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On June 10 2024 11:54 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 11:47 Trfel wrote:
Die_meatbaby, do you have a read on scott31337 yet?
Either way though, look at it this way:
1. Scott31337 is town. This means that town spent the vast majority of day 1 focusing on town wagons (Kelsi3r and scott31337), so mafia didn't have to do anything but sit there and watch. In this context, does AlphaZero's play (huge push for lynching scott31337, to the point of great frustration) make sense? Yes it's theoretically possible, but it's so much simpler for AlphaZero to just be town. Mafia players (alignment) don't tend to go through tons of extra work if they don't have to.
2. Scott31337 is mafia. Why on earth would AlphaZero spend all day pushing his scum buddy scott31337 against so much resistance? And even if this is what happened, if he was trying to bus scott31337, then why wouldn't scott31337 give up, since he knows he is being bussed? It's theoretically possible for them to both be mafia and for things to play out like they did but it's not realistic at all. I still believe scott is somehow town. I said it before most of the time we have t vs t lynch on d1. I will tomorrow take time to filter everybody reread the game and make a list post. For now I will go to sleep. You can't honestly tell me you are going to read 111+ pages tomorrow? That's simply not realistic. Plus filters on top?
This is the kind of thing I find suspicious.
"sorry I've been inactive I will catch up now"
"I'll have more time tomorrow and will play properly"
"stuck at work, tomorrow I will be here"
"now I will have real time to play"
"sorry work was busy so I will go to sleep and reread the game tomorrow"
"I'll try more when more people are active"
"I'm sorry I didn't play yesterday due to work, I'll start playing as soon as the night phase is over"
"I'll post my scumreads before the night ends"
"oops my nap was too long, [random names of people who might be mafia with no reason]"
"I'll have a lot of time the next two days"
"tomorrow I will filter everyone and reread the game and post my reads"
When does it end?
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On June 10 2024 11:58 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 11:56 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 10 2024 11:55 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 10 2024 11:51 Trfel wrote:On June 10 2024 11:01 die_meatbaby wrote:
mocasta maybe red aswell Actually, I glossed over this in all the things going on. On June 10 2024 11:08 die_meatbaby wrote:
I don´t understand mafia here right now. If somebody claims blue... why do they not kill mocstar.
Marv is always strong Town. But mafia shouldn´t be that scared of him on the n1 Which is it? Is Mocsta mafia, or is he blue? If anything these posts would make much more sense reversed, where die_meatbaby is thinking of Mocsta as blue before the deadline, but mafia after, no? Because i am not sure if the claim is true That he didn't die in the night is strange as hell in my eyes It was fake obviously. The only strange thing is that the prot wasn‘t on marv. And the list of afks is really small and…Maybe you can already figure out who the medic/jk is.
Roleblock is a possiblity too
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Vivax mocsta slam final answer
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On June 10 2024 12:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vivax mocsta slam final answer But you won't vote for Vivax?
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Where is whisperer claim?
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On June 10 2024 12:09 Trfel wrote:But you won't vote for Vivax?
Calm down there’s no rush
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On June 09 2024 12:35 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 12:32 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:25 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 12:18 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:
The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so. help me out, im being dumb dumb the only reason i can see is this from marv https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=66#1302like.. why cant mafia have wagoned kelsier to save scott equally? i get in marv of rsoultin, he is expecting the most likely answer is double-town wagon; yet, why cannot it not be an effort to save scott equally? It‘s beneficial to take sides as mafia here. Or maybe look undecided. They only have two buffets to choose from and don‘t have to be active so there‘s zero downside to being active, preferrably on the side of the one who‘s going to remain unflipped. Without accounting for players who are time constrained or just don‘t care enough. i see which feeds into my ongoing concerns with how the kelsi3r train was building i dont want to blanket discard how d1 unfolded for you; heuristically for me, its really hard to not acknowledge the complexities of having 1/3 of town to barely post for the 24hrs before lynch. it makes it hard for me to then follow your interpretation. i am in agreement with the other post that there should be options outside of scott tomorrow though. Right ? Wouldn‘t make much sense after a majority decided to spare him. My next favourite would be the rsoultin slot because theirs was one of the deciding votes. Not necessarily to lynch but definitely to consider. For example, what is this? It doesn't make sense to lynch scott31337 because the majority kept him alive, so instead we should look at the rsoultin/Koshi slot for helping keep scott31337 alive? Which only has weight if scott31337 is mafia? But remember, it doesn't make sense to lynch scott31337?!?!
