that is wrong, mafia, and a townie that is being wrong on purpose. I mean, you're the one who is funny because he is absolutely right...
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Of my possible suspects, I felt that Vivax would be most affected by pressure. Vivax has trouble keeping up his activity as mafia, it stands to reason that he'd struggle even more when facing large odds. (explanation: if you have a hard time posting and keeping active as mafia, then that's even harder when your purpose for posting, staying alive, seems out of reach)
Unfortunately it's really hard to get people to vote for something without super incredible reasons, and honestly even then I can't get people to vote for something :/ so the effort that went into getting the votes kinda gave it away.
Also Vivax seems to have stuff going on (moving, health issues) that prevent him from playing up to his ideal standard, which makes it harder to get a clear conclusion from the pressure. The ideal result would have been Vivax going on a crusade to find the mafia in the face of insurmountable odds, which didn't happen, but I think the way Vivax played makes me much more able to see him as town than I was before. Because he didn't give up, he kept playing his game and doing his thing, and I respect that a ton.
I'd much rather pursue other options for now, I think at this point, Vivax is much less suspicious than several others.
##unvote
##vote die_meatbaby
Side note, you can call my play stupid, I wouldn't necessarily disagree. I think we benefited some from it at least, and I think a few factors out of my control limited the impact. But it's hard to know how it will play out before you will do it, and I've never tried something like this before, I figured it was worth a go.
I think I'm most interested in die_meatbaby and raynpelikoneet. Second tier would be Oatsmaster, Koshi, scott31337, Alakaslam, sandroba, and Vivax. I'm very glad that raynpelikoneet and AlphaZero are whisperers, I hope that AlphaZero can get some leads there.
I'm okayish with sandroba for now, honestly (as in, I am not confident enough that he is mafia to lynch him as opposed for waiting to see more from him). Oatsmaster is paranoia. Koshi is weirding me out, Alakaslam is just confusing. I think that unless something changes dramatically, die_meatbaby is the most sensible lynch.
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I do need to look at Koshi more. I haven't done my due diligence in that. Koshi is always very confusing for me, his extreme confidence makes it hard for me to understand his thought processes.
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@scott31337, I can't control your vote, but I'd look at die_meatbaby again.
Admittedly I don't have the greatest understanding of die_meatbaby's list post, which is her biggest contribution to the game, so maybe I'm being hasty. But I felt like she had dug herself a very, very, VERY deep hole before that. For example, remember how die_meatbaby said she was going to reread the game and everyone's filters? She also said that last time she was mafia. Can you honestly tell me you think die_meatbaby reread the game and everyone's filters? It's just not realistic. I don't even care how fast you can read. It's a blatant lie, and one that she is known to use as mafia.
Also note how she is ignoring the reasons used to scumread her. This is very likely because they are accurate, and there's nothing she can do about it. She's just trying to distract from them and hope people forget.
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Nah you're fine Vivax. I just think die_meatbaby looks a lot like her mafia game. I dunno if you read much of that since we mislynched you day 1 but she's still coming up with anything and everything to avoid scum hunting. It's different on the surface (no crusade against Palmar, no overwhelming, constant anger) but deeper than that, it's very similar.
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On June 11 2024 03:47 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 03:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also what has fake push from trfel towards vivax have to do with needing to reassess OTHER four ppl??? Because I trusted him. Because marv said it was a good case. My brain can only accept one truth and then feel if it is a good truth. To be fair I intentionally ignored marvellosity's post right after he said my case was good where he said Vivax posted a lot and that's a good reason for him to he town.
I see you glossed over this.
Who's ignoring marvellosity's filter now? 
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Or was that Vivax who accused me of ignoring marvellosity's filter? Could be wrong.
Oh well, if I was right it was a good gotcha.
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I'm honestly confused at how Koshi can be so upset over this?
The only reason someone should be this upset IMO is if they were extremely invested in seeing Vivax lynched.
