On June 14 2024 10:27 Trfel wrote: Wait, Mocsta, what's wrong?
I mean he has a lot more reason than I did, in the context of the game. Shit is getting tough globally too it seems but honestly things are not going well for Moc as either alignment here
On June 14 2024 10:40 AlphaZero wrote: Its an appeal to emotion that I have used as scum before, but the question is: Is mocsta a big enough dick to pull that move.
On June 14 2024 10:27 Trfel wrote: Wait, Mocsta, what's wrong?
I mean he has a lot more reason than I did, in the context of the game. Shit is getting tough globally too it seems but honestly things are not going well for Moc as either alignment here
Mate is this a war room conference or a mafia game sometimes I wonder
On June 14 2024 13:32 Trfel wrote: I dunno. I don't think it's AlphaZero, and I don't think it's Mocsta. But I also don't have the energy to read carefully enough to make an informed opinion, and even if I did, I wouldn't have the energy to push for it.
I guess I can politely suggest that we lynch someone else, probably die_meatbaby, but I completely understand if you don't listen to me. I highly doubt I would if I was in your shoes.
I'm sorry for playing so poorly You guys deserve better.
Raynpelikoneet said he thinks Mocsta is mafia in post #4094. Maybe there's something to it, I don't really think so, but we'll find out tomorrow I suppose. Hope you guys are right.
Idk, much of it comes down to Mocsta thinking the same things I did, right? I get that those things weren't great, it's even possible that they were 100% wrong, but I am town and I thought those things, can I really say that it makes someone else mafia for thinking that way too?
I don't care for the analysis of Alakaslam asking for replacement and then coming back. I don't care for analysis of Mocsta quitting. I think those things are non alignment indicative, hard to get accurate conclusions from, and even if they aren't, I think it's detrimental to the game.
I'd lynch die_meatbaby or probably scott31337. I think I just have to accept never having a read on Alakaslam. I look over his filter and he's at 11 pages but I don't feel like he has done very much, so it's hard for me to conclude much.
But then again there's Vivax who decided to mason me and also ignore me and I have no idea what that means :/
If anyone wants to talk, let me know. Not that I have anything useful to say, but I can try.
On June 14 2024 14:39 Trfel wrote: AlphaZero, you want me to explain why I think Mocsta is town because you disagree right? Not to convince everyone else?
I am also willing to vote for scott31337. Whatever seems more reasonable.
A list summary similar to a couple in this game. Note: 1. Celestial is a scum partner that survived end game. Tone is very factual/content and leaves optionality Note. 2. Half the Sky is a scum partner that is a godfather. Scott plays to the setup which applies to a persons preference mafia or town. The mason whisper stuff is largely NAI as a question in itself
Celestial-I don’t like the timing when he claimed – He was under very little pressure. He hasn’t been counterclaimed though. Vet and Doc might be OP. If he isn’t shot tonight (although he could save himself, doesn’t say anything in the OP that he cannot) I’d probably lynch him after The Shining. Leaning scum
Silverarte – Asks a bunch of questions without responding to ones they are asked. Trying to fly under the radar. Leaning scum
Celestial-I don’t like the timing when he claimed – He was under very little pressure. He hasn’t been counterclaimed though. Vet and Doc might be OP. If he isn’t shot tonight (although he could save himself, doesn’t say anything in the OP that he cannot) I’d probably lynch him after The Shining. Leaning scum
The Shining – scum – refuses to move his vote for both mislynches, tries to lay under the radar, says he’s solving the game but is not.
Lets see how scott refers to sandroba this game N1 when sandroba was not a wagon for D2
On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote: With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia.
Of course he is now usefull for mafia... still easy lynch material I am pretty sure we had t vs t lynch today. Thats a reason why he will not get nk tonight. But why do oats think that he wouldn´t get nk?
because im going to jailkeep him
Now I know scum had to have seen this and someone put it in their chat. And I have two theories -
1. Mocsta is the JK and will protect someone tonight (Said oats in the post) I think this is the most realistic answer - but I do have some doubts.
I believe Mocsta will get shot tonight.
2. Mocsta fakeclaimed Now Koshi has been going after Mocsta since he joined. The other thing I want to ask this day also Koshi -
On June 10 2024 07:26 Koshi wrote: Mocsta is playing very well if mafia. My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter.
And afterwards, you still call him mafia. So if you read his filter, you saw the post - and you still want to lynch him. So that tells me something. And I'm willing to listen.
Order list - not lynching today Trfel - Probably still top town. Still thinking things out even at night. I hope he was protected. Very curious who he wants to go after today also. Koshi - I townread Rsoultin and I really townread Koshi. I want to hear Koshi's thoughts on the above first. raynpelikoneet - He's asking questions and thinking about the game as well. I did read Trfel's post on him though and is worth reviewing. Oatsmaster Oats is playing a lot different than his last game, and he also seems to be investigating/scumhunting. Mocsta - I still feel he's town. Depending on Koshi, this could obviously change. Vivax He's been acting a little weird N1, but has some good posts here and there.