Just too many suspicious things to lynch them all 
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On June 10 2024 12:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vivax mocsta slam final answer
Lol you think I‘m double bussing ?
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On June 10 2024 12:15 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 12:35 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 12:32 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:25 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 12:18 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:
The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so. help me out, im being dumb dumb the only reason i can see is this from marv https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=66#1302like.. why cant mafia have wagoned kelsier to save scott equally? i get in marv of rsoultin, he is expecting the most likely answer is double-town wagon; yet, why cannot it not be an effort to save scott equally? It‘s beneficial to take sides as mafia here. Or maybe look undecided. They only have two buffets to choose from and don‘t have to be active so there‘s zero downside to being active, preferrably on the side of the one who‘s going to remain unflipped. Without accounting for players who are time constrained or just don‘t care enough. i see which feeds into my ongoing concerns with how the kelsi3r train was building i dont want to blanket discard how d1 unfolded for you; heuristically for me, its really hard to not acknowledge the complexities of having 1/3 of town to barely post for the 24hrs before lynch. it makes it hard for me to then follow your interpretation. i am in agreement with the other post that there should be options outside of scott tomorrow though. Right ? Wouldn‘t make much sense after a majority decided to spare him. My next favourite would be the rsoultin slot because theirs was one of the deciding votes. Not necessarily to lynch but definitely to consider. For example, what is this? It doesn't make sense to lynch scott31337 because the majority kept him alive, so instead we should look at the rsoultin/Koshi slot for helping keep scott31337 alive? Which only has weight if scott31337 is mafia? But remember, it doesn't make sense to lynch scott31337?!?! Just too many suspicious things to lynch them all
Ah yes but the nonsense slam wrote about his marv read must make sense to you.
What you‘re quoting is the translation of my frustration that scott didn‘t get lynched
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Slam Trfel Oats could be a thing after all.
The effort comes across as very coordinated and full of nonsense
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or scott trfel Oats.
But that‘s less likely imo
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But keep calm and listen to marv is the smart thing.
That‘s the allergy to bullshit talking out of me ig
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Why does everyone keep posting combos
We don't have the flips for association
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Hey Mocsta, can you talk to me for a bit? I feel like I'm going insane and need help to not do that ><
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On June 10 2024 12:30 Trfel wrote:
Hey Mocsta, can you talk to me for a bit? I feel like I'm going insane and need help to not do that >< look I can
It's going to be review the case though right?
That's something will have to wait till I'm back from work
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Day Two Vote Count
Vivax (3): Trfel, AlphaZero, Scott31337
scott31337 (1): Vivax
Not Voting (7): Oatsmaster, Koshi, die_meatbaby, Alakaslam, raynpelikoneet, sandroba, Mocsta
With 3 votes, Vivax is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 12 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
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On June 10 2024 12:29 Mocsta wrote:
Why does everyone keep posting combos
We don't have the flips for association
We have the marv flip.
Trfel suddenly pushing mislynches and ignoring the NK and generally not looking very believable.
AZ sitting around like some kung fu master sorting people into japanese fighting game tiers.
Oats being Oats.
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And scott casing Az at night then casually landing on a wagon with him
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Might be a last ditch effort by mafia to save scott here
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On June 10 2024 12:38 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 12:29 Mocsta wrote:
Why does everyone keep posting combos
We don't have the flips for association
We have the marv flip. Trfel suddenly pushing mislynches and ignoring the NK and generally not looking very believable. AZ sitting around like some kung fu master sorting people into japanese fighting game tiers. Oats being Oats. nah
Marv flip doesn't count for team combos
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EPT
