On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote: Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day?
Unfortunately I don't drink tea, why do you ask?
@DarthPunk sorry I guess I misinterpreted what you were saying, I wasn't trying to misrepresent you. I'll let you do your thing instead of arguing over little nonsense.
Out of character: it is just set up flavour, do not take it too literal, just enjoy the chat engagement. 🥂
On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote: Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day?
It would be an honor for me. I bring some biscuits
I am glad!
It shall be a great time for sure my dear. Such a shame Lord Trfel decided to decline the invitation, there was a delicious cake and macaroons baked in his honor.
On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote: Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day?
Unfortunately I don't drink tea, why do you ask?
@DarthPunk sorry I guess I misinterpreted what you were saying, I wasn't trying to misrepresent you. I'll let you do your thing instead of arguing over little nonsense.
Out of character: it is just set up flavour, do not take it too literal, just enjoy the chat engagement. 🥂
Sure, I won't drink any tea but I can bring some water and see where it leads.
Do not worry darling, all is ok as long is not poison. We do not want a purple wedding.
On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote: Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day?
It would be an honor for me. I bring some biscuits
I am glad!
It shall be a great time for sure my dear. Such a shame Lord Trfel decided to decline the invitation, there was a delicious cake and macaroons baked in his honor.
@trfl How dare you! Who raised such an outrageous generation?
Shhhh, is ok my darling, it seems there was a small missunderstanding.
But you are right, this generation is quite something.
On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote: Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day?
Unfortunately I don't drink tea, why do you ask?
@DarthPunk sorry I guess I misinterpreted what you were saying, I wasn't trying to misrepresent you. I'll let you do your thing instead of arguing over little nonsense.
Out of character: it is just set up flavour, do not take it too literal, just enjoy the chat engagement. 🥂
How was T.h.i.s. important C A K E ?
I have a bitterness not against cake indeed! I shall become foul.
On March 04 2024 15:14 CopCake wrote: 🤭 This is so funny
Cake who would you lynch right now and who would you make mayor right now?
I would lynch you in a heartbeat
- when I arrived you didn't try to engage me until way later (i ignored your question to see how you would react to that and there was like literally not opinion of it when the last game we played we did the opposite) - you are generally a thread control person and you are confident of your reads, here you wait for the opinion of rayn just to tell him later he is wrong and cant read you? With a little bit of bragginess - Now you think Oats is right at reading me suspicious because ??????? He has like no idea how I play.
I also do not think you are trying to solve the game.
On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote: Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day?
Unfortunately I don't drink tea, why do you ask?
@DarthPunk sorry I guess I misinterpreted what you were saying, I wasn't trying to misrepresent you. I'll let you do your thing instead of arguing over little nonsense.
Out of character: it is just set up flavour, do not take it too literal, just enjoy the chat engagement. 🥂
How was T.h.i.s. important C A K E ?
I have a bitterness not against cake indeed! I shall become foul.
On March 04 2024 15:14 CopCake wrote: 🤭 This is so funny
Cake who would you lynch right now and who would you make mayor right now?
I would lynch you in a heartbeat
- when I arrived you didn't try to engage me until way later (i ignored your question to see how you would react to that and there was like literally not opinion of it when the last game we played we did the opposite) - you are generally a thread control person and you are confident of your reads, here you wait for the opinion of rayn just to tell him later he is wrong and cant read you? With a little bit of bragginess - Now you think Oats is right at reading me suspicious because ??????? He has like no idea how I play.
I also do not think you are trying to solve the game.
OK and who would you vote for Mayor?
Why do you ask me that? What conclusions will get from that?
On March 04 2024 15:14 CopCake wrote: 🤭 This is so funny
Cake who would you lynch right now and who would you make mayor right now?
I would lynch you in a heartbeat
- when I arrived you didn't try to engage me until way later (i ignored your question to see how you would react to that and there was like literally not opinion of it when the last game we played we did the opposite) - you are generally a thread control person and you are confident of your reads, here you wait for the opinion of rayn just to tell him later he is wrong and cant read you? With a little bit of bragginess - Now you think Oats is right at reading me suspicious because ??????? He has like no idea how I play.
I also do not think you are trying to solve the game.
OK and who would you vote for Mayor?
Why do you ask me that? What conclusions will get from that?
Because you were obviously not playing the game earlier, and so I was trying to get you engaged in playing in a way that was readable to be honest.
I want you to take some positions, because you have been in the thread, actively avoiding playing the game and I thought it was scummy, but I was hesitant because last game you were scum you were really aggressive.
Now you have ALSO been really aggressive so I want you to tell me your reads so I can try to determine your alignment.
I have been playing the game, in my way, with my town circle. I just added the classy flavour because I like it.
On March 04 2024 15:14 CopCake wrote: 🤭 This is so funny
Cake who would you lynch right now and who would you make mayor right now?
I would lynch you in a heartbeat
- when I arrived you didn't try to engage me until way later (i ignored your question to see how you would react to that and there was like literally not opinion of it when the last game we played we did the opposite) - you are generally a thread control person and you are confident of your reads, here you wait for the opinion of rayn just to tell him later he is wrong and cant read you? With a little bit of bragginess - Now you think Oats is right at reading me suspicious because ??????? He has like no idea how I play.
I also do not think you are trying to solve the game.
Cake why did I have to ask you for a read before you stated all this?
You asked me for reads before and I ignored them, in porpouse.
And I go to office soon and I have a meeting. And a lot of work since I was on vacation. So next time I will post will be in 10 hours or so.
And since I consider you might be mafia trying to hold on the thin - read - of oats to do something against me, I decided to act.
On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote: Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day?
Unfortunately I don't drink tea, why do you ask?
@DarthPunk sorry I guess I misinterpreted what you were saying, I wasn't trying to misrepresent you. I'll let you do your thing instead of arguing over little nonsense.
Out of character: it is just set up flavour, do not take it too literal, just enjoy the chat engagement. 🥂
How was T.h.i.s. important C A K E ?
I have a bitterness not against cake indeed! I shall become foul.
????
What do you mean Mr Darcy?
Nay, I am just Saitama at best
Wickham at worst.
Oh shit that is sooooo bad, I like Mr. Bingley.
Well, Heyoka or whoever does it now was too slow
So I must be Alakaslam
Which is much closer to uncle. . . What was David Balfour's uncle's name?
Or maybe Captian Hoseason.
The uncle is a cool guy, totally fits you 👏🏼🥂 I honestly forgot the name too 🤣 I am a fan of the Keira Knightley movie.
On March 04 2024 15:14 CopCake wrote: 🤭 This is so funny
Cake who would you lynch right now and who would you make mayor right now?
I would lynch you in a heartbeat
- when I arrived you didn't try to engage me until way later (i ignored your question to see how you would react to that and there was like literally not opinion of it when the last game we played we did the opposite) - you are generally a thread control person and you are confident of your reads, here you wait for the opinion of rayn just to tell him later he is wrong and cant read you? With a little bit of bragginess - Now you think Oats is right at reading me suspicious because ??????? He has like no idea how I play.
I also do not think you are trying to solve the game.
OK and who would you vote for Mayor?
Why do you ask me that? What conclusions will get from that?
Just vote your S.O. he is on the right track. So far only wrong on one person and he us clearly distracted at work so, that accounts for that. Oof someone almost got hit by a train by my apartments, that will give you an adrenaline rush lol. They don't usually honk right here.
On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote: Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day?
Unfortunately I don't drink tea, why do you ask?
@DarthPunk sorry I guess I misinterpreted what you were saying, I wasn't trying to misrepresent you. I'll let you do your thing instead of arguing over little nonsense.
Out of character: it is just set up flavour, do not take it too literal, just enjoy the chat engagement. 🥂
How was T.h.i.s. important C A K E ?
I have a bitterness not against cake indeed! I shall become foul.
????
What do you mean Mr Darcy?
Nay, I am just Saitama at best
Wickham at worst.
Oh shit that is sooooo bad, I like Mr. Bingley.
Well, Heyoka or whoever does it now was too slow
So I must be Alakaslam
Which is much closer to uncle. . . What was David Balfour's uncle's name?
Or maybe Captian Hoseason.
The uncle is a cool guy, totally fits you 👏🏼🥂 I honestly forgot the name too 🤣 I am a fan of the Keira Knightley movie.
On March 04 2024 17:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Cake do you think DP's reasoning for calling you mafia last game when you were actually mafia was good?
If I remember correctly, he called me mafia for having TMI for calling you town in a secure way. Which I applaud.
Here, I honestly do not understand or I am pretty stupid.
Anyways, that doesnt change my read on him. He is a strong, secure player. He cares for other people’s opinions like when he was town in the game Slam was mafia.
In the marvvivaxcake game, I was asking many questions, he engaged and answered. He demanded answers.
Here, I ignored him and he did nothing until Oats came and started to talk about me.
As someone who kinda “played” him, I would imagine he would try to figure me out asap. (Played as in I stayed alive and made him second guess TTT)
Thing is, DP is bravado, he has said so before such as “he controls lynches” and stuff like that.
Here, he is too quiet for the exception of calling me wolf.
As I said before, if he was interested in me he would have called me out inmediatly for ignoring him and not just when Oats came. Idk it seems like lazy mafia using “I was right last time”
Am I wrong for getting with this conclusion? This is a general question for everyone, not just Rayn.
Which is much closer to uncle. . . What was David Balfour's uncle's name?
Or maybe Captian Hoseason.
The uncle is a cool guy, totally fits you 👏🏼🥂 I honestly forgot the name too 🤣 I am a fan of the Keira Knightley movie.
Stop avoiding my question.
I am not avoiding?
My towncircle is obs dumb and truffle
Why are they town?
Ok mr. Fakey pretending to solve the game
Why am i mafia or why am i town?
Who is town and who is mafia?
I find your attitude towards DP quite weird. Don’t really know if scummy weird at the moment. But you’re purposefully antagonising the highest volume poster. One who has nailed you as mafia previously. And DP doesnt look scummy. Sure that doesn’t mean he’s not scum, but it means your attitude is off. Why please?
On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote: Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day?
Which she later states is her 'town circle' she has not interacted in a single way with either of these players, and I know from her last mafia game that town reads too early is a mafia tell for cake.
This absolutely qualifies, further if they are town, it is also a blatant pocketing attempt.
On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote: Anyways, that doesnt change my read on him. He is a strong, secure player. He cares for other people’s opinions like when he was town in the game Slam was mafia.
I don't see how that has changed at all in this game compare to the previous games.
In the marvvivaxcake game, I was asking many questions, he engaged and answered. He demanded answers.
Here, I ignored him and he did nothing until Oats came and started to talk about me.
This is just wrong, in this game she was only posting roleplay about a tea party, I asked her a question, she left the thread, I asked slam about her alignment, she came back to the thread and I immediately asked her a follow up question.
On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote: Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day?
Unfortunately I don't drink tea, why do you ask?
@DarthPunk sorry I guess I misinterpreted what you were saying, I wasn't trying to misrepresent you. I'll let you do your thing instead of arguing over little nonsense.
Out of character: it is just set up flavour, do not take it too literal, just enjoy the chat engagement. 🥂
Sure, I won't drink any tea but I can bring some water and see where it leads.
Do not worry darling, all is ok as long is not poison. We do not want a purple wedding.
On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote: Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day?
It would be an honor for me. I bring some biscuits
I am glad!
It shall be a great time for sure my dear. Such a shame Lord Trfel decided to decline the invitation, there was a delicious cake and macaroons baked in his honor.
@trfl How dare you! Who raised such an outrageous generation?
Shhhh, is ok my darling, it seems there was a small missunderstanding.
But you are right, this generation is quite something.
On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote: Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day?
Unfortunately I don't drink tea, why do you ask?
@DarthPunk sorry I guess I misinterpreted what you were saying, I wasn't trying to misrepresent you. I'll let you do your thing instead of arguing over little nonsense.
Out of character: it is just set up flavour, do not take it too literal, just enjoy the chat engagement. 🥂
How was T.h.i.s. important C A K E ?
I have a bitterness not against cake indeed! I shall become foul.
On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote: As someone who kinda “played” him, I would imagine he would try to figure me out asap. (Played as in I stayed alive and made him second guess TTT)
and this which is as inaccurate a statement as you can make, considering I was the person in the thread who most actively tried to determine your alignment
On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote: As I said before, if he was interested in me he would have called me out inmediatly for ignoring him and not just when Oats came. Idk it seems like lazy mafia using “I was right last time”
The fact you entered the thread in the manner in which you did, which is so different to the last game we played together, and then try to apply a meta read to me in about 1-2 hours of playing the game is just wrong.
By the way, none of cakes post explains three good reasons why cake is mafia.
1.) why did she come into the game town reading two other players in her first post, so strongly that she called it a 'town circle'
2.) why has she actively and blatantly avoided taking stances and playing/progressing the game (i couldn't tell you a position she holds right now apart from me being mafia and her few town reads)
3.) she makes meta reads based on completely different and absurd circumstances, strong and confident ones at that.
Tunnel me if you desire but I tend to do this. As town and as mafia.
I tend to be like “Detective Glowing bear will your hold my hand and find mafia together?”
And stuff like “Shockey, if you were a sea animal, what would you be?” For example, shockey said a killer whale which is a beast animal and he was mafia. I think mafia kinda out themselves when asked about random stuff, like if you ask for what they are listening to, they will more likely say something heavier than what they tend to listen usually. You should try this technique sometime.
It is my own way of solving the game, there is a logic to it. I liked dumb a lot for calling you out, it felt natural.
I also liked trfel and I have a mads respect for him after last game, therefore, invited into a “town circle”.
I think the concept here is what you have trouble with. The fact they were invited doesnt mean I cant change my opinion of them which you are assuming.
If Slam told you “yes I have played with cake a lot” does it have some value to you?
On March 04 2024 20:20 DarthPunk wrote: Cake does this post make you question your meta read on me at all?
On February 27 2024 09:24 DarthPunk wrote: Just FYI, I am feeling really burned out after a marathon scum game on MS, so posting will likely be reduced etc, etc.
This was made well before I had a role PM, so you can agree that it is true right?
Can you answer this please.
It holds no value to me. I tend to be happier when I roll town after being mafia, on the opposite if I am mafia and I roll mafia again, I would be very frustrated.
On March 04 2024 20:20 DarthPunk wrote: Cake does this post make you question your meta read on me at all?
On February 27 2024 09:24 DarthPunk wrote: Just FYI, I am feeling really burned out after a marathon scum game on MS, so posting will likely be reduced etc, etc.
This was made well before I had a role PM, so you can agree that it is true right?
Can you answer this please.
It holds no value to me. I tend to be happier when I roll town after being mafia, on the opposite if I am mafia and I roll mafia again, I would be very frustrated.
but it holds value to me right?
Because I was feeling burned out from mafia in general, and I said this before the game started, so you can acknowledge its real to me correct?
Idk, people tend to say stuff before and act complete oposite. Those kind of comments do not have importance to me.
On March 04 2024 17:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Cake do you think DP's reasoning for calling you mafia last game when you were actually mafia was good?
If I remember correctly, he called me mafia for having TMI for calling you town in a secure way. Which I applaud.
Here, I honestly do not understand or I am pretty stupid.
It's the exact same reason. Cakes literal first post of the game is this:
On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote: Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day?
Which she later states is her 'town circle' she has not interacted in a single way with either of these players, and I know from her last mafia game that town reads too early is a mafia tell for cake.
This absolutely qualifies, further if they are town, it is also a blatant pocketing attempt.
On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote: Anyways, that doesnt change my read on him. He is a strong, secure player. He cares for other people’s opinions like when he was town in the game Slam was mafia.
I don't see how that has changed at all in this game compare to the previous games.
On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote:
In the marvvivaxcake game, I was asking many questions, he engaged and answered. He demanded answers.
Here, I ignored him and he did nothing until Oats came and started to talk about me.
This is just wrong, in this game she was only posting roleplay about a tea party, I asked her a question, she left the thread, I asked slam about her alignment, she came back to the thread and I immediately asked her a follow up question.
Here is the progression:
On March 04 2024 14:14 DarthPunk wrote: Any thoughts on alignments cake?
she makes these two troll posts
On March 04 2024 14:14 CopCake wrote:
On March 04 2024 14:08 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 14:01 CopCake wrote:
On March 04 2024 13:58 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote: Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day?
Unfortunately I don't drink tea, why do you ask?
@DarthPunk sorry I guess I misinterpreted what you were saying, I wasn't trying to misrepresent you. I'll let you do your thing instead of arguing over little nonsense.
Out of character: it is just set up flavour, do not take it too literal, just enjoy the chat engagement. 🥂
Sure, I won't drink any tea but I can bring some water and see where it leads.
Do not worry darling, all is ok as long is not poison. We do not want a purple wedding.
On March 04 2024 14:20 CopCake wrote:
On March 04 2024 14:18 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 04 2024 14:13 CopCake wrote:
On March 04 2024 14:05 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote: Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day?
It would be an honor for me. I bring some biscuits
I am glad!
It shall be a great time for sure my dear. Such a shame Lord Trfel decided to decline the invitation, there was a delicious cake and macaroons baked in his honor.
@trfl How dare you! Who raised such an outrageous generation?
Shhhh, is ok my darling, it seems there was a small missunderstanding.
But you are right, this generation is quite something.
I ask slam about her alignment when she is gone
On March 04 2024 15:12 DarthPunk wrote: Slam have you played a lot with cake?
Then she arrives back in the thread with this:
On March 04 2024 15:12 CopCake wrote:
On March 04 2024 14:58 Alakaslam wrote:
On March 04 2024 14:01 CopCake wrote:
On March 04 2024 13:58 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote: Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day?
Unfortunately I don't drink tea, why do you ask?
@DarthPunk sorry I guess I misinterpreted what you were saying, I wasn't trying to misrepresent you. I'll let you do your thing instead of arguing over little nonsense.
Out of character: it is just set up flavour, do not take it too literal, just enjoy the chat engagement. 🥂
How was T.h.i.s. important C A K E ?
I have a bitterness not against cake indeed! I shall become foul.
????
What do you mean Mr Darcy?
On March 04 2024 15:14 CopCake wrote: 🤭 This is so funny
I immediately try to engage with her about the game, and she calls me out as mafia.
then makes the below reads
On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote:
In the marvvivaxcake game, I was asking many questions, he engaged and answered. He demanded answers.
Here, I ignored him and he did nothing until Oats came and started to talk about me.
Which is untrue and also unfair, when she was interacting in the way that she did.
On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote: As someone who kinda “played” him, I would imagine he would try to figure me out asap. (Played as in I stayed alive and made him second guess TTT)
and this which is as inaccurate a statement as you can make, considering I was the person in the thread who most actively tried to determine your alignment
On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote: Thing is, DP is bravado, he has said so before such as “he controls lynches” and stuff like that.
Here, he is too quiet for the exception of calling me wolf.
I literally have the most posts in the game at the point you called me mafia.
On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote: As I said before, if he was interested in me he would have called me out inmediatly for ignoring him and not just when Oats came. Idk it seems like lazy mafia using “I was right last time”
The fact you entered the thread in the manner in which you did, which is so different to the last game we played together, and then try to apply a meta read to me in about 1-2 hours of playing the game is just wrong.
By the way, none of cakes post explains three good reasons why cake is mafia.
1.) why did she come into the game town reading two other players in her first post, so strongly that she called it a 'town circle'
2.) why has she actively and blatantly avoided taking stances and playing/progressing the game (i couldn't tell you a position she holds right now apart from me being mafia and her few town reads)
3.) she makes meta reads based on completely different and absurd circumstances, strong and confident ones at that.
Tunnel me if you desire but I tend to do this. As town and as mafia.
I tend to be like “Detective Glowing bear will your hold my hand and find mafia together?”
And stuff like “Shockey, if you were a sea animal, what would you be?” For example, shockey said a killer whale which is a beast animal and he was mafia. I think mafia kinda out themselves when asked about random stuff, like if you ask for what they are listening to, they will more likely say something heavier than what they tend to listen usually. You should try this technique sometime.
It is my own way of solving the game, there is a logic to it. I liked dumb a lot for calling you out, it felt natural.
I also liked trfel and I have a mads respect for him after last game, therefore, invited into a “town circle”.
I think the concept here is what you have trouble with. The fact they were invited doesnt mean I cant change my opinion of them which you are assuming.
If Slam told you “yes I have played with cake a lot” does it have some value to you?
On March 04 2024 17:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Cake do you think DP's reasoning for calling you mafia last game when you were actually mafia was good?
If I remember correctly, he called me mafia for having TMI for calling you town in a secure way. Which I applaud.
Here, I honestly do not understand or I am pretty stupid.
It's the exact same reason. Cakes literal first post of the game is this:
On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote: Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day?
Which she later states is her 'town circle' she has not interacted in a single way with either of these players, and I know from her last mafia game that town reads too early is a mafia tell for cake.
This absolutely qualifies, further if they are town, it is also a blatant pocketing attempt.
On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote: Anyways, that doesnt change my read on him. He is a strong, secure player. He cares for other people’s opinions like when he was town in the game Slam was mafia.
I don't see how that has changed at all in this game compare to the previous games.
On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote:
In the marvvivaxcake game, I was asking many questions, he engaged and answered. He demanded answers.
Here, I ignored him and he did nothing until Oats came and started to talk about me.
This is just wrong, in this game she was only posting roleplay about a tea party, I asked her a question, she left the thread, I asked slam about her alignment, she came back to the thread and I immediately asked her a follow up question.
Here is the progression:
On March 04 2024 14:14 DarthPunk wrote: Any thoughts on alignments cake?
she makes these two troll posts
On March 04 2024 14:14 CopCake wrote:
On March 04 2024 14:08 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 14:01 CopCake wrote:
On March 04 2024 13:58 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote: Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day?
Unfortunately I don't drink tea, why do you ask?
@DarthPunk sorry I guess I misinterpreted what you were saying, I wasn't trying to misrepresent you. I'll let you do your thing instead of arguing over little nonsense.
Out of character: it is just set up flavour, do not take it too literal, just enjoy the chat engagement. 🥂
Sure, I won't drink any tea but I can bring some water and see where it leads.
Do not worry darling, all is ok as long is not poison. We do not want a purple wedding.
On March 04 2024 14:20 CopCake wrote:
On March 04 2024 14:18 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 04 2024 14:13 CopCake wrote:
On March 04 2024 14:05 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote: Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day?
It would be an honor for me. I bring some biscuits
I am glad!
It shall be a great time for sure my dear. Such a shame Lord Trfel decided to decline the invitation, there was a delicious cake and macaroons baked in his honor.
@trfl How dare you! Who raised such an outrageous generation?
Shhhh, is ok my darling, it seems there was a small missunderstanding.
But you are right, this generation is quite something.
I ask slam about her alignment when she is gone
On March 04 2024 15:12 DarthPunk wrote: Slam have you played a lot with cake?
Then she arrives back in the thread with this:
On March 04 2024 15:12 CopCake wrote:
On March 04 2024 14:58 Alakaslam wrote:
On March 04 2024 14:01 CopCake wrote:
On March 04 2024 13:58 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote: Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day?
Unfortunately I don't drink tea, why do you ask?
@DarthPunk sorry I guess I misinterpreted what you were saying, I wasn't trying to misrepresent you. I'll let you do your thing instead of arguing over little nonsense.
Out of character: it is just set up flavour, do not take it too literal, just enjoy the chat engagement. 🥂
How was T.h.i.s. important C A K E ?
I have a bitterness not against cake indeed! I shall become foul.
????
What do you mean Mr Darcy?
On March 04 2024 15:14 CopCake wrote: 🤭 This is so funny
I immediately try to engage with her about the game, and she calls me out as mafia.
then makes the below reads
On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote:
In the marvvivaxcake game, I was asking many questions, he engaged and answered. He demanded answers.
Here, I ignored him and he did nothing until Oats came and started to talk about me.
Which is untrue and also unfair, when she was interacting in the way that she did.
On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote: As someone who kinda “played” him, I would imagine he would try to figure me out asap. (Played as in I stayed alive and made him second guess TTT)
and this which is as inaccurate a statement as you can make, considering I was the person in the thread who most actively tried to determine your alignment
On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote: Thing is, DP is bravado, he has said so before such as “he controls lynches” and stuff like that.
Here, he is too quiet for the exception of calling me wolf.
I literally have the most posts in the game at the point you called me mafia.
On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote: As I said before, if he was interested in me he would have called me out inmediatly for ignoring him and not just when Oats came. Idk it seems like lazy mafia using “I was right last time”
The fact you entered the thread in the manner in which you did, which is so different to the last game we played together, and then try to apply a meta read to me in about 1-2 hours of playing the game is just wrong.
By the way, none of cakes post explains three good reasons why cake is mafia.
1.) why did she come into the game town reading two other players in her first post, so strongly that she called it a 'town circle'
2.) why has she actively and blatantly avoided taking stances and playing/progressing the game (i couldn't tell you a position she holds right now apart from me being mafia and her few town reads)
3.) she makes meta reads based on completely different and absurd circumstances, strong and confident ones at that.
Tunnel me if you desire but I tend to do this. As town and as mafia.
I tend to be like “Detective Glowing bear will your hold my hand and find mafia together?”
And stuff like “Shockey, if you were a sea animal, what would you be?” For example, shockey said a killer whale which is a beast animal and he was mafia. I think mafia kinda out themselves when asked about random stuff, like if you ask for what they are listening to, they will more likely say something heavier than what they tend to listen usually. You should try this technique sometime.
It is my own way of solving the game, there is a logic to it. I liked dumb a lot for calling you out, it felt natural.
I also liked trfel and I have a mads respect for him after last game, therefore, invited into a “town circle”.
I think the concept here is what you have trouble with. The fact they were invited doesnt mean I cant change my opinion of them which you are assuming.
If Slam told you “yes I have played with cake a lot” does it have some value to you?
What do you think of this DP?
None of that addresses any of why you are mafia.
🤷🏽♀️
You are acting like a totally different person. You like to understand how people make reads on the obvs chat and I gave you big info of my playstyle because I dont plan to play anymore. Maybe once a year or so.
On March 04 2024 23:37 sandroba wrote: I think it's fair for TTT to scum read tfrel at that point in the thread. At the same time the lack of engagement in other matters, or revising the read after more pages is a bit sus
Btw Mz you are wrong but I do not blame you, I think the two times we have played together I have been mafia (unless I am confusing you with someone else, the other one was when rayn/rels/me were a team).
On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote: Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day?
Unfortunately I don't drink tea, why do you ask?
@DarthPunk sorry I guess I misinterpreted what you were saying, I wasn't trying to misrepresent you. I'll let you do your thing instead of arguing over little nonsense.
Any thoughts of dmb/vivax/me/perfection from the past few pages?
I actually like die_meatbaby's point about Vivax, it's interesting to me and makes sense. So I would lean town on her. Vivax I am not sure about, his posting feels carefree so maybe town? It feels like there is a bit of a drive to his posting, despite the slow early game. But this doesn't line up with die_meatbaby's point so I really don't know. I have no idea about you, we just think very differently and I could argue about semantics for ages. Makes it difficult. I haven't read imperfection's filter yet but my first thought is that he is the most likely mafia so far, since he has been present mostly to critique people's thoughts and hasn't seemed to show much interest in finding people's alignments.
What about this is mafia aligned?
First bold quote isn't mafia aligned. Second bold section is textbook mafia, not sure why you are asking this? Being present without actually trying to identify alignments is highly mafia motivated since you are playing for survival instead of solving the game.
I have said you are town, how do you feel about it?
On March 05 2024 01:27 Trfel wrote: Raynpelikoneet, why do you think iamperfection is town?
I kinda think the opposite. He's been throwing side comments without getting involved or invested.
I think he is completely and utterly useless as mafia, and too lazy to form almost any reasonable trains of thoughts. I don't see it being like that here. Just look at the game that got cancelled last year for reference.
Hm, maybe.... I don't really know his meta but his play feels decently scummy here. I guess I can think more about this.
I lost track, what do you think about CopCake?
I read over what DarthPunk was saying, I don't think it holds much water but I also don't really know CopCake's meta so who knows.
- My first post was on page 17 - Ignored DP on page 18 intentionally to see his reaction, there was no reaction. I expected DP to come like CAKE WHY ARE YOU NOT ANSWERING ME, but when Oats started to talk about me, he called him town and started to engage with me after that.
Me ignoring DP intentionally to catch a reaction doesnt make me mafia.
Me doing "town circles" which is like talking with people I find more likely town and interesting in this scenario via being good on another game or have same views as me doesnt make me mafia. Specially I have done this and I find it relaxing, engaging and make the thread not to be too serious or depressive. Besides talking with them can make me change my opinion.
Just the same way me "acting differently" (if you think so) doesn't make me town either. It is more of the porpouse if you think I am actually trying to get information or not for real.
But let´s not talk about me, I want to talk about Slam and how I am mafia when I town read trfel but his scum read scum reads me?????
- My first post was on page 17 - Ignored DP on page 18 intentionally to see his reaction, there was no reaction. I expected DP to come like CAKE WHY ARE YOU NOT ANSWERING ME, but when Oats started to talk about me, he called him town and started to engage with me after that.
Me ignoring DP intentionally to catch a reaction doesnt make me mafia.
Me doing "town circles" which is like talking with people I find more likely town and interesting in this scenario via being good on another game or have same views as me doesnt make me mafia. Specially I have done this and I find it relaxing, engaging and make the thread not to be too serious or depressive. Besides talking with them can make me change my opinion.
Just the same way me "acting differently" (if you think so) doesn't make me town either. It is more of the porpouse if you think I am actually trying to get information or not for real.
But let´s not talk about me, I want to talk about Slam and how I am mafia when I town read trfel but his scum read scum reads me?????
In addition to voting on a day 1 lynch, players will be voting for a Mayor. Prior to the end of day 1, the leading candidates for Mayor should pm me a name of their choosing to be killed alongside the day 1 lynch. If no name is sent in then nobody will be killed. After the election, 3 players will be randomized to become bodyguards. I will PM you if you become a bodyguard. The Mayor will be immune to KP (but still susceptible to lynch) until all town aligned bodyguards are killed.
I think mayor should not kill, right? on the first couple of days I mean.
Also I noticed there is a framer, holy shit, I have to step up my game because LOL, I would have loved to have beeeeennnn mafia in this game, so much beautifulness I could have done with a role like that in my teaaammmmmmm.
- My first post was on page 17 - Ignored DP on page 18 intentionally to see his reaction, there was no reaction. I expected DP to come like CAKE WHY ARE YOU NOT ANSWERING ME, but when Oats started to talk about me, he called him town and started to engage with me after that.
Me ignoring DP intentionally to catch a reaction doesnt make me mafia.
Me doing "town circles" which is like talking with people I find more likely town and interesting in this scenario via being good on another game or have same views as me doesnt make me mafia. Specially I have done this and I find it relaxing, engaging and make the thread not to be too serious or depressive. Besides talking with them can make me change my opinion.
Just the same way me "acting differently" (if you think so) doesn't make me town either. It is more of the porpouse if you think I am actually trying to get information or not for real.
But let´s not talk about me, I want to talk about Slam and how I am mafia when I town read trfel but his scum read scum reads me?????
When did I call you mafia?
You agreed with DPs post of calling me mafia.
So I concluded you believed that.
Good points =/= total agreement but I suspected him less and you more, that much is true
I unvoted you just because of your freedom of speech
On March 04 2024 13:54 iamperfection wrote: make sure you answer that dp im going to bed. I dont want to be mayor by the way i dont want to be in the game that long.
I’ll answer in about 5 min if you can stay up, but basically the hyper-suspiciousness with pairing me and vivax and also the tone of her walls reminds me of her town play.
From a quick glance at your filter I don't think you elaborated on this. I don't understand why it makes DMB town?
Also, I just re read Tfrel´s last game because I felt this time it was missing "I am sorry´s" but he did say so in this game also. So, no. Tfrel is town. A very capable, smart, player that should not be downplayed.
What is odd about him?
He "feels" different? Because comparing both games it is pretty much the same.
On March 05 2024 02:53 CopCake wrote: Call me town or call me mafia, not "null".
Also, I just re read Tfrel´s last game because I felt this time it was missing "I am sorry´s" but he did say so in this game also. So, no. Tfrel is town. A very capable, smart, player that should not be downplayed.
What is odd about him?
He "feels" different? Because comparing both games it is pretty much the same.
On March 05 2024 03:28 Vivax wrote: I'm bothered by rayn's reaction here tbh
I dont know if it is relevant but he was laughing hard in the other room.
that makes him look scum. I loved beeing mafia in the last game because doing random shit like offering my life for HF who claimed blue and provoke other Townies is fun as hell. As Town I take it way more seriously. But maybe thats just me
rayn loves to be more town than mafia.
He has rolled mafia so many times that he is tired of that.
I also prefer more mafia than town unless I get to be mafia three times in a row or so.
On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote: So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at. Going to hedge on sandro. VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples.
Nah, if you are against Tfrel you have to cross over me.
On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote: So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at. Going to hedge on sandro. VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples.