Weaker die_meatbaby - I'm still townleaning DMB, and the Vivax/DMB posting feels TvT to me. But you need to step it up and scumhunt today. marvellosity - This is so tough. I don't know any recent marv games, but back in the day when we played, he was very timid as scum. This marv is not. But this marv also comes up with indifferent scumreads and is in the bed with AZ. So weird.
Would lynch order Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one. Alakaslam Filter is very meh. Marv townread, AZ townread, scumread me. Had one okay post and the rest has not been. AlphaZero A very good player that has my spider senses on alert. A few other townies have a bit of suspicion also on him, but not enough to really matter yet. I'm very curious of who he goes after today.
here is another mafia game 1yr later where he seems to have IRL issues but there is one post again similar to his style of summary/catchip in this game
On November 25 2015 08:09 Chromatically wrote: I'm more interested in if he thinks FF is mafia for that?
ya probably. Hes afraid he will be outed and coming clean will gain him town cred. Theres no way ff smurfed to reveal himself the 80% of the time he rolled town. It makes no sense...
Espiecally since I have never seen him get mafia in like 15 games with him...
lynch ff for sanity
Hmm, I had the opposite reaction. Why would he be afraid of being outed as a smurf?
Ok so ff has a very high perecentage of rolling town. Town is like 80% of the players. Why would he make a smurf when hes only getting mafia like 23% of the time or whatever. Especially when he historically never gets mafia anyway..
lol..
Hmm?
You might have a point here, especially revealing so early before he could even see the affects of smurfing.
FF tends to play fairly lazily the first few days and picks it up later. Maybe he rolled mafia and was worried people would push him early on?
Course all of this is assuming it's actually FF and not someone trying to mind game us early... that's pretty tinfoily though and would be a pretty silly play.
Gunna put this down as slightly suspect but possibly NAI for now.
I'm just not seeing it for being a scumread - I see there's a lot of fluff there, he comes up with a superweak conclusion - is that what you are referring to?
On November 25 2015 11:55 GlowingBear wrote: Enough dicking around.
What do you guys think of what I've brought on Tictock?
this post right?
On November 25 2015 11:30 GlowingBear wrote: Cool, some weak early reads:
Koshi looks townie for his tone. Especially when he makes the post of the town pyramid and the following one.
Chrom looks townie for thinking critically about the game.
SL looks scummy for this hard push on FF on a matter that isn't really alignment indicative.
Tictock looks scummy for commenting that SL may have a point but concluding that FF's thing isn't alignment indicative. If SL does have a point then it is alignment indicative. If it isn't alignment indicative, SL doesn't have a point. Therefore you just look you're posting to look contributive while actually being fluffy and pushing the matter nowhere
That's honestly not a bad call...
Isn't that just arguing that his choice of words was wrong though?
On November 25 2015 08:09 Chromatically wrote: I'm more interested in if he thinks FF is mafia for that?
ya probably. Hes afraid he will be outed and coming clean will gain him town cred. Theres no way ff smurfed to reveal himself the 80% of the time he rolled town. It makes no sense...
Espiecally since I have never seen him get mafia in like 15 games with him...
lynch ff for sanity
Hmm, I had the opposite reaction. Why would he be afraid of being outed as a smurf?
Ok so ff has a very high perecentage of rolling town. Town is like 80% of the players. Why would he make a smurf when hes only getting mafia like 23% of the time or whatever. Especially when he historically never gets mafia anyway..
lol..
Hmm?
You might have a point here, especially revealing so early before he could even see the affects of smurfing.
FF tends to play fairly lazily the first few days and picks it up later. Maybe he rolled mafia and was worried people would push him early on?
Course all of this is assuming it's actually FF and not someone trying to mind game us early... that's pretty tinfoily though and would be a pretty silly play.
Gunna put this down as slightly suspect but possibly NAI for now.
Nah, FF. He clearly agrees with SL. It's not a "I understand you, but..."
Let me expand my suspicions on this post.
If I see somethig that is NAI, whenever someone says it is suspicious, I will tell them that it's NAI. Whenever I see something that I find suspicious and someone say its suspicious, I will simply agree with it.
I don't understand how can someone agree on a suspicion but reach the conclusion that that is NAI. His thought process is disconnected with his conclusion. In other words, it just sounds that he tried to fake putting thoughts on it when he was really just... Posting.
Also, if this is slightly suspicious, why classifying it as NAI now instead of pushing it further, especially on the early phase of the game when usually we have NOTHING to pursue?
Do you understsnd what I'm trying to say?
This makes more sense - I wouldn't throw him in the scumpile for it or anything yet, but I see your point, and it sounds like you are trying to critically think about the game.. I like it so far.
On June 08 2024 21:16 AlphaZero wrote: I want to lynch Scott unless he comes back and shits town flavored rainbows. 🌈
That make sense trfel??
