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On May 13 2024 16:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2024 16:38 Jealous wrote:
The crazy thing is at least one of you has to be town, it could easily be both, and at most one of your targets is scum, and both of you made such compelling arguments. I am too tired to paint or decide which makes more sense, but I will be back tomorrow. Props to both of y'all. Wait who? Me and Trfel? Why is Trfel's argument compelling to you?
A more elaborated version of Scott's but also sufficiently different so as to not make me think that Trfel just copied Scott's homework, also seemingly written in ignorance of him having posted it. I believe it, so I'm referring to Trfel pointing out Chezinu and you pointing out Palmar. Between the two posters and the two targets, there can only be one scum, and only one scum on either side, is kinda what I was getting at.
Scott is already a TR for me.
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On May 13 2024 16:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2024 16:43 Jealous wrote:On May 13 2024 13:16 Trfel wrote:
I really think it's almost certainly Jealous or a Chezinu who didn't submit a night kill. And one of us showed up and made up a reason for why they did make the NK as town and the other is just not bothering to counter? Truth to be told there IS a reason why you would do what you did as mafia. You don't want to make 2 night kills instead of one, because MYLO is better than LYLO as there is more targets to lynch alive. It's an argument to make tbh. It's however not an argument to make, because basically lying in any other way is more beneficial for you as mafia lol. 
Yea, kinda my point, on top of the bussing.
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Yes, we already know whoever is mafia WAS bussing Oats.
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On May 13 2024 16:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes, we already know whoever is mafia WAS bussing Oats.
That's why i made the post where i tried to make my point clear that i think there was no reason for anyone other than Chezinu or Palmar to do that, because they could have better options to handle D1.
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On May 13 2024 16:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes, we already know whoever is mafia WAS bussing Oats.
Only one person has first vote (though cancelled) and only one person voted after it was cancelled and stuck with it. Scott and myself. Either I'm scum or scott is scum or neither is scum and I think that Ockham's would dictate that it is the last of these options that makes the most sense. Both other options would necessitate one of us being the first to vote and be bussing. So, when looking at who is bussing, it has to be someone who voted after myself and Scott unless Scott bussed and got cold feet on no push-back (IIRC) or I saw a wagon start and die and decide that "now is the time to bus my partner Oats who publicly called me out so I get town cred."
Starting a town circle knowing that I am town and there is sufficient evidence that someone else is town feels like the logical play here for town, knowing that scum is alone and cannot collude with someone.
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On May 13 2024 16:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2024 16:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes, we already know whoever is mafia WAS bussing Oats. That's why i made the post where i tried to make my point clear that i think there was no reason for anyone other than Chezinu or Palmar to do that, because they could have better options to handle D1.
Following you so far, I just am hard-pressed to make a decision between which is more likely right now.
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On May 13 2024 17:06 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2024 16:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes, we already know whoever is mafia WAS bussing Oats. Only one person has first vote (though cancelled) and only one person voted after it was cancelled and stuck with it. Scott and myself. Either I'm scum or scott is scum or neither is scum and I think that Ockham's would dictate that it is the last of these options that makes the most sense. Both other options would necessitate one of us being the first to vote and be bussing. So, when looking at who is bussing, it has to be someone who voted after myself and Scott unless Scott bussed and got cold feet on no push-back (IIRC) or I saw a wagon start and die and decide that "now is the time to bus my partner Oats who publicly called me out so I get town cred." Starting a town circle knowing that I am town and there is sufficient evidence that someone else is town feels like the logical play here for town, knowing that scum is alone and cannot collude with someone.
I think youre entirely right here, and ism advocating the same thing, even if i am not part of it.
Just dont get antsy with Trfel's case. It doesnt do any good if toure town.
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I personally dont know why Trfel has to make that case on you if he is mafia?
He can probably just ride with Palmar or Chezinu and be good with it without too much hassle.
Especially since he would have to KNOW he is lying in making a case on you here, and i know i at least am notorious of changing my mind really fast if i see something that is bullshit. If i decided that Trfel made a big bullshit case on you, you would probably be on board as well. Is it a good idea to do that, when you have easier options?
Not saying Trfel is 100% town for making a bad case, just saying i think it is most likely a case made by a townie, based on his MO.
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On May 13 2024 17:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I personally dont know why Trfel has to make that case on you if he is mafia?
He can probably just ride with Palmar or Chezinu and be good with it without too much hassle.
Especially since he would have to KNOW he is lying in making a case on you here, and i know i at least am notorious of changing my mind really fast if i see something that is bullshit. If i decided that Trfel made a big bullshit case on you, you would probably be on board as well. Is it a good idea to do that, when you have easier options?
Not saying Trfel is 100% town for making a bad case, just saying i think it is most likely a case made by a townie, based on his MO.
Feels that way at the moment, for sure. I am more inclined to believe one of Chezinu/Palmar is scum than you/Trfel at the moment. I was just stating the deductive facts of the situation, but you did definitely summarize the situation in a palatable way that helps me see things your way. Willing to sheep, but will review with a clearer head tomorrow after some sleep. (4:30 AM ET rn).
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We'll have time. It's good.
I am more into what Palmar and Chezinu have to say atm.
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I'm voting you because the only other option is to assume you're just monumentally stupid.
I don't think you are, so you must be mafia.
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On May 13 2024 18:14 Palmar wrote:
I'm voting you because the only other option is to assume you're just monumentally stupid.
I don't think you are, so you must be mafia.
If that's what you think i must say 
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Why should i think you are town?
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Why should i think anyone else is mafia, based on what i have laid out all game?
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On May 13 2024 18:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why should i think anyone else is mafia, based on what i have laid out all game?
And if i am wrong, why dont you correct me instead of just call me mafia?
Am i REALLY mafia because i think youre mafia?
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What is the real reason you voted for Oats?
Why did you vote for Oats and not Grack?
Why didnt you want to have a dead on me D1?
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On May 13 2024 09:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I wan a clarification for this. In the OP it says:
After the lynch and with the night post, the host will announce which player received the powerup, but not what powerup they received. They can not be shot that night.
Does that mean a shot on that player is not allowed, or does it mean that player is protected if shot?
The player can not be targeted.
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Okay so i can only assume Jealous cannot have been the target of N1 kill.
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EPT