Nah, if you are against Tfrel you have to cross over me.
No one touches him.
Ok, tell me who I should look into then and I'll tell you if I agree.
mz ve, maybe a no posting person like palmar or hapa
On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote: So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at. Going to hedge on sandro. VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples.
Nah, if you are against Tfrel you have to cross over me.
No one touches him.
Ok, tell me who I should look into then and I'll tell you if I agree.
mz ve, maybe a no posting person like palmar or hapa
how can you look into a person who has posted nothing?
there are things like
"this guy when he gets mafia just peace out" and stuff like that.
On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote: So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at. Going to hedge on sandro. VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples.
Nah, if you are against Tfrel you have to cross over me.
No one touches him.
Ok, tell me who I should look into then and I'll tell you if I agree.
mz ve, maybe a no posting person like palmar or hapa
how can you look into a person who has posted nothing?
there are things like
"this guy when he gets mafia just peace out" and stuff like that.
I remember someone from here doing that.
Yeah but not them. Palmar likes to scum with marv in the game.
Like this is relevant info idk, that is why I asked.
On March 05 2024 02:32 iamperfection wrote: I'm inclined to think vivax has to be town. No scum claims like that. I strongly oppose any effort to make him mayor. He already has shown he willing to throw as town we aren't giving him power.
I’m inclined to agree
I disagree for what it is worth. The guy who gets lynched as blue regulary now claims it to be mayor.
Press x for doubt
He didn't have any real pressure on him though
Does this not strengthen Koshi's point?
No how so.
Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax?
This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor.
If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor.
Where is my comprehension/logic problem?
He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta
Thank you, at least someone gets it.
How is this useful on the first day, tho?
I can understand third day but first?
Town loses everything, and an important role, I dont want to sound mean but you fucked up in such a way that there are no words and I didnt find it funny.
Like I am TOTALLY opposed of a mayor wanting to kill, like that is stupid, no matter how "capable" the player is, how "blue" is. It is a shot in the dark pretty much, and that helps mafia.
If there is a mayor, and the mayor kills on first and second day, I will pretty much never consider that person town.
Unless a rolecop have a check or something mechanical supports a person is mafia.
On March 05 2024 04:14 sandroba wrote: Last game I read koshi's post and got townie vibes d1 pretty soon. Not so in this game. The aim of his posts doesn't feel pro town here. Hmmmm
I havent posted yet
I hope you become active soon. I know you as a lazy mafia and a very active townie. right now you look scummy to me
On March 05 2024 02:33 marvellosity wrote: [quote] I’m inclined to agree
I disagree for what it is worth. The guy who gets lynched as blue regulary now claims it to be mayor.
Press x for doubt
He didn't have any real pressure on him though
Does this not strengthen Koshi's point?
No how so.
Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax?
This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor.
If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor.
Where is my comprehension/logic problem?
He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta
Thank you, at least someone gets it.
How is this useful on the first day, tho?
I can understand third day but first?
Town loses everything, and an important role, I dont want to sound mean but you fucked up in such a way that there are no words and I didnt find it funny.
Like I am TOTALLY opposed of a mayor wanting to kill, like that is stupid, no matter how "capable" the player is, how "blue" is. It is a shot in the dark pretty much, and that helps mafia.
If there is a mayor, and the mayor kills on first and second day, I will pretty much never consider that person town.
Unless a rolecop have a check or something mechanical supports a person is mafia.
Why wouldn't a mayor not just treat it as a vig shot I don't understand?
I think day vig shots are stupid, there is more chance of hiting town than mafia.
On March 05 2024 04:05 Koshi wrote: [quote] I disagree for what it is worth. The guy who gets lynched as blue regulary now claims it to be mayor.
Press x for doubt
He didn't have any real pressure on him though
Does this not strengthen Koshi's point?
No how so.
Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax?
This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor.
If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor.
Where is my comprehension/logic problem?
He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta
Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town?
Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town.
Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process.
No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor.
They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection.
It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain.
If there is a roleblocker, which it seems you are pretty sure there is.
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.
You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.
If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.
Second wagon is often a townie as well. Mafia waits till town suggest a second town wagon and then sits on those 2 wagons. Then town vigis or kills second wagon as is tradition. I still think it is protown to want to give town 2 lynches, as it always provides information. But don't use the wrong reasons.
On March 05 2024 04:06 iamperfection wrote: [quote] He didn't have any real pressure on him though
Does this not strengthen Koshi's point?
No how so.
Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax?
This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor.
If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor.
Where is my comprehension/logic problem?
He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta
Thank you, at least someone gets it.
How is this useful on the first day, tho?
I can understand third day but first?
Town loses everything, and an important role, I dont want to sound mean but you fucked up in such a way that there are no words and I didnt find it funny.
Like I am TOTALLY opposed of a mayor wanting to kill, like that is stupid, no matter how "capable" the player is, how "blue" is. It is a shot in the dark pretty much, and that helps mafia.
If there is a mayor, and the mayor kills on first and second day, I will pretty much never consider that person town.
Unless a rolecop have a check or something mechanical supports a person is mafia.
Why wouldn't a mayor not just treat it as a vig shot I don't understand?
I think day vig shots are stupid, there is more chance of hiting town than mafia.
Day vig is a really strong town role lmao what kinda take is this??
I have seen this developing very bad, town killing town with guns.
On March 04 2024 14:55 ToTheStars wrote: I also have a weak townlean on DP and Vivax
You guys are so slow with your day starts though, how can you make 0 votes in first 3 pages.
On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote: I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
You are very confident you are going to survive late.
On March 05 2024 05:14 die_meatbaby wrote: @copcake my tea is getting cold and I ate already a lot of the hand baked biscuits.I am waiting for you to tell me the real tea about you that I should know. I hope I didn't bake this exquisite pastry for the wrong person.
I consider your beloved Duke smart, and also, insane enough to pull the "I am going to claim JK" as mafia. It is a hard, hard thing to do, but he is absolutely capable, specially if he has a good team to back him.
I will invite you to make an exercise, take all the time you need to answer.
Forget that it is vivax who claimed, just that X person claimed JK in this game.
What are the benefits he wins doing this as town and benefits he wins by doing this as mafia?
Do not let your emotions for vivax to blurry this exercise, just a cold head, thinking of scenarios.
On March 05 2024 05:27 DarthPunk wrote: I tend to like the town circle for now.
The only one I’m really afraid of being mafia in that lot is Rayn
I think mz looked wayyyy better recently so I’m moving him to town for now.
Cake still looks bad.
Koshi looks townie to me. He has that level of arrogance that I felt was missing in his mafia game. I also sensed he was genuinely butthurt at not being in the town circle which I found hilarious but also townie.
Rels makes sense, he is wayyyy less aggressive than I remember but that is old old meta.
On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote: [quote]May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.
You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.
If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.
There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works.
The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia.
I don't like it at all.
I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly.
Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing?
Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team.
If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players.
On March 05 2024 05:14 die_meatbaby wrote: @copcake my tea is getting cold and I ate already a lot of the hand baked biscuits.I am waiting for you to tell me the real tea about you that I should know. I hope I didn't bake this exquisite pastry for the wrong person.
I consider your beloved Duke smart, and also, insane enough to pull the "I am going to claim JK" as mafia. It is a hard, hard thing to do, but he is absolutely capable, specially if he has a good team to back him.
I will invite you to make an exercise, take all the time you need to answer.
Forget that it is vivax who claimed, just that X person claimed JK in this game.
What are the benefits he wins doing this as town and benefits he wins by doing this as mafia?
Do not let your emotions for vivax to blurry this exercise, just a cold head, thinking of scenarios.
Thank you for this honorable invitation. It would be a pleasure to do some relaxation exercises with you. How about puppy and wine yoga?
I understand that a horribole red colerd person could to that to our lovley Town but I could not see Vivax doeing that, because this is not how this duke treats our city. He would not be able to do such a terrible thing in such bad times as these.But you have to understand that even if he hasn't been to the doctor, he still shows a healthy kind of paranoia through this action. That only makes him even more sympathetic to our city
I don't want to blame you or scare you, but what good things you have done for our divine city. I didn't even get a hand-knitted jacket, even though everyone knows how good you are with red wool
The fact that red looks fantastic of me gives me a better perspective of how other people would look with the same color. As I said before, it suits me, and I love it.
I can think of many scenarios of how a play like that is more beneficial for mafia than town, but that is my perspective (which can be wrong, I am not closed), still what the duke did is quite stupid if town. You cannot deny that.
And I think it is quite a town trait to share all the probabilities, and do not keep them to myself.
On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote: [quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.
You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.
If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.
There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works.
The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia.
I don't like it at all.
I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly.
Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing?
Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team.
If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players.
I can add a third, I thought those Trfel posts were bad too. If I remember right, it was his first posts too, it looked like scum hiding between technicality/setup discussion to participate.
I liked his posts going forward though, I think he's town now
This is good
I remember Tfrel apologizing a lot and saying "I am sorry" many times when he is town.
I was trying to look for a scum game of him here but I couldnt, would be helpful if someone can link me.
On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote: [quote]I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.
You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.
If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.
There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works.
The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia.
I don't like it at all.
I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly.
Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing?
Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team.
If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players.
I can add a third, I thought those Trfel posts were bad too. If I remember right, it was his first posts too, it looked like scum hiding between technicality/setup discussion to participate.
I liked his posts going forward though, I think he's town now
This is good
I remember Tfrel apologizing a lot and saying "I am sorry" many times when he is town.
I was trying to look for a scum game of him here but I couldnt, would be helpful if someone can link me.
On March 05 2024 05:14 die_meatbaby wrote: @copcake my tea is getting cold and I ate already a lot of the hand baked biscuits.I am waiting for you to tell me the real tea about you that I should know. I hope I didn't bake this exquisite pastry for the wrong person.
I consider your beloved Duke smart, and also, insane enough to pull the "I am going to claim JK" as mafia. It is a hard, hard thing to do, but he is absolutely capable, specially if he has a good team to back him.
I will invite you to make an exercise, take all the time you need to answer.
Forget that it is vivax who claimed, just that X person claimed JK in this game.
What are the benefits he wins doing this as town and benefits he wins by doing this as mafia?
Do not let your emotions for vivax to blurry this exercise, just a cold head, thinking of scenarios.
Thank you for this honorable invitation. It would be a pleasure to do some relaxation exercises with you. How about puppy and wine yoga?
I understand that a horribole red colerd person could to that to our lovley Town but I could not see Vivax doeing that, because this is not how this duke treats our city. He would not be able to do such a terrible thing in such bad times as these.But you have to understand that even if he hasn't been to the doctor, he still shows a healthy kind of paranoia through this action. That only makes him even more sympathetic to our city
I don't want to blame you or scare you, but what good things you have done for our divine city. I didn't even get a hand-knitted jacket, even though everyone knows how good you are with red wool
The fact that red looks fantastic of me gives me a better perspective of how other people would look with the same color. As I said before, it suits me, and I love it.
I can think of many scenarios of how a play like that is more beneficial for mafia than town, but that is my perspective (which can be wrong, I am not closed), still what the duke did is quite stupid if town. You cannot deny that.
And I think it is quite a town trait to share all the probabilities, and do not keep them to myself.
You already said it. It is too stupid to that as mafia. We would reread our letter before giving it to the pigeon to show the world our words. Looked too conspicuous to let it see some other trusted members. As a good duke without a guilty conscience you don´t fear looking bad because you know you aren´t even if he claimed wrong he is still a better citizen of this city than most of the other inhabitants
I understand your point of view, but consider also mine. It was stupid, so stupid that is perfect as mafia.
Who is stupid enough to do that as mafia?
It is just a small chance.
Tiny.
This concept shouldnt make me mafia. But Marv is right, was it he or iamp? talking too much about it is not helpful, is like going in circles.
On March 05 2024 05:52 DarthPunk wrote: Copcake why are you not voting for me?
Because I am town and gave you fresh air. I am not closed on you, my read evolve according to what is happening.
If you are just painfully bad at reading me and tbh downgrading my game doesn't make you mafia, just a bad player at reading me.
What made your read evolve specifically and in what way has it evolved?
And I literally caught you as mafia day one in the only game we played together so not sure how you can seriously think that I am bad at reading you.
You are bad, because you got convinced otherwise. Because I made you doubt TTT, because I got my team three days without town getting us, without no lynch. We could have gone a 4th but we concede.
So do not think you are an expert of reading me, if you were a top tier player you could have gotten me, marv and vivax that game.
But you didnt.
Your soft sissy read on me that you got first of me is not enough to call you a "cake expert". Get off your high horse, wear town shoes and try to solve the game.
On March 05 2024 05:52 DarthPunk wrote: Copcake why are you not voting for me?
Because I am town and gave you fresh air. I am not closed on you, my read evolve according to what is happening.
If you are just painfully bad at reading me and tbh downgrading my game doesn't make you mafia, just a bad player at reading me.
What made your read evolve specifically and in what way has it evolved?
And I literally caught you as mafia day one in the only game we played together so not sure how you can seriously think that I am bad at reading you.
You are bad, because you got convinced otherwise. Because I made you doubt TTT, because I got my team three days without town getting us, without no lynch. We could have gone a 4th but we concede.
So do not think you are an expert of reading me, if you were a top tier player you could have gotten me, marv and vivax that game.
But you didnt.
Your soft sissy read on me that you got first of me is not enough to call you a "cake expert". Get off your high horse, wear town shoes and try to solve the game.
No I just got you and Marv that’s true.
And I only didn’t get you because Rayn hard defended you.
A good player wouldnt have let that interfere.
And that doesnt change the fact I made you doubt TTT.
On March 05 2024 05:52 DarthPunk wrote: Copcake why are you not voting for me?
Because I am town and gave you fresh air. I am not closed on you, my read evolve according to what is happening.
If you are just painfully bad at reading me and tbh downgrading my game doesn't make you mafia, just a bad player at reading me.
What made your read evolve specifically and in what way has it evolved?
And I literally caught you as mafia day one in the only game we played together so not sure how you can seriously think that I am bad at reading you.
You are bad, because you got convinced otherwise. Because I made you doubt TTT, because I got my team three days without town getting us, without no lynch. We could have gone a 4th but we concede.
So do not think you are an expert of reading me, if you were a top tier player you could have gotten me, marv and vivax that game.
But you didnt.
Your soft sissy read on me that you got first of me is not enough to call you a "cake expert". Get off your high horse, wear town shoes and try to solve the game.
Can you answer the question you quoted and then didn’t answer.
I took distance, and look somewhere else, giving you benefit of the doubt. Specially with all the stupid JK thing.
And my approach to you wasn't even aggressive, I even shared a bit of what I think and how I work. I even expected nice feedback but "Lol, cake is mafia hur hur hur"
So, even with that, I decided to let you go because it is not beneficial to town to start another cake vs dp war.
If you want to continue and go on a crussade against me is your prerogative but I am town this game.
On March 05 2024 06:05 CopCake wrote: Btw, this is a post SPECIAL FOR KOSHI
I like how you call out the bro gay whisperer shit out but I think marv is town. Just because how he approached me to think to not go insane with DP.
sorry to interupt the conversation between you and Sir Koshi, but does that mean you drinking tea with marv instead of me? I don´t like that how you betraid me so early in the game. I am sad about such a lose of friend
this is starting to sound like a Bluey episode with these two...
On March 05 2024 05:52 DarthPunk wrote: Copcake why are you not voting for me?
Because I am town and gave you fresh air. I am not closed on you, my read evolve according to what is happening.
If you are just painfully bad at reading me and tbh downgrading my game doesn't make you mafia, just a bad player at reading me.
What made your read evolve specifically and in what way has it evolved?
And I literally caught you as mafia day one in the only game we played together so not sure how you can seriously think that I am bad at reading you.
You are bad, because you got convinced otherwise. Because I made you doubt TTT, because I got my team three days without town getting us, without no lynch. We could have gone a 4th but we concede.
So do not think you are an expert of reading me, if you were a top tier player you could have gotten me, marv and vivax that game.
But you didnt.
Your soft sissy read on me that you got first of me is not enough to call you a "cake expert". Get off your high horse, wear town shoes and try to solve the game.
Can you answer the question you quoted and then didn’t answer.
I took distance, and look somewhere else, giving you benefit of the doubt. Specially with all the stupid JK thing.
[And my approach to you wasn't even aggressive, I even shared a bit of what I think and how I work. I even expected nice feedback but "Lol, cake is mafia hur hur hur"
So, even with that, I decided to let you go because it is not beneficial to town to start another cake vs dp war.
If you want to continue and go on a crussade against me is your prerogative but I am town this game.
GLHF.
So what do you think my alignment is now?
Tbh, I dont give a fuck. You refuse to cooperate with me, asking me the same questions over and over without getting a conclusion.
I will deal with you later IF i am alive next day.
Me and DP do not get a long, probably MAYBE after I am dead or the game ends and see I am town he will open up to my style. (this has nothing to do with you as a person, maybe style clash, lack of information from your part, etc)
On March 05 2024 06:23 Palmar wrote: I really, really, really despise the fact that I can't just click "All" and "ctrl+f palmar" because you assholes spammed this game into oblivion. I really am mostly interested in people talking about me.
there is no talking about you because you didnt post.
On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote: So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at. Going to hedge on sandro. VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples.
Nah, if you are against Tfrel you have to cross over me.
No one touches him.
Ok, tell me who I should look into then and I'll tell you if I agree.
mz ve, maybe a no posting person like palmar or hapa
On March 05 2024 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: So VE posted a bunch of nothing...
What are you expecting rayn? I think most everyone who's posted looks good, most everyone who hasn't looks bad, and you know who I'd kill as mayor, but not who I'd vote to lynch. I'm not going to try and push a lurker lynch because that's fucking stupid as fuck, so I'm going to wait and see what lynch targets emerge. Right now I'm one of them, and I know I'm town, so if it comes to it I'd probably lynch the other guy but otherwise, I'll vote who I think looks worse of the candidates D1.
ERMAGERD AND YOU NEEDED ALL THAT SPELLED OUT RIGHT?!
Rayn isn't usually this dense, must be mafia.
SEE HAO FUCKING STUPID THAT SOUNDS RAYN!?!?!??
I don't know why you feel the need to be this angry towards me as i am just pointing out you posted no substance, which you did.
But it makes me look bad and might convince people to vote me and then I actually WOULD have to put in effort on D1, which is why I'm angry.
I dont think you being angry should convince anyone to vote for you. Just the fact you're avoiding to play the game.
I'm playing. I have reads. But none of them are meaningful and are subject to change with further information. None of my reads are based on anything that would convince anyone of anything, so I'm just not sharing them. I've told you how I'm going to vote today, because that's true. I'll maybe share my less meaningful reads later by way of explaining reads that are backed up with facts and info. But there's no point in sharing them now because no one really cares who I think is mafia. They only care if I'm mafia, and this game I'm not.
On March 05 2024 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: So VE posted a bunch of nothing...
What are you expecting rayn? I think most everyone who's posted looks good, most everyone who hasn't looks bad, and you know who I'd kill as mayor, but not who I'd vote to lynch. I'm not going to try and push a lurker lynch because that's fucking stupid as fuck, so I'm going to wait and see what lynch targets emerge. Right now I'm one of them, and I know I'm town, so if it comes to it I'd probably lynch the other guy but otherwise, I'll vote who I think looks worse of the candidates D1.
ERMAGERD AND YOU NEEDED ALL THAT SPELLED OUT RIGHT?!
Rayn isn't usually this dense, must be mafia.
SEE HAO FUCKING STUPID THAT SOUNDS RAYN!?!?!??
I don't know why you feel the need to be this angry towards me as i am just pointing out you posted no substance, which you did.
But it makes me look bad and might convince people to vote me and then I actually WOULD have to put in effort on D1, which is why I'm angry.
I dont think you being angry should convince anyone to vote for you. Just the fact you're avoiding to play the game.
I'm playing. I have reads. But none of them are meaningful and are subject to change with further information. None of my reads are based on anything that would convince anyone of anything, so I'm just not sharing them. I've told you how I'm going to vote today, because that's true. I'll maybe share my less meaningful reads later by way of explaining reads that are backed up with facts and info. But there's no point in sharing them now because no one really cares who I think is mafia. They only care if I'm mafia, and this game I'm not.
I am not mean to you
Not sure where it says Cake is mean to me in the post you quoted could you highlight it?
I have tried to engage with you and this is the first time you answered me, has nothing to do with your post.
On March 05 2024 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: So VE posted a bunch of nothing...
What are you expecting rayn? I think most everyone who's posted looks good, most everyone who hasn't looks bad, and you know who I'd kill as mayor, but not who I'd vote to lynch. I'm not going to try and push a lurker lynch because that's fucking stupid as fuck, so I'm going to wait and see what lynch targets emerge. Right now I'm one of them, and I know I'm town, so if it comes to it I'd probably lynch the other guy but otherwise, I'll vote who I think looks worse of the candidates D1.
ERMAGERD AND YOU NEEDED ALL THAT SPELLED OUT RIGHT?!
Rayn isn't usually this dense, must be mafia.
SEE HAO FUCKING STUPID THAT SOUNDS RAYN!?!?!??
I don't know why you feel the need to be this angry towards me as i am just pointing out you posted no substance, which you did.
But it makes me look bad and might convince people to vote me and then I actually WOULD have to put in effort on D1, which is why I'm angry.
I dont think you being angry should convince anyone to vote for you. Just the fact you're avoiding to play the game.
I'm playing. I have reads. But none of them are meaningful and are subject to change with further information. None of my reads are based on anything that would convince anyone of anything, so I'm just not sharing them. I've told you how I'm going to vote today, because that's true. I'll maybe share my less meaningful reads later by way of explaining reads that are backed up with facts and info. But there's no point in sharing them now because no one really cares who I think is mafia. They only care if I'm mafia, and this game I'm not.
I am not mean to you
Not sure where it says Cake is mean to me in the post you quoted could you highlight it?
I have tried to engage with you and this is the first time you answered me, has nothing to do with your post.
No I just miss it because this thread is crazy right now what's up?
Tell me two mafia, two town and two stupid people.
On March 05 2024 06:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] I don't know why you feel the need to be this angry towards me as i am just pointing out you posted no substance, which you did.
But it makes me look bad and might convince people to vote me and then I actually WOULD have to put in effort on D1, which is why I'm angry.
I dont think you being angry should convince anyone to vote for you. Just the fact you're avoiding to play the game.
I'm playing. I have reads. But none of them are meaningful and are subject to change with further information. None of my reads are based on anything that would convince anyone of anything, so I'm just not sharing them. I've told you how I'm going to vote today, because that's true. I'll maybe share my less meaningful reads later by way of explaining reads that are backed up with facts and info. But there's no point in sharing them now because no one really cares who I think is mafia. They only care if I'm mafia, and this game I'm not.
I am not mean to you
Not sure where it says Cake is mean to me in the post you quoted could you highlight it?
I have tried to engage with you and this is the first time you answered me, has nothing to do with your post.
No I just miss it because this thread is crazy right now what's up?
Tell me two mafia, two town and two stupid people.
That sounds suspiciously like making me give reads which is like the same thing rayn was just doing!
I just want to know where your head is before I sleep.
On March 05 2024 07:34 Vivax wrote: Maybe rayn has a godread on mafia copcake and is just whiteknighting her. Mind you, that's not something that would particularly bother me but it could explain his suboptimal decision making.
Rayn is not like this, Rayn LITERALLY has throwed me when he catches me mafia.
On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote: Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia?
Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that.
How is he getting more power?
He is just immune to night kill, if he was getting a double vote for the rest of the game that is a different story.
Having our jailkeeper with night kill immunity is really fucking powerful, at worst it soaks a rb for the rest of the game, at best it is just literally broken.
It puts mafia in all sorts of uncomfortable positions where they are fucked if the RB gets lynched or shot.
The vig shot or whatever can be negotiated, but I don't think vivax is bad as town regardless, and he is basically confirmed town.
Why would I roll the dice on anyone who is NOT confirmed town.
Rayn, marv and sandro are NOT confirmed town.
Lets be real here for a second. Vivax is also not confirmed town.
Idk who you are, but you won my heart with this post.
On March 05 2024 09:36 Koshi wrote: 6) Trfel 8) Jealous 10) Palmar 15) Hapahauli 18) ToTheStars
Those are all good options to shoot or lynch into.
Personally I need to work out 1) raynpelikoneet 20) Rels
People like JLS, MZ, CC, Mebaby are not lynchable today imo
I would kinda agree minus Trfel, for all the discussion on him nothing has really stuck for me. Could be information overload though. I think it'll be easier when there's less people in the thread. I like DMB not so sure on CC and MZ but probably not much point on an early lynch on mz (could lynch cop but they're active enough if they are scum it'll be revealed more later. I'm also thinking we don't lynch VE as it is true VE always dies early as town so.
On March 05 2024 01:27 Trfel wrote: Raynpelikoneet, why do you think iamperfection is town?
I kinda think the opposite. He's been throwing side comments without getting involved or invested.
I think he is completely and utterly useless as mafia, and too lazy to form almost any reasonable trains of thoughts. I don't see it being like that here. Just look at the game that got cancelled last year for reference.
Hm, maybe.... I don't really know his meta but his play feels decently scummy here. I guess I can think more about this.
I lost track, what do you think about CopCake?
I read over what DarthPunk was saying, I don't think it holds much water but I also don't really know CopCake's meta so who knows.
Why are you implying my cake read was a meta case when it wasn't.
On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote: [quote]May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor
I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it
Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP
If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right
If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard
Does the rest of his play change anything?
No, what do you think of him?
I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better
This is a great post.
##vote: Oats
Not to make associations early but this would imply oats and CC are mafia together right? If so what's stronger the initial case that Cake is the mafia and oats is defending her or Oats being mafia and just flip flopping for no reason?
Still think it would make more sense from your perpsective to be voting cake.
In addition to voting on a day 1 lynch, players will be voting for a Mayor. Prior to the end of day 1, the leading candidates for Mayor should pm me a name of their choosing to be killed alongside the day 1 lynch. If no name is sent in then nobody will be killed. After the election, 3 players will be randomized to become bodyguards. I will PM you if you become a bodyguard. The Mayor will be immune to KP (but still susceptible to lynch) until all town aligned bodyguards are killed.
I think mayor should not kill, right? on the first couple of days I mean.
Also I noticed there is a framer, holy shit, I have to step up my game because LOL, I would have loved to have beeeeennnn mafia in this game, so much beautifulness I could have done with a role like that in my teaaammmmmmm.
I absolutely hate this post, cake we have no idea if that role exists and it just seems like you're feeling a bit of pressure so you're already worrying about a potential red check.
Like nobody has discussed the possibility of a framer at all up until this point and you bring it up out of the blue.
I was checking how the mayor works 🤷🏽♀️ and saw that.
On March 05 2024 10:09 JacobStrangelove wrote: Hmm I guess parking vote on TTS for now.
##Vote: ToTheStars
Dude you think I am mafia and you are literally voting for the same person I am lynching?
Please stop blending in peoples opinions about me and get to your own conclusions.
You are also another person out of character. The first game i read from you, you were funny. Here you are acting as if you were walking on toes trying not to make a sound.
On March 05 2024 12:23 Vivax wrote: I think JS towned it up here anyways. The little addition to his list when he forgot to include Palmar looked genuine.
Dude has me as scum and is voting for the same person, his top scum read is voting.
On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote: Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia?
Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that.
How is he getting more power?
He is just immune to night kill, if he was getting a double vote for the rest of the game that is a different story.
Having our jailkeeper with night kill immunity is really fucking powerful, at worst it soaks a rb for the rest of the game, at best it is just literally broken.
It puts mafia in all sorts of uncomfortable positions where they are fucked if the RB gets lynched or shot.
The vig shot or whatever can be negotiated, but I don't think vivax is bad as town regardless, and he is basically confirmed town.
Why would I roll the dice on anyone who is NOT confirmed town.
Rayn, marv and sandro are NOT confirmed town.
Lets be real here for a second. Vivax is also not confirmed town.
Idk who you are, but you won my heart with this post.
Do you think he is mafia?
No, I stopped to think you were but apparently you cant help but talk about me all the time. How dissapointing.
I expect town DP being able to focus on something else and be more level headed. You are just blending, not being bravado.
On March 05 2024 01:27 Trfel wrote: Raynpelikoneet, why do you think iamperfection is town?
I kinda think the opposite. He's been throwing side comments without getting involved or invested.
I think he is completely and utterly useless as mafia, and too lazy to form almost any reasonable trains of thoughts. I don't see it being like that here. Just look at the game that got cancelled last year for reference.
Hm, maybe.... I don't really know his meta but his play feels decently scummy here. I guess I can think more about this.
I lost track, what do you think about CopCake?
I read over what DarthPunk was saying, I don't think it holds much water but I also don't really know CopCake's meta so who knows.
Why are you implying my cake read was a meta case when it wasn't.
This said the Cop case def wasn't meta.
On March 05 2024 09:51 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:
On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:
On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote: [quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor
I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it
Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP
If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right
If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard
Does the rest of his play change anything?
No, what do you think of him?
I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better
This is a great post.
##vote: Oats
Not to make associations early but this would imply oats and CC are mafia together right? If so what's stronger the initial case that Cake is the mafia and oats is defending her or Oats being mafia and just flip flopping for no reason?
Still think it would make more sense from your perpsective to be voting cake.
Dude, make a case on me.
To be fair, he has my case.
Could you answer my question on rayn cake?
I am being very reasonable and giving you space to do stuff, so please tell me what you think of him.
I think I answered this two times and I was catching up.
On March 05 2024 01:27 Trfel wrote: Raynpelikoneet, why do you think iamperfection is town?
I kinda think the opposite. He's been throwing side comments without getting involved or invested.
I think he is completely and utterly useless as mafia, and too lazy to form almost any reasonable trains of thoughts. I don't see it being like that here. Just look at the game that got cancelled last year for reference.
Hm, maybe.... I don't really know his meta but his play feels decently scummy here. I guess I can think more about this.
I lost track, what do you think about CopCake?
I read over what DarthPunk was saying, I don't think it holds much water but I also don't really know CopCake's meta so who knows.
Why are you implying my cake read was a meta case when it wasn't.
This said the Cop case def wasn't meta.
On March 05 2024 09:51 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:
On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:
On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: [quote] I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor
I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it
Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP
If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right
If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard
Does the rest of his play change anything?
No, what do you think of him?
I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better
This is a great post.
##vote: Oats
Not to make associations early but this would imply oats and CC are mafia together right? If so what's stronger the initial case that Cake is the mafia and oats is defending her or Oats being mafia and just flip flopping for no reason?
Still think it would make more sense from your perpsective to be voting cake.
Dude, make a case on me.
I made a case on you two pages ago and after you were mad at me for not addressing my issues with you, you didn't even bother with what I wrote which makes me inclined to believe you don't really have an answer since you seem very intent on defending yourself from everyone else.
you know cake tried to cheat right. what do you make of that.
I am sorry but idk how i cheated?
I think stuff like “oh I can see rayn laughing”, “i can hear cake laughing” have been posted before and i have never gotten any warnings from it.
On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote: Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia?
Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that.
How is he getting more power?
He is just immune to night kill, if he was getting a double vote for the rest of the game that is a different story.
Having our jailkeeper with night kill immunity is really fucking powerful, at worst it soaks a rb for the rest of the game, at best it is just literally broken.
It puts mafia in all sorts of uncomfortable positions where they are fucked if the RB gets lynched or shot.
The vig shot or whatever can be negotiated, but I don't think vivax is bad as town regardless, and he is basically confirmed town.
Why would I roll the dice on anyone who is NOT confirmed town.
Rayn, marv and sandro are NOT confirmed town.
Lets be real here for a second. Vivax is also not confirmed town.
Idk who you are, but you won my heart with this post.
Do you think he is mafia?
No, I stopped to think you were but apparently you cant help but talk about me all the time. How dissapointing.
I expect town DP being able to focus on something else and be more level headed. You are just blending, not being bravado.
Example, koshi is bravado.
DP has, if I'm not mistaken, the largest filter in the game. This was my first issue with you all the way back 24 hours ago (lol) nothing about his play so far has blended in to me and the fact that you keep falling back on it suggests your read really hasn't evolved which I would have expected a townie to do at this point given that the thread directly contradicts your impression of his play.
On March 05 2024 01:27 Trfel wrote: Raynpelikoneet, why do you think iamperfection is town?
I kinda think the opposite. He's been throwing side comments without getting involved or invested.
I think he is completely and utterly useless as mafia, and too lazy to form almost any reasonable trains of thoughts. I don't see it being like that here. Just look at the game that got cancelled last year for reference.
Hm, maybe.... I don't really know his meta but his play feels decently scummy here. I guess I can think more about this.
I lost track, what do you think about CopCake?
I read over what DarthPunk was saying, I don't think it holds much water but I also don't really know CopCake's meta so who knows.
Why are you implying my cake read was a meta case when it wasn't.
This said the Cop case def wasn't meta.
On March 05 2024 09:51 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:
On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:
On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote: [quote] I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it
Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP
If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right
If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard
Does the rest of his play change anything?