Yes and no, I understand that this is your perspective, but I disagree that doing so makes sense
In my opinion this is the towniest game I've ever seen scott31337 play. I'm just not very inclined to lynch him in it tbh.
What do you propose then trfel? Kelsier lynch? It’s almost policy at this point.
Yes, I've made it pretty clear that I want to lynch Kelsi3r. I don't think any other lynch is anywhere near as good.
I don't think it's policy at all, honestly to me it looks most like either: 1 - he got bullied out of the thread or 2 - he got caught and lost motivation to post
Obviously I think it's the latter, though if there is reasoning for the former I am willing to reconsider.
Policy is lynching someone for activity or something like that. Kelsi3r was around, walked himself into a hole, got caught, and THEN stopped posting. Very, very different.
This was something I noted as well, and one of the reasons I would like to lynch Kelsi3r for the time being. He has not posted since you wrote this message either.
On June 08 2024 08:29 scott31337 wrote: I've read the thread but I've had a long day at work as well, so am a bit tired.
I searched my name in Alpha's filter - 20 times at the moment And if you have been paying attention - keeps calling me scummy.
I search for Vivax -
On June 07 2024 12:12 AlphaZero wrote: Vivax looks town.
20 hours ago
The rest is quotes from Vivax or others saying his name.
A post an hour ago
Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him
And now he votes for him.
But AZ has been calling me scummy all game so far.
Seems suspicious to me.
The timing of this post was a bit suspicious because AZ and Oats were going at me at the time so it might have led me to be pocketed by Scott playing devil's advocate.
I don't feel like this is going to be an easy game.
The timing was AZ going after me and changing his vote to someone else. This would be better read in context (post link) instead of filter. I still am lost about the "Vivax read" stuff.
On June 09 2024 05:23 AlphaZero wrote: If one of these guys is town we are going to mislynch.
What town agenda is this from? It's extremely rare you find two mafia D1. And I know I'm town. Like to me posting this is just muddying the waters and shitting in it.
the point of this is to show that scotts game is a more focused version when scum.
i just dont see him and sandroba bussing that hard even though scott had low cred as a wagon d1 candidate. to conclude this is a possibility i think is ignoring the simplest answer, in that sandroba found a logical inconsistency to attack with 'truth' which you are always seeking for as mafia.
If 2 mafia are on the chopping block day 1, the best thing to do is bus.
On June 14 2024 17:27 Trfel wrote: For the record, that wasn't meant to be a case but an analysis. I agreed that in the first note, die_meatbaby's play made sense.
For the second note, though technically die_meatbaby posted after the day post, it doesn't read like she had seen the day post when she went to post this. But it doesn't matter too much.
You might be right, I haven't seen die_meatbaby play as town really so I don't know how it would come off to me. And although possible, this would require mafia to have double bussed day 2. But also, like, who else?
Scott31337? Doubt there is enough support, and imo there are some doubts there too... Alakaslam? Eh... Raynpelikoneet and Koshi were instrumental in lynching mafia yesterday. I don't see enough reason to ignore that. You and Mocsta have been my strongest sources of logic, reasoning, and sense this game. Regardless of how correct your reads are, you've been the easiest people for me to reason with. And I think that goes a long way. Maybe I'm being super pocketed but it's how I am seeing it. Leaves an active Vivax. Eh again. He feels underwhelming at times but quite solid at others.
Maybe this is me being bad and looking at reasons to townread instead of reasons to scumread, which tends to be much less effective for me. But also it's starting to get closer to the deadline and I'm just not as confident in anything as I'd like. I keep looking at scott31337 and Mocsta and it just doesn't feel quite right, I could absolutely see scott31337 being mafia and I could vote him but idk, now I'm just rambling, idk anymore.
Often enough, the best logicians in a thread are mafia.
On June 14 2024 18:29 Koshi wrote: rayn please forgive me. I was confused for a bit but I am back ok. Mafia is AZ and not Mocsta. Please consider this.
But in both cases dmb is mafia with them.
The thing that really sucks about this is that I can’t even just put it down to you being bad, cause clearly I’m doing something wrong in establishing my innocence.
I guess I can empathise with palmar from last game.
On June 14 2024 15:59 Koshi wrote: Look guys. We need to kill the girl. It's simple.
Tomorrow we decide if it is AZ/Mocsta/Scott as third.
I said it before.
Kill small fishes first.
I am a bad misslynch. Kinda everybody is pushing me as scum except for scott. It will be hard to find the actuall mafia after town sees that I am Town. I spend the last 2 hours who started town to get me as a lynch wagon. I am still unsure if az or Mocstar are mafia but one of them defently is. The last posts from mocstar seems kinda townisch. I think this emotional posts are not fake. So I am taking my vote (sadly) of mocstar. And If I get lynched because of taking my vote of one of the two main wagons. It is okey better loss me as town then losing someone who seems like actually try to find mafia, at least putting more eford in the game then me ##Unvote ##Vote AZ
Why spread a vote here
So dmb is mafia?
Well, Koshi, I apologize. I think I need to reread the room.