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On May 13 2024 05:39 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2024 05:27 Jealous wrote:On May 13 2024 05:03 scott31337 wrote:
Well there goes my case.
Jealous anything to report? Not at home so I will break my own self-rule of using only MS Paint but I got vigilante and I killed Grackaroni because he was basically the most suspected and had tried to shift the vote off of Oats. I figured worst case scenario we remove the unknown, but I really really wanted to N1 win the game after nailing Oats. Interestingly, this means that scum held their shot or didn't answer the PM, as there was only 1 NK. Or shot Grack also... ?
If that is the case then mafia is definitely Chezinu.
There is no way Palmar shoots Grackaroni after basically commiting himself onto lynching Grackaroni regardless of Oats flip.
Oats only basically tried to muddy the waters with you and Jealous, so that (amongst other things) i think makes you both town.
Both me and Trfel had actual thread presence to change the lynch at any point. Trfel did nothing of that sort, and when there were 3 votes on Oats, i instead decided to make Chezinu commit to his read and told i am gonna vote for Oats most likely. I would not do that as mafia, because for me / Trfel there would have been options to take another route going late D1.
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On May 13 2024 05:27 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2024 05:03 scott31337 wrote:
Well there goes my case.
Jealous anything to report? Not at home so I will break my own self-rule of using only MS Paint but I got vigilante and I killed Grackaroni because he was basically the most suspected and had tried to shift the vote off of Oats. I figured worst case scenario we remove the unknown, but I really really wanted to N1 win the game after nailing Oats. Interestingly, this means that scum held their shot or didn't answer the PM, as there was only 1 NK.
If the player that wins this powerup is Town, they random one of the following:
Jailkeeper (You may roleblock and protect one person from KP. If you are roleblocked, you will not be refunded.)
Cop (You may choose a player to check their alignment. If you are roleblocked, you will not be refunded.)
Vigilante (You may shoot one person. You have only a single shot. If you are roleblocked, you will not be refunded.)
Vengeful Townie (Upon dying you have the opportunity to take revenge. You may designate one person to be shot. They will receive KP during the same phase in which you die.)
If the player that wins this powerup is Mafia, they random one of the following:
Frame (Once this game, you may target a player. The player will appear as the opposite alignment if checked by the cop. You may target yourself. If you are roleblocked, you will not be refunded.)
Mafia Vigilante (You may shoot one person. You have only a single shot. If you are roleblocked, you will not be refunded.)
Vengeful Mafia (Upon dying you have the opportunity to take revenge. You may designate one person to be shot. They will receive KP during the same phase in which you die.)
Roleblocker (Next cycle, the townie's action will be roleblocked. They will not be notified of this.)
To me it makes almost ZERO sense that Jealous got the Mafia Vig role and only made ONE shot and it was Grack. So he's almost confirmed town to me. What Jealous says above makes sense.
I got through more than half of rayn's filter and he's not the lynch for me today.
Jealous is off the table also.
Palmar - he votes Oats at 9:29 EDT - and did not post it in his filter - only the voting thread. He was the second vote on Oats.
Four minutes left -
"On May 12 2024 04:56 Palmar wrote:
No I think I'll stick with Oats, I still really dislike his page 1 filter.
I'll listen to reasoning, but... just doesn't make sense.
Trfel was the first vote on Oats and he really seemed inquisitive on me - which is a good thing.
That leaves Chezinu. He votes for Oats at 14:24 EDT. Only posts in the voting thread. His next message is a copy and paste of Jealous's case 14 minutes later. I may suspect Chezinu knows Oats is toast and tries to look his best. So I'm voting for him.
##Vote Chezinu
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On May 13 2024 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2024 05:39 scott31337 wrote:On May 13 2024 05:27 Jealous wrote:On May 13 2024 05:03 scott31337 wrote:
Well there goes my case.
Jealous anything to report? Not at home so I will break my own self-rule of using only MS Paint but I got vigilante and I killed Grackaroni because he was basically the most suspected and had tried to shift the vote off of Oats. I figured worst case scenario we remove the unknown, but I really really wanted to N1 win the game after nailing Oats. Interestingly, this means that scum held their shot or didn't answer the PM, as there was only 1 NK. Or shot Grack also... ? If that is the case then mafia is definitely Chezinu. There is no way Palmar shoots Grackaroni after basically commiting himself onto lynching Grackaroni regardless of Oats flip. Oats only basically tried to muddy the waters with you and Jealous, so that (amongst other things) i think makes you both town. Both me and Trfel had actual thread presence to change the lynch at any point. Trfel did nothing of that sort, and when there were 3 votes on Oats, i instead decided to make Chezinu commit to his read and told i am gonna vote for Oats most likely. I would not do that as mafia, because for me / Trfel there would have been options to take another route going late D1.
And I had a prewritten case for Grack D2 ready to go and a vote with it. He def could've been the lynch today.
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Now Jealous could've lied, is the mafia - got a non vig role like Framer - used it on himself - and shot Grack and made up the whole vig story. That's a STRETCH, but a possibility.