No, what do you think of him?
I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better
This is a great post.
##vote: Oats
Not to make associations early but this would imply oats and CC are mafia together right? If so what's stronger the initial case that Cake is the mafia and oats is defending her or Oats being mafia and just flip flopping for no reason?
Still think it would make more sense from your perpsective to be voting cake.
Dude, make a case on me.
I made a case on you two pages ago and after you were mad at me for not addressing my issues with you, you didn't even bother with what I wrote which makes me inclined to believe you don't really have an answer since you seem very intent on defending yourself from everyone else.
you know cake tried to cheat right. what do you make of that.
I am sorry but idk how i cheated?
I think stuff like “oh I can see rayn laughing”, “i can hear cake laughing” have been posted before and i have never gotten any warnings from it.
you cant communicate outside the thread come on now.
Well, my bad. I think this has happened before, even with vivax/dmb too.
On March 05 2024 10:09 JacobStrangelove wrote: Hmm I guess parking vote on TTS for now.
##Vote: ToTheStars
Dude you think I am mafia and you are literally voting for the same person I am lynching?
Please stop blending in peoples opinions about me and get to your own conclusions.
You are also another person out of character. The first game i read from you, you were funny. Here you are acting as if you were walking on toes trying not to make a sound.
I haven't played with him before and you say he's out of character. You voted TTS like 8 hours ago because he said he was going to survive late. I agree that JS's vote is really weak but is that enough for you to come off of TTS and essentially OMGUS JS? Just walk me through it bc I haven't played with him and I've got time and an open mind rn.
I voted to the stars Jacob thinks I am mafia Votes to the stars
On March 05 2024 10:09 JacobStrangelove wrote: Hmm I guess parking vote on TTS for now.
##Vote: ToTheStars
Dude you think I am mafia and you are literally voting for the same person I am lynching?
Please stop blending in peoples opinions about me and get to your own conclusions.
You are also another person out of character. The first game i read from you, you were funny. Here you are acting as if you were walking on toes trying not to make a sound.
I haven't played with him before and you say he's out of character. You voted TTS like 8 hours ago because he said he was going to survive late. I agree that JS's vote is really weak but is that enough for you to come off of TTS and essentially OMGUS JS? Just walk me through it bc I haven't played with him and I've got time and an open mind rn.
I obvs one game with him, he is a wild person that posts a lot of gay stuff.
The whole rayn/sandro/marv is a perfect scenario for his gay scenario fan fiction and is not happening.
I know that sounds stupid but it is REALLY how he posted that game as town.
On March 05 2024 14:27 DarthPunk wrote: Perfection why did you wait til you were being pressured to raise the cake out of thread thing. That happened a while ago.
He mentioned it earlier too I think.
With “she even dont wanting to clear herself like that makes her more town” or something like that.
Btw I am sorry but tue Vivax claim doesnt clear him 100%.
I agree that is insane and mostly town but
There is a chance of being the most amazing mafia move ever.
Those are iron guts.
I honestly drop my confident read of dumb, like i dont understand why vivax ca not do this as mafia, and she is so confident. That confidence of knowing he is not lying is what makes vivax townish in this scenario.
Like questioning stuff is what a town should do which is why I like Koshi and JAT.
I think the game inside the game Slam was “less free”. If something to read Slam as town is not his “martyr” but his way of saying things not caring if he makes someone mad or not. Also the overuse of Hijole and random stuff unintentionally.
Marv is Rayn’s second gay crush, so I dont see anything weird there.
I think Rayn said also that Marv have a similar reads before he shared his. I know this doesnt clear Rayn but it sounds like normal Rayn.
IF my opinion has some weight on you, I think rayn is more agressive and angry as mafia. Only once I think he has been happy as mafia is when someone sent him whisky for having a good scum game, I think that was Happa.
On March 05 2024 22:31 Palmar wrote: So thoughts on Vivax
1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia. 2) He did claim so we work with what we got 3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill" 4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax
In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor.
[b]There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, [/]and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point.
That solves that problem for me.
I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though.
Why would he claim something SO DANGEROUS, if he knows that, at the end of the day, people can be crazy enough to misslynch him? even if a claim of that caliber that is stupid?
Vivax, did you ever considered that idk, any other blue roles, that maybe got into the hands of someone insane, could also claim or soft claim something? Did you ever consider the fuck fest your claim would create?
Why would he claim something SO DANGEROUS, if he knows that, at the end of the day, people can be crazy enough to misslynch him? even if a claim of that caliber that is stupid?
Vivax, did you ever considered that idk, any other blue roles, that maybe got into the hands of someone insane, could also claim or soft claim something? Did you ever consider the fuck fest your claim would create?
The fuckfest can be over if you allow it to.
Why are you shielding Trfel and why don‘t you suspect Slam if you think his claim was fake.
Those are better questions
Slam could have want to out the game and the claim is pretty bad. Considering it serious is stupid.
Why would he claim something SO DANGEROUS, if he knows that, at the end of the day, people can be crazy enough to misslynch him? even if a claim of that caliber that is stupid?
Vivax, did you ever considered that idk, any other blue roles, that maybe got into the hands of someone insane, could also claim or soft claim something? Did you ever consider the fuck fest your claim would create?
Why are you asking hapa he told town they could go fuck itself. And what are you saying did vivax make a bad play I think we have established that. Look at the way he claimed do you think that is something a scum would do when he did it.
I wanted to see if he would answer, totally bad move if he doesnt do little bit.
And yeah, it could happen if he is backed by big players and he is the most insane of them.
Consider it like this
You came from a game in which people call you scummy for being... "boring" even if you have good reads, why bring a bomb like that claim that doesnt benefit?
Why would he claim something SO DANGEROUS, if he knows that, at the end of the day, people can be crazy enough to misslynch him? even if a claim of that caliber that is stupid?
Vivax, did you ever considered that idk, any other blue roles, that maybe got into the hands of someone insane, could also claim or soft claim something? Did you ever consider the fuck fest your claim would create?
The fuckfest can be over if you allow it to.
Why are you shielding Trfel and why don‘t you suspect Slam if you think his claim was fake.
Those are better questions
Slam could have want to out the game and the claim is pretty bad. Considering it serious is stupid.
But this is a theory.
Sup Slam, are you for real the cop?
Okay and Trfel just vanishing when he‘s typically a high WIM townie ?
You, dead on day 1 lynched, 7 pages.
Tfrel, killed night 4, 10 pages.
Why do people picture Tfrel someone who posts 24/7?
Why would he claim something SO DANGEROUS, if he knows that, at the end of the day, people can be crazy enough to misslynch him? even if a claim of that caliber that is stupid?
Vivax, did you ever considered that idk, any other blue roles, that maybe got into the hands of someone insane, could also claim or soft claim something? Did you ever consider the fuck fest your claim would create?
The fuckfest can be over if you allow it to.
Why are you shielding Trfel and why don‘t you suspect Slam if you think his claim was fake.
Those are better questions
Slam could have want to out the game and the claim is pretty bad. Considering it serious is stupid.
But this is a theory.
Sup Slam, are you for real the cop?
Okay and Trfel just vanishing when he‘s typically a high WIM townie ?
You, dead on day 1 lynched, 7 pages.
Tfrel, killed night 4, 10 pages.
Why do people picture Tfrel someone who posts 24/7?
Don‘t know you tell me.
That still doesn‘t explain why you have to prevent him from accumulating votes.
Because he is not part of the Toby club, is neutral, and his reads are not based or influenced of "Oh Marv said this, so my read will be similar"
You know he was the MVP the game dead, chez and rayn were mafia.
Why would he claim something SO DANGEROUS, if he knows that, at the end of the day, people can be crazy enough to misslynch him? even if a claim of that caliber that is stupid?
Vivax, did you ever considered that idk, any other blue roles, that maybe got into the hands of someone insane, could also claim or soft claim something? Did you ever consider the fuck fest your claim would create?
The fuckfest can be over if you allow it to.
Why are you shielding Trfel and why don‘t you suspect Slam if you think his claim was fake.
Those are better questions
Slam could have want to out the game and the claim is pretty bad. Considering it serious is stupid.
But this is a theory.
Sup Slam, are you for real the cop?
Okay and Trfel just vanishing when he‘s typically a high WIM townie ?
You, dead on day 1 lynched, 7 pages.
Tfrel, killed night 4, 10 pages.
Why do people picture Tfrel someone who posts 24/7?
Don‘t know you tell me.
That still doesn‘t explain why you have to prevent him from accumulating votes.
Because he is not part of the Toby club, is neutral, and his reads are not based or influenced of "Oh Marv said this, so my read will be similar"
You know he was the MVP the game dead, chez and rayn were mafia.
You do not acknowledging this is suspicious.
I don't understand what your saying. What is toby club. And wouldn't being neutral be a more likely scum trait?
There is this clique of big egos or people who consider themselves high level players.
In this list there is koshi, marv, rayn, dp at least.
They try to figure out if they are town or mafia first and continue from there. Problem is, some of them are pretty good at scum and can fool people (rayn)
This is where people like Tfrel shine, because he, by being neutral and not influenced, have more accurate reads.
The neutral you are talking about is a read like "well, i think he is scummy but..." which is not a neutral read, just bullshit post pretending to be a read.
On March 06 2024 01:29 CopCake wrote: Like, I dont understand why is it so bad to question Vivax claim.
I have the right to do it if I wanted to.
Okay so outside of the claim, how is vivax mafia
The claim itself is just stupid, how he wants tfrel dead considering the last game, I dont think he is scumhunting
His reads
On March 05 2024 23:13 Vivax wrote: I think rayn has a decent chance to flip mafia by the way. Cop says he can't be because he'd be angrier but there's nothing that says he isn't simply more restrained in this game.
I'm moving cop out of the mafia pool just because of what Koshi said about her and good intentions. I still think she was struggling back then and took way too long to join the chorus calling my claim awful.
Iamperfection has dropped off a lot and looks a lot like Oats at this point. I just don't see any motivation to find the right lynch here. Erratic play. I believe Oats still didn't deliver an estimation of marv and Sandroba like I asked.
I don't want to lynch Palmar. I think marv is doing jack shit, and he didn't try to run for mayor for it. The Palmar vote was his first meaningful contribution, and everyone treated it like some high priest tossed a piece of metal from a pyramid and they went wild chasing it while screeching like a bunch of teenies at a rock concert.
I also think marv is kinda avoidant of DP and I know that marv has to fear DP if he's mafia. Him masoning Sandoba over DP is bad and might explain DPs lower effort.
MZ, Rels reasonable and pro-town all around but also a bit synthetic and lacking emotion for now. Not on the table for D1 I think and they have shown that they know what it takes to not lose to a casino.
DMB I think town. I liked most of the placements in her list and she had a golden opportunity to fall into her meta of antagonizing me just for fun and blending in with others doing so. I don't think she'd want a JK as mayor as mafia either.
That's about it for now. Otherwise:
Hapa joined discord and didn't post at all so I think it's due we make him the main secondary wagon that I can kill but I also need town's consent for it. Jealous works too, just make it visible please.
and an hour later
On March 06 2024 00:10 Vivax wrote: Slam, iamp, TTS, Hapa
Why would he claim something SO DANGEROUS, if he knows that, at the end of the day, people can be crazy enough to misslynch him? even if a claim of that caliber that is stupid?
Vivax, did you ever considered that idk, any other blue roles, that maybe got into the hands of someone insane, could also claim or soft claim something? Did you ever consider the fuck fest your claim would create?
The fuckfest can be over if you allow it to.
Why are you shielding Trfel and why don‘t you suspect Slam if you think his claim was fake.
Those are better questions
Slam could have want to out the game and the claim is pretty bad. Considering it serious is stupid.
But this is a theory.
Sup Slam, are you for real the cop?
Okay and Trfel just vanishing when he‘s typically a high WIM townie ?
You, dead on day 1 lynched, 7 pages.
Tfrel, killed night 4, 10 pages.
Why do people picture Tfrel someone who posts 24/7?
Don‘t know you tell me.
That still doesn‘t explain why you have to prevent him from accumulating votes.
Because he is not part of the Toby club, is neutral, and his reads are not based or influenced of "Oh Marv said this, so my read will be similar"
You know he was the MVP the game dead, chez and rayn were mafia.
You do not acknowledging this is suspicious.
I don't understand what your saying. What is toby club. And wouldn't being neutral be a more likely scum trait?
There is this clique of big egos or people who consider themselves high level players.
In this list there is koshi, marv, rayn, dp at least.
They try to figure out if they are town or mafia first and continue from there. Problem is, some of them are pretty good at scum and can fool people (rayn)
This is where people like Tfrel shine, because he, by being neutral and not influenced, have more accurate reads.
The neutral you are talking about is a read like "well, i think he is scummy but..." which is not a neutral read, just bullshit post pretending to be a read.
On March 06 2024 01:29 CopCake wrote: Like, I dont understand why is it so bad to question Vivax claim.
I have the right to do it if I wanted to.
Okay so outside of the claim, how is vivax mafia
The claim itself is just stupid, how he wants tfrel dead considering the last game, I dont think he is scumhunting
His reads
On March 05 2024 23:13 Vivax wrote: I think rayn has a decent chance to flip mafia by the way. Cop says he can't be because he'd be angrier but there's nothing that says he isn't simply more restrained in this game.
I'm moving cop out of the mafia pool just because of what Koshi said about her and good intentions. I still think she was struggling back then and took way too long to join the chorus calling my claim awful.
Iamperfection has dropped off a lot and looks a lot like Oats at this point. I just don't see any motivation to find the right lynch here. Erratic play. I believe Oats still didn't deliver an estimation of marv and Sandroba like I asked.
I don't want to lynch Palmar. I think marv is doing jack shit, and he didn't try to run for mayor for it. The Palmar vote was his first meaningful contribution, and everyone treated it like some high priest tossed a piece of metal from a pyramid and they went wild chasing it while screeching like a bunch of teenies at a rock concert.
I also think marv is kinda avoidant of DP and I know that marv has to fear DP if he's mafia. Him masoning Sandoba over DP is bad and might explain DPs lower effort.
MZ, Rels reasonable and pro-town all around but also a bit synthetic and lacking emotion for now. Not on the table for D1 I think and they have shown that they know what it takes to not lose to a casino.
DMB I think town. I liked most of the placements in her list and she had a golden opportunity to fall into her meta of antagonizing me just for fun and blending in with others doing so. I don't think she'd want a JK as mayor as mafia either.
That's about it for now. Otherwise:
Hapa joined discord and didn't post at all so I think it's due we make him the main secondary wagon that I can kill but I also need town's consent for it. Jealous works too, just make it visible please.
and an hour later
On March 06 2024 00:10 Vivax wrote: Slam, iamp, TTS, Hapa
Man this game is easy
read progressions are not ok
Out of curiosity, have you played with vivax before? And secondly, have you read the game you linked earlier?
Yeah, I have played with Vivax and yeah, that is why I said Tfrel MVP there.
On March 06 2024 01:29 CopCake wrote: Like, I dont understand why is it so bad to question Vivax claim.
I have the right to do it if I wanted to.
Okay so outside of the claim, how is vivax mafia
The claim itself is just stupid, how he wants tfrel dead considering the last game, I dont think he is scumhunting
His reads
On March 05 2024 23:13 Vivax wrote: I think rayn has a decent chance to flip mafia by the way. Cop says he can't be because he'd be angrier but there's nothing that says he isn't simply more restrained in this game.
I'm moving cop out of the mafia pool just because of what Koshi said about her and good intentions. I still think she was struggling back then and took way too long to join the chorus calling my claim awful.
Iamperfection has dropped off a lot and looks a lot like Oats at this point. I just don't see any motivation to find the right lynch here. Erratic play. I believe Oats still didn't deliver an estimation of marv and Sandroba like I asked.
I don't want to lynch Palmar. I think marv is doing jack shit, and he didn't try to run for mayor for it. The Palmar vote was his first meaningful contribution, and everyone treated it like some high priest tossed a piece of metal from a pyramid and they went wild chasing it while screeching like a bunch of teenies at a rock concert.
I also think marv is kinda avoidant of DP and I know that marv has to fear DP if he's mafia. Him masoning Sandoba over DP is bad and might explain DPs lower effort.
MZ, Rels reasonable and pro-town all around but also a bit synthetic and lacking emotion for now. Not on the table for D1 I think and they have shown that they know what it takes to not lose to a casino.
DMB I think town. I liked most of the placements in her list and she had a golden opportunity to fall into her meta of antagonizing me just for fun and blending in with others doing so. I don't think she'd want a JK as mayor as mafia either.
That's about it for now. Otherwise:
Hapa joined discord and didn't post at all so I think it's due we make him the main secondary wagon that I can kill but I also need town's consent for it. Jealous works too, just make it visible please.
and an hour later
On March 06 2024 00:10 Vivax wrote: Slam, iamp, TTS, Hapa
Man this game is easy
read progressions are not ok
Out of curiosity, have you played with vivax before? And secondly, have you read the game you linked earlier?
Yeah, I have played with Vivax and yeah, that is why I said Tfrel MVP there.
So with what you linked, how is that not typical vivax? He literally does that that’s vivax
I do not understand his claim, when he knows he might suffer the danger of getting misslynched anyways because the claim is just so bad to be true. Which makes me believe that he could be mafia with at least two big names.
I want to rule out that probability, as easy as that.
On March 06 2024 01:29 CopCake wrote: Like, I dont understand why is it so bad to question Vivax claim.
I have the right to do it if I wanted to.
Okay so outside of the claim, how is vivax mafia
The claim itself is just stupid, how he wants tfrel dead considering the last game, I dont think he is scumhunting
His reads
On March 05 2024 23:13 Vivax wrote: I think rayn has a decent chance to flip mafia by the way. Cop says he can't be because he'd be angrier but there's nothing that says he isn't simply more restrained in this game.
I'm moving cop out of the mafia pool just because of what Koshi said about her and good intentions. I still think she was struggling back then and took way too long to join the chorus calling my claim awful.
Iamperfection has dropped off a lot and looks a lot like Oats at this point. I just don't see any motivation to find the right lynch here. Erratic play. I believe Oats still didn't deliver an estimation of marv and Sandroba like I asked.
I don't want to lynch Palmar. I think marv is doing jack shit, and he didn't try to run for mayor for it. The Palmar vote was his first meaningful contribution, and everyone treated it like some high priest tossed a piece of metal from a pyramid and they went wild chasing it while screeching like a bunch of teenies at a rock concert.
I also think marv is kinda avoidant of DP and I know that marv has to fear DP if he's mafia. Him masoning Sandoba over DP is bad and might explain DPs lower effort.
MZ, Rels reasonable and pro-town all around but also a bit synthetic and lacking emotion for now. Not on the table for D1 I think and they have shown that they know what it takes to not lose to a casino.
DMB I think town. I liked most of the placements in her list and she had a golden opportunity to fall into her meta of antagonizing me just for fun and blending in with others doing so. I don't think she'd want a JK as mayor as mafia either.
That's about it for now. Otherwise:
Hapa joined discord and didn't post at all so I think it's due we make him the main secondary wagon that I can kill but I also need town's consent for it. Jealous works too, just make it visible please.
and an hour later
On March 06 2024 00:10 Vivax wrote: Slam, iamp, TTS, Hapa
Man this game is easy
read progressions are not ok
Out of curiosity, have you played with vivax before? And secondly, have you read the game you linked earlier?
Yeah, I have played with Vivax and yeah, that is why I said Tfrel MVP there.
So with what you linked, how is that not typical vivax? He literally does that that’s vivax
I do not understand his claim, when he knows he might suffer the danger of getting misslynched anyways because the claim is just so bad to be true. Which makes me believe that he could be mafia with at least two big names.
I want to rule out that probability, as easy as that.
Yes you said this already. The question I’m asking is if you think he’s mafia then there has to be things other than the claim that he’s doing that’s scummy
How many times has vivax said he wants tfrel dead?
How many votes have Tfrel gotten?
On March 05 2024 23:58 Grackaroni wrote: Day One VoteCount
On March 06 2024 01:29 CopCake wrote: Like, I dont understand why is it so bad to question Vivax claim.
I have the right to do it if I wanted to.
Okay so outside of the claim, how is vivax mafia
The claim itself is just stupid, how he wants tfrel dead considering the last game, I dont think he is scumhunting
His reads
On March 05 2024 23:13 Vivax wrote: I think rayn has a decent chance to flip mafia by the way. Cop says he can't be because he'd be angrier but there's nothing that says he isn't simply more restrained in this game.
I'm moving cop out of the mafia pool just because of what Koshi said about her and good intentions. I still think she was struggling back then and took way too long to join the chorus calling my claim awful.
Iamperfection has dropped off a lot and looks a lot like Oats at this point. I just don't see any motivation to find the right lynch here. Erratic play. I believe Oats still didn't deliver an estimation of marv and Sandroba like I asked.
I don't want to lynch Palmar. I think marv is doing jack shit, and he didn't try to run for mayor for it. The Palmar vote was his first meaningful contribution, and everyone treated it like some high priest tossed a piece of metal from a pyramid and they went wild chasing it while screeching like a bunch of teenies at a rock concert.
I also think marv is kinda avoidant of DP and I know that marv has to fear DP if he's mafia. Him masoning Sandoba over DP is bad and might explain DPs lower effort.
MZ, Rels reasonable and pro-town all around but also a bit synthetic and lacking emotion for now. Not on the table for D1 I think and they have shown that they know what it takes to not lose to a casino.
DMB I think town. I liked most of the placements in her list and she had a golden opportunity to fall into her meta of antagonizing me just for fun and blending in with others doing so. I don't think she'd want a JK as mayor as mafia either.
That's about it for now. Otherwise:
Hapa joined discord and didn't post at all so I think it's due we make him the main secondary wagon that I can kill but I also need town's consent for it. Jealous works too, just make it visible please.
and an hour later
On March 06 2024 00:10 Vivax wrote: Slam, iamp, TTS, Hapa
Man this game is easy
read progressions are not ok
Out of curiosity, have you played with vivax before? And secondly, have you read the game you linked earlier?
Yeah, I have played with Vivax and yeah, that is why I said Tfrel MVP there.
So with what you linked, how is that not typical vivax? He literally does that that’s vivax
I do not understand his claim, when he knows he might suffer the danger of getting misslynched anyways because the claim is just so bad to be true. Which makes me believe that he could be mafia with at least two big names.
I want to rule out that probability, as easy as that.
Yes you said this already. The question I’m asking is if you think he’s mafia then there has to be things other than the claim that he’s doing that’s scummy
How many times has vivax said he wants tfrel dead?
How many votes have Tfrel gotten?
On March 05 2024 23:58 Grackaroni wrote: Day One VoteCount
The claim itself is just stupid, how he wants tfrel dead considering the last game, I dont think he is scumhunting
His reads
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and an hour later
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read progressions are not ok
Out of curiosity, have you played with vivax before? And secondly, have you read the game you linked earlier?
Yeah, I have played with Vivax and yeah, that is why I said Tfrel MVP there.
So with what you linked, how is that not typical vivax? He literally does that that’s vivax
I do not understand his claim, when he knows he might suffer the danger of getting misslynched anyways because the claim is just so bad to be true. Which makes me believe that he could be mafia with at least two big names.
I want to rule out that probability, as easy as that.
Yes you said this already. The question I’m asking is if you think he’s mafia then there has to be things other than the claim that he’s doing that’s scummy
How many times has vivax said he wants tfrel dead?
How many votes have Tfrel gotten?
On March 05 2024 23:58 Grackaroni wrote: Day One VoteCount
On March 06 2024 02:36 Oatsmaster wrote: @cake so if I’m understanding what you are saying, you think trefel is mafia with vivax then? Why else would he, in your perspective, not want to start a wagon on trefel
No, I dont understand why is not voting his scum read.
He claims because he doesnt want to start a wagon of someone who wont get lynched.
But he starts one on you so I guess he thinks you are more lynchable.
On March 05 2024 23:13 Vivax wrote: I think rayn has a decent chance to flip mafia by the way. Cop says he can't be because he'd be angrier but there's nothing that says he isn't simply more restrained in this game.
I'm moving cop out of the mafia pool just because of what Koshi said about her and good intentions. I still think she was struggling back then and took way too long to join the chorus calling my claim awful.
Iamperfection has dropped off a lot and looks a lot like Oats at this point. I just don't see any motivation to find the right lynch here. Erratic play. I believe Oats still didn't deliver an estimation of marv and Sandroba like I asked.
I don't want to lynch Palmar. I think marv is doing jack shit, and he didn't try to run for mayor for it. The Palmar vote was his first meaningful contribution, and everyone treated it like some high priest tossed a piece of metal from a pyramid and they went wild chasing it while screeching like a bunch of teenies at a rock concert.
I also think marv is kinda avoidant of DP and I know that marv has to fear DP if he's mafia. Him masoning Sandoba over DP is bad and might explain DPs lower effort.
MZ, Rels reasonable and pro-town all around but also a bit synthetic and lacking emotion for now. Not on the table for D1 I think and they have shown that they know what it takes to not lose to a casino.
DMB I think town. I liked most of the placements in her list and she had a golden opportunity to fall into her meta of antagonizing me just for fun and blending in with others doing so. I don't think she'd want a JK as mayor as mafia either.
That's about it for now. Otherwise:
Hapa joined discord and didn't post at all so I think it's due we make him the main secondary wagon that I can kill but I also need town's consent for it. Jealous works too, just make it visible please.
On March 06 2024 02:36 Oatsmaster wrote: @cake so if I’m understanding what you are saying, you think trefel is mafia with vivax then? Why else would he, in your perspective, not want to start a wagon on trefel
No, I dont understand why is not voting his scum read.
He claims because he doesnt want to start a wagon of someone who wont get lynched.
But he starts one on you so I guess he thinks you are more lynchable.
What’s the mafia motivation? I don’t see the link
He is talking a lot of “why are you white knighting Tfrel”, “I think Tfrel is mafia” “I wont vote Tfrel coz to lazy to start a wagon of someone who wont be lynched” but started a wagon on you Oats.
In before, cake why were you so sure Tfrel was town? Only mafia can be like that 🧟♀️
I wasnt sure, but I stated why Tfrel is a good player AND it was probably his real birthday today, we saw a birthday cake in his username and he said he was unaware, so if he id mia maybe it is because of the celebration.
On March 06 2024 12:12 CopCake wrote: In before, cake why were you so sure Tfrel was town? Only mafia can be like that 🧟♀️
I wasnt sure, but I stated why Tfrel is a good player AND it was probably his real birthday today, we saw a birthday cake in his username and he said he was unaware, so if he id mia maybe it is because of the celebration.
You wasted your vote, so you can't be mad if you are town.
I didnt wasted my vote, I was sleeping.
And spent yesterday part of the day praising Tfrel.
On March 06 2024 12:12 CopCake wrote: In before, cake why were you so sure Tfrel was town? Only mafia can be like that 🧟♀️
I wasnt sure, but I stated why Tfrel is a good player AND it was probably his real birthday today, we saw a birthday cake in his username and he said he was unaware, so if he id mia maybe it is because of the celebration.
You wasted your vote, so you can't be mad if you are town.
I didnt wasted my vote, I was sleeping.
And spent yesterday part of the day praising Tfrel.
On March 06 2024 12:27 Rels wrote: Meh on Trfel being lynched, I would have lynched over half the game before him
I glanced at the Tfrel list and I saw big names, I need to read the whole thread progession but yesterday it was discussed that Tfrel is “scummy” for his lack of participation of the thread.
Some *big names* or big name deffended him also saying he was a good player. Need to see who it was and if he ended up lynching him.
I made a comparasion of how he acted in the last game and saw the number of posts he made. So if “being inactive” is the reason and a big player did that, I think it is a very good place where to look for a mafia.
On March 06 2024 06:54 Palmar wrote: As for other people.
I stand by the sandroba townread, koshi is probably town too. I like Oats a lot more now for actually making sense. I also like JSL and Vivax.
I'd need VE to actually step up some again, same with Trfel. I had some reads on both but they're weak. DMB is also a weak maybe townread.
iamperfection is making sense, but the guy is smart enough to make sense when there is no pressure on him as either alignment.
DP is a little more wildcardy to me this game, I haven't always agreed with his takes.
TTS, JEalous, Hapa just need to be policied out.
I've not read or even noticed Rels at all which is a bad omen.
rayn is weird to me. I'm again getting the feeling that he's just posting a lot and saying very little, also I really, really don't like that he's not pressuring marv at all in the mason QT it seems.
Idk about CopCake, nothjin one way or the other.
MZ looks kinda bad, but it's very weak as I haven't really read him.
On March 06 2024 04:57 Grackaroni wrote: Palmar (7) : marvellosity, justanothertownie, Alakaslam, sandroba, DarthPunk, Koshi, raynpelikoneet, Trfel
Updated.
Any reason we shouldn't kill TTS? I'm not discounting that Palmar could flip mafia especially if marv is town but it has the touch of a vanity wagon and Trfel's vote is lazy bussing in that case.
I won't fight it but a counterwagon is pointless atp because we got scum with shaky knees apparently.
On March 06 2024 06:47 Palmar wrote: Btw the wagon on me is so bad.
marv is probably just mafia jat has literally no reason to think I am, and is probably mafia anyway. Trfel has literally no reason to think I am Slam is slam Koshi has thought I am mafia every game for 10+ years. I think he just enjoys murdering me.
On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote: I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible. There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia.
Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie.
The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed
It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake.
I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example
Are you still lock town on trfel btw?
Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me.
I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him.
This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible.
This is a good post.
Probably trfel is mafia.
Yeah maybe but CC and sandroba are town and they are townreading tfrel. So don't fuck up their game and lynch Tfrel over Hapa and Palmar.
On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote: I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible. There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia.
Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie.
The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed
It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake.
I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example
Are you still lock town on trfel btw?
Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me.
I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him.
This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible.
This is a good post.
Probably trfel is mafia.
Yeah maybe but CC and sandroba are town and they are townreading tfrel. So don't fuck up their game and lynch Tfrel over Hapa and Palmar.
With this, I mean, DP tried to put the Tfrel blame on Koshi.
On March 06 2024 07:31 Alakaslam wrote: Why are we lynching either of trfel or jat? Kinda hard to be anything but cba in my position but believe me, I'm trying to be better.
Y'all have boomer levels of ability to think in someone else's shoes, by the way. I get that some of you actually are in fact boomers, but the crazy thing is they are the ones seeing my plight lol.
On March 06 2024 07:52 JacobStrangelove wrote: Man I was just about to say I trust everyone who's on the triffle lynch
Hapa is an okay kill but I mean I guess if he is mafia they can't push back on it anyway so I guess it's safe with the "random" factor and the random factor threat was more to get people active.
On March 06 2024 07:55 Koshi wrote: DP, can you do me a favor? When closer to deadline, can you take a step back and feel the thread? Try to feel if the players that came back to the thread are pushing an agenda?
I think the last 12 hours town had control over the thread, I fear that the mafia let us be, and will come back once we are asleep.
I could name some people but that wont be fair to them.
marv should not be shaded during the next hours. There is no need for that. He left the masons and came to play in the thread, that is a positive thing.
My remaining nulls/scumreads went into hiding.
Do not shade marv until we see palmar flip town. There is no reason to doubt marv his alignment. Remember marv posted reads in mason chat and rayn hard townread marv for it.
On March 06 2024 11:25 Trfel wrote: Yeah sorry, been dealing with some mental health issues, combined with being horrendous on day 1, has made it hard to find mafia or be very effective.
I think raynpelikoneet's play was very solid early on, he feels much more genuine than last game. It feels like he really cares about what he's doing. So I think he is town, same with marvellosity and sandroba by association. I would be very hesitant about suspecting these three. Kinda think DarthPunk is town as well, but I could be wrong.
I don't have any great scumreads unfortunately, or I would have shared them. I still don't like the way iamperfection was playing but I have vague memories of that just being his playstyle so I could be wrong.
Not sure what Vivax is doing with his "reasons" to suspect me. There are reasons I could be mafia, he managed to not find them but is very passionate about it anyway. I don't know if that means anything though.
if your lying about the mental health issues i applaud you.
On March 06 2024 13:35 DarthPunk wrote: Rayn lets chat about stuff seeing as we are actually in the thread together for once.
I think there is one mafia within DMB and Cake, possibly two. Palmar is still 100% mafia, VE is mafia as well. Jealous maybe mafia, that shit looks so untrue..
Let's put palmar to the side, because let's face it. we are not going to agree on that.
I think DMB over cake right now, I am not sure that Cake would invite dmb to the town circle and then dmb would sus her right back, that seems like a bit of a stretch, plus cakes outrage to teh trfel wagon and in particular the slam town read look really town to me.
Im interested about your VE read is that just a lurker lynch?
What do you think of sandro lynching trfel a the end, I am assuming you think it is a TvT wagon?