With that in mind, why does Koshi think Vivax is mafia? When he voted for Vivax, he quoted one of my posts, presumably as reasoning. However, that was a post about die_meatbaby with a one-liner on Vivax. Koshi also seems to think Vivax is mafia because Vivax thinks scott31337 is mafia.
If Koshi was so certain and invested in Vivax being mafia that he'd get this upset at me backing off of the Vivax pressure, surely he'd have some actual reasons, no?
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I mean if you guys still think Vivax is mafia and want to lynch him, go ahead I guess? Maybe you're right. I certainly haven't cleared Vivax, I just thought there was no further benefit from voting for him.
I just think a few other people look worse.
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On June 11 2024 04:05 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 04:02 Trfel wrote:
I'm honestly confused at how Koshi can be so upset over this?
The only reason someone should be this upset IMO is if they were extremely invested in seeing Vivax lynched.
With that in mind, why does Koshi think Vivax is mafia? When he voted for Vivax, he quoted one of my posts, presumably as reasoning. However, that was a post about die_meatbaby with a one-liner on Vivax. Koshi also seems to think Vivax is mafia because Vivax thinks scott31337 is mafia.
If Koshi was so certain and invested in Vivax being mafia that he'd get this upset at me backing off of the Vivax pressure, surely he'd have some actual reasons, no? Because I think you had Vivax. In that case the reasons are still there, aren't they? Can't you just go lynch him, with or without me?
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Was trying to analyze die_meatbaby's last game as mafia to compare it to this game but it was hard to make a clear analysis. There weren't individual posts that matched, more of overall trends.
The key though is, die_meatbaby doesn't really know what to do as mafia. She was mafia in a game that was aborted, and then her first "full" game as mafia was Winter Warfare Mafia, about six months ago, which is the game I was referring to. In this game, she went on a huge crusade about Palmar being mafia, and hid behind emotional responses (mostly anger). This is why I say that she doesn't know how to play as scum, because she didn't play the game "normally," just focused on one scumread for literally the entire game.
This game, it's different. Let's assume for the moment that die_meatbaby is indeed mafia here. She can't play the same way she did as last game, because that could only work once. In other words, can't use emotion to cover up not playing, can't hide behind one single scumread the whole game. So what can she do?
The answer is the excuses for inactivity/not scumhunting (see here if you want to know what I am talking about). That's an excuse more frequently than every eight posts. This is absolutely ridiculous, and I am really struggling to see how this could come from town.
Furthermore, she's consistently avoided responding to the reasons people are bringing up to scumread her. Just posting about something else (usually how she's not able to play). This makes me think that the reasons are accurate, and she has no explanation.
Are there any reasons to not lynch die_meatbaby? I'm trying to think of ways this could be wrong, and sometimes I have doubts, but never any reasons to actually townread her. If she is actually town and is playing like this (or rather, not playing like this), I don't see how anyone could ever realistically figure out that she is town. I'll keep thinking about it, but if this is true, there's a huge risk if we let die_meatbaby live, and the issue just isn't going to go away.
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On June 11 2024 03:57 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 03:50 Trfel wrote:
Nah you're fine Vivax. I just think die_meatbaby looks a lot like her mafia game. I dunno if you read much of that since we mislynched you day 1 but she's still coming up with anything and everything to avoid scum hunting. It's different on the surface (no crusade against Palmar, no overwhelming, constant anger) but deeper than that, it's very similar. Why do I avoid scum hunting? I told you sandro what be my highest prefering lynch but I am fine with Vivax as well "See, I'm scumhunting! Sandroba is my top scumread!!!"
(meanwhile, sandroba is posting for the first time in over 48 hours and die_meatbaby doesn't have any interest in this whatsoever)
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On June 11 2024 05:01 Koshi wrote:
DMB shares my reads and calls me supertown.