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On May 13 2024 05:39 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2024 05:27 Jealous wrote:On May 13 2024 05:03 scott31337 wrote:
Well there goes my case.
Jealous anything to report? Not at home so I will break my own self-rule of using only MS Paint but I got vigilante and I killed Grackaroni because he was basically the most suspected and had tried to shift the vote off of Oats. I figured worst case scenario we remove the unknown, but I really really wanted to N1 win the game after nailing Oats. Interestingly, this means that scum held their shot or didn't answer the PM, as there was only 1 NK. Or shot Grack also... ?
Good point, hadn't considered that. Crazy how complicated such a simple situation can be come.
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On May 13 2024 05:56 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2024 05:27 Jealous wrote:On May 13 2024 05:03 scott31337 wrote:
Well there goes my case.
Jealous anything to report? Not at home so I will break my own self-rule of using only MS Paint but I got vigilante and I killed Grackaroni because he was basically the most suspected and had tried to shift the vote off of Oats. I figured worst case scenario we remove the unknown, but I really really wanted to N1 win the game after nailing Oats. Interestingly, this means that scum held their shot or didn't answer the PM, as there was only 1 NK. If the player that wins this powerup is Town, they random one of the following:
Jailkeeper (You may roleblock and protect one person from KP. If you are roleblocked, you will not be refunded.) Cop (You may choose a player to check their alignment. If you are roleblocked, you will not be refunded.) Vigilante (You may shoot one person. You have only a single shot. If you are roleblocked, you will not be refunded.) Vengeful Townie (Upon dying you have the opportunity to take revenge. You may designate one person to be shot. They will receive KP during the same phase in which you die.)
If the player that wins this powerup is Mafia, they random one of the following:
Frame (Once this game, you may target a player. The player will appear as the opposite alignment if checked by the cop. You may target yourself. If you are roleblocked, you will not be refunded.) Mafia Vigilante (You may shoot one person. You have only a single shot. If you are roleblocked, you will not be refunded.) Vengeful Mafia (Upon dying you have the opportunity to take revenge. You may designate one person to be shot. They will receive KP during the same phase in which you die.) Roleblocker (Next cycle, the townie's action will be roleblocked. They will not be notified of this.)
To me it makes almost ZERO sense that Jealous got the Mafia Vig role and only made ONE shot and it was Grack. So he's almost confirmed town to me. What Jealous says above makes sense. I got through more than half of rayn's filter and he's not the lynch for me today. Jealous is off the table also. Palmar - he votes Oats at 9:29 EDT - and did not post it in his filter - only the voting thread. He was the second vote on Oats. Four minutes left - " Show nested quote +On May 12 2024 04:56 Palmar wrote:
No I think I'll stick with Oats, I still really dislike his page 1 filter. I'll listen to reasoning, but... just doesn't make sense. Trfel was the first vote on Oats and he really seemed inquisitive on me - which is a good thing. That leaves Chezinu. He votes for Oats at 14:24 EDT. Only posts in the voting thread. His next message is a copy and paste of Jealous's case 14 minutes later. I may suspect Chezinu knows Oats is toast and tries to look his best. So I'm voting for him. ##Vote Chezinu
FWiW I don't mean to gild the lilly here but you were the first to vote for Oats, took it back, then I was the first vote that stuck on him; it just didn't get counted until later.
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Interesting.
In all honest, I have no idea what that means. It's probably just Chezinu due to process of elimination, but I'm not a big fan of that argument. Gotta think about it.
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Well Trfel let me know when you have some thoughts. I don't want this place to turn into a ghost town. And then it's back to working two jobs on Monday as well for me.
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Can someone do the role analysis and post it so it makes sense. I’m too stupid to figure it out.
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On May 13 2024 08:26 Palmar wrote:
Can someone do the role analysis and post it so it makes sense. I’m too stupid to figure it out.
This is what I was going to write for Scott but I figured it didn't need to be said so I saved it in case someone had a question like yours:
Show nested quote +On May 13 2024 06:07 scott31337 wrote:
Now Jealous could've lied, is the mafia - got a non vig role like Framer - used it on himself - and shot Grack and made up the whole vig story. That's a STRETCH, but a possibility. Again, don't want to gild the lily, but for me to be scum I would have to: 1. Coordinate with Oats so that he would call me out. 2. Be one of the first votes on him and bus him and keep that vote there. 3. Kill one of the most-suspected townies in the game instead of someone less divisive. 4. And do what you said above. Like, yea I guess it's theoretically possible if you think very highly of me, but realistically I think I am objectively the most confirmed town here. Only reason I harp on this is because you brought it up and I think we should focus on exposing scum. To your credit, you did do that with the Chezinu case and so did rayn and there is only 1 scum left so it's not possible for y'all to be in cahoots. But, I guess my question is: if not Chez, then who? I guess Palmar based on earlier posts?
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On May 13 2024 08:26 Palmar wrote:
Can someone do the role analysis and post it so it makes sense. I’m too stupid to figure it out.