Neither of DMB and Cake arent doing anything with their read on each other. Cake likes to talk with her scumbuddies, there is no reason why she wouldn't invite her. DMB can't make a decent read on her scumbuddies. Like if there is anything that made DMB mafia last game was the trash tier read on me.
i say VE can be completely useless as town and i dont thinkthats necessarily alignment indicative for him. I scumread him because he got angry at my post which should not generate that kind of reaction as it was perfectly neutral post. He always does that because he tries to fake his town anger but it is directed in completely unreasonable places.
Aside from that, Palmar's progression on VE is super bad, but it's a bit unfair to call that scummy on VE.
On March 06 2024 13:44 DarthPunk wrote: Can you tell me why you town read marv so strongly from your mason chat? Was it just a tone read? wasn't really obvious the progression just from your summary.
It's really because of him townreading you and not telling you that but telling me it and when he posted reads unprovoked, and they pretty much matched with mine. And the fact he was ACTUALLY playing while whining about not having time to play. Like there are multiple instances where he says he has to leave or has stuff to do and then he just keeps posting and posting and posting and it's all about relevant stuff. Also i would assume mafia marv would want to play in thread more (when he is playing) than in discord, since i can't make people think he is town if he doesnt look town in thread, there are too many strong or influential players who never agree with me, namely you, vivax, koshi, etc..
On March 06 2024 13:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Its completely unreasonable to think those people are mafia for lynching Trfel unless you think Palmar is 100% mafia.
My theory is that they wanted Tfrel out of the equation. I honestly do not know where to place Palmar there.
Ie. Koshi wanted to lynch Tfrel but he respected other people’s view on him he contained (even mine)
Here, we have vivax who called tfrel bad and mafia many times for not being active when I proved that Tfrel is not a spammer.
🤷🏽♀️
They only started the wagon because DP came in. DP knows about Tfrel good reads.
It also bugs me a lot that Tfrel HAVE talked about his mental health issues before and there are several active TL frequent posters who know that.
I have never also found Vivax to be pedantic? And in this game it feels so. He tends to fight the status quo but not here.
On March 06 2024 14:10 CopCake wrote: Like it makes a lot of sense in my head that DP wanted Tfrel out.
The way the lynch started was instigated by DP but the first vote was by Iamp.
Same with Vivax. He wanted Tfrel out but didnt move a finger until later when someone else did the Dirty work. I think that Iamp have to do it because if not, the wagon wouldnt have started.
Anyways, I have problems only with DMB believing Vivax 100% claim but other than that she is being her usual self.
Not true.
Why would DMB believing the Vivax claim make her mafia?
Mimic of her last game “kill me and not HF”,and I say it is what it bugs me, because DMB tends to question everything.
DP - I just came out of being mafia I am drained I dont want to be mayor - Come at night talks about how glorious he is and control the lynch trains
Vivax - Happa gave up because he saw my duper cool plan - Tfrel is not like this he lack posting coz scared - Cake scum for comming last minute - I wont start a wagon on tfrel but started a wagon on TTS - he doesnt want to scum hunt, just sit in the mayor chair and if he kills someone, he can easily say “you told me to kill this person”. - like, if vivax was town, he would think about why he wants to use his power with someone - he generally likes to be in the shadows, I think it is more benefical if he is jailkeeper (which i doubt) and use his role, this “i wanna stay alive” is weird.
Like the Happa thing is bad and now someone who is not going to scum hunt is mayor.
On March 06 2024 00:00 marvellosity wrote: Do you know why I normally tr read you Palmar?
No idea.
Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game.
Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game.
Unless....
You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread.
And - i know you know I don’t push for you like this as mafia. As if you are town I am putting myself in an incredibly difficult spot when the person I know best flips town. It’s a terrible play. The only logical explanation is I am town and I think you are mafia.
See this is only valid if I genuinely believe you want to play the game. You would be perfectly happy trading yourself for a 1v1 lynch as mafia IF you don't really want to play.
There is a reason I said earlier that I can't call you scum for being lazy, but I also can't call you town for kinda... lazily pushing me. If you had 15 pages of filter and were hammering down on me with the wrath of a thousand suns you'd be town.
As for now, I don't know, and I don't really think it's productive for us to argue about it. Just go read other people and see what you find. Maybe talk to Sandroba in your friend chat.
Not done reading Palmar's filter, but this reads like Palmar doesn't know what to do. I can see scum!Palmar posting this. Especially since he was pretty confident earlier in his filter that marv would never push him as scum
On March 05 2024 09:51 Palmar wrote: Cba arguing with marv now but did make a mental note of him posting about vivax probably being town but not wanting to mayor him. Weird take because voting town mayor is always best. Can just bully them into lynching theme way we want.
But ironically I’m not sure marv would call me mafia as scum because he has no idea if I’m gonna put in work tomorrow or be lazy. But it’s all very weak and I’m not day 1 lynching players who can be relied on to actually try later on in the game.
I liked some Koshi posts
This is what I had in mind. Less strong than I thought but yeah, at the beginning of the marv push, the mentality was "marv wouldn't push me as scum". Let's see where that changes
On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: --- Wall of text ---
Just so I get it clear.
a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all?
Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine.
But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it?
On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: --- Wall of text ---
Just so I get it clear.
a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all?
Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine.
But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it?
Not weird?
Not weird because you hadn’t posted, you useless sack of crap
I don't agree.
I'm not saying you had to make a case on me. But I feel like you should at least say something "hey Palmar is being useless, maybe we should just kill him, at least try and force him to play a bit"
Or anything, really.
It's not a huge deal, but like, that means your chat is pretty non-interactive, which is weird because you both seem to townread each other.
Our chat was very active during the day.
Youlll notice I’ve been more active in the thread since as I am trying to play here.
You also know I don’t need anyone to confirm a read I have on you. What is anyone going to tell me that I don’t know?
No I know that, that's not the point.
It just feels out of character. You do like to ponder. You rarely do the guns blazing thing, that's my thing.
On March 06 2024 00:00 marvellosity wrote: Do you know why I normally tr read you Palmar?
No idea.
Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game.
Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game.
Unless....
You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread.
And - i know you know I don’t push for you like this as mafia. As if you are town I am putting myself in an incredibly difficult spot when the person I know best flips town. It’s a terrible play. The only logical explanation is I am town and I think you are mafia.
See this is only valid if I genuinely believe you want to play the game. You would be perfectly happy trading yourself for a 1v1 lynch as mafia IF you don't really want to play.
There is a reason I said earlier that I can't call you scum for being lazy, but I also can't call you town for kinda... lazily pushing me. If you had 15 pages of filter and were hammering down on me with the wrath of a thousand suns you'd be town.
As for now, I don't know, and I don't really think it's productive for us to argue about it. Just go read other people and see what you find. Maybe talk to Sandroba in your friend chat.
On March 05 2024 09:51 Palmar wrote: Cba arguing with marv now but did make a mental note of him posting about vivax probably being town but not wanting to mayor him. Weird take because voting town mayor is always best. Can just bully them into lynching theme way we want.
But ironically I’m not sure marv would call me mafia as scum because he has no idea if I’m gonna put in work tomorrow or be lazy. But it’s all very weak and I’m not day 1 lynching players who can be relied on to actually try later on in the game.
I liked some Koshi posts
This is what I had in mind. Less strong than I thought but yeah, at the beginning of the marv push, the mentality was "marv wouldn't push me as scum". Let's see where that changes
On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: --- Wall of text ---
Just so I get it clear.
a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all?
Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine.
But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it?
Not weird?
I guess there, throwing shade at marv
Because I wanted marv to change his mind during my flurry of posting this morning. He failed to do so correctly and is has received a citation for that.
That's not true. Here you were surprised at marv not changing his mind:
On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: --- Wall of text ---
Just so I get it clear.
a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all?
Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine.
But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it?
On March 05 2024 22:48 Palmar wrote: I need Sandroba to come convince me his mason buddies aren't just mafia.
I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it.
I don't really see what is good about it, It was at the wrong time, and it was ineffective, is Rels the kind of player who can't take control of a thread?
Like to me there was real influence to wield at that time and he kind of just sat on Palmar for too long on his own.
(he has had IRL stuff which may play a role, but still)
Why can you believe rels irl problems but not tfrels?
On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote: So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about.
Oatsmaster
Both initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this:
On March 04 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote: I’m running for mayor
Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing.
On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote: [quote] You don’t seem to even want to be mayor
There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor".
It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything.
VisceraEyes
Part of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read.
But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him.
Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good.
On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote: People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game.
I have zero interest in lynching VE today.
DMB
So I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point.
On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote: [quote]
Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM
She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game.
She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though.
But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed.
Sorry for not having you in my list post. You had like one page on you Filter. You came in the game after like 60 Pages or something. You posted some good one liners that i actually liked. Especially that one that either people should vote Vivax for mayjor or for lynch. That one made think a litte bit about the other players here. I understand that people think the claim is a scum move but why do they not lynch him when they are not voting him as mayjor either? Still it was to less posting from you to make any kind of opinions on your aligment. I can just say I was not suspicious about your few posts just kinda liked them. Atm you are more likely Town for me, but beware, this can change quickly
Out of all the posts in the past like 12 hours DMB chooses this one to respond to, fence sits and doesn’t apply any of the bolded section to her list post earlier so where does that thinking even come out?
Normaly i have day off, but somebody is sick and I had to come in fast. Didn't have much time to read. Btw list Was requested by rels. No answer from him atm
So what have you learned from the bolded section?
I have already used a translator 3 times, which means I have learnt 3 new words in English But for real I think the lynch is goeing in a wrong direction
so what are you going to do?
I don´t know, but I will not vote for Trfl right now. I don´t see any majorly scum shit at his filter. He plays like in the last game and he was actually doeing amzing as Town last game. So I would not like to loss him if he is Town. Actually I would like to vote on DP because he seems more scummy for me in this game, but that would be a usless vote... Vote: Justanothertownie
so trfel played amazing last game. Show me the amazing posts this game
There is a problem here.
Tfrel played an amazing game, yes. But we knew that until the game was over.
Tfrel is very pasive and apologizes a lot. It is part of his personality.
In this game, you cant know -yet- if he was amazing. Therefore keeping him alive was important.
People like to keep some players alive because “they are too good”, holyflare, rayn, etc fall in that category.
I think tfrel earned that category last game.
He did absolutely nothing different than in the other game. What is “amazing” Tfrel to you?
Explain me why is Darth town? Because he did a catastrophe yesterday.
Did you read DPs analysis of why I am town?
I may be hard pocketed but I did point out that he is right for the right reasons.
Mafia can do that. You should know this.
Mafia can be right, but because they don't have to actually think to reach the right conclusion they're rarely right for the right reasons.
DP is very high on my town list. Some of the stuff I like him for isn't even alignment indicative (and some is). He thinks reasonably about the game and is very active. I don't think going after him is a viable avenue.
False.
I have been mafia and I have lynched people for the right people and I have called town for the right reasons.
I think is harder when you are town to come to the right reasons.
Explain me why is Darth town? Because he did a catastrophe yesterday.
Did you read DPs analysis of why I am town?
I may be hard pocketed but I did point out that he is right for the right reasons.
Mafia can do that. You should know this.
Mafia can be right, but because they don't have to actually think to reach the right conclusion they're rarely right for the right reasons.
DP is very high on my town list. Some of the stuff I like him for isn't even alignment indicative (and some is). He thinks reasonably about the game and is very active. I don't think going after him is a viable avenue.
False.
I have been mafia and I have lynched people for the right people and I have called town for the right reasons.
I think is harder when you are town to come to the right reasons.
No you haven't, you just think you have.
Make a case on DP if you want it so much. I've made my case as to why I think he's town. And stop arguing with me about how mafia works, I know how it works.
I have before. And I dont think is benefical for town to act like “crazy lady”
If you think DP is town because “he called me town for the right reasons” then…
And you sound sure I havent. I suck as town, I am good scum.
Explain me why is Darth town? Because he did a catastrophe yesterday.
Did you read DPs analysis of why I am town?
I may be hard pocketed but I did point out that he is right for the right reasons.
Mafia can do that. You should know this.
Mafia can be right, but because they don't have to actually think to reach the right conclusion they're rarely right for the right reasons.
DP is very high on my town list. Some of the stuff I like him for isn't even alignment indicative (and some is). He thinks reasonably about the game and is very active. I don't think going after him is a viable avenue.
False.
I have been mafia and I have lynched people for the right people and I have called town for the right reasons.
I think is harder when you are town to come to the right reasons.
No you haven't, you just think you have.
Make a case on DP if you want it so much. I've made my case as to why I think he's town. And stop arguing with me about how mafia works, I know how it works.
I have before. And I dont think is benefical for town to act like “crazy lady”
If you think DP is town because “he called me town for the right reasons” then…
And you sound sure I havent. I suck as town, I am good scum.
And to be fair, those are inherently linked.
Think of for example Vivax this game. Let's assume he's mafia and got himself elected mayor on a fake claim.
The ONLY reason he can do that is because town collectively agrees he can be bad as town. It's ALWAYS bad as town to claim anything on day 1. But because we know Vivax can be bad as town, we are completely unable to hold him to the standard, so he can get away with this kinda stuff.
If someone that is consistently good as town tried what Vivax did tried the same thing, I'd be screaming for a lynch.
Anyway, that's enough mafia theorycrafting. Need to focus on game.
But isnt vivax one of those “keep alive because he can be good” guys?
On March 06 2024 19:42 CopCake wrote: Can someone link me the infamous "DP was mafia" game?
Tbh I think dps filter is massive. So big I don't think he's ever had a filter this size before as mafia. If he's mafia he has taken it to heights since unknown.
His recent game in which he fooled grack, rayn and idk who else, oats?
On March 06 2024 16:16 JacobStrangelove wrote: The case for Koshi.
So I just decided to filter Koshi because he seems to be the very town seeming lynch pin holding the somewhat suspicious town group (MZ/CC in the corner together and very first page of his filter he scum slips hard and nobody notices.
On March 04 2024 22:17 Koshi wrote: I wanted to be mafia this game. Or wouldnt have mind. But town is also fine.
I am going to play normal this game. So I would make a good mayor. Because I will be lock town.
Also this type of post always rubs me the wrong way, Oh I’m not mafia tee hee. No pointless bad. Not even a funny “Oh I’m not mafia” just a generic oh damn guys I’m not mafia oh well straight to asking for Mayor.
On March 05 2024 01:06 Koshi wrote: I am gonna battle rayn.
You don't think he is likely town?
I havent read anything yet from before I first posted. Masoning marv is leaning town. Marv gets good rep, marv isnt saying rayn is mafia. So probably I will have to battle town rayn.
That's ok.
I will battle him with scumreads.
Also early is convinced Rayn is town lack of doubt here is concerning.
On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote: [quote]May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.
You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.
If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.
Second wagon is often a townie as well. Mafia waits till town suggest a second town wagon and then sits on those 2 wagons. Then town vigis or kills second wagon as is tradition. I still think it is protown to want to give town 2 lynches, as it always provides information. But don't use the wrong reasons.
This is frankly just semantic game state posting. Keep in mind Koshi entered the thread fairly late (simply due to timezones) there’s a lot to go off and this is what the focus is not scum hunting.
On March 05 2024 04:47 Koshi wrote: I wrote this; decided not to post yet to see follow up
On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote: So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game
Don't like this because it breaks the flow of the recent good posts made by iamps & DP
See this:
On March 04 2024 12:52 iamperfection wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote: So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game
upset that town are making town reads?
In addition I like how iamp handled Oats. With humor and progression in reading Oats. And I liked how iamp tried to steer away town from retardation around theorycrafting the second wagon.
So iamp lock town till D3
BUT OH BOY WE GOT IAMP RAY AND MARV ALL TOWN LOCKED IN THE FIRST PAGE THIS MAN’S PSYCHIC!
On March 04 2024 13:36 iamperfection wrote: dp being obtuse and ignoring me is extremely suspicious imo
I literally just replied to you, and I am being super smart, not obtuse.
Just FYI.
i dont think your being smart at all. its a non post imo. You trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill is very suspicious.
Why do you think its a non-post?
because its basically just banter.
Disagree. But DMB looks better since then so I don't really care anymore.
excuse me. What has dmb done better.
You were winning this entire chain till that last line from iamp. Did you answer DP? And with winning I mean looking pretty townie.
man Dp’s also town everyone is town in Koshi land, Please like me guys I’m calling you all town.
This said I will point out at this point they do go into a scum read on meatbaby for sowing distrust. Then goes in on TTS but I mean kinda everyone did even if TTS is scum I would bus them so hard if I was on a mafia team with them.
On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: [quote] Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.
You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.
If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.
There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works.
The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia.
I don't like it at all.
Then he also thinks Tfrel looks smart but isn’t being helpful. Which isn’t overly suspicious but good to note with the lynch result.
On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote: I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor.
Sandro is scummy though
He’s townie.
He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way.
Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb.
Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16.
Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves.
Scum Slip Koshi? What’s happening here?
I think Koshi meant here that he didnt care for the wishperers/mason chats and he has had Marv as town. So when Marv dies then the whisperers chat will have relevance to him.
Explain me why is Darth town? Because he did a catastrophe yesterday.
Did you read DPs analysis of why I am town?
I may be hard pocketed but I did point out that he is right for the right reasons.
Mafia can do that. You should know this.
Mafia can be right, but because they don't have to actually think to reach the right conclusion they're rarely right for the right reasons.
DP is very high on my town list. Some of the stuff I like him for isn't even alignment indicative (and some is). He thinks reasonably about the game and is very active. I don't think going after him is a viable avenue.
False.
I have been mafia and I have lynched people for the right people and I have called town for the right reasons.
I think is harder when you are town to come to the right reasons.
No you haven't, you just think you have.
Make a case on DP if you want it so much. I've made my case as to why I think he's town. And stop arguing with me about how mafia works, I know how it works.
I have before. And I dont think is benefical for town to act like “crazy lady”
If you think DP is town because “he called me town for the right reasons” then…
And you sound sure I havent. I suck as town, I am good scum.
And to be fair, those are inherently linked.
Think of for example Vivax this game. Let's assume he's mafia and got himself elected mayor on a fake claim.
The ONLY reason he can do that is because town collectively agrees he can be bad as town. It's ALWAYS bad as town to claim anything on day 1. But because we know Vivax can be bad as town, we are completely unable to hold him to the standard, so he can get away with this kinda stuff.
If someone that is consistently good as town tried what Vivax did tried the same thing, I'd be screaming for a lynch.
Anyway, that's enough mafia theorycrafting. Need to focus on game.
But isnt vivax one of those “keep alive because he can be good” guys?
On March 06 2024 19:54 Palmar wrote: For the record, I don't think he's mafia. I think DP is town.
Because he pocketed you. And I am open to things, ofc I know I cant be 100% right, but my insight for being good scum is what helps town. I can tell when some actions look more for “save face” or when a night action cant clear someone.
Thing is, DP has been doing opposite things of he claims he will do.
-DP says: I dont wanna be mayor because I am burn out of my last game
- Reallity: DP started a wagon on someone WHO DIDNT EVEN HAVE votes, and then went after JAT. So much for being burn out, no?
Someone who says and claims is tired created chaos.
I need to see how was his mafia game to have better context but I can bet he wins the heart of “big players” with “good arguments”
Rayn, if you think I am mafia for that then I guess you are mafia.
You should know me better than anyone.
I was trying to understand Palmars approch because he came to me nicely trying to teach me “how to play mafia” so I put in the shoes to understand why he thinks DP is town if he is town.
So in that interaction, considering Palmar as town I said “you consider DP town because he pocketed you”.
And I got to the conclusion that Palmar is mafia because “DP thinks I am town for the right reasons”
I shared my opinion that a person can do that as mafia, for me it is easier to do that as mafia because you can find all the right reasons easier than town.
Like if that is the only reason Palmar thinks DP is town then…
Besides DP first part of the game was meh, I said before he was lacking bravado and he excused himself for being tired from last game. Yet came at night and did the opposite.
On March 06 2024 14:10 CopCake wrote: Like it makes a lot of sense in my head that DP wanted Tfrel out.
The way the lynch started was instigated by DP but the first vote was by Iamp.
Same with Vivax. He wanted Tfrel out but didnt move a finger until later when someone else did the Dirty work.
I think that Iamp have to do it because if not, the wagon wouldnt have started.
Anyways, I have problems only with DMB believing Vivax 100% claim but other than that she is being her usual self.
Why do you say this if you think all of DP/Vivax/iamp are mafia? 1) What does it matter who "has to start the wagon"? 2) why do they have to start a wagon if palmar is town? If palmar is mafia, why are you not calling him mafia, because THATS THE BASIS OF YOUR CASE AGAINST THOSE THREE!!
You know how my theory crafting works. That is not like a locked 100% works.
For isntance, that list was based on how people acted to the end of the day before the lynch.
Ie. No one is questioning vivax:
Happa probably gave up because he is mafia Tfrel is hiding because he is mafia Rayn is crying in copcakes arms Nobody touches my girlfriend because she gives good head
I am so right and you are idiots hur hur hur
When vivax was mafia with me he did the same. 🤷🏽♀️
On March 06 2024 14:10 CopCake wrote: Like it makes a lot of sense in my head that DP wanted Tfrel out.
The way the lynch started was instigated by DP but the first vote was by Iamp.
Same with Vivax. He wanted Tfrel out but didnt move a finger until later when someone else did the Dirty work.
I think that Iamp have to do it because if not, the wagon wouldnt have started.
Anyways, I have problems only with DMB believing Vivax 100% claim but other than that she is being her usual self.
Why do you say this if you think all of DP/Vivax/iamp are mafia? 1) What does it matter who "has to start the wagon"? 2) why do they have to start a wagon if palmar is town? If palmar is mafia, why are you not calling him mafia, because THATS THE BASIS OF YOUR CASE AGAINST THOSE THREE!!
You know how my theory crafting works. That is not like a locked 100% works.
yes but human brain works like that. youre building associations here between those people, but you are not building the association of "why" they do that.
it's scummy.
Sees people before end of the night Makes lists of people who is scumiests and good bois Will work on the whys later because of work
On March 06 2024 22:49 CopCake wrote: And if we go by that
Cake calls mafia Palmar and DP/vivax/iamp
You call mafia Palmar
So I guess you assume I throwed my teamate there just because?
I am GOOD SCUM, I do not make MISTAKES like that, I always try to save my scumates, remember how pissed I got at GB once?
Do you remember how I fuck up hard for trying to save rels when we were mafia together? I convinced HF not to lynch Rels.
You can absolutely acuse me of being ilogical but NEVER of bussing my teams just because.
And this, at least, vivax and marv needs to agree.
And rels.
And GB.
And anyone who has been mafia with me.
Scummy defense tbh, hinges on the premise of palmar is mafia. I've seen mafia due this many times, claiming the team you have them on can't be right because of x y z.
I am not your normal scum player.
It is ironic but I make more sense as mafia than town.
On March 06 2024 22:49 CopCake wrote: And if we go by that
Cake calls mafia Palmar and DP/vivax/iamp
You call mafia Palmar
So I guess you assume I throwed my teamate there just because?
You didnt call Palmar mafia when you called DP/vivax/iamp mafia originally.
Because i wrote the names of the people who caught my eye the most.
So now answer me.
Do I throw my scummates, yes or not?
yes
You are just mafia then.
I dont understand?
You know I dont do that.
Well first of all, you havedone so, in the game with GB and that other guy who was very annoying. Second point, you arent doing that here. Because youre not really scumreading Palmar while being scumreading him.
On March 06 2024 23:34 iamperfection wrote: Cop might just be dumb. I felt like dmb knew trfels alignment ignored me multiple times when I said the play was different. Trfel themselves admitted they were playing bad
Tfrel tends to say that with “i am sorrys” followed.
On March 06 2024 23:34 iamperfection wrote: Cop might just be dumb. I felt like dmb knew trfels alignment ignored me multiple times when I said the play was different. Trfel themselves admitted they were playing bad
Tfrel tends to say that with “i am sorrys” followed.
On March 06 2024 23:34 iamperfection wrote: Cop might just be dumb. I felt like dmb knew trfels alignment ignored me multiple times when I said the play was different. Trfel themselves admitted they were playing bad
yes i am more sure of dmb being mafia here, but cake still said: 1) vivax/dp/iamp changed the lynch from palmar (for no reason as mafia) 2) dp pocketed palmar (and palmar is not town)
it does not sit well with me. i just cant wrap my head around it...
i dont understand how she is trying to explain this now (she has), if someone can read that to me so i can understand it it would be really nice.
On March 07 2024 01:18 Alakaslam wrote: Cause there is wifom for the mafia team here. A lot of people wanted my lynch, claim or no
Well, that makes me an easier ml than most. But could I actually get a useful check off? Or am I dumb enough to clear people who are already basically cleared and be a nice pocket ml?
So who knows, genuinely
Just share the reads you can find with eyes of chezinu
On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote: Especially when she is joining my wagon
I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town...
This is a scumslip
word nr.4 today. Thank you love to improve my english
Maybe just tired and annoyed about stupid people here. Either wagons are not a good D1 lynch
Oats, this is the dumb scum slip according to you, right?
I re read the whole and it makes sense to me why she votes JAT.
I mean it is JAT or Tfrel and she deffended Tfrel. She is the type of person who read and read many games of people here to learn how to play so she pretty much has no experience with JAT BUT she has experience with DP.
Even if she knows or not mafia DP she is wary of him and truly believes he is mafia.
I dont think that is a scum slip but more the scenario she thinks is happening at that moment.
If we were playing another game and you have a wagon on you and then I come and say “Hey marv is town because of this and this and this” would you lock me as 100% town?
On March 07 2024 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Jacob comes off as really really townie on all fronts
Explain??
All of that shit where he says he has never been lynched as town and makes a case on himself. That Koshi case is also townie for him i think, if anyone DP looks like shit there when agreeing with him and not telling him the real deal.
I don’t understand how he thinks koshis thing is a scumslip while dmbs thing wasn’t to him
On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote: This is just random and for post-game purposes.
We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective).
1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question 2) TTS - Complete inactivity 3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia 4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why
But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad.
On March 07 2024 01:18 Alakaslam wrote: Cause there is wifom for the mafia team here. A lot of people wanted my lynch, claim or no
Well, that makes me an easier ml than most. But could I actually get a useful check off? Or am I dumb enough to clear people who are already basically cleared and be a nice pocket ml?
So who knows, genuinely
Just share the reads you can find with eyes of chezinu
On March 07 2024 03:06 CopCake wrote: Marv, I have a question.
If we were playing another game and you have a wagon on you and then I come and say “Hey marv is town because of this and this and this” would you lock me as 100% town?
I think you know the answer - no. But if your reasons are good it can help. Context is all important as it could be mafia looking for cred.
On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote: This is just random and for post-game purposes.
We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective).
1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question 2) TTS - Complete inactivity 3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia 4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why
But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad.
@JAT
This was discussed a lot today. Those are policy lynches. Why Palmar felt the need to talk about this so often is anyones guess but he never actually pushed to go through with those.
Tfrel reasons to be lynched were atrocious. I dont think he even deserved the Political treatment.
On March 07 2024 03:06 CopCake wrote: Marv, I have a question.
If we were playing another game and you have a wagon on you and then I come and say “Hey marv is town because of this and this and this” would you lock me as 100% town?
I think you know the answer - no. But if your reasons are good it can help. Context is all important as it could be mafia looking for cred.
Because Palmar defends DP for that reason…
I don’t know how to go down this rabbit hole haha. It’s natural to think someone defending you is townie. Especially when pressure is high.
On March 07 2024 03:06 CopCake wrote: Marv, I have a question.
If we were playing another game and you have a wagon on you and then I come and say “Hey marv is town because of this and this and this” would you lock me as 100% town?
I think you know the answer - no. But if your reasons are good it can help. Context is all important as it could be mafia looking for cred.
Because Palmar defends DP for that reason…
I don’t know how to go down this rabbit hole haha. It’s natural to think someone defending you is townie. Especially when pressure is high.
I usually dont, I find it odd :D
Ultimately if town don’t defend town, The game is extremely difficult.
I’ve defended you for instance. Because I want to shut down that avenue and keep open the other avenues I’m interested in.
On March 07 2024 03:06 CopCake wrote: Marv, I have a question.
If we were playing another game and you have a wagon on you and then I come and say “Hey marv is town because of this and this and this” would you lock me as 100% town?
I think you know the answer - no. But if your reasons are good it can help. Context is all important as it could be mafia looking for cred.
Because Palmar defends DP for that reason…
I don’t know how to go down this rabbit hole haha. It’s natural to think someone defending you is townie. Especially when pressure is high.
You sort of defended me yesterday. I do not think that makes you town at all.
But to get to the actual point - I also think the way how Palmar celebrated that DP post was unwarranted. You think that was genuine?
I don’t think anything of it either way. People always get on Palmar for all sorts of things. Last game is a great example. So ,any reasons Palmar was mafia, none of them I cared about because I thought he was town.
This game is less clear cut for me, but I’m still not likely going to think palmar is mafia for reasons other people do
On March 07 2024 12:00 DarthPunk wrote: Darthpunk's last will and testament.
Basically I have been trying to sort people since the flips and my reads have been changing a bit. but i'll post a brief summary here as guidance and reads.
And also so that i can prevent what I think are some of the biggest potential errors moving forward.
Do not lynch tier:
Palmar: He has looked really town since he started playing in the second part of day 1, in addition to my original reasons for not wanting him to be lynched (mindmeld with sandro, emotional congruence, effort to post reads when all was looking doomed) I think he has continued to look good, I find myself agreeing with his perspectives, I see hints of trolling, I think him and marv are vibing.
The interaction with cake's shit takes was really townie to me.
IT IS IMPORTANT YOU DON"T LYNCH PALMAR- can't stress this enough, no idea why people are getting stuck on small shit that doesn't matter, for example, rayn if you are town, it is well known that palmar doesn't do associative reads. The whole mason shit is a useless direction. This is probably the biggest throw for town imo.
Sandro
Is just getting down to business scumhunting and sorting. I think he is the best player to sheep this game if you are lost.
Oatsmaster
His play this game reminds me of his play in the last game where he was town, he is being smart, pushing in good directions and generally looks super town to me.
Vivax
Been discussed to death, he is the town JK in my opinion.
Perfection
Looked town all game pretty much, some of his takes I think are wrong, I think he looked really town around the lynch.
Also his scum play was terribad last time so I don't think this is that.
Probably town tier
Koshi
I was debating putting him in the tier above, because he has looked really townie all game, and dramatically different to his mafia game, which was really lackluster.
I don't think he pushes marv and rayn in the way he did as mafia.
There are a couple of things that give me pause to him being 'lock' town, first of all is a post where he is aggressively pushing rayn and then kind of completely reverses
On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread.
I admit I came in too strong. But rereading it, it was too strong but luckily not over the top. But it is fair you got annoyed.
Seeing my case and my post you must understand why I can't let you be Mayor right? It's just not enough to earn it. Vivax did you dirty by claiming but there should not be a competition about the Mayor today. Can you vote vivax? You are 99.98% on him.
I am interested in your reads on JAT and Rels. Just for my sake. Because I will not be able to read them today.
I think it makes it clear the aggression was at least somewhat ingenuine.
I still think he is town but yeah not as confident as I was, also don't like the casually mentioning me as a possible mafia candidate after it seemed like I was lock town all game, but maybe that was NK wifom. :D
I am waiting for a 'smart' koshi moment and push which I haven't seen yet.
Rayn
Honestly this was a hard one for me to sort, there are times when i thought he was town and other times where I thought he was mafia.
I still don't really understand the way he has been interacting with me this game, it felt 'different' than normal. I thought it made him mafia, but currently I am putting it down to the fact he just thinks I am bad.
I think his best moments came this night when he went into 'solver mode' with JAT. and I think he had a really good push on cake, and subsequent ideas on DMB which I think are likely correct.
So town, the palmar/rayn shit started looking very TvT to me too. so there is that.
I don't think he is as correct as he assumes (like every game) but town.
Slam
Un CC'd cop (fuck you VE ) also looked town around the end of day chaos.
Marv
Has been playing a solid game so far, in the back of my mind I always think he is mafia for engagement tells, but when I was wrong last game I decided to shelve that as old meta. I think he is mafia he will slip up later, It's kind of weird for town!marv to not call me mafia but i don't really think he is mafia either. Biggest town tell for him I think is his penchant for defending weaker scummy players like copcake.
Also the shit with trfel, where he was really sad about reading the lynch, and the town read on hapa, both those pinged me as genuine and townie.
Possible mafia/possible town
Rels:
He has looked logical when he posts, but his wasted vote and push on palmar was a big red flag where it was useless and he wasn't really trying that hard to take thread control and change the lynch.
lack of investment could be explained by IRL matters, but I also think Rels could be mafia.
Also I remember him being WAY more aggressive as town. Like old school DP levels of aggression. Here he is just reasonable and meh.
MZ
I feel like he has been flying under the radar a bit, I liked his push on Cake, I liked his push on JSL less.
Calling me never lynch tier could be a possible pocketing attempt but also could be just because I tend to call him town when noone else does and we have vibed a few times this game.
Needs to do more for sure.