Hard for me to lynch her. I think you also might share an alignment 
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On June 10 2024 07:22 Koshi wrote:No I am going to bed. I dont like sandroba because there is 0 emotion in his play. Very analytical posts, no "wrong or cheap" stuff to figure out the game. I dont know. It almost looks too stereotypical one sided to be mafia. Like... why would you play mafia like that. This is Koshi's reason for sandroba being mafia? Plus small filter? And that's it?
Disappointing.
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On June 11 2024 05:14 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2024 05:13 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 07:22 Koshi wrote:On June 10 2024 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
anyone here? No I am going to bed. I dont like sandroba because there is 0 emotion in his play. Very analytical posts, no "wrong or cheap" stuff to figure out the game. I dont know. It almost looks too stereotypical one sided to be mafia. Like... why would you play mafia like that. This is Koshi's reason for sandroba being mafia? Plus small filter? And that's it? Disappointing. I would prefer it if you vote me over dmb. Because I will defend myself. Now you are going to bury a townie and mafia will sit in your ass. I'm still not sure where to end up. I like the die_meatbaby vote right now but could absolutely be wrong, or something else could definitely be better.
Just can't do it all instantly.
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On June 10 2024 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 03:59 Trfel wrote:
@Raynpelikoneet, I think without reading that portion of the thread, especially the last 10 pages before the deadline, it's tough to understand. So many people weren't present that nothing was going to happen. I wouldn't attribute it to AlphaZero and marvellosity at all, there's simply no convincing someone who isn't there to hear you. yes i am over that shit already. See, you say you are over it, but you keep bringing it up? What?
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Koshi: makes no sense. Tries to post fluidly but as the game state has been changing rapidly, he's shown an incongruous mindset. For example, he said I went from hero to zero. He thought I was doing great because I was pushing Vivax and raynpelikoneet. But Koshi himself stopped scumreading Vivax, before posting the hero to zero thing, and I don't even think he is that suspicious of raynpelikoneet. But he still said hero to zero. How can he still say that I was being a hero if he thinks I was pushing townies as mafia? That's very far from hero play?
Die_meatbaby, Koshi, and raynpelikoneet are in a special tier of hyper suspicious people that make me wish we could triple lynch today 
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On June 11 2024 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I should be on computer in somewhat 30mins.
Let it be known i already told AZ 6 hours ago i dont think case on vivax is strong. Vivax teaction to case wss also townie. I can write why the case is not hood an see how many people will still stick there. Don't bother, I can't imagine Vivax getting lynched.
Is there any reason why I should think you are town?
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On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.
That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.
Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? Okay, lemme break down the best case in the game.
First point, you even say isn't bad in and of itself.
Second point, I thought made sense, upon rereading sandroba's filter though that's not what he is saying. Sandroba's post #2446 means that he thinks Oatsmaster can't be mafia if rsoultin/Koshi is town. He just said it in a weird way. Then, separately, he thinks Oatsmaster is town. At a glance you can maybe see it as sandroba thinking that if rsoultin/Koshi is mafia, Oatsmaster is mafia, but I really really don't think that is what sandroba is saying.
Third point, huh? My best guess at what you are trying to say is that you are referring to this:On June 11 2024 00:21 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 17:00 Koshi wrote:
I am 100% convinced you are mafia. But I will lynch you last because your filter is huge.
Sandroba and Mocsta are both mafia and I think we agree on that. Okay this actually makes me feel a lot better, since I think rsoul is to me much harder to pin down as mafia than Koshi. For Koshi if he is this bad he is mafia and this view makes him mafia 100%. There is absolutely no way Koshi comes in with fresh eyes, reads the same thread as me and comes to this conclusion. Which isn't just a misinterpretation of sandroba's post but is blatantly ignoring the entire point?
You cannot possibly think this case holds any water whatsoever, much less being the best case in the game?
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Whenever raynpelikoneet posts, I get more convinced he is mafia.
Whenever Koshi posts, I get more convinced he is mafia.
Whenever die_meatbaby posts, I get a little more convinced she is mafia. Just, this doesn't happen very often.
I give up, it's just too obvious, surely it can't be right. Someone else figure this out ><
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