Jealous got the power up guaranteed, confirmed by hosts.
1) Jealous is town:
- Jealous shot Grackaroni -> mafia either ALSO shot Grackaroni or didn't shoot
1.1) mafia shot Grackaroni -> noone else really has any reason to shoot Grackaroni than Chezinu
1.2) mafia didn't shoot -> noone has reason to not shoot AFTER Vivax was modkilled, since not shooting there and there not being town vigilante makes MYLO D3 into LYLO D4 (you give town +1 mislynch by not shooting)
Therefore, if Jealous is town, mafia was either afk all night 1 (after Vivax was modkilled), or shot Grackaroni.
2) Jealous is mafia
That's pretty much it.
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Oh yeah, mafia could have also shot Jealous, which means they didn't read the OP.
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I wan a clarification for this. In the OP it says:
After the lynch and with the night post, the host will announce which player received the powerup, but not what powerup they received. They can not be shot that night.
Does that mean a shot on that player is not allowed, or does it mean that player is protected if shot?
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On May 13 2024 08:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2024 08:26 Palmar wrote:
Can someone do the role analysis and post it so it makes sense. I’m too stupid to figure it out. Jealous got the power up guaranteed, confirmed by hosts. 1) Jealous is town: - Jealous shot Grackaroni -> mafia either ALSO shot Grackaroni or didn't shoot 1.1) mafia shot Grackaroni -> noone else really has any reason to shoot Grackaroni than Chezinu 1.2) mafia didn't shoot -> noone has reason to not shoot AFTER Vivax was modkilled, since not shooting there and there not being town vigilante makes MYLO D3 into LYLO D4 (you give town +1 mislynch by not shooting) Therefore, if Jealous is town, mafia was either afk all night 1 (after Vivax was modkilled), or shot Grackaroni. 2) Jealous is mafia That's pretty much it.
That's another theory - they set to shoot Vivax and AFK'ed out and did not update it.
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PS: Sorry Grack. I must have misread you pretty badly.
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On May 13 2024 05:59 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2024 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2024 05:39 scott31337 wrote:On May 13 2024 05:27 Jealous wrote:On May 13 2024 05:03 scott31337 wrote:
Well there goes my case.
Jealous anything to report? Not at home so I will break my own self-rule of using only MS Paint but I got vigilante and I killed Grackaroni because he was basically the most suspected and had tried to shift the vote off of Oats. I figured worst case scenario we remove the unknown, but I really really wanted to N1 win the game after nailing Oats. Interestingly, this means that scum held their shot or didn't answer the PM, as there was only 1 NK. Or shot Grack also... ? If that is the case then mafia is definitely Chezinu. There is no way Palmar shoots Grackaroni after basically commiting himself onto lynching Grackaroni regardless of Oats flip. Oats only basically tried to muddy the waters with you and Jealous, so that (amongst other things) i think makes you both town. Both me and Trfel had actual thread presence to change the lynch at any point. Trfel did nothing of that sort, and when there were 3 votes on Oats, i instead decided to make Chezinu commit to his read and told i am gonna vote for Oats most likely. I would not do that as mafia, because for me / Trfel there would have been options to take another route going late D1. And I had a prewritten case for Grack D2 ready to go and a vote with it. He def could've been the lynch today.
Actually I think it would make sense for you to share this case, just for transparency. You already wrote it, so why not?
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In all honesty I kinda think Jealous is mafia?
I could absolutely be wrong, and I'd feel really stupid for being wrong, but it seems like the most sensible reason for the course of events.
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On May 13 2024 11:05 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2024 05:59 scott31337 wrote:On May 13 2024 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2024 05:39 scott31337 wrote:On May 13 2024 05:27 Jealous wrote:On May 13 2024 05:03 scott31337 wrote:
Well there goes my case.
Jealous anything to report? Not at home so I will break my own self-rule of using only MS Paint but I got vigilante and I killed Grackaroni because he was basically the most suspected and had tried to shift the vote off of Oats. I figured worst case scenario we remove the unknown, but I really really wanted to N1 win the game after nailing Oats. Interestingly, this means that scum held their shot or didn't answer the PM, as there was only 1 NK. Or shot Grack also... ? If that is the case then mafia is definitely Chezinu. There is no way Palmar shoots Grackaroni after basically commiting himself onto lynching Grackaroni regardless of Oats flip. Oats only basically tried to muddy the waters with you and Jealous, so that (amongst other things) i think makes you both town. Both me and Trfel had actual thread presence to change the lynch at any point. Trfel did nothing of that sort, and when there were 3 votes on Oats, i instead decided to make Chezinu commit to his read and told i am gonna vote for Oats most likely. I would not do that as mafia, because for me / Trfel there would have been options to take another route going late D1. And I had a prewritten case for Grack D2 ready to go and a vote with it. He def could've been the lynch today. Actually I think it would make sense for you to share this case, just for transparency. You already wrote it, so why not?
I deleted it after the flip - and my data recovery software isn't finding it either.
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