Jealous
Most likely to be scum out of these. i liked the open and transparent reasoning in his list post. I think he has looked worse ever since. The formulaic waffle of both sides of an argument is easy to just go through the motions with as mafia. The way he is hard defending me from people also pings me a bit. I can defend myself, why is he not considering those arguments for why I am mafia? Could be a pocketing attempt.
TTS: Lurker. JAT:
Looked really bad for the reasons outlined earlier by sandro and palmar day one.
I just don't think it makes sense he is mafia if palmar and trfel were town, he did this thing where he waited to swap to trefl even when i threatened to lynch him for it.
Doesn't really make sense for mafia to do that.
His posting has been looking good recently in its own right, particularly when interacting with Marv/Rayn
Mafia tier
DMB: The vote and case on me gave me pause for a bit, because of the WIFOM argument of why she would do it, but then refusing to give reads refusing to engage, talking about how exhausted I made her, all points to mafia, and then she actually immediately USED the WIFOM argument in her own defence.
Basically I think her and Cake are partnered, their push on me is basically the same, and they have waffled on their reads of each other. Kind of calling each other scummy and kind of not, and then kind of ignoring each other, but they both have the same top scum read since early on so none of that is natural or normal if they are both town. Looks like classic distancing to me.
I think DMB is showing the same traits this game as her previous game where she just tunnelled palmar IIRC and couldn't really form any other reads about the game.
Same thing here, I was trying to see if she had thought about anyone else, but no.
In her world 26 page DP is scum but she doesn't have the ability to scum read anyone else.
I don;t buy that at all.
Cake
I am running out of time so I can't grab the posts, but I think rayn was on the right track here at night.
She apparently has 4 scum reads but can only talk about me, same thing happened in her last scum read, just got tunnelled on 1-2 players and didn;t look elsewhere.
I gave her space to see if she would do something else, but she ended up just talking about me some more, all the things that apply to dmb re:cake above apply to cake re: dmb here.
I think marv is being super unhelpful by defending her when she is slipping really really hard.
JSL:
Lack of suspicion, didnt do anything with the encouragement on the koshi slip.
Soft defending DMB.
All the stuff sandro posted.
Also I forgot he told me before he would be engaged as mafia, so the engagement is a null tell for him.
VE
I really hate this but he just looks scummy and disengaged. I hope I am wrong so I don;t have to lynch him but I don;t think I am wrong, I think he is just mafia which sucks.
Ok one minute to go.
GL if I don;t see you on the other side.
You deffended Jacob ALL DAY and NIGHT and now he is mafia?
On March 07 2024 12:00 DarthPunk wrote: Darthpunk's last will and testament.
Basically I have been trying to sort people since the flips and my reads have been changing a bit. but i'll post a brief summary here as guidance and reads.
And also so that i can prevent what I think are some of the biggest potential errors moving forward.
Do not lynch tier:
Palmar: He has looked really town since he started playing in the second part of day 1, in addition to my original reasons for not wanting him to be lynched (mindmeld with sandro, emotional congruence, effort to post reads when all was looking doomed) I think he has continued to look good, I find myself agreeing with his perspectives, I see hints of trolling, I think him and marv are vibing.
The interaction with cake's shit takes was really townie to me.
IT IS IMPORTANT YOU DON"T LYNCH PALMAR- can't stress this enough, no idea why people are getting stuck on small shit that doesn't matter, for example, rayn if you are town, it is well known that palmar doesn't do associative reads. The whole mason shit is a useless direction. This is probably the biggest throw for town imo.
Sandro
Is just getting down to business scumhunting and sorting. I think he is the best player to sheep this game if you are lost.
Oatsmaster
His play this game reminds me of his play in the last game where he was town, he is being smart, pushing in good directions and generally looks super town to me.
Vivax
Been discussed to death, he is the town JK in my opinion.
Perfection
Looked town all game pretty much, some of his takes I think are wrong, I think he looked really town around the lynch.
Also his scum play was terribad last time so I don't think this is that.
Probably town tier
Koshi
I was debating putting him in the tier above, because he has looked really townie all game, and dramatically different to his mafia game, which was really lackluster.
I don't think he pushes marv and rayn in the way he did as mafia.
There are a couple of things that give me pause to him being 'lock' town, first of all is a post where he is aggressively pushing rayn and then kind of completely reverses
On March 05 2024 20:37 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread.
I admit I came in too strong. But rereading it, it was too strong but luckily not over the top. But it is fair you got annoyed.
Seeing my case and my post you must understand why I can't let you be Mayor right? It's just not enough to earn it. Vivax did you dirty by claiming but there should not be a competition about the Mayor today. Can you vote vivax? You are 99.98% on him.
I am interested in your reads on JAT and Rels. Just for my sake. Because I will not be able to read them today.
I think it makes it clear the aggression was at least somewhat ingenuine.
I still think he is town but yeah not as confident as I was, also don't like the casually mentioning me as a possible mafia candidate after it seemed like I was lock town all game, but maybe that was NK wifom. :D
I am waiting for a 'smart' koshi moment and push which I haven't seen yet.
Rayn
Honestly this was a hard one for me to sort, there are times when i thought he was town and other times where I thought he was mafia.
I still don't really understand the way he has been interacting with me this game, it felt 'different' than normal. I thought it made him mafia, but currently I am putting it down to the fact he just thinks I am bad.
I think his best moments came this night when he went into 'solver mode' with JAT. and I think he had a really good push on cake, and subsequent ideas on DMB which I think are likely correct.
So town, the palmar/rayn shit started looking very TvT to me too. so there is that.
I don't think he is as correct as he assumes (like every game) but town.
Slam
Un CC'd cop (fuck you VE ) also looked town around the end of day chaos.
Marv
Has been playing a solid game so far, in the back of my mind I always think he is mafia for engagement tells, but when I was wrong last game I decided to shelve that as old meta. I think he is mafia he will slip up later, It's kind of weird for town!marv to not call me mafia but i don't really think he is mafia either. Biggest town tell for him I think is his penchant for defending weaker scummy players like copcake.
Also the shit with trfel, where he was really sad about reading the lynch, and the town read on hapa, both those pinged me as genuine and townie.
Possible mafia/possible town
Rels:
He has looked logical when he posts, but his wasted vote and push on palmar was a big red flag where it was useless and he wasn't really trying that hard to take thread control and change the lynch.
lack of investment could be explained by IRL matters, but I also think Rels could be mafia.
Also I remember him being WAY more aggressive as town. Like old school DP levels of aggression. Here he is just reasonable and meh.
MZ
I feel like he has been flying under the radar a bit, I liked his push on Cake, I liked his push on JSL less.
Calling me never lynch tier could be a possible pocketing attempt but also could be just because I tend to call him town when noone else does and we have vibed a few times this game.
Needs to do more for sure.
Jealous
Most likely to be scum out of these. i liked the open and transparent reasoning in his list post. I think he has looked worse ever since. The formulaic waffle of both sides of an argument is easy to just go through the motions with as mafia. The way he is hard defending me from people also pings me a bit. I can defend myself, why is he not considering those arguments for why I am mafia? Could be a pocketing attempt.
TTS: Lurker. JAT:
Looked really bad for the reasons outlined earlier by sandro and palmar day one.
I just don't think it makes sense he is mafia if palmar and trfel were town, he did this thing where he waited to swap to trefl even when i threatened to lynch him for it.
Doesn't really make sense for mafia to do that.
His posting has been looking good recently in its own right, particularly when interacting with Marv/Rayn
Mafia tier
DMB: The vote and case on me gave me pause for a bit, because of the WIFOM argument of why she would do it, but then refusing to give reads refusing to engage, talking about how exhausted I made her, all points to mafia, and then she actually immediately USED the WIFOM argument in her own defence.
Basically I think her and Cake are partnered, their push on me is basically the same, and they have waffled on their reads of each other. Kind of calling each other scummy and kind of not, and then kind of ignoring each other, but they both have the same top scum read since early on so none of that is natural or normal if they are both town. Looks like classic distancing to me.
I think DMB is showing the same traits this game as her previous game where she just tunnelled palmar IIRC and couldn't really form any other reads about the game.
Same thing here, I was trying to see if she had thought about anyone else, but no.
In her world 26 page DP is scum but she doesn't have the ability to scum read anyone else.
I don;t buy that at all.
Cake
I am running out of time so I can't grab the posts, but I think rayn was on the right track here at night.
She apparently has 4 scum reads but can only talk about me, same thing happened in her last scum read, just got tunnelled on 1-2 players and didn;t look elsewhere.
I gave her space to see if she would do something else, but she ended up just talking about me some more, all the things that apply to dmb re:cake above apply to cake re: dmb here.
I think marv is being super unhelpful by defending her when she is slipping really really hard.
JSL:
Lack of suspicion, didnt do anything with the encouragement on the koshi slip.
Soft defending DMB.
All the stuff sandro posted.
Also I forgot he told me before he would be engaged as mafia, so the engagement is a null tell for him.
VE
I really hate this but he just looks scummy and disengaged. I hope I am wrong so I don;t have to lynch him but I don;t think I am wrong, I think he is just mafia which sucks.
Ok one minute to go.
GL if I don;t see you on the other side.
You deffended Jacob ALL DAY and NIGHT and now he is mafia?
Did I do that?
I don't think that is accurate.
Also I play wifom games ALL night just so you can let your buddies know
On March 07 2024 12:00 DarthPunk wrote: Darthpunk's last will and testament.
Basically I have been trying to sort people since the flips and my reads have been changing a bit. but i'll post a brief summary here as guidance and reads.
And also so that i can prevent what I think are some of the biggest potential errors moving forward.
Do not lynch tier:
Palmar: He has looked really town since he started playing in the second part of day 1, in addition to my original reasons for not wanting him to be lynched (mindmeld with sandro, emotional congruence, effort to post reads when all was looking doomed) I think he has continued to look good, I find myself agreeing with his perspectives, I see hints of trolling, I think him and marv are vibing.
The interaction with cake's shit takes was really townie to me.
IT IS IMPORTANT YOU DON"T LYNCH PALMAR- can't stress this enough, no idea why people are getting stuck on small shit that doesn't matter, for example, rayn if you are town, it is well known that palmar doesn't do associative reads. The whole mason shit is a useless direction. This is probably the biggest throw for town imo.
Sandro
Is just getting down to business scumhunting and sorting. I think he is the best player to sheep this game if you are lost.
Oatsmaster
His play this game reminds me of his play in the last game where he was town, he is being smart, pushing in good directions and generally looks super town to me.
Vivax
Been discussed to death, he is the town JK in my opinion.
Perfection
Looked town all game pretty much, some of his takes I think are wrong, I think he looked really town around the lynch.
Also his scum play was terribad last time so I don't think this is that.
Probably town tier
Koshi
I was debating putting him in the tier above, because he has looked really townie all game, and dramatically different to his mafia game, which was really lackluster.
I don't think he pushes marv and rayn in the way he did as mafia.
There are a couple of things that give me pause to him being 'lock' town, first of all is a post where he is aggressively pushing rayn and then kind of completely reverses
On March 05 2024 20:37 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread.
I admit I came in too strong. But rereading it, it was too strong but luckily not over the top. But it is fair you got annoyed.
Seeing my case and my post you must understand why I can't let you be Mayor right? It's just not enough to earn it. Vivax did you dirty by claiming but there should not be a competition about the Mayor today. Can you vote vivax? You are 99.98% on him.
I am interested in your reads on JAT and Rels. Just for my sake. Because I will not be able to read them today.
I think it makes it clear the aggression was at least somewhat ingenuine.
I still think he is town but yeah not as confident as I was, also don't like the casually mentioning me as a possible mafia candidate after it seemed like I was lock town all game, but maybe that was NK wifom. :D
I am waiting for a 'smart' koshi moment and push which I haven't seen yet.
Rayn
Honestly this was a hard one for me to sort, there are times when i thought he was town and other times where I thought he was mafia.
I still don't really understand the way he has been interacting with me this game, it felt 'different' than normal. I thought it made him mafia, but currently I am putting it down to the fact he just thinks I am bad.
I think his best moments came this night when he went into 'solver mode' with JAT. and I think he had a really good push on cake, and subsequent ideas on DMB which I think are likely correct.
So town, the palmar/rayn shit started looking very TvT to me too. so there is that.
I don't think he is as correct as he assumes (like every game) but town.
Slam
Un CC'd cop (fuck you VE ) also looked town around the end of day chaos.
Marv
Has been playing a solid game so far, in the back of my mind I always think he is mafia for engagement tells, but when I was wrong last game I decided to shelve that as old meta. I think he is mafia he will slip up later, It's kind of weird for town!marv to not call me mafia but i don't really think he is mafia either. Biggest town tell for him I think is his penchant for defending weaker scummy players like copcake.
Also the shit with trfel, where he was really sad about reading the lynch, and the town read on hapa, both those pinged me as genuine and townie.
Possible mafia/possible town
Rels:
He has looked logical when he posts, but his wasted vote and push on palmar was a big red flag where it was useless and he wasn't really trying that hard to take thread control and change the lynch.
lack of investment could be explained by IRL matters, but I also think Rels could be mafia.
Also I remember him being WAY more aggressive as town. Like old school DP levels of aggression. Here he is just reasonable and meh.
MZ
I feel like he has been flying under the radar a bit, I liked his push on Cake, I liked his push on JSL less.
Calling me never lynch tier could be a possible pocketing attempt but also could be just because I tend to call him town when noone else does and we have vibed a few times this game.
Needs to do more for sure.
Jealous
Most likely to be scum out of these. i liked the open and transparent reasoning in his list post. I think he has looked worse ever since. The formulaic waffle of both sides of an argument is easy to just go through the motions with as mafia. The way he is hard defending me from people also pings me a bit. I can defend myself, why is he not considering those arguments for why I am mafia? Could be a pocketing attempt.
TTS: Lurker. JAT:
Looked really bad for the reasons outlined earlier by sandro and palmar day one.
I just don't think it makes sense he is mafia if palmar and trfel were town, he did this thing where he waited to swap to trefl even when i threatened to lynch him for it.
Doesn't really make sense for mafia to do that.
His posting has been looking good recently in its own right, particularly when interacting with Marv/Rayn
Mafia tier
DMB: The vote and case on me gave me pause for a bit, because of the WIFOM argument of why she would do it, but then refusing to give reads refusing to engage, talking about how exhausted I made her, all points to mafia, and then she actually immediately USED the WIFOM argument in her own defence.
Basically I think her and Cake are partnered, their push on me is basically the same, and they have waffled on their reads of each other. Kind of calling each other scummy and kind of not, and then kind of ignoring each other, but they both have the same top scum read since early on so none of that is natural or normal if they are both town. Looks like classic distancing to me.
I think DMB is showing the same traits this game as her previous game where she just tunnelled palmar IIRC and couldn't really form any other reads about the game.
Same thing here, I was trying to see if she had thought about anyone else, but no.
In her world 26 page DP is scum but she doesn't have the ability to scum read anyone else.
I don;t buy that at all.
Cake
I am running out of time so I can't grab the posts, but I think rayn was on the right track here at night.
She apparently has 4 scum reads but can only talk about me, same thing happened in her last scum read, just got tunnelled on 1-2 players and didn;t look elsewhere.
I gave her space to see if she would do something else, but she ended up just talking about me some more, all the things that apply to dmb re:cake above apply to cake re: dmb here.
I think marv is being super unhelpful by defending her when she is slipping really really hard.
JSL:
Lack of suspicion, didnt do anything with the encouragement on the koshi slip.
Soft defending DMB.
All the stuff sandro posted.
Also I forgot he told me before he would be engaged as mafia, so the engagement is a null tell for him.
VE
I really hate this but he just looks scummy and disengaged. I hope I am wrong so I don;t have to lynch him but I don;t think I am wrong, I think he is just mafia which sucks.
Ok one minute to go.
GL if I don;t see you on the other side.
You deffended Jacob ALL DAY and NIGHT and now he is mafia?
On March 07 2024 12:00 DarthPunk wrote: Darthpunk's last will and testament.
Basically I have been trying to sort people since the flips and my reads have been changing a bit. but i'll post a brief summary here as guidance and reads.
And also so that i can prevent what I think are some of the biggest potential errors moving forward.
Do not lynch tier:
Palmar: He has looked really town since he started playing in the second part of day 1, in addition to my original reasons for not wanting him to be lynched (mindmeld with sandro, emotional congruence, effort to post reads when all was looking doomed) I think he has continued to look good, I find myself agreeing with his perspectives, I see hints of trolling, I think him and marv are vibing.
The interaction with cake's shit takes was really townie to me.
IT IS IMPORTANT YOU DON"T LYNCH PALMAR- can't stress this enough, no idea why people are getting stuck on small shit that doesn't matter, for example, rayn if you are town, it is well known that palmar doesn't do associative reads. The whole mason shit is a useless direction. This is probably the biggest throw for town imo.
Sandro
Is just getting down to business scumhunting and sorting. I think he is the best player to sheep this game if you are lost.
Oatsmaster
His play this game reminds me of his play in the last game where he was town, he is being smart, pushing in good directions and generally looks super town to me.
Vivax
Been discussed to death, he is the town JK in my opinion.
Perfection
Looked town all game pretty much, some of his takes I think are wrong, I think he looked really town around the lynch.
Also his scum play was terribad last time so I don't think this is that.
Probably town tier
Koshi
I was debating putting him in the tier above, because he has looked really townie all game, and dramatically different to his mafia game, which was really lackluster.
I don't think he pushes marv and rayn in the way he did as mafia.
There are a couple of things that give me pause to him being 'lock' town, first of all is a post where he is aggressively pushing rayn and then kind of completely reverses
On March 05 2024 20:37 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread.
I admit I came in too strong. But rereading it, it was too strong but luckily not over the top. But it is fair you got annoyed.
Seeing my case and my post you must understand why I can't let you be Mayor right? It's just not enough to earn it. Vivax did you dirty by claiming but there should not be a competition about the Mayor today. Can you vote vivax? You are 99.98% on him.
I am interested in your reads on JAT and Rels. Just for my sake. Because I will not be able to read them today.
I think it makes it clear the aggression was at least somewhat ingenuine.
I still think he is town but yeah not as confident as I was, also don't like the casually mentioning me as a possible mafia candidate after it seemed like I was lock town all game, but maybe that was NK wifom. :D
I am waiting for a 'smart' koshi moment and push which I haven't seen yet.
Rayn
Honestly this was a hard one for me to sort, there are times when i thought he was town and other times where I thought he was mafia.
I still don't really understand the way he has been interacting with me this game, it felt 'different' than normal. I thought it made him mafia, but currently I am putting it down to the fact he just thinks I am bad.
I think his best moments came this night when he went into 'solver mode' with JAT. and I think he had a really good push on cake, and subsequent ideas on DMB which I think are likely correct.
So town, the palmar/rayn shit started looking very TvT to me too. so there is that.
I don't think he is as correct as he assumes (like every game) but town.
Slam
Un CC'd cop (fuck you VE ) also looked town around the end of day chaos.
Marv
Has been playing a solid game so far, in the back of my mind I always think he is mafia for engagement tells, but when I was wrong last game I decided to shelve that as old meta. I think he is mafia he will slip up later, It's kind of weird for town!marv to not call me mafia but i don't really think he is mafia either. Biggest town tell for him I think is his penchant for defending weaker scummy players like copcake.
Also the shit with trfel, where he was really sad about reading the lynch, and the town read on hapa, both those pinged me as genuine and townie.
Possible mafia/possible town
Rels:
He has looked logical when he posts, but his wasted vote and push on palmar was a big red flag where it was useless and he wasn't really trying that hard to take thread control and change the lynch.
lack of investment could be explained by IRL matters, but I also think Rels could be mafia.
Also I remember him being WAY more aggressive as town. Like old school DP levels of aggression. Here he is just reasonable and meh.
MZ
I feel like he has been flying under the radar a bit, I liked his push on Cake, I liked his push on JSL less.
Calling me never lynch tier could be a possible pocketing attempt but also could be just because I tend to call him town when noone else does and we have vibed a few times this game.
Needs to do more for sure.
Jealous
Most likely to be scum out of these. i liked the open and transparent reasoning in his list post. I think he has looked worse ever since. The formulaic waffle of both sides of an argument is easy to just go through the motions with as mafia. The way he is hard defending me from people also pings me a bit. I can defend myself, why is he not considering those arguments for why I am mafia? Could be a pocketing attempt.
TTS: Lurker. JAT:
Looked really bad for the reasons outlined earlier by sandro and palmar day one.
I just don't think it makes sense he is mafia if palmar and trfel were town, he did this thing where he waited to swap to trefl even when i threatened to lynch him for it.
Doesn't really make sense for mafia to do that.
His posting has been looking good recently in its own right, particularly when interacting with Marv/Rayn
Mafia tier
DMB: The vote and case on me gave me pause for a bit, because of the WIFOM argument of why she would do it, but then refusing to give reads refusing to engage, talking about how exhausted I made her, all points to mafia, and then she actually immediately USED the WIFOM argument in her own defence.
Basically I think her and Cake are partnered, their push on me is basically the same, and they have waffled on their reads of each other. Kind of calling each other scummy and kind of not, and then kind of ignoring each other, but they both have the same top scum read since early on so none of that is natural or normal if they are both town. Looks like classic distancing to me.
I think DMB is showing the same traits this game as her previous game where she just tunnelled palmar IIRC and couldn't really form any other reads about the game.
Same thing here, I was trying to see if she had thought about anyone else, but no.
In her world 26 page DP is scum but she doesn't have the ability to scum read anyone else.
I don;t buy that at all.
Cake
I am running out of time so I can't grab the posts, but I think rayn was on the right track here at night.
She apparently has 4 scum reads but can only talk about me, same thing happened in her last scum read, just got tunnelled on 1-2 players and didn;t look elsewhere.
I gave her space to see if she would do something else, but she ended up just talking about me some more, all the things that apply to dmb re:cake above apply to cake re: dmb here.
I think marv is being super unhelpful by defending her when she is slipping really really hard.
JSL:
Lack of suspicion, didnt do anything with the encouragement on the koshi slip.
Soft defending DMB.
All the stuff sandro posted.
Also I forgot he told me before he would be engaged as mafia, so the engagement is a null tell for him.
VE
I really hate this but he just looks scummy and disengaged. I hope I am wrong so I don;t have to lynch him but I don;t think I am wrong, I think he is just mafia which sucks.
Ok one minute to go.
GL if I don;t see you on the other side.
You deffended Jacob ALL DAY and NIGHT and now he is mafia?
Did I do that?
I don't think that is accurate.
Also I play wifom games ALL night just so you can let your buddies know
You even deffended the “koshi slip”
I really don´t know if cake is mafia and knows I am town and wants to help me a to handle my scum thougths on dp as compassion or if she is just Town and has kinda the same thougths as me
I am my own person and i think is pretty obvious I have my own reads.
Three positive souls that like to spam random stuff on the thread
And VE who is afk
How convenient.
Once again, same old same old same old you think I am mafia all the time and start lynches on people like Tfrel. I wonder why? If you have that much power, why didnt you start a lynch on me? You have been suspecting me all the time.
On March 07 2024 12:24 DarthPunk wrote: ANNOUNCEMENT TOWN
I have been given a Vig shot in the night.
I intend to VIG TTS.
whoa whoa whoa so we allegedly have 4 blues. 3 really strong ones and one weak one ?
Is gunsmith that weak>
So you aren't scared of a rollblocker? I guess jailkeeper is still alive... not sure why you wouldn't keep that quiet until night.
YES I KNOW I FORGOT ABOUT A ROLEBLOCKER
I'm over here facepalming. Although that does seem like a town move to make.
Okay thoughts town should gunsmith claim now? No reason not to right?
Fuck no
They can give more guns away
Btw baby boy, why did you pick Oats of all people?
Because I was 99% I'mma be dead
Might as well know whether the pedantic stuff was real or not before I go to obs. I was expecting to banter with Grack about "I don't wanna be spoiled except Oats alignment so I can troll obs" but
On March 07 2024 13:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Copcake is there a realm in your mind in which both Slam and Oats are scum or Slam is scum and for some reason trying to go for a 1for1 trade?
So you aren't scared of a rollblocker? I guess jailkeeper is still alive... not sure why you wouldn't keep that quiet until night.
YES I KNOW I FORGOT ABOUT A ROLEBLOCKER
I'm over here facepalming. Although that does seem like a town move to make.
Okay thoughts town should gunsmith claim now? No reason not to right?
Fuck no
They can give more guns away
Btw baby boy, why did you pick Oats of all people?
Because I was 99% I'mma be dead
Might as well know whether the pedantic stuff was real or not before I go to obs. I was expecting to banter with Grack about "I don't wanna be spoiled except Oats alignment so I can troll obs" but
Well
Here I am
Where was Oats Pedantic?
Hijole
You know what pedantic means, I presume?
Oats was pedantic with regard to YOU
🤣
I dont think he was 🤔 I would have gotten mad otherwise.
Ie. I found jelaous more pedantic.
I would assume you would go for someone like rayn, but it makes sense that if you were about to die you picked Oats.
I would assume it also makes sense for mafia Oats to kill rayn.
If mafia, for some reason assumed you were cop, they would believe you would visit someone else so i think oats is not framed.
Miller? Idk if it would be balanced to have framer and miller in the same game.
If I am a Disney character, probably Milo? Or fucking Baloo in Tailspin, except running a school and not a plane. Bitter impoverished tax man hater and everything. .oh yeah and my side job as a fat trucker yes 100% Baloo.
On March 07 2024 12:41 DarthPunk wrote: why did mafia not shoot slam, or even roleblock him?
My current hypothesis is they have a framer and felt good about him checking me
God damn it, he is good, he has me wifoming myself to death. I am almost considering unvote
And then copcake starts pouring on the pressure. Like the only way Oats survives the day if he's scum is if his team can somehow get people to doubt the check. It doesn't matter the reasons for the doubt but enough people overthink a red check, oats could wiggle out.
I ask those questions to clear every possible scenario. But Slam/Oats mafia together is not happening.
Slam’s choice of Oats seemed weird but I liked Slam’s answer.
It makes sense and fits his persona. (Even tho I dont think Oats was being pedantic)
Besides Slam doing whole “i am a lying cop” doesnt fit his personality either.
I'm over here facepalming. Although that does seem like a town move to make.
Okay thoughts town should gunsmith claim now? No reason not to right?
Fuck no
They can give more guns away
Btw baby boy, why did you pick Oats of all people?
Because I was 99% I'mma be dead
Might as well know whether the pedantic stuff was real or not before I go to obs. I was expecting to banter with Grack about "I don't wanna be spoiled except Oats alignment so I can troll obs" but
Well
Here I am
Where was Oats Pedantic?
Hijole
You know what pedantic means, I presume?
Oats was pedantic with regard to YOU
🤣
I dont think he was 🤔 I would have gotten mad otherwise.
Ie. I found jelaous more pedantic.
I would assume you would go for someone like rayn, but it makes sense that if you were about to die you picked Oats.
I would assume it also makes sense for mafia Oats to kill rayn.
If mafia, for some reason assumed you were cop, they would believe you would visit someone else so i think oats is not framed.
Miller? Idk if it would be balanced to have framer and miller in the same game.
@marv / koshi
In balance talk, what do you think of this?
Yet more doubt on the check from you.
Miller has been discussed on the thread. Idk what is the problem there?
On March 07 2024 17:25 CopCake wrote: And I think this makes Marv lock town.
Why?
Because rayn was believing i was mafia and marv convinced him of the opposite.
Marvmafia wouldnt do that I think.
Thought you didn’t townread people for defending you
There is more context here, it is not only that.
- you and rayn interactions - you deffending me - you being honest saying rayn told you he was JOAT - you trying to solve the game, calming people etc.
On March 07 2024 23:05 Koshi wrote: Ok. So we believe slam is town?
This is not even questioned from my part.
1.- Slam´s personality is not the kind of the - plays - 2.- He is very stressed, I think he already shared that and joined last minute. 3.- His reasons to visit Oats makes sense. Even tho I dont consider he was being rude per se I understand why he could see it like that. 4.- Slam is not the kind to kill his - friends -, remember the game he kept chezinu alive? I think from these player base Rayn is probably his favorite person, I know mafia slam could be in a team BUT see points 1,2,3.
On March 08 2024 02:23 Koshi wrote: If you want my opinion: rayn: because ve and or Palmar are mafia. I think mafia wouldn't kill rayn over marv if it wasnt the reads. Marv has way more pull in the thread. (Supertinfoil. Cuz marv is mafia and rayn claimed to him)
I forgot thz second kill lol. I am going insane.
You need to consider Mafia either didnt believe Slam´s claim or were more afraid of Rayn / Sandro
On March 08 2024 02:23 Koshi wrote: If you want my opinion: rayn: because ve and or Palmar are mafia. I think mafia wouldn't kill rayn over marv if it wasnt the reads. Marv has way more pull in the thread. (Supertinfoil. Cuz marv is mafia and rayn claimed to him)
I forgot thz second kill lol. I am going insane.
You need to consider Mafia either didnt believe Slam´s claim or were more afraid of Rayn / Sandro
Yeah. Why not shoot slam. Would mafia have known rayn was blue? Because that would make it less likely slam also is blue?
But then marv is mafia.
I do not think they knew Rayn was blue, unless somehow, they kinda figure out because Rayn wanted to run for mayor? But Rayn is like that and likes the spotlight, I wouldnt have guessed he was blue lol.
So it is more of afraid of later game.
Rayn once told me to kill always the strong players first, so I am going to assume that at least "an old school" is there.
On March 08 2024 02:23 Koshi wrote: If you want my opinion: rayn: because ve and or Palmar are mafia. I think mafia wouldn't kill rayn over marv if it wasnt the reads. Marv has way more pull in the thread. (Supertinfoil. Cuz marv is mafia and rayn claimed to him)
I forgot thz second kill lol. I am going insane.
You need to consider Mafia either didnt believe Slam´s claim or were more afraid of Rayn / Sandro
Yeah. Why not shoot slam. Would mafia have known rayn was blue? Because that would make it less likely slam also is blue?
But then marv is mafia.
That's the tricky part. Sandro and rayn are both solid shots on their own. I agree rayn either because of his reads or because Marv is mafia (doubtful). Sandro had a very strong position since he was backed by Marv almost unconditionally. But why would they ever let the claimed cop live? Not even role blocking him?
This is the tricky thing.
I think mafia is pretty narcissistic and do not consider Slam dangerous.
It makes a bit of sense since I would assume Slam would visit Rayn, me or marv. @Slam: I am correct in that? Who would you have visited?
On March 08 2024 02:23 Koshi wrote: If you want my opinion: rayn: because ve and or Palmar are mafia. I think mafia wouldn't kill rayn over marv if it wasnt the reads. Marv has way more pull in the thread. (Supertinfoil. Cuz marv is mafia and rayn claimed to him)
I forgot thz second kill lol. I am going insane.
You need to consider Mafia either didnt believe Slam´s claim or were more afraid of Rayn / Sandro
Yeah. Why not shoot slam. Would mafia have known rayn was blue? Because that would make it less likely slam also is blue?
But then marv is mafia.
That's the tricky part. Sandro and rayn are both solid shots on their own. I agree rayn either because of his reads or because Marv is mafia (doubtful). Sandro had a very strong position since he was backed by Marv almost unconditionally. But why would they ever let the claimed cop live? Not even role blocking him?
This is the tricky thing.
I think mafia is pretty narcissistic and do not consider Slam dangerous.
It makes a bit of sense since I would assume Slam would visit Rayn, me or marv. @Slam: I am correct in that? Who would you have visited?
What do you mean would have visited? He DID visit somebody... and it would have to be a pretty stupid mafia team since it really doesn't matter who is getting the checks.
Well, actually, Idk how the whispers thing works, do you get a pm in the day telling you that you can invite someone on discord or do you get it during the night?
On March 08 2024 02:23 Koshi wrote: If you want my opinion: rayn: because ve and or Palmar are mafia. I think mafia wouldn't kill rayn over marv if it wasnt the reads. Marv has way more pull in the thread. (Supertinfoil. Cuz marv is mafia and rayn claimed to him)
I forgot thz second kill lol. I am going insane.
You need to consider Mafia either didnt believe Slam´s claim or were more afraid of Rayn / Sandro
Yeah. Why not shoot slam. Would mafia have known rayn was blue? Because that would make it less likely slam also is blue?
But then marv is mafia.
That's the tricky part. Sandro and rayn are both solid shots on their own. I agree rayn either because of his reads or because Marv is mafia (doubtful). Sandro had a very strong position since he was backed by Marv almost unconditionally. But why would they ever let the claimed cop live? Not even role blocking him?
This is the tricky thing.
I think mafia is pretty narcissistic and do not consider Slam dangerous.
It makes a bit of sense since I would assume Slam would visit Rayn, me or marv. @Slam: I am correct in that? Who would you have visited?
What do you mean would have visited? He DID visit somebody... and it would have to be a pretty stupid mafia team since it really doesn't matter who is getting the checks.
On March 08 2024 02:23 Koshi wrote: If you want my opinion: rayn: because ve and or Palmar are mafia. I think mafia wouldn't kill rayn over marv if it wasnt the reads. Marv has way more pull in the thread. (Supertinfoil. Cuz marv is mafia and rayn claimed to him)
I forgot thz second kill lol. I am going insane.
You need to consider Mafia either didnt believe Slam´s claim or were more afraid of Rayn / Sandro
Yeah. Why not shoot slam. Would mafia have known rayn was blue? Because that would make it less likely slam also is blue?
But then marv is mafia.
That's the tricky part. Sandro and rayn are both solid shots on their own. I agree rayn either because of his reads or because Marv is mafia (doubtful). Sandro had a very strong position since he was backed by Marv almost unconditionally. But why would they ever let the claimed cop live? Not even role blocking him?
This is the tricky thing.
I think mafia is pretty narcissistic and do not consider Slam dangerous.
It makes a bit of sense since I would assume Slam would visit Rayn, me or marv. @Slam: I am correct in that? Who would you have visited?
What do you mean would have visited? He DID visit somebody... and it would have to be a pretty stupid mafia team since it really doesn't matter who is getting the checks.
Instead of Oats, sorry if my english is bad.
OH yeah I said that already, DP
D:
I am not a Slam expert.
I am very very rarely blue. I haven't formed a blue meta yet
If marv is mafia and knew rayn will doct slam, then he could have just blocked rayn and kill slam and rayn (assuming both night kills were mafia, I dont have a head to read night actions atm, zombie mode)
With 8 votes, Trfel is currently set to be lynched!
Let me know if you see any votes misplaced
The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 06 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
I‘m staring at the VC under the assumption he‘s mafia and realizing that Trfel must have been high priority wagon for mafia. High concentration of potential baddies.
You can do it during the day, but after I flip town
DP mafia, always.
He is literally too obsessed with me, nipticking me ( i said the dmb thing from vivax recent list), says i am super mafia but starts wagons on tfrel and jat.
Check palmar, DP, VE
I honestly think rels and koshi are town, rels for tone and koshi for actions.
On March 08 2024 10:47 CopCake wrote: You can do it during the day, but after I flip town
DP mafia, always.
He is literally too obsessed with me, nipticking me ( i said the dmb thing from vivax recent list), says i am super mafia but starts wagons on tfrel and jat.
Check palmar, DP, VE
I honestly think rels and koshi are town, rels for tone and koshi for actions.
I know we don't like how the other posts/plays/writes very much but I want to ask that we both put that aside for now just to give you an outside POV on the situation.
I've been scum reading you from the start and attacking positions you've taken but I don't remember the last thing you said about me that could be considered an in-game read or analysis or anything. Yet DP dominates your rhetoric when you're not making 10 posts to get to the bottom of an in-game mechanic, arguing with rayn during N1, or posting fluff.
As for DP, he has spread himself pretty well IMO, talking to a lot of people, about a lot of people.
Have you both talked to, at, about one another more than most duos in the game? Yeah for sure. But is it entirely out of the norm or is it unilateral? Definitely not.
So, I too am puzzled where you are getting this mindset from that you are excessively targeted, or why you respond so defensively to him and not others.
In general I think overly defensive play is a scum tell. I think overly defensive people do exist though - I tend to be one of them and have been misread for it in the past. However, I don't know how to interpret selectively overly defensive people, besides that maybe it's NAI and something that has built up over time beyond the confines of this game.
People can call me mafia, is ok.
But DP is over doing it, I think I have talked about other people and not just him.
People need to filter him and notice how he is like “hey cake didnt put a dot at the end of her sentence, she is mafia”
RN, this is getting to a point I just want to out the game because to me it feels he only exists to make me “mad” on the thread, so I go all “crazy”, sound scummy and lynch me.
I respected how he got me last game with my TMI but here…
On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him.
Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check?
I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check.
BING BING BING I FOUND IT.
Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient.
What do you want to say ? I'm missing the point.
Either he isn't right or he is. I don't know what Oats will flip.
Well then lets flip oats and find out, this absolutely reeks of big plays going on for scum and I can't figure out which is legit scum and which is dumb town letting their egos think they know better than an un ccd blue role with a red check. honestly some of you just love the smell of your own farts
That doesn't answer it. What does it mean for marv if he says that? What do you see that others can't?
I've had my metas suspicions of marv for a while now but I'm not comfortable putting him higher than say VE yet but it certainly doesn't help my read of him. but what I can see that apparently others can is um idk.... a fucking red check/
I literally talked about this exact thing this morning.
Again:
Why is it worth pointing out for you that marv expects scum autopilot on oats but you find many not doing that? Either that means marv is scum for you or the others aren't, and you aren't walking anyone through your reasoning.
Its not that marv "expects" scum to autopilot oats, its that he opens up the avenue for people to go somewhere else and be townread for it bc "obviosuly scum are autopilot on oats so people questioning must be town"
People questiong are dumb and all think they know better than what we established last night after my bad math was like a 90% chance of him being sucm.
I already had my suspicions of marv so this is only fueling those.
- DP has a gun - Vivax JK - Slam cop - Jacob smith
In the imaginary world DP is town and I am mafia, I think it is obvious they would block DP. (Maybe)
Because then, they have a JK, cop and gunsmith free.
But i know I am town, so mafia WONT block DP,
So, if mafia considers Vivax/Slam or Jacobs actions less important, they are in dip shit because slam can get results, vivax can protect/roleblock and jacob can give guns.
So mafia definetly cant waste their roleblock on DP.
On March 08 2024 11:33 CopCake wrote: I have a question
What is more likely to happen?
Assume I am town (I am)
- DP has a gun - Vivax JK - Slam cop - Jacob smith
In the imaginary world DP is town and I am mafia, I think it is obvious they would block DP. (Maybe)
Because then, they have a JK, cop and gunsmith free.
But i know I am town, so mafia WONT block DP,
So, if mafia considers Vivax/Slam or Jacobs actions less important, they are in dip shit because slam can get results, vivax can protect/roleblock and jacob can give guns.
So mafia definetly cant waste their roleblock on DP.
Sorry this might be written weirdly, but just assume is next night.
What happens if I am alive during the day?
:D
We should be getting a report at least from two of the three blue roles (vivax/jacob/slam)
On March 08 2024 11:33 CopCake wrote: I have a question
What is more likely to happen?
Assume I am town (I am)
- DP has a gun - Vivax JK - Slam cop - Jacob smith
In the imaginary world DP is town and I am mafia, I think it is obvious they would block DP. (Maybe)
Because then, they have a JK, cop and gunsmith free.
But i know I am town, so mafia WONT block DP,
So, if mafia considers Vivax/Slam or Jacobs actions less important, they are in dip shit because slam can get results, vivax can protect/roleblock and jacob can give guns.
So mafia definetly cant waste their roleblock on DP.
Sorry this might be written weirdly, but just assume is next night.
What happens if I am alive during the day?
:D
We should be getting a report at least from two of the three blue roles (vivax/jacob/slam)
Because mafia stopped the vig shot.
I need to stop this train of thought. 1. Jsl has no night actions, he’s a 1 shot gunsmith and he’s given it out 2. If vivax JKs slam, slam doesn’t get a check making his role useless
So mafia absolutely can use their rb on dp in this scenario
Oh <~< I believed it was a every night action, nevermind
On March 08 2024 11:33 CopCake wrote: I have a question
What is more likely to happen?
Assume I am town (I am)
- DP has a gun - Vivax JK - Slam cop - Jacob smith
In the imaginary world DP is town and I am mafia, I think it is obvious they would block DP. (Maybe)
Because then, they have a JK, cop and gunsmith free.
But i know I am town, so mafia WONT block DP,
So, if mafia considers Vivax/Slam or Jacobs actions less important, they are in dip shit because slam can get results, vivax can protect/roleblock and jacob can give guns.
So mafia definetly cant waste their roleblock on DP.
Sorry this might be written weirdly, but just assume is next night.
What happens if I am alive during the day?
:D
We should be getting a report at least from two of the three blue roles (vivax/jacob/slam)
Because mafia stopped the vig shot.
I need to stop this train of thought. 1. Jsl has no night actions, he’s a 1 shot gunsmith and he’s given it out 2. If vivax JKs slam, slam doesn’t get a check making his role useless
So mafia absolutely can use their rb on dp in this scenario
Oh <~< I believed it was a every night action, nevermind
Let’s get focused here, What would you like to see from me before I get lynched. How can I help you
I think it is better if you ask from “more experienced” players.
On March 08 2024 11:33 CopCake wrote: I have a question
What is more likely to happen?
Assume I am town (I am)
- DP has a gun - Vivax JK - Slam cop - Jacob smith
In the imaginary world DP is town and I am mafia, I think it is obvious they would block DP. (Maybe)
Because then, they have a JK, cop and gunsmith free.
But i know I am town, so mafia WONT block DP,
So, if mafia considers Vivax/Slam or Jacobs actions less important, they are in dip shit because slam can get results, vivax can protect/roleblock and jacob can give guns.
So mafia definetly cant waste their roleblock on DP.
Sorry this might be written weirdly, but just assume is next night.
What happens if I am alive during the day?
:D
We should be getting a report at least from two of the three blue roles (vivax/jacob/slam)
Because mafia stopped the vig shot.
I need to stop this train of thought. 1. Jsl has no night actions, he’s a 1 shot gunsmith and he’s given it out 2. If vivax JKs slam, slam doesn’t get a check making his role useless
So mafia absolutely can use their rb on dp in this scenario
Oh <~< I believed it was a every night action, nevermind
Let’s get focused here, What would you like to see from me before I get lynched. How can I help you
I think it is better if you ask from “more experienced” players.
My playstyle is not exactly the best cup of tea.
I wanna know what I can provide for you lol
I think this will help town
Is Palmar mafia?
If so, did his scum buddies tried to save him?
Why not start a lynch on cake? I was a scum read at the time, only “strong” players that protected me where koshi and marv.
On March 08 2024 09:48 CopCake wrote: I mean blocking vivax is wild, unless they assumed that vivax would protect slam 🤔
Why is it wild? sandro and I and maybe rayn too both discussed jk is stronger than cop.
Mafia marv has two options
- block rayn - block vivax
Both of them (at least rayn) decides to protect slam. Therefore mafia knows not to waste kills there.
So either rayn or vivax got blocked (duh) over slam.
But why not block slam if rayn or vivax would protect slam anyways? (In mafia marvs perspective)
I think this kinda clears marv?
I mean that would be the best mafia play.
Block slam because he would be protected anyways and you know rayn would waste his doc on him and vivax would JK block/ slam
So the one who got blocked was vivax and no rayn!
Marv is town by night actions.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
I think this is a very townie post The logic is pretty wrong IMO. I don't understand why you assume mafia would think Vivax would protect Slam though. After removing that assumption, the logic kind of fall apart Kind of moot since I think marv is very very townie
I think she is pocketing him here.
Your last point is why.
Wild theories like this are not something I associate with scum!CopCake. Planning on rereading the latest game where we were scum together to verify when I'm caught up
Pocketing is not a wild theory, its standard practice as mafia.
In that specific case, the logic to which she arrives at the marv townread, not the attempt itself
That looks like standard mafia fare to me.
Lots of waffling about nothing important to land on an important town read for your own survival.
I think it's pretty different. In this current game, she talks very freely, posts stuff like this even when unprompted. The other game doesn't contain a weird theory, just "faking to be town" with "normal analysis, with sometimes some fake confrontation or anger. And even then, nothing that comes to the level of interaction she had this game, like when she bumped into you D1, rayn N1, Slam D2 as examples ...
This is reflected in the filter size too: 19 pages in this game (in the middle of D2) vs 9 pages in that game (lynched D4)
On March 08 2024 02:23 Koshi wrote: If you want my opinion: rayn: because ve and or Palmar are mafia. I think mafia wouldn't kill rayn over marv if it wasnt the reads. Marv has way more pull in the thread. (Supertinfoil. Cuz marv is mafia and rayn claimed to him)
I forgot thz second kill lol. I am going insane.
You need to consider Mafia either didnt believe Slam´s claim or were more afraid of Rayn / Sandro
Yeah. Why not shoot slam. Would mafia have known rayn was blue? Because that would make it less likely slam also is blue?
But then marv is mafia.
That's the tricky part. Sandro and rayn are both solid shots on their own. I agree rayn either because of his reads or because Marv is mafia (doubtful). Sandro had a very strong position since he was backed by Marv almost unconditionally. But why would they ever let the claimed cop live? Not even role blocking him?
This is the tricky thing.
I think mafia is pretty narcissistic and do not consider Slam dangerous.
It makes a bit of sense since I would assume Slam would visit Rayn, me or marv. @Slam: I am correct in that? Who would you have visited?
What do you mean would have visited? He DID visit somebody... and it would have to be a pretty stupid mafia team since it really doesn't matter who is getting the checks.
Instead of Oats, sorry if my english is bad.
OH yeah I said that already, DP
D:
I am not a Slam expert.
This train of posts, she was 'analysing' with an agenda.
You can tell when she is horrified at slams answer that I was his scum check if not oats.
This was clear to me since he claimed cop, but she now doesn't make the next steps in her 'analysis' and start to think that why would DP as mafia leave slam alive and unroleblocked when he is the obvious cop check.
She was gearing up to call me mafia as an old school narcasstic player based on NK analysis that is not genuine.
Then we have the series of posts where she over analyses the Oats red check and has a lot to say about it which is just obvious. So it came across as performative.
Finally she is blatantly trying to pocket you and wifom the fact you are still alive, when the obvious answer is that it paints her to look bad that you are alive, cause you are keeping her alive.
She should know that as either alginment but again is really performative about 'considering' NK and marvs alignment in a way that just strikes me as an excuse to hard buddy and pocket marv for his town read of her.
I dont know why are you asking me the same questions when you already know what is my position on the matter.
On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote: Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.
So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.
If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.
You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread.
CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1.
Koshi talk to me, where are you at right now
You have to die because I am too time constrained to reread and get invested. I am quite clueless this game. Those names I posted earlier are my choices but I dont have good reasons. It's more PoE. MZ I think is mafia. Really think he is faking activity when he is here. And he has some towntells he didnt show. (Rage after lynch) Rels is playing a safe scumgame and will be very hard to lynch. Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc.
My townreads are pretty solid I think. (Yes I realise my only towncase this game was on a redcheck)
So VE, Dmb, Palmar left (cuz rayn)
And then TTS who could be anything.
Just saying your reads are almost exactly the same as mine lol
Ok, I am a bit behind so cant factcheck but I am voting VE. I hope people stop being stupid and dont lynch you.
On March 08 2024 11:33 CopCake wrote: I have a question
What is more likely to happen?
Assume I am town (I am)
- DP has a gun - Vivax JK - Slam cop - Jacob smith
In the imaginary world DP is town and I am mafia, I think it is obvious they would block DP. (Maybe)
Because then, they have a JK, cop and gunsmith free.
But i know I am town, so mafia WONT block DP,
So, if mafia considers Vivax/Slam or Jacobs actions less important, they are in dip shit because slam can get results, vivax can protect/roleblock and jacob can give guns.
So mafia definetly cant waste their roleblock on DP.
Sorry this might be written weirdly, but just assume is next night.
What happens if I am alive during the day?
:D
We should be getting a report at least from two of the three blue roles (vivax/jacob/slam)
Because mafia stopped the vig shot.
I need to stop this train of thought. 1. Jsl has no night actions, he’s a 1 shot gunsmith and he’s given it out 2. If vivax JKs slam, slam doesn’t get a check making his role useless
So mafia absolutely can use their rb on dp in this scenario
Oh <~< I believed it was a every night action, nevermind
Let’s get focused here, What would you like to see from me before I get lynched. How can I help you
I think it is better if you ask from “more experienced” players.
My playstyle is not exactly the best cup of tea.
I wanna know what I can provide for you lol
pretty sure this means oats town reads me but I think he should answer.
On March 06 2024 12:27 Vivax wrote: The way I see it, DMB mafia means the scumteam would have to kill her as quickly as possible before she slips up too much.
On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote: But trying to become mayor as mafia is very risky and stupid. Even I understand that.
So does that mean that all of the following have to be town? Vivax (13), raynpelikoneet (3), Oatsmaster (1), Koshi (1)
On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote: Town dp would feel attacked if you call him mafia and would names reasons why he is not. Mafia dp plays it of cool, that you don't see the fear of being discovered.
Maybe this is a DP thing, or maybe I'm different from most, or maybe I'm just stupid... But how much evidence can DP have to name reasons for why he is not mafia when we're what, 16 hours into D1? Maybe the volume they put out... but still, let's have a thought experiment:
What arguments would you have for your own innocence at this point in the game?
On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote: Regardless of what I think about cake, but it seems to me that he picks weaker players to annoy until they make a mistake because of beeing annoyd and then he can push the wagon that comes up.
I made an error out the gate (not catching that Alakaslam cop-claimed) and I didn't get my head bit off for it by anyone. It was corrected and we kept it moving. So, I think this point is overblown. If you're not scum, "mistakes" don't magically make you scum, IMO. The mistake itself has to be AI.
On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote: He waits hours but no body jumps on a cake wagon or he already sees that that wagon will not be successful. So he need to get someelse, but thats good for his record, because Town DP change often his vote just usually with good reasons.
If it wasn't his meta already then I could see this being potentially being true/AI, but because you say that it is his meta... I don't get your point here?
On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote: Thats the only Post I like. He should play a little bit and then we lynch Ve because thats a vote for active Town
Please clarify your logic here, too.
That does not mean that this people are Town for me. It has something to do with my experience of DP's personality. Sorry if I didn´t make that clear.
Okay, I can believe that you believe this 👍
On March 07 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote: What arguments would you have for your own innocence at this point in the game?
Regardless of my aligment I would not start a fight with dp without having do!!! As mafia I would not do that. That would take the fun away as I had in the last game trying to lynch Palmar As Town I just to it because I don´t have something more importend in my head.
This I am having a much harder time following.
If I understand correctly you say that you wouldn't argue with DP regardless of your alignment, then you say you would not do it as mafia, and then you say you would do it as town?
Perhaps this will be easier, allow me to rephrase:
In this specific game, what can you point to as being reasons for why you are town by the 16 hour mark?
I'm just struggling to understand what your ideal response from DP would be here. If someone put me on the spot like that, frankly I'd just be like:
On March 07 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote: And the Ve post is good He doesn´t really want to play anymore because we always lynch him early. Compassion would be the best description
The way you responded to it is "let them play, then lynch them because they are an active townie," which doesn't make much sense to me as "compassion"? As Jacob said above, that almost sounds like a scumslip, but I am sure I must be misunderstanding something or you misspoke.
Starting a discussion with Dp with my English, his ambition and his never-ending questions get on my nerves. I would never voluntarily start a discussion with him if I didn't have to and the only reason I do it is because he is my main scum read. Being scum was really fun for me and that would take the fun out of it ergo I can not be scum
Also the our major is slapping my ass while i try to translate my thougts correctly. Pls for god sake I have to concentrate Vivax
On March 07 2024 11:03 JacobStrangelove wrote: Hmmmmm in your opinion Jealous.
Sure mistakes happen but do you think DMB's "mistake" and reaction to it (not noticing we were even pointing out the mistake for ages) is more or less suspicoius than Koshi's "Mistake" and reaction to it. (ignoring it entirely and being like I'm town fuck you)
I think that both are NAI. I wouldn't even call Koshi's "mistake" that. As someone else told you, I consider "if" and "when" to almost colloquially interchangeable in that context.
DMB's mistake reads as far more damning to me but there are mitigating factors and I think that even some as seemingly erratic as them wouldn't have brought it up just to slip up like that, IMO.
I'm more concerned about the fact that most of what they wrote that wasn't a mistake felt pretty weak to me. This is their best case on their strongest scum read, and now they are too lazy to stick around, because "I don't wanna be town I wanna be mafia"? That's hella weak IMO.
I can see a genuine town doing that, I guess, kinda like how we have people who didn't vote and aren't posting for various reasons. However, I also see it as sufficient reason to keep them on my lynch list, because mafia isn't precluded from claiming laziness after flailing under some light pressure.
I put myself under pressure to start that shit with dp. I know i couldn´t handle that as well as I should so why should I do that as mafia? I knew he gonna give me a lot of pressure more then all the other players would, so again why should I start that and not just take someone easyer do try do lynch and go more with the crowd thoughts. Why even start with the master? I would not be that stupid as mafia
Okay, now I understand what you were saying before. Thanks for clarifying. I actually kinda like this thought process because at least I get it.
Good to know Jelaous is a very serious person that finds the logic of Vivax slapping DMB logical to determine her alignment .
DMB: “ Also the our major is slapping my ass while i try to translate my thougts correctly. Pls for god sake I have to concentrate Vivax“
Jelaous: “ Okay, now I understand what you were saying before. Thanks for clarifying. I actually kinda like this thought process because at least I get it.”
On March 09 2024 01:21 CopCake wrote: MZ, i dont wanna be mean but I answered your question.
Did it help somehow with your reads?
I understand you were confused about slam's choice. I was trying to figure out if that stemmed purely from questioning slam or if it was also driven by a townread of Oats.
I think it helped. The biggest thing for me right now are the amount of people who voted Oats while calling him town. People caveating their votes like that is making me second guess some things.
At least you decided to scum read him based on the NKs after I asked you the questions yesterday morning.
On March 09 2024 01:31 CopCake wrote: DMB: “ Also the our major is slapping my ass while i try to translate my thougts correctly. Pls for god sake I have to concentrate Vivax“
Jelaous: “ Okay, now I understand what you were saying before. Thanks for clarifying. I actually kinda like this thought process because at least I get it.”
I love you DMB
Here
I am phone posting. But that is dumbs answer and jelaous conclusion from that answer.
On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote: But trying to become mayor as mafia is very risky and stupid. Even I understand that.
So does that mean that all of the following have to be town? Vivax (13), raynpelikoneet (3), Oatsmaster (1), Koshi (1)
On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote: Town dp would feel attacked if you call him mafia and would names reasons why he is not. Mafia dp plays it of cool, that you don't see the fear of being discovered.
Maybe this is a DP thing, or maybe I'm different from most, or maybe I'm just stupid... But how much evidence can DP have to name reasons for why he is not mafia when we're what, 16 hours into D1? Maybe the volume they put out... but still, let's have a thought experiment:
What arguments would you have for your own innocence at this point in the game?
On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote: Regardless of what I think about cake, but it seems to me that he picks weaker players to annoy until they make a mistake because of beeing annoyd and then he can push the wagon that comes up.
I made an error out the gate (not catching that Alakaslam cop-claimed) and I didn't get my head bit off for it by anyone. It was corrected and we kept it moving. So, I think this point is overblown. If you're not scum, "mistakes" don't magically make you scum, IMO. The mistake itself has to be AI.
On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote: He waits hours but no body jumps on a cake wagon or he already sees that that wagon will not be successful. So he need to get someelse, but thats good for his record, because Town DP change often his vote just usually with good reasons.
If it wasn't his meta already then I could see this being potentially being true/AI, but because you say that it is his meta... I don't get your point here?
On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote: Thats the only Post I like. He should play a little bit and then we lynch Ve because thats a vote for active Town
Please clarify your logic here, too.
That does not mean that this people are Town for me. It has something to do with my experience of DP's personality. Sorry if I didn´t make that clear.
Okay, I can believe that you believe this 👍
On March 07 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote: What arguments would you have for your own innocence at this point in the game?
Regardless of my aligment I would not start a fight with dp without having do!!! As mafia I would not do that. That would take the fun away as I had in the last game trying to lynch Palmar As Town I just to it because I don´t have something more importend in my head.
This I am having a much harder time following.
If I understand correctly you say that you wouldn't argue with DP regardless of your alignment, then you say you would not do it as mafia, and then you say you would do it as town?
Perhaps this will be easier, allow me to rephrase:
In this specific game, what can you point to as being reasons for why you are town by the 16 hour mark?
I'm just struggling to understand what your ideal response from DP would be here. If someone put me on the spot like that, frankly I'd just be like:
On March 07 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote: And the Ve post is good He doesn´t really want to play anymore because we always lynch him early. Compassion would be the best description
The way you responded to it is "let them play, then lynch them because they are an active townie," which doesn't make much sense to me as "compassion"? As Jacob said above, that almost sounds like a scumslip, but I am sure I must be misunderstanding something or you misspoke.
Starting a discussion with Dp with my English, his ambition and his never-ending questions get on my nerves. I would never voluntarily start a discussion with him if I didn't have to and the only reason I do it is because he is my main scum read. Being scum was really fun for me and that would take the fun out of it ergo I can not be scum
Also the our major is slapping my ass while i try to translate my thougts correctly. Pls for god sake I have to concentrate Vivax
On March 07 2024 11:29 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 07 2024 11:10 Jealous wrote:
On March 07 2024 11:03 JacobStrangelove wrote: Hmmmmm in your opinion Jealous.
Sure mistakes happen but do you think DMB's "mistake" and reaction to it (not noticing we were even pointing out the mistake for ages) is more or less suspicoius than Koshi's "Mistake" and reaction to it. (ignoring it entirely and being like I'm town fuck you)
I think that both are NAI. I wouldn't even call Koshi's "mistake" that. As someone else told you, I consider "if" and "when" to almost colloquially interchangeable in that context.
DMB's mistake reads as far more damning to me but there are mitigating factors and I think that even some as seemingly erratic as them wouldn't have brought it up just to slip up like that, IMO.
I'm more concerned about the fact that most of what they wrote that wasn't a mistake felt pretty weak to me. This is their best case on their strongest scum read, and now they are too lazy to stick around, because "I don't wanna be town I wanna be mafia"? That's hella weak IMO.
I can see a genuine town doing that, I guess, kinda like how we have people who didn't vote and aren't posting for various reasons. However, I also see it as sufficient reason to keep them on my lynch list, because mafia isn't precluded from claiming laziness after flailing under some light pressure.
I put myself under pressure to start that shit with dp. I know i couldn´t handle that as well as I should so why should I do that as mafia? I knew he gonna give me a lot of pressure more then all the other players would, so again why should I start that and not just take someone easyer do try do lynch and go more with the crowd thoughts. Why even start with the master? I would not be that stupid as mafia
Okay, now I understand what you were saying before. Thanks for clarifying. I actually kinda like this thought process because at least I get it.
Good to know Jelaous is a very serious person that finds the logic of Vivax slapping DMB logical to determine her alignment .
Jelaous is just pretending to care to have reads, complains about people derailing the thread, but he considered “vivax slapping dumb” a very good answer.
I think he doesnt care about reads but just wants to look “good”
On March 09 2024 02:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Copcake now voting jealous is why I was trying to figure out how serious she was when she said something to the effect of "guess Oats is scum bc of the NKs" I'm phone posting at work otherwise I'd try and quote it but it happened after my initial conversation with her yesterday morning.
On March 09 2024 02:15 CopCake wrote: Btw I refuse to take my vote on Jelaous.
He was an ass to me but “Vivax slapping my ass” is a good thought process.
I have no idea what you’re on about tbh.
Jelaous asked questions to dmb to understand her
Dmb said vivax was slapping her etc etc
Jelaous said ok I likr that thought process
So? Like I’m positive there has been some misunderstanding here, but even if there wasn’t, why is it a mafia thing to say or do that? You think mafia want to look like idiots?
Jelaous was like absolutely too mean to me. To the point I almost quit the game for that.
On March 06 2024 23:34 iamperfection wrote: Cop might just be dumb. I felt like dmb knew trfels alignment ignored me multiple times when I said the play was different. Trfel themselves admitted they were playing bad
yes i am more sure of dmb being mafia here, but cake still said: 1) vivax/dp/iamp changed the lynch from palmar (for no reason as mafia) 2) dp pocketed palmar (and palmar is not town)
it does not sit well with me. i just cant wrap my head around it...
i dont understand how she is trying to explain this now (she has), if someone can read that to me so i can understand it it would be really nice.
You just dont want to understand. 🫨
that's just wrong. im the fucking best town player in this game with JAT even if i am wrong on you and those plebs almost lynched him.
Rayn listen to me for a moment please.
You’re doing this thing you always do where something doesn’t make logical sense to you and drawing the conclusion it must come from mafia.
I think it’s really quite unlikely CC is mafia. Her play feels quite different to when we were mafia. There I struggled to get her to do much other stuff than defend herself. Which is fair enough.
Here she has a bunch of crazy opinions and is constantly sticking her neck out. The simple explanation is she is super into the game and is thinking about things in a way you don’t grasp and doesn’t make sense to you. She’s playing like some blend of town Koshi/Vivax. Just consider it for me please
I don't want to get too in the weeds here but this is part of my frustration/desire to just lynch CopCake and call it a day. Basically, if we assume the following:
town!CopCake = Does weird RP, gets reads from tea leaves and the phases of the moon while Mercury is in Gatorade, and says stuff like "I am bad town but good mafia so that somehow makes me good for town", then I'm not really getting much out of their interactions, they are not pushing the game forward, and I don't see any reason to keep them around. This doesn't make them the scummiest, but it's just a less schizo Race Bannon.
... and...
scum!CopCake = Does weird RP, gets reads from tea leaves and the phases of the moon while Mercury is in Gatorade, and says stuff like "I am bad town but good mafia so that somehow makes me good for town", then I'm not really getting much out of their interactions, they are not pushing the game forward, and I don't see any reason to keep them around. This doesn't make them the scummiest, but it's just a less schizo Race Bannon.
So QED CopCake, even if town, is being more of a hindrance than a beneficial force.
However, I will admit I like what her posting brought out of rayn in my absence, so perhaps I am being a bit too harsh here. Then again, it feels more like rayn putting a lot of work to untangle what CopCake is saying, more so than CopCake saying good things, IMO.
TL;DR: I can be convinced to lynch vote someone else with a strong case against them, but CopCake's interactions so far make me think this might be a good lynch in general.
On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote: I'm finalizing here.
I like a bunch of mafia in:
rayn jat rels mz tts
then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy
vivax trfel hapa
then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve
iamp marv jealous copcake slam ve
and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town
sandro oats dp dmb jls koshi
None of the lists are in any particular order
I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever.
where is your case on vivax?
But the problem is, I had explained my stance on Vivax multiple times in the thread. Like I'm actually kinda annoyed with myself for how often I repeated that same point.
Here's a link to a post where I summarized me repeatedly expressing the same stance on Vivax.
In conclusion. rayn considers me his #1 lynch target but hasn't actually read my filter and doesn't know my stances.
Point 2 - rayn refuses to acknowledge that I don't think and play like him
This one is a little more nuanced to explain, especially to people who weren't involved in the last game we played, but for context here's the gist of it.
On day 3, I am town and kinda think rayn may be town. rayn is however mafia and is tunneling me as an established scumread.
On December 16 2023 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar can you make a post about why it's reasonable to assume i am mafia with (1) sandroba or (2) holyflare?
I don’t make associative reads
In the same way as he does this game for the mason thing, rayn demands a townread because I have other people that aren't him as possible mafia, and then claims it's impossible that they could be scum together.
To me, this is a clear logical fallacy, because it assumes that I'm always right on my scumreads other than rayn. I explain this even further here in the last game.
On December 16 2023 23:33 Palmar wrote: Rayn, I’m not going to read your entire filter because I don’t hate myself. But I did open it and read from the bottom up. I can’t remember if this is something you normally do but you’re spending almost no effort on forming town reads. The best I could find was like “maybe marv is just town” and something like that.
Like have you at any point in this game tried to argue that someone is town?
Do youthink that's something that makes me mafia? I mean like its probably the easiest thing to do as mafia, call townies town for correct reasons. I also heavily abuse that fact as mafia.
I dont care if you do associative reads or not. I find it suspicious that the people who i sm literally the least likely to be mafia with ate the ones you geoup with me being mafia with snd just sit on that.
Also i disagree that i had no influence on the game. Its true i have not been as active as usual. But i was a key factor to almost change the lynch from Vivax to sandroba D1, and i also believe i was one of the key votes to lynch Chezinu.
In order cause phoneposting.
Not necessarily but it’s different from what I do. I said I can’t remember if it’s normal for you.
Again, I don’t think this way. Maybe I’m wrong on something. Maybe mafia is playing lone wolf. I just don’t care at all who is likely to be mafia with who. It has no impact on how I think about any game.
You HAVE been active. You have one of the longest filters in the game. You just haven’t been influential.
So given that we literally had this discussion last game, rayn's claim THIS game that I must be mafia because I refuse to think in associations like he does means he has to be scum himself.
Not because he doesn't know my playstyle, that's actually completely acceptable
he's mafia because he's reminded that I just explained my playstyle to him last game, I play like I always do again, and remind him that's how I think, but he still refuses to listen
This means he doesn't WANT to listen, and his objective isn't actually finding out my alignment, just wants to kill me.
In conclusion: raynpelikoneet
I mean the only other option is that he's a moron.
On March 10 2024 12:41 Rels wrote: With this out of the way, going to bed. Very interested to see how CopCake handles this (still thinks she's town but interested nonetheless)
How can you think that? She‘s like the witch doctor on team dire at this point. Just going in wolololo at the game when she posts.
##vote: copcake
I am town but
I want to quit the game, I am not enjoying it like I tend to do it.
Rayn might get a bit annoyed but I am a sensitive person and if I do not like something, I just quit. Same happened when Slam was having a difficult moment, I felt bad so I wanted out.
On March 10 2024 12:41 Rels wrote: With this out of the way, going to bed. Very interested to see how CopCake handles this (still thinks she's town but interested nonetheless)
How can you think that? She‘s like the witch doctor on team dire at this point. Just going in wolololo at the game when she posts.
##vote: copcake
I am town but
I want to quit the game, I am not enjoying it like I tend to do it.
Rayn might get a bit annoyed but I am a sensitive person and if I do not like something, I just quit. Same happened when Slam was having a difficult moment, I felt bad so I wanted out.
This is not about liking or disliking something. You have a sacred duty to your team that you must fulfill. We do not get to choose the battles but we must fight, because we’re not fighting for ourselves but something greater.
Last game rayn was mafia i asked him why he didnt concede (i would), that kinda feels like a responsability, that doesnt change my feelings for the game (would be confirmed after i get lynched)
I admit I have played very bad but it is what it is.
On March 10 2024 18:08 Palmar wrote: So I barely read the OP but we are assuming that either mafia shit Vivax to get a random kill on a bodyguard or that they have a strongarm to murder slam ?
On March 10 2024 18:08 Palmar wrote: So I barely read the OP but we are assuming that either mafia shit Vivax to get a random kill on a bodyguard or that they have a strongarm to murder slam ?
On March 10 2024 18:08 Palmar wrote: So I barely read the OP but we are assuming that either mafia shit Vivax to get a random kill on a bodyguard or that they have a strongarm to murder slam ?
- mafia blocks vivax - - kills slam -
I dont see the use of a strongarm there
Oh really?
Btw this is the type of attitude why I don't want to play, I feel like a wounded stray dog forced to come to a coliseum to fight lions.
On March 11 2024 01:53 Vivax wrote: I‘m going to vote VE for sure after he smugly hinted at being rber in the post I quoted
On March 11 2024 00:03 Vivax wrote: [quote]
##Vote: VE
This one?
The jealous post with double shot/breaking JK is obvious nonsense imo. Doesn‘t work like that mechanically unless he meant strongarm.
VE doesn‘t realize that and just corrects him with roleblock being most likely.
well and having any awareness of whats going on when VE is "afk" is suspect as well.
If Oats really was the "best" player on the team as has been speculated, VE could have also just deliberately AFK'd to try and create a more attractive counter wagon.
That doesn't make the redcheck go away though. So the logic kinda falls apart.
I mean it doesn't, however the counterwagon (that I am aware I was apart of) did get pretty strong yesterday. I don't think it's out of the question for scum VE to try and help the case against him to save oats simply by not showing up.
But slam has to flip at some point
yeah but the assumption I (and I think some of the other pro oats people) was making yesterday is that Oats was framed, so even when slam flips, it's not a 100% death sentence for oats. I know this gets a little deep in WIFOM land but if scum somehow saved oats, since he was the framer maybe they don't kill VE just to make things more confusing.
Either way, I do think that my point about VE's play is a possibility yesterday.
Well. They only need to protect their rb. Rest is not important anymore.
The jealous post with double shot/breaking JK is obvious nonsense imo. Doesn‘t work like that mechanically unless he meant strongarm.
VE doesn‘t realize that and just corrects him with roleblock being most likely.
well and having any awareness of whats going on when VE is "afk" is suspect as well.
If Oats really was the "best" player on the team as has been speculated, VE could have also just deliberately AFK'd to try and create a more attractive counter wagon.
That doesn't make the redcheck go away though. So the logic kinda falls apart.
I mean it doesn't, however the counterwagon (that I am aware I was apart of) did get pretty strong yesterday. I don't think it's out of the question for scum VE to try and help the case against him to save oats simply by not showing up.
But slam has to flip at some point
yeah but the assumption I (and I think some of the other pro oats people) was making yesterday is that Oats was framed, so even when slam flips, it's not a 100% death sentence for oats. I know this gets a little deep in WIFOM land but if scum somehow saved oats, since he was the framer maybe they don't kill VE just to make things more confusing.
Either way, I do think that my point about VE's play is a possibility yesterday.
Well. They only need to protect their rb. Rest is not important anymore.
Mafia vig?
If there is one. He shot already.
How could that had been prevented by night actions?
On March 11 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote: Ohyeah. Vivax is 1000% town. (Because the rbs are missing) And then Jealous is pretty town as well. No reason to scumread him.
I think Darth is also pretty much clear, only way is if he was mafia vig that got roleblocked by vivax night one but considering he didnt move his vote from Oats and used the gunsmith a ability with TTS, that is clear town there.
On March 11 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote: Ohyeah. Vivax is 1000% town. (Because the rbs are missing) And then Jealous is pretty town as well. No reason to scumread him.
I think Darth is also pretty much clear, only way is if he was mafia vig that got roleblocked by vivax night one but considering he didnt move his vote from Oats and used the gunsmith a ability with TTS, that is clear town there.
Ohyeah. Him. Forgot he was in the game. He rarely posts.
Whaatt, Darth is the reason the game has so many pages, he is a big boi.
On March 11 2024 04:46 justanothertownie wrote: You wouldn't tell if there were out of the game reason preventing you from spending a lot of time as mafia but as town you would? That does not make any sense to me.
I try not to use irl excuses stuff in games, specially as mafia.
On March 11 2024 12:51 CopCake wrote: The problem is
Why not kill DP when we have
- vivax jailing Slam so his cop check doesnt work - kill DP who is about to kill mafia TTS/Cake/DMB
If two of those are real mafia, I think blocking DP takes priority and not blocking vivax to kill slam, I mean the cop check would had been blocked.
I saw this in your filter too, in my mind it's not even a question.
I mean, killing DP or not might be a question, but roleblock wise, scum HAD to RB Vivax and kill Slam
Scum cannot know who Vivax will target, so that's the only plan where you get your 2 KPs + be sure there isn't another check. Any other plan, you risk having one of your KP blocked by Vivax
The second KP (the marv one) could have been used to kill DP yeah, but killing marv is super logical too
Mafia knows who vivax is going to target if DP claimed vet.
On March 11 2024 12:51 CopCake wrote: The problem is
Why not kill DP when we have
- vivax jailing Slam so his cop check doesnt work - kill DP who is about to kill mafia TTS/Cake/DMB
If two of those are real mafia, I think blocking DP takes priority and not blocking vivax to kill slam, I mean the cop check would had been blocked.
I saw this in your filter too, in my mind it's not even a question.
I mean, killing DP or not might be a question, but roleblock wise, scum HAD to RB Vivax and kill Slam
Scum cannot know who Vivax will target, so that's the only plan where you get your 2 KPs + be sure there isn't another check. Any other plan, you risk having one of your KP blocked by Vivax
The second KP (the marv one) could have been used to kill DP yeah, but killing marv is super logical too
Mafia knows who vivax is going to target if DP claimed vet.
They can make an educated guess that is the most logical, but they cannot be 100% sure
Mafia knows some stuff tho
These is what happened according to what has been posted here
- vivax jailed darth punk - jsl gave a gun to darth - slam checked oats - darth is vet
We know mafia didnt block slam so they pretty much blocked vivax.
If we go by that, darth needs to have his vest 100% unless mafia vig vigged darth but wouldnt the jail prevent that? So darth has his vest intact.
From that logic I think is obvious vivax would have protected slam the next night.
On March 11 2024 12:44 CopCake wrote: I have voted myself and I kinda do not want to move it because “OMG copcake is still mafia”
I also want to say I am not vengeful townie.
How about that DP mafia game thread analysis though?
I wont do it, I am honestly depressed about this game.
How about those Discord screenshots that were supposed to mean something in response to your obvious hypocrisy and inconsistency throughout this game though?
I also said Vivax is here and he can confirm I asked if we could 🥳 concede a mafia game because I felt bad for Slam.
You should also be aware of this DP. You have read that chat and played that game.
On March 11 2024 13:15 DarthPunk wrote: SHe said she wasn't going to do it
She said she wasn't going to do the dive on your mafia game. She went as far as asking admin about posting Discord screenshots and it was allowed but I've yet to see any or have any indication of what her intent was for those screenshots.
Can we all agree that if a supposed townie is saying that they will do stuff to clear their name/push the game forward, then not doing it or even pretending to do it, while still posting random other stuff, isn't a great look?
On March 11 2024 13:27 CopCake wrote: No seriously, how am I suppose to?
Posting the screenshots you promised, which in theory would have somehow exonerated you from the accusation, would be a good starting point. Instead of relying on others to defend you for you.
Question wasnt answered Saw my ex scum buddy here so I didnt feel the need to post them
On March 11 2024 13:18 CopCake wrote: Darth, did my team or not conceded a game we were winning because we felt bad for Slam?
If you're talking about the game 10 months ago, you were not winning, the whole game felt bad for Slam and collectively asked to call it off.
Kinda a low move to pull that game up now to try and prove a point.
Uh, the mafia team did, town didnt do anything.
That game was why I had suspicions of Marv but I didn't want to bring it up here to justify my read.
I'd rather not talk about that game anymore and I'd prefer if you didn't either, if you're town you should have more than just that game to back you up.
But why is DP is allowed to say “cake last game did this and this and this”?
On March 11 2024 12:51 CopCake wrote: The problem is
Why not kill DP when we have
- vivax jailing Slam so his cop check doesnt work - kill DP who is about to kill mafia TTS/Cake/DMB
If two of those are real mafia, I think blocking DP takes priority and not blocking vivax to kill slam, I mean the cop check would had been blocked.
I saw this in your filter too, in my mind it's not even a question.
I mean, killing DP or not might be a question, but roleblock wise, scum HAD to RB Vivax and kill Slam
Scum cannot know who Vivax will target, so that's the only plan where you get your 2 KPs + be sure there isn't another check. Any other plan, you risk having one of your KP blocked by Vivax
The second KP (the marv one) could have been used to kill DP yeah, but killing marv is super logical too
Mafia knows who vivax is going to target if DP claimed vet.
They can make an educated guess that is the most logical, but they cannot be 100% sure
Mafia knows some stuff tho
These is what happened according to what has been posted here
- vivax jailed darth punk - jsl gave a gun to darth - slam checked oats - darth is vet
We know mafia didnt block slam so they pretty much blocked vivax.
If we go by that, darth needs to have his vest 100% unless mafia vig vigged darth but wouldnt the jail prevent that? So darth has his vest intact.
From that logic I think is obvious vivax would have protected slam the next night.
Obvious is different from 100% sure
Why not go for the 100% plan
I don't really undertand what you are arguing, that DP is scum because he wasn't roleblocked?
Only question is why not block a big boi who said he would kill either scum TTS/cake/DMB.
I am using that to say “because there is only one mafia there and dmb and cake are town”
So that could save up time, would be a view from a third party and not me twisting words, etc etc etc
Bla bla bla bla I am so scum bla bla bla bla I will just ignore the assholes and post what I think because I am supposed to do that. So if for some reason I ended up lynched, town can either judge my words or how people treated me.
Slam, I am TRULY sorry if for some reason I offended you.
On March 11 2024 12:51 CopCake wrote: The problem is
Why not kill DP when we have
- vivax jailing Slam so his cop check doesnt work - kill DP who is about to kill mafia TTS/Cake/DMB
If two of those are real mafia, I think blocking DP takes priority and not blocking vivax to kill slam, I mean the cop check would had been blocked.
I saw this in your filter too, in my mind it's not even a question.
I mean, killing DP or not might be a question, but roleblock wise, scum HAD to RB Vivax and kill Slam
Scum cannot know who Vivax will target, so that's the only plan where you get your 2 KPs + be sure there isn't another check. Any other plan, you risk having one of your KP blocked by Vivax
The second KP (the marv one) could have been used to kill DP yeah, but killing marv is super logical too
Mafia knows who vivax is going to target if DP claimed vet.
They can make an educated guess that is the most logical, but they cannot be 100% sure
Mafia knows some stuff tho
These is what happened according to what has been posted here
- vivax jailed darth punk - jsl gave a gun to darth - slam checked oats - darth is vet
We know mafia didnt block slam so they pretty much blocked vivax.
If we go by that, darth needs to have his vest 100% unless mafia vig vigged darth but wouldnt the jail prevent that? So darth has his vest intact.
From that logic I think is obvious vivax would have protected slam the next night.
Obvious is different from 100% sure
Why not go for the 100% plan
I don't really undertand what you are arguing, that DP is scum because he wasn't roleblocked?
Only question is why not block a big boi who said he would kill either scum TTS/cake/DMB.
I am using that to say “because there is only one mafia there and dmb and cake are town”
??? Even handwaving the way that it's not what happened (pretty DP said he was going to kill them to a lot more people last night), in your scenario, why would scum block a shot that had a 2/3 chance of killing town?
Go sleep, you have interviews, gonna answer this maybe later.
On March 11 2024 15:37 CopCake wrote: From my point of view since I am town, not blocking DP means that DMB is town and mafia gambled to see who he shot.
Exactly if you are town why would mafia ever shoot dp when he's 2-1 likely to hit town.
On March 11 2024 15:42 JacobStrangelove wrote: The reason we think you are scum is it would make sense for this to be naturally obvious to town cop but if you are town knowing we are both confirmed town work with us to find who else is scum
You are calling me scum and I am trying to prove a point by night actions that I am not, as simple as that.
On March 11 2024 15:44 JacobStrangelove wrote: Still makes sense personally for mafia to risk a 2-1 against them if Slam check is also a death sentence. But it will look better for dmb yes
So lynching me is benefical and would kinda clear DP, right?
On March 11 2024 10:33 Vivax wrote: DP alive D3 warrants a better look from any competent town player. And I think he's scum then a bunch of townies show up and make me wanna omgus them.
DP never dies early. DP was not a target above others who have died.
I do not understand why DP was not roleblocked. Maybe they thought he would shoot town cc. Maybe they thought they had to get 2 kills so you had to be rb.
Hmm that makes sense.
Or town DMB
Not just me
The only reason the didnt block town DP is if his pool was full of town
On March 08 2024 10:35 iamperfection wrote: Just organizing my thoughts
VE
If you look at a lot of his posts he has no real opinions and goes in to general mafia guidance mode such as saying mafia would do this or probably act like this but not attaching it to any player. Makes promises of providing more content but never really does. He even complains that he wont have meaningful read until a flip happens. Well there have been several flips and claims and still he has not provided anything meaningful VE is old school scum where he just keeps making promises and does just enough posting to try and survive. He has no interest in figuring out the game and who is mafia because he is mafia.
TTS
Yes i have had some fear of possible lynch bait but the word choice he has used looks like a blatant act to me.
On March 07 2024 18:20 ToTheStars wrote: DP and Vivax what are your reads?
All I remember of Day 1 is that I was townreading you two, maybe rayn, also alakaslam. And scumreading trfel but I think they flipped town?
I think they flipped town? like come on nobody would talk like that its clearly an act.
On March 08 2024 08:09 ToTheStars wrote: I saw that there was a guilty on Oats? Who claimed the guilty?
He was aware that there was a check but somehow also dosnt know who claimed. A town member would go look i think he is blatantly trying to look like a noob so we dont lynch him.
Palmar
I feel like he is hiding behind the "way" he plays in order to just make useless posts in attempt to show actvivity with no real meaning behind them. He avoided all possible content that would give reads because he isnt really looking for that. He heavily ignored the whisper mechanic and seems perplexed about even though an unconfirmed mason is absolutely a role palmar would be aware which is what this basically is. If you look at his content he basically tunneled rayn and refused any evidence to try and figure out rayns alignment. He has a list post with no reasoning probably because he found it too hard to get real ones. He constantly has posts were he could give an opinion but simply doesn't. Palmar is not trying to catch mafia because he is mafia.
AWESOME find on TTS! "And scumreading trfel but I think they flipped town?" cannot ever make sense if it is not faked to appear clueless town??? 100% scum
I am reading Rels atm but this is an important post.
On March 08 2024 09:48 CopCake wrote: I mean blocking vivax is wild, unless they assumed that vivax would protect slam 🤔
Why is it wild? sandro and I and maybe rayn too both discussed jk is stronger than cop.
Mafia marv has two options
- block rayn - block vivax
Both of them (at least rayn) decides to protect slam. Therefore mafia knows not to waste kills there.
So either rayn or vivax got blocked (duh) over slam.
But why not block slam if rayn or vivax would protect slam anyways? (In mafia marvs perspective)
I think this kinda clears marv?
I mean that would be the best mafia play.
Block slam because he would be protected anyways and you know rayn would waste his doc on him and vivax would JK block/ slam
So the one who got blocked was vivax and no rayn!
Marv is town by night actions.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
I think this is a very townie post The logic is pretty wrong IMO. I don't understand why you assume mafia would think Vivax would protect Slam though. After removing that assumption, the logic kind of fall apart Kind of moot since I think marv is very very townie
I think she is pocketing him here.
Your last point is why.
Wild theories like this are not something I associate with scum!CopCake. Planning on rereading the latest game where we were scum together to verify when I'm caught up
On March 11 2024 13:33 Rels wrote: My mind is here:
Scum VE is almost confirmed scum IMO. My scumread started at the fake anger against rayn D1 (or N1? But I think D1), but the rest of his play since then is just an admission of being scum.
CC this cycle has been really, really scummy with her play. Martyring but still hanging out with no real objective and mainly discussing roles and KP targets. It really feels like a mafia that know they will be lynched but also know they have to participate in order to not play against their wincon
DMB has already been very scummy. I know she's has been scumread a lot s town, but the points that I think is not correlated to her style are her entrance where she spoke only in general terms until she was called out on it(I know at least by me, maybe others too), and the dumbtell in particular that looked very forced. Also was not a fan on how she behaved when marv/DP pushed her yesterday. I still haven't had the time to read one of her towngame, that's something that I will need to do
Jealous I hated a few posts from them. Already summarized it for marv yesterday, but basically, I have the feeling that his big posts are there to be townie / believable, not there because they're genuine. Contrary to some other takes I've seen, I didn't find anything particularly townie about them, if we exclude activity. I might be wrong, but I think his take on Vivax earlier was the first time he posted something that really resonated with me, and it was not even alignment related
-- [town]Town[/town] JAT I've thought was townie for a while for some of his posts and analyses N1, but TBH this is becoming to become weaker and weaker. I can't remember anything they've done lately - I know they've been somewhat active, but can't remember a single thing that influenced my reads. Probably the weakest of my townreads.
Koshi is someone that I thought multiple times was falling off, but actually hit a sprea of posts after catching up and thought once again he was being extremely townie with the way he thought and jumped from idea to idea. Very strong townread.
Palmar, just quoted my reasonning to MZ earlier, really, really don't think he makes those dumbtells as an experienced player. I know dumbtell are always tempting as scum, but this feels like too much, especially in this game where people are being scumread for dumbtells already. I also really liked his last list post (last in the part of the game I've read, haven't read the last 24 hours).
DP is super, super town, in addition to actually having played against their wincon if they're scum by shooting a partner instead of a scummy townie.
MZ has been so doubtful and involved in D2 when there was no reason to, very very strong townread.
iamperfection is a somewhat strong townread. I actualy never filtered him so I'm probably missing a bunch of his posts, but several times, he posted stuff that was either a great find or exactly what I thought at the time.
Vivax is JK. If he's scum and we really have no other protective role, I'm blaming balance there.
JSL is confirmed town.
13 players so I'm missing someone. Whelp I guess it's me lol
On March 08 2024 09:48 CopCake wrote: I mean blocking vivax is wild, unless they assumed that vivax would protect slam 🤔
Why is it wild? sandro and I and maybe rayn too both discussed jk is stronger than cop.
Mafia marv has two options
- block rayn - block vivax
Both of them (at least rayn) decides to protect slam. Therefore mafia knows not to waste kills there.
So either rayn or vivax got blocked (duh) over slam.
But why not block slam if rayn or vivax would protect slam anyways? (In mafia marvs perspective)
I think this kinda clears marv?
I mean that would be the best mafia play.
Block slam because he would be protected anyways and you know rayn would waste his doc on him and vivax would JK block/ slam
So the one who got blocked was vivax and no rayn!
Marv is town by night actions.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
I think this is a very townie post The logic is pretty wrong IMO. I don't understand why you assume mafia would think Vivax would protect Slam though. After removing that assumption, the logic kind of fall apart Kind of moot since I think marv is very very townie
I think she is pocketing him here.
Your last point is why.
Wild theories like this are not something I associate with scum!CopCake. Planning on rereading the latest game where we were scum together to verify when I'm caught up
Pocketing is not a wild theory, its standard practice as mafia.
In that specific case, the logic to which she arrives at the marv townread, not the attempt itself
That looks like standard mafia fare to me.
Lots of waffling about nothing important to land on an important town read for your own survival.
I think it's pretty different. In this current game, she talks very freely, posts stuff like this even when unprompted. The other game doesn't contain a weird theory, just "faking to be town" with "normal analysis, with sometimes some fake confrontation or anger. And even then, nothing that comes to the level of interaction she had this game, like when she bumped into you D1, rayn N1, Slam D2 as examples ...
This is reflected in the filter size too: 19 pages in this game (in the middle of D2) vs 9 pages in that game (lynched D4)
On March 11 2024 10:33 Vivax wrote: DP alive D3 warrants a better look from any competent town player. And I think he's scum then a bunch of townies show up and make me wanna omgus them.
DP never dies early. DP was not a target above others who have died.
I do not understand why DP was not roleblocked. Maybe they thought he would shoot town cc. Maybe they thought they had to get 2 kills so you had to be rb.
Hmm that makes sense.
Or town DMB
Not just me
The only reason the didnt block town DP is if his pool was full of town
Mafia made a mistake. Who knows why. They fucked up
On March 11 2024 10:33 Vivax wrote: DP alive D3 warrants a better look from any competent town player. And I think he's scum then a bunch of townies show up and make me wanna omgus them.
DP never dies early. DP was not a target above others who have died.
I do not understand why DP was not roleblocked. Maybe they thought he would shoot town cc. Maybe they thought they had to get 2 kills so you had to be rb.
Hmm that makes sense.
Or town DMB
Not just me
The only reason the didnt block town DP is if his pool was full of town
Mafia made a mistake. Who knows why. They fucked up
This is really fucking stupid. They could not rb dp without risking Vivax either saving slam or even blocking their shot directly if he used the JK offensively. Dp being left to shoot confirms absolutely nothing. Cake. We are lynching ve right now and not you. Please put the night action logic aside and just give us some reads that are independent from that if you are town.
I said Rels
Mind if you glance as his posts? He called me town with the perspective of his experience of being mafia with me in chezinu streak mafia and also called me mafia from the same experience.
On March 06 2024 06:47 Palmar wrote: Btw the wagon on me is so bad.
marv is probably just mafia jat has literally no reason to think I am, and is probably mafia anyway. Trfel has literally no reason to think I am Slam is slam Koshi has thought I am mafia every game for 10+ years. I think he just enjoys murdering me.
The only standout is DP
Wow, the wagon on me on day 1 was so pure :D
Wasn't it just?
Palmar is almost certainly mafia here. Marv thought so. Rayn thought so. They're both dead to night kills. Palmar as town reviles playing with me, so him wanting me more active in this game bodes poorly for all of you given I'm going out first. He doesn't have fun WITH me, he has fun USING me, and he's salty I haven't given him ammo to do so until now. He voted for me instead of Oats even though he had a town read on me and a scum read on Oats D1. Pretty damning in hindsight, considering Oats was red checked AND was the framer.
His filter is all over the place as you'd expect, but there are some nuggets in there. There's this one post locking koshi as town for calling the framer town on D1. As if that's not something mafia are EXPECTED to do. I'm sure he has some reasonable sounding logic, like towncasing is as bad as mafcasing because it invites scrutiny regardless. But he conveniently refuses to factor in that A) it's Koshi and B) we're all big boys and girls and stuff here.
There's also a tendency to do mafia-ish things in his posts that I probably just dislike in general...but he does stuff like subtly fearmonger and appeal to peoples' insecurities. I've seen him do it as town but it's his bread and butter as mafia.
Palmar is probably Mafia Palmar, and frankly he's probably going to win.
I'm actually stopping here for now guys, I have tabs open with MZ iamp and CopCake filters, I had intended to do them tonight - I had actually intended for these all to be in one post - but when I found 2 mafia in Koshi/Palmar I figured the last one can wait. Especially given one of those people is the counterwagon to me and at this point I actually just WANT CopCake to be mafia so I can say the mafia tried to lynch me all game and couldn't - so I'll probably start with CC tomorrow. I HOPE she's mafia but that would be maybe too easy from my perspective.
On March 06 2024 06:47 Palmar wrote: Btw the wagon on me is so bad.
marv is probably just mafia jat has literally no reason to think I am, and is probably mafia anyway. Trfel has literally no reason to think I am Slam is slam Koshi has thought I am mafia every game for 10+ years. I think he just enjoys murdering me.
The only standout is DP
Wow, the wagon on me on day 1 was so pure :D
Wasn't it just?
Palmar is almost certainly mafia here. Marv thought so. Rayn thought so. They're both dead to night kills. Palmar as town reviles playing with me, so him wanting me more active in this game bodes poorly for all of you given I'm going out first. He doesn't have fun WITH me, he has fun USING me, and he's salty I haven't given him ammo to do so until now. He voted for me instead of Oats even though he had a town read on me and a scum read on Oats D1. Pretty damning in hindsight, considering Oats was red checked AND was the framer.
His filter is all over the place as you'd expect, but there are some nuggets in there. There's this one post locking koshi as town for calling the framer town on D1. As if that's not something mafia are EXPECTED to do. I'm sure he has some reasonable sounding logic, like towncasing is as bad as mafcasing because it invites scrutiny regardless. But he conveniently refuses to factor in that A) it's Koshi and B) we're all big boys and girls and stuff here.
There's also a tendency to do mafia-ish things in his posts that I probably just dislike in general...but he does stuff like subtly fearmonger and appeal to peoples' insecurities. I've seen him do it as town but it's his bread and butter as mafia.
Palmar is probably Mafia Palmar, and frankly he's probably going to win.
I'm actually stopping here for now guys, I have tabs open with MZ iamp and CopCake filters, I had intended to do them tonight - I had actually intended for these all to be in one post - but when I found 2 mafia in Koshi/Palmar I figured the last one can wait. Especially given one of those people is the counterwagon to me and at this point I actually just WANT CopCake to be mafia so I can say the mafia tried to lynch me all game and couldn't - so I'll probably start with CC tomorrow. I HOPE she's mafia but that would be maybe too easy from my perspective.
I am not mafia cool boy.
But so many people say you are, and the majority are NEVER wrong are they?
I just want you to be, i have no opinion on whether you are or not until I filter you. I'm not confirmation biased, just desire biased.
I'll make you a deal though. If I think you're town after reading, I won't join my vote with the rest of the people countering my wagon. I'll vote for someone I think is mafia. Deal?
On March 12 2024 00:27 CopCake wrote: I wouldnt mind Palmar lynch or Rels lynch, mostly because it would give ME perspectives.
But cake stop with your scenarios.
Cant forgive Tfrel got lynched out of thin air.
But you have do see that Trfl was really good in his last Town game and almost knew the hole mafia team at an early start. I think people fear him as mafia when he plays that good as town.
Exactly, that is what I think.
There was probs mafia about to be lynched and someone pulled the shenanigans of lynch him with JAT.
Idr who was the counterwagon of Palmar, need to recheck but TFREL NEVER FORGET
On March 12 2024 00:58 Vivax wrote: MZ + Oats votes make a lot of sense if they're both on mafia JAT and teamed with him. PR votes
I think is the opposite, Oats voted JAT when JAT was not in danger then changed to DMB when JAT was not in danger and then back to JAT when HE was in danger.
Like, he could just fuck off and leave the vote on DMB. It was hard for JAT to catch up Tfrel.
After that you can see from the voting thread that Oats and MZ went to vote JAT
What's the point? Do you have strong reason to believe that JAT and MZ are both town?
JAT
Like TTS was in grilling lands already (he was second wagon with palmar) why risk to lose a mafia partner that is NOT a mafia goon but a mafia power role?
On March 05 2024 09:51 Palmar wrote: Cba arguing with marv now but did make a mental note of him posting about vivax probably being town but not wanting to mayor him. Weird take because voting town mayor is always best. Can just bully them into lynching theme way we want.
But ironically I’m not sure marv would call me mafia as scum because he has no idea if I’m gonna put in work tomorrow or be lazy. But it’s all very weak and I’m not day 1 lynching players who can be relied on to actually try later on in the game.
On March 05 2024 09:54 Palmar wrote: Oats scummy read is for announcing he wants to be mayor but then I skimmed a few more points and he didn’t really push the idea he should be.
- Calls VE town
- Hasnt read vivax filter, hasnt read where he claimed but he wants to mayor him or kill him for claiming. Yet to Marv he told him that it is always a good idea to mayor town vivax, would that be TMI? (Those interactions are on Palmar filter page1)
On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote: So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about.
Oatsmaster
Both initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this:
On March 04 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote: I’m running for mayor
Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing.
On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote: Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town.
Hi again, not a big fan of you not pushing to be mayor, what gives?
I don't think pushing for it actually does anything.
You don’t seem to even want to be mayor
There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor".
It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything.
VisceraEyes
Part of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read.
But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him.
Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good.
On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote: People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game.
I have zero interest in lynching VE today.
DMB
So I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point.
On March 05 2024 06:10 Palmar wrote: Good morning, I see we're up to a casual 60+ pages.
Where did you wake up from???
It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about?
Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM
She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game.
She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though.
But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed.
On March 05 2024 22:14 Palmar wrote: 16/97 pages is just DP, jesus christ
Yeah. Tempted to townread him just for that tbh. Even though I really don't like the way he went about the mayor stuff and the cake push was also meh.
DP is a null, but I've only read his posts in the context of reading other players.
I did like him calling out iamperfection for being wrong about how to deal with Vivax (I'm reading Vivax right now). But some of his other stuff that I've seen has been decidedly meh.
Problem is, he has posted so goddamn much I don't even know what I should read of his postings. I guess I'll go find a list post or something.
But he should maybe just be off the table today just because he has a long filter.
On March 05 2024 22:40 Palmar wrote: I just filtered JSL, there's actually a bunch of stuff in his posts I kinda like. Some of it is just me agreeing with how he thinks about the game (don't kill players who you know will be active), and some of it is just tonal stuff (I'm arrogant cause I don't get lynched as town). Some of it is weirdness... the guy made a case on himself.
On March 05 2024 22:31 Palmar wrote: So thoughts on Vivax
1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia. 2) He did claim so we work with what we got 3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill" 4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax
In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor.
There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, [/]and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point.
That solves that problem for me.
I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though.
I think, I said, he can do this as mafia.
Oh he can, what Vivax lacks in brains he has in balls.
I just don't think anyone is trying to argue that he is. Like make a case on him if you think this is wrong.
That's a false dichotomy. You don't have to think he is mafia in order to prefer someone else as mayor.
You don't have to, I'm not your mom. But it's still stupid.
Like it or not, by claiming Vivax made the game about himself.
The objectively correct play as town here is to lynch him. That is literally the best play. But we've decided not to do that and I kinda think that's the right call. Essentially we assume Vivax is bad town and not mafia. If that's the case he has a very, very strong power role and we think he's town, so we just make him mayor.
I really can't think of why we would not do one or the other if we're playing logically.
We can always force him to kill whoever we want dead, he's not without responsibility as mayor.
- TTS could be a policy lynch but hasnt done much
On March 05 2024 23:05 Palmar wrote: Dumbest scumread ever is that TTS just casually assumed he'd be alive by day 4 or something.
Also even talking about a random voting stage like we're some plebeian third world mafia site is pretty scummy.
But he's done nothing so there's no read. Good policy lynch though.
On March 06 2024 06:47 Palmar wrote: Btw the wagon on me is so bad.
marv is probably just mafia jat has literally no reason to think I am, and is probably mafia anyway. Trfel has literally no reason to think I am Slam is slam Koshi has thought I am mafia every game for 10+ years. I think he just enjoys murdering me.
On March 06 2024 06:54 Palmar wrote: As for other people.
I stand by the sandroba townread, koshi is probably town too. I like Oats a lot more now for actually making sense. I also like JSL and Vivax.
I'd need VE to actually step up some again, same with Trfel. I had some reads on both but they're weak. DMB is also a weak maybe townread.
iamperfection is making sense, but the guy is smart enough to make sense when there is no pressure on him as either alignment.
DP is a little more wildcardy to me this game, I haven't always agreed with his takes.
TTS, JEalous, Hapa just need to be policied out.
I've not read or even noticed Rels at all which is a bad omen.
rayn is weird to me. I'm again getting the feeling that he's just posting a lot and saying very little, also I really, really don't like that he's not pressuring marv at all in the mason QT it seems.
Idk about CopCake, nothjin one way or the other.
MZ looks kinda bad, but it's very weak as I haven't really read him.
On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote: I'm finalizing here.
I like a bunch of mafia in:
rayn jat rels mz tts
then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy
vivax trfel hapa
then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve
iamp marv jealous copcake slam ve
and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town
sandro oats dp dmb jls koshi
None of the lists are in any particular order
I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever.
- wants to lynch oats because of red check
- Makes a case on rayn when he is already dead, but knows oats is red checked. ????????
- Needs to read cop/JSL/dmb etc but wasnt jacob like super town? + Show Spoiler +
On March 09 2024 07:11 Palmar wrote: Essentially it comes down to:
I really need to filter dive CopCake, DMB, MZ, Rels and JSL because there's like 3 mafia in there.
One is probably either Oats or Slam, unless we're just the unluckiest town in the world.
Also if Slam and Vivax are genuinely town and both claimed on day 1, we deserve to lose.
There's gonna be a hidden mafia there somewhere.
- Temped to lynch slam
- temped to lynch VE because he is inactive
[b]As much as I actually can't explain VE's lack of enthusiasm with anything other than him being mafia, I think we NEED to resolve this situation at some point between the red check and slam, and better now than in lylo.
Problems with Palmar
Tone reads VE, changes later because inactivity? Scum reads Oats, but never pushes him Says a lot about other players but when he gets questioned about them he says he hasnt filter them. JAT is mafia because ??????? Rayn called JAT mafia yet he scumread rayn when he started to question him? Temped to lynch THE COP over the red check.
I dont know Palmar that much, I remember he once made a joke about Koshi that made me laugh in a game I was in obvs, if he has a mafia read does he push HARD or not?
Also is ok if you lynch me, I think VE is town, he could have parked his vote on me and afk but he didnt, he also put effort in reading and I do believe his rage of getting mad because he put EFFORT and got ignored.
On March 12 2024 06:01 DarthPunk wrote: Does anyone recall her first real post of the game just being over the top aggressive calling me mafia out of nowhere and never letting it go.
She literally couldn’t reevaluate her reads at all until I literally became confirmed town. Then she just wasted all day talking bullshit about night actions.
Also what happened to her imperfection scum read.
She calls him scum day one, literally drops it never mentions it again.
Does this seem like town to you all?
You are not confirmed town, there is a slimy, tiny chance you can be mafia.
Me and DMB discussed about it. We agreed it was less likely.
Besides if you are TOWN, you should know I am NOT mafia because of night actions shenanigans, I talked about this earlier.
On March 12 2024 06:03 CopCake wrote: Also is ok if you lynch me, I think VE is town, he could have parked his vote on me and afk but he didnt, he also put effort in reading and I do believe his rage of getting mad because he put EFFORT and got ignored.
He did park his vote on you then afked to start though.
But he came back, made reads, etc. Something he didnt do when he was mafia with slam and i forgot who else.
On March 12 2024 06:01 DarthPunk wrote: Does anyone recall her first real post of the game just being over the top aggressive calling me mafia out of nowhere and never letting it go.
She literally couldn’t reevaluate her reads at all until I literally became confirmed town. Then she just wasted all day talking bullshit about night actions.
Also what happened to her imperfection scum read.
She calls him scum day one, literally drops it never mentions it again.
Does this seem like town to you all?
For what its worth the bolded does not and has not convinced me now or before. What's the mafia motivation behind openly antagonizing you like that? The focus on you and the night actions was bit much, yes.
Tunneling one person for a majority of the game doesn't look scum motivated to you?
On March 12 2024 06:01 DarthPunk wrote: Does anyone recall her first real post of the game just being over the top aggressive calling me mafia out of nowhere and never letting it go.
She literally couldn’t reevaluate her reads at all until I literally became confirmed town. Then she just wasted all day talking bullshit about night actions.
Also what happened to her imperfection scum read.
She calls him scum day one, literally drops it never mentions it again.
Does this seem like town to you all?
You are not confirmed town, there is a slimy, tiny chance you can be mafia.
Me and DMB discussed about it. We agreed it was less likely.
Besides if you are TOWN, you should know I am NOT mafia because of night actions shenanigans, I talked about this earlier.
- Gunguy should consider at least DMB, me and VE town if he is town. No way mafia allows a shot to happen or take the opportunity to kill a big boi player.
- He is not 100% confirmed. I think it was mentioned by someone before but it could be he is mafia vig that got blocked when jailkeeper vivax protected him. This is like a slim chance and only consider it if - the big boi - is alive next time. I mean he has a bullet proof vest.
- I do not want VE lynched next day if I get lynched. I do believe he is town.
- I think DMB is town, also Jacob town.
- Vote movement makes me believe that JAT is town.
On March 12 2024 18:35 Vivax wrote: Ima scratch that actually.
JS fakeclaimed gunsmith, pretended to give gun to mafia vig DP.
Everyone thinks Js is town now so he is semi-checked out, DP shoots lazy teammate. Oats is thrown to the wolves to placate the thirst for blood of the town.
DMB gets NDAd in scumchat so she stops bussing every teammate (she was tunneled on Oats DP and they tunneled her back at some point)
I like the moxy but why are DP and I constantly on the right lynch though?
On March 12 2024 19:54 justanothertownie wrote: Marv did not say palmar is mafia. He strongly called him town. How are you all getting this wrong. VEs case was also not very good.
I really love how you put your own name in the list of people who read him mafia though.
In which world do you live now?
You do not have to make big reads just who do you think is more town.
On March 12 2024 21:14 CopCake wrote: Why am I town, Koshi?
Same reason here. He just give me Townreads because of MZ You get Townreads without any explanation from him. There are always reason why you Townread somebody. That hole Koshi thing in this game just feels like a bit lazy mafia...
DmB I have a meta townread on you, I'm not going to argue against people who say you haven't done much to help out but I'm gonna tell them I think you're a mislynch waiting to happen.
That's what Koshi felt about cake, and for what it's worth after the shenanigans of yesterday I actually kinda find myself agreeing with him.
Sometimes to solve games like this, at some point you have to accept someone else's read is more correct on a person, I wouldn't call Koshi scum for TRing you based on my read, just expedient to try and narrow down the pool of people he has to analyze. If I'm wrong about you dmb and you win as scum, I'll take my ridicule post game.
As scum, I wouldn't question a townread about me, no matter who it was from, but as a town I have to. Especially when it comes from Koshi. Of the last 3 games, I didn't get a single townread from him, no matter what I was.
OK that's fair, was he town or scum when he was calling you scum?
Also I'm very sure I was part of a push to mislynch you in your first game and now I'm townreading you for very similar play, Koshi could be willing to listen to me because he's also learned your meta a bit.
I think that's all I'll say on this for now, I don't wanna put words in Koshi's mouth and it's definitely your right to be suspicious of him.
First game he was Town and I was Town Second game he was Mafia and I was Town Third game he was Town and I was Mafia
Yeah I remember I obvs your first game and that motivated me to play again when I rolled scum, that was why I was thinking it was your second of town - town.
The case of interest to me is TTS - inactive - doesnt care - tfrel is better lynch because - reasons - even if he posted better.
Yet - VE was the wagon vs Oatmaster - wasnt he a political lynch option? (TTS) - why give the privilege to live TTS than your town coolest neighbor VE? Specially if you enjoy to play with him?
Besides - his imminent dead was announced (TTS) - mafia goon - VE getting lynched for inactivity while TTS is in the same position - Killing - me - would had been better and understandable.
On March 12 2024 02:08 CopCake wrote: I should have quoted with the strikes but yeah, phone posting.
Where is DMB?
Btw if you're town, remember your logic here in the post game.
Because it is strictly the incorrect way to play mafia. Vote count analysis is about the most useless thing you can do.
I'm not gonna argue about it now, but if you think someone is mafia, you should go read their filter and find out why they're mafia for what they said. Ideas like the one you have here is just bad play.
On March 04 2024 12:33 Oatsmaster wrote: Trefel do you want to be mayor?
Sorry I completely missed this somehow.
I wouldn't mind being mayor, I think one advantage of me theoretically being mayor is that I am generally obvious town. I think it's very dangerous to nominate someone like Holyflare as mayor, since he has an extremely terrifying scum game capability, and giving them the extra protection is dangerous. Unfortunately I'm pretty garbage as mafia, and I think someone with a bad scum game is a good choice for mayor.
However, I also am garbage at day 1's. Like DarthPunk, I don't think campaigning for mayor makes much sense, if people want to vote for me they can, I'm not going to worry too much about it.@DarthPunk, why don't you like Oatsmaster? I just read through his filter and it actually seems reasonable to me.
This is so weird, why did oatmaster ask Tfrel to be mayor?
On March 04 2024 12:33 Oatsmaster wrote: Trefel do you want to be mayor?
Sorry I completely missed this somehow.
I wouldn't mind being mayor, I think one advantage of me theoretically being mayor is that I am generally obvious town. I think it's very dangerous to nominate someone like Holyflare as mayor, since he has an extremely terrifying scum game capability, and giving them the extra protection is dangerous. Unfortunately I'm pretty garbage as mafia, and I think someone with a bad scum game is a good choice for mayor.
However, I also am garbage at day 1's. Like DarthPunk, I don't think campaigning for mayor makes much sense, if people want to vote for me they can, I'm not going to worry too much about it.@DarthPunk, why don't you like Oatsmaster? I just read through his filter and it actually seems reasonable to me.
This is so weird, why did oatmaster ask Tfrel to be mayor?
Why is that interesting in your opinion? They are both dead.
Because it was out of nowhere.
There must be a reason.
Why is analyzing the interactions of the dead players bad? Ofc I am also seeing how Tfrel reacted to others but this pinged me in the wrong way.
On March 04 2024 12:33 Oatsmaster wrote: Trefel do you want to be mayor?
Sorry I completely missed this somehow.
I wouldn't mind being mayor, I think one advantage of me theoretically being mayor is that I am generally obvious town. I think it's very dangerous to nominate someone like Holyflare as mayor, since he has an extremely terrifying scum game capability, and giving them the extra protection is dangerous. Unfortunately I'm pretty garbage as mafia, and I think someone with a bad scum game is a good choice for mayor.
However, I also am garbage at day 1's. Like DarthPunk, I don't think campaigning for mayor makes much sense, if people want to vote for me they can, I'm not going to worry too much about it.@DarthPunk, why don't you like Oatsmaster? I just read through his filter and it actually seems reasonable to me.
This is so weird, why did oatmaster ask Tfrel to be mayor?
Why is that interesting in your opinion? They are both dead.
Because it was out of nowhere.
There must be a reason.
Why is analyzing the interactions of the dead players bad? Ofc I am also seeing how Tfrel reacted to others but this pinged me in the wrong way.
What is the implication of this interaction to you about the players currently alive and the current game state?
I play the game in a different way that you can call garbage.
I have had the theory that Tfrel wagon was because - someone was afraid - . I will always ask myself why TTS or even VE werent the lynch if - I understood correctly - the lynch was because Tfrel wasnt engaging enough in contrast to his amazing town game, lack of activity, voting just something, etc.
There are factors I noticed that people might have no considered because they do not think they are important but Tfrel had a birthday cake on his username when the game started, he said he wasnt aware it wasnt his birthday so people let it go but it is something that stayed on my head so not seeing a lot of him to me could have been justified because he was busy irl.
Other things I considered unfair is that he explained his reasons to be inactive and it was considered AtE. I remember a game in which marv shared something irl and he got questioned of AtE but got the benefit of the doubt. Why didnt Tfrel got that treatment? Why didnt they change TTS when Tfrel posted that?
I have played with Tfrel so so so so many games you know he doesnt pull that stuff. I assume others have played more times with him than me.
I am very suspicious of some people that were in his wagon. Specially Palmar.
He calls out Tfrel for just voting for the sake of voting, calls Slam is just Slam but when Slam changes his vote for pressure , “Slam is a good boy”.
You can check that part from the Palmar filter to see if I am not missreading.
On March 13 2024 09:11 iamperfection wrote: If i understand the game correctly mafia have to RB vivax and shoot either DP or Jacob. If something other then that happens reassess. If i die really reassess. My updated what i think posting now as i have to do something and might not be back before deadline so just in case a weird kill happens.
Iamperfection innocent child. More townie then even those confirmed by mechanics
JacobStrangelove Only way to be scum would be if he and DP were scum together which I consider to be almost impossible.
DarthPunk He is town. Way too invested. The shoot mafia partner theory I put at less then .02 %
Vivax He town. His insane muck up the thread that nobody with half a brain on mafia team would buy just posting too much no reason to doubt the claim.
die_meatbaby - I think there are just some posts that show a tiny bit of critical thinking. Don’t think they would be capable of that as mafia.
justanothertownie- Eh hard to say has some overly deffensive posts which suggest a scum mindset. Post #5588 stands out to me as being overly deffensive. Post 5525 is a list post which reaches no conclusion so not sure why it would be posted. Possible scum but i dont feel that strong about it. More recently had some posts where he was trying to figure stuff out I guess. Don’t feel too strong here.
Meapak_Ziphh- I guess its possible to be scum but i dont know i think i can understand his posting especially at the time of the lynch in what he was doing. Also remembered the cake thing when i asked. Also some aggresiveness in his posting
Rels- I kind of like the callout of jealous he had recently and also his analysis of what happened with DMB right at the deadline so possibly town. If cop is mafia ballsy play and if town seems unnecessary to me. i think possibly town.
Jealous- I had a weird feels ever since he returned to the game. I thought his posting right after the flip was weird he goes I hate you all then extends an olive branch? I feel like I cant read this guy though.
CopCaketried to cheat so town. For you dummies that don’t read the thread brought information that rayn was laughing at the post confirming he was having said good time at a point when people were trying to determine his alignment. Fuck my cheating analysis scratch all that the late voting seems awfully suspicious to me as it seemed almost like a scum that wasn’t following the game state voted the wrong person and then had to move it back to scum. Plus the majority of posting is just half baked conspiracy theories also was right around posting for the lynch but then disappears for the flip like come on. Almost seems like a mission failed we’ll get them next time to me scum. I still think its possible to be mafia. keeps on bringing up irrelevant stuff like oats wanted to make trfel mafia which i dont understand why that would ping to anyone.
Koshi - The way he handled the whisperer is so bizarre to me. What rayn did is what i expect a town member to do. his posting recently seems depressed which I don’t understand why. The recent the lynch tomorrow is koshi or palmar almost feels like a play to me. I haven't really felt koshis presence this game.
Palmar I really think marv is being clouded by meta here. His posts don’t make sense to me and he doesn’t appear to be scum hunting. Tunneled Rayn for no reason despite rayn being obvious town imo and ignored any evidence. Has no time but was able to waste time making a fake case on dead rayn. Calls me mafia devoid of any reasoning. I don’t buy the drunk posting either. I don’t see scum hunting I see mafia. I feel like if you look at his town games he tends to more aggressive with people and confrontational. Jacob has some great points some better then others especially palmar voting for ve over oats especially when palmar has been lecturing about proper ways to play. I also think he somewhat broke the veil when we had our bromance moment about playing to win. Both Koshi and palmar have the thoughts this game is now a new mini almost feels like the pep talk they gave themselves after losing two mafia in the same cycle.
Gonna stop you right there but you have noticed there exist something timezones and people post according to them, right?
Calling me scum because I didnt stay awake 24 hrs is like huh? I mean I know is just a point but you can say the same for Rels. People post according to their timezones.
On March 12 2024 15:09 JacobStrangelove wrote: Yeah mafia is Palmer, Koshi, easy not sure on last
Cc is town because playing so drastically against win con as scum when you know ve is town is dumb.
It was scummy before but now we know VE is town Cc is town.
I wonder. Now that VE flipped scum, her insistence on calling VE town looks like TMI to me If CopCake is scum, then DMB has to be town too. That's the 2 players she's treated as confirmed town throughout the last day
On March 13 2024 00:50 CopCake wrote: I am lynching Palmar tomorrow no matter what, is my duty as town to do so.
Why?
??? CopCake, why would you lynch Palmar? He's confirmed town in your view, since DP said he would shoot him during N2.
Well dp hit scum with his shot so obviously dp is now likely town what kinda a question is that?
In the world of CopCake, she and DMB are confirmed town because DP said he was going to shoot them N2 and wasn't roleblocked. Checking DP's posts, he also mentioned he would shoot Palmar VE and I
I have said many times and talked that if DP is town then in that world DMB is town.
On March 13 2024 10:36 Rels wrote: Kind of lost I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario
Dude wtf me and jelaous have been like grrr grrr you mean no you cant read no you this, no you that to the point of insanity
On March 13 2024 12:36 iamperfection wrote: Vivax the mafia had two choices. It was Jacob or dp. They choose Jacob. Trying to guess their reasons is going to be real hard. My guess They choose Jacob to set up palmar or to remove an anti palmar townie.
This is important, killing Jacob from a mafia perspective is important.
One of the options is to keep big boi DP alive to go against copcake.
Oh, a conspiracy theory?
Am I town Rels? I mean my conspiracy of people wanting to kill tfrel wasnt big enough? Or ponder why people didnt kill tts?
On March 13 2024 12:32 Vivax wrote: And DP you are being too obtuse about Jealous and MZ for me to place any trust into you at this point.
Your confidence interval is too fucking high my dude
This is a hard game right now.
You're ignoring evidence on Jealous. For two days.
And it's not associative. You know how bad it looks for you if he flips scum here.
If cop flips town what do we get? Nothing. If she flips scum? Nothing.
I am probably the only person who has called Jealous potential mafia in this game. I have yet to see a good reason for him being town that isn't a vote on redchecks.
I mean, to be fair, if Cop flips town then I look pretty dang bad and stupid, and iamp looks pretty good because then there would have been no point in him switching votes and painting a target on his back, right?
No, Iamp called me mafia for dumb reasons and he is the one who changed the hammer.
On March 13 2024 12:52 Jealous wrote: [quote] Assuming Vivax is successful in getting me mislynched D4, then he's been on a town wagon a confirmed 3 times out of 4, with the jury still out on CopCake, and is either scum or really, really bad this game.
Do you think he could be mafia?
He's been a default TR for me for so long since his D1 claim that I haven't bothered to see if it was mathematically/logically possible. Assuming it is, then there is always a non-0 chance.
Like, what would a scum!Vivax world look like?
1. Claims JK and doesn't get cc'd because there is no JK in this setup. 2. If he's JK, then there has to be a scum RB to RB him every night, which is why he hasn't been able to save anyone as far as we can tell, right? But if he's not JK, then there is no longer that necessity in the setup.
In this world, scum!Vivax made an absurd D1 play, and then keeps doing relatively absurd things like not voting to lynch what we now know is cop!Slam's reveal of a scum!Oats and instead helping the wagon of town!VE, then flip-flops between town!VE and (I guess in this world we have to assume?) town!CopCake before parking his vote on CopCake... Because he has a tendency to be erratic so it would be NAI and he thinks that his D1 play will give him enough town cred to shrug off any accusations?
Well assuming they have a roleblocker over a strongarm
The fact that I got a shot off means that vivax has to be a jail keeper unless from your perspective we are paired
Vivax says he jailed Slam, so if Vivax gets RB'd, Slam and marv die to 2 Mafia KP, and you get your shot off on TTS, no? Where is the missing RB?
Exactly.
If vivax is mafia why was he roleblocked? And not me? Ergo
He is not mafia. Because if he was a roleblock is missing.
Unless you think we are partnered or you think it is likely there is no roleblocker.
Got it. So then I must have misunderstood what you meant when you said "there are missing roleblocks" because now you're saying there aren't any missing roleblocks?
It’s context. if you think vivax is mafia there are missing roleblocks
I’m phone posting so shortening sentences.
Big boi, do you believe now you werent roleblocked because you were about to kill town?
On March 13 2024 13:16 Jealous wrote: [quote] He's been a default TR for me for so long since his D1 claim that I haven't bothered to see if it was mathematically/logically possible. Assuming it is, then there is always a non-0 chance.
Like, what would a scum!Vivax world look like?
1. Claims JK and doesn't get cc'd because there is no JK in this setup. 2. If he's JK, then there has to be a scum RB to RB him every night, which is why he hasn't been able to save anyone as far as we can tell, right? But if he's not JK, then there is no longer that necessity in the setup.
In this world, scum!Vivax made an absurd D1 play, and then keeps doing relatively absurd things like not voting to lynch what we now know is cop!Slam's reveal of a scum!Oats and instead helping the wagon of town!VE, then flip-flops between town!VE and (I guess in this world we have to assume?) town!CopCake before parking his vote on CopCake... Because he has a tendency to be erratic so it would be NAI and he thinks that his D1 play will give him enough town cred to shrug off any accusations?
Well assuming they have a roleblocker over a strongarm
The fact that I got a shot off means that vivax has to be a jail keeper unless from your perspective we are paired
Vivax says he jailed Slam, so if Vivax gets RB'd, Slam and marv die to 2 Mafia KP, and you get your shot off on TTS, no? Where is the missing RB?
Exactly.
If vivax is mafia why was he roleblocked? And not me? Ergo
He is not mafia. Because if he was a roleblock is missing.
Unless you think we are partnered or you think it is likely there is no roleblocker.
Got it. So then I must have misunderstood what you meant when you said "there are missing roleblocks" because now you're saying there aren't any missing roleblocks?
It’s context. if you think vivax is mafia there are missing roleblocks
I’m phone posting so shortening sentences.
Big boi, do you believe now you werent roleblocked because you were about to kill town?
Yeah I think it’s more likely. I think your alignment is really important because if you are town some people look way worse. Rels in particular also jealous to a certain extent.
If you are mafia, then koshi and perfection look worse for example.
What’s the most posts you ever had in a game cake?
On March 13 2024 14:32 DarthPunk wrote: Cake if you are town and you know you are town then there are some pretty obvious conclusions to draw from that.
On March 13 2024 13:27 Jealous wrote: [quote] You're gonna have to walk me through this.
Well assuming they have a roleblocker over a strongarm
The fact that I got a shot off means that vivax has to be a jail keeper unless from your perspective we are paired
Vivax says he jailed Slam, so if Vivax gets RB'd, Slam and marv die to 2 Mafia KP, and you get your shot off on TTS, no? Where is the missing RB?
Exactly.
If vivax is mafia why was he roleblocked? And not me? Ergo
He is not mafia. Because if he was a roleblock is missing.
Unless you think we are partnered or you think it is likely there is no roleblocker.
Got it. So then I must have misunderstood what you meant when you said "there are missing roleblocks" because now you're saying there aren't any missing roleblocks?
It’s context. if you think vivax is mafia there are missing roleblocks
I’m phone posting so shortening sentences.
Big boi, do you believe now you werent roleblocked because you were about to kill town?
Yeah I think it’s more likely. I think your alignment is really important because if you are town some people look way worse. Rels in particular also jealous to a certain extent.
If you are mafia, then koshi and perfection look worse for example.
What’s the most posts you ever had in a game cake?
I have like absolutely no idea.
Well right now you have 30 pages.
Is there a town game that has been close to this?
I seriously do not know DP !!!
Because in some games I have survived as town, It was a drawing game. HF was there, I think jelaous too.
I think I also posted a lot in the chezinuuu is mafia game by Glowing Bear.
But I think my consistency in posting is almost the same as either i am mafia or town?
Only when I have rolled scum so many times in a row I do not post a lot.
On March 13 2024 14:32 DarthPunk wrote: Cake if you are town and you know you are town then there are some pretty obvious conclusions to draw from that.
On March 13 2024 14:32 DarthPunk wrote: Cake if you are town and you know you are town then there are some pretty obvious conclusions to draw from that.
You would have a team of Rels+jealous+ who?
In that world is either koshi or Palmar.
Wait. What do you mean “in that world”?
In the world you are town?
The world is rels and jelaous.
Tell me your reads in the world you are town then cake. That is important right now.
In all worlds I am town, duh
The one I firmly believe more RN is Palmar/Koshi
Palmar I posted yesterday
Koshi when he told me to shut up I got like ???????? He even said cake focus on something different and I wanted to discuss why his change of heart last minute like yeah kill cake she needs to flip, idk about this, yada yada. I wanted to understand the - feelings - and felt like he closed the door in my face.
On March 13 2024 14:32 DarthPunk wrote: Cake if you are town and you know you are town then there are some pretty obvious conclusions to draw from that.
You would have a team of Rels+jealous+ who?
In that world is either koshi or Palmar.
Wait. What do you mean “in that world”?
In the world you are town?
The world is rels and jelaous.
Tell me your reads in the world you are town then cake. That is important right now.
In all worlds I am town, duh
The one I firmly believe more RN is Palmar/Koshi
Palmar I posted yesterday
Koshi when he told me to shut up I got like ???????? He even said cake focus on something different and I wanted to discuss why his change of heart last minute like yeah kill cake she needs to flip, idk about this, yada yada. I wanted to understand the - feelings - and felt like he closed the door in my face.
What happened to jealous you were voting him all yesterday?
On March 13 2024 14:32 DarthPunk wrote: Cake if you are town and you know you are town then there are some pretty obvious conclusions to draw from that.
You would have a team of Rels+jealous+ who?
In that world is either koshi or Palmar.
Wait. What do you mean “in that world”?
In the world you are town?
The world is rels and jelaous.
Tell me your reads in the world you are town then cake. That is important right now.
In all worlds I am town, duh
The one I firmly believe more RN is Palmar/Koshi
Palmar I posted yesterday
Koshi when he told me to shut up I got like ???????? He even said cake focus on something different and I wanted to discuss why his change of heart last minute like yeah kill cake she needs to flip, idk about this, yada yada. I wanted to understand the - feelings - and felt like he closed the door in my face.
Wait, so if you perceive people to be mean to you, that means they are scum?
No, MZ is aggressive for example and I dont think he is mafia here.
In the case of Koshi it has been cute cute cute nice cute and then when I wanted to question about why his wishy washy feelings he just say no, that question is ass and that is it.
On March 13 2024 14:32 DarthPunk wrote: Cake if you are town and you know you are town then there are some pretty obvious conclusions to draw from that.
You would have a team of Rels+jealous+ who?
In that world is either koshi or Palmar.
Wait. What do you mean “in that world”?
In the world you are town?
The world is rels and jelaous.
Tell me your reads in the world you are town then cake. That is important right now.
In all worlds I am town, duh
The one I firmly believe more RN is Palmar/Koshi
Palmar I posted yesterday
Koshi when he told me to shut up I got like ???????? He even said cake focus on something different and I wanted to discuss why his change of heart last minute like yeah kill cake she needs to flip, idk about this, yada yada. I wanted to understand the - feelings - and felt like he closed the door in my face.
Wait, so if you perceive people to be mean to you, that means they are scum?
No, MZ is aggressive for example and I dont think he is mafia here.
In the case of Koshi it has been cute cute cute nice cute and then when I wanted to question about why his wishy washy feelings he just say no, that question is ass and that is it.
Do you think the Jacob kill implicates palmar as mafia more or is more about aiming for me to lynch you as town?
- I think they want you to drive the lynch on me - Jacob kill only confirms he gave you the gun and that is a world most people lived in so it gives no info in general, if something debunks the DP/JSL/DMB vivax proposed - jacob + copcake i dont think is something Palmar would fear but jacob touching your heart and making you have a change of heart yes.
Well if you lynch me and everybody sees I flip town I will engrave these words to my fellow townies:
DP is not Clear town.
The jacob kill also helps mafiaDP to be like “hohohohoho see Jacob gave me a gun I am so town”
I really, really tried to work with DP but he just doesnt want to do it, he pretends but he doesnt.
Why can I work with people like HF and Rayn when we are all town? Even when we have differences we try to listen to each other and figure out the game using the smartness and the logic of those two and my super ability of town reading ENFJ powers.
Like seriously, if you are town why dont you want to work with me?
If you are town you should see this world only: if mafia didnt block you when you killed TTS if for a reason.
Go ahead, lynch me once me.
But I decree when I flip that DP is NOT clearly town.
I must be clearly the mafia with the biggest fucking balls in the whole universe.
I tried to live in the world you were town, I even wanted to bond as bros and that is why I brought Bluey in the thread so we could talk about it because I fucking love that show and I read you like it, but yeah.
On March 13 2024 12:48 DarthPunk wrote: Vivax if jealous is town what then?
Assuming Vivax is successful in getting me mislynched D4, then he's been on a town wagon a confirmed 3 times out of 4, with the jury still out on CopCake, and is either scum or really, really bad this game.
Do you think he could be mafia?
He's been a default TR for me for so long since his D1 claim that I haven't bothered to see if it was mathematically/logically possible. Assuming it is, then there is always a non-0 chance.
Like, what would a scum!Vivax world look like?
1. Claims JK and doesn't get cc'd because there is no JK in this setup. 2. If he's JK, then there has to be a scum RB to RB him every night, which is why he hasn't been able to save anyone as far as we can tell, right? But if he's not JK, then there is no longer that necessity in the setup.
In this world, scum!Vivax made an absurd D1 play, and then keeps doing relatively absurd things like not voting to lynch what we now know is cop!Slam's reveal of a scum!Oats and instead helping the wagon of town!VE, then flip-flops between town!VE and (I guess in this world we have to assume?) town!CopCake before parking his vote on CopCake... Because he has a tendency to be erratic so it would be NAI and he thinks that his D1 play will give him enough town cred to shrug off any accusations?
Veteran (you have 1 bulletproof vest. If shot at night your vest will break but you will survive. You will die if shot at night a second time. If roleblocked your vest doesn't protect you. You will not be notified if you are shot.)
On March 13 2024 20:13 iamperfection wrote: Cake can you do me a favor and write down a scenario where dp is town. Look at his play in it's entirety and put it in the thread.
I am working on this, will be a long post.
I am coming to conclusions with is the most realistic world in which DP is town. I dont want to make a mess with several probabilities.
All post will be with my perspective of DP town but I will organize my ideas in a pretty way for Koshi’s respect.
-Jacob gives a gun to DP (Confirmed) That is understandable because Jacob loves DP and trusts him. -Slam checks Oats (Confirmed) -Rayn protected Slam according to Marv, and it fits. We know Marv was town so. -Vivax Jailed DP - Rayn died - Sandro died
Conclusion: In my opinion, a mafia vig went for Slam, and Rayn saved him. This is not confirmed, but it is the most likely scenario. I also think Vivax was blocked during this phase. It is not confirmed, but it is very probable.
-DP shoots TTS (Confirmed) - Vivax jails slam - Slam dies - Marv dies
Conclusion: In this case, it is very likely that Vivax got blocked (duh), and Slam died. This makes me very certain there is a roleblocker. Assuming there is a JK and a Confirmed JOAT, I think balance-wise, there should be a roleblocker, but that is my view of this world.
Following this idea (DP town) makes me believe that DP didn't get blocked because 1.- TTS was already getting grilled, and his inactivity would have made him go to the lynch pile instead of VE, perhaps. So, if he died, it was like, meh, besides, he was just "a goon."
2. The Mafia gambled and was very sure DP would shoot either a townie (DMB and I were the ones I remember he mentioned more, apparently I read somewhere he also mentioned VE?) because of how we had been acting the whole game—DP vs. Cake, Cake vs. DP.
Point 2 also makes me believe that a Mafia participated in the last game I played and saw the DP vs. Cake that happened there. They are pulling the strings to make us fight, and it doesn't help that my personality and DPs don't get along. It could be his paranoia or my stubbornness; who knows, but I think the Mafia is exploiting this in the worldview that DP is town.
This is a bit tricky because I will be assuming things according to what I have seen in the relationship between DP and Jacob so far in this game and the other. DP has shown a soft side for his Aussie boys, TTT and Jacob, who, regardless of whether Jacob is right on his reads according to DP or not in an opinion, DP would take a deep breath and try to think about Jacob's point of view.
In addition, Jacob's death does not add any new information to the thread except for confirming that he was the gunsmith and that the crazy theory that got planted of Jacob-DMB-DP does not exist. Most people were already assuming he was the gunsmith; tone-wise, Jacob sounded bubbly, adorable, free, and happy. His enthusiasm was pretty townie.
Nevertheless, why Jacob and not DP? DP has a more strong presence. This is from my POV, but it is because the mafia more likely wants DP vs Cake and that we fuck up.
Marv is an excellent player, and he was one of the people who said, "DP, Cake, please stop." Jacob also was, "Cake, DP is town," and yesterday he said, "I think Cake is town DP."
Killing a confirmed blue role is not surprising. If they had killed DP, Jacob would have been confirmed. Killing Jacob doesn't confirm DP; that is why DP is alive if he is in town.
If DP is town, the mafia wants the rest of the townies to have paranoia over DP. Let's say DP gets to lynch me; I flip town; who looks BAD?
I would assume DP would get all fuck this shit, fuck you, cake, you played so scummy, fuck I need to rearrange my ideas. If he is town, I would believe he would get extremely frustrated and probably a bit - sad?, maybe - because I think he is like a big bear that is super deadly but also has this - soft - side. I mean, he is friends with Jacob, so I guess he is between TTT (who is super serious) and a little less bubbly and shiny than Jacob.
In this scenario, DMB is cleared. I also noticed that people act like vultures around her to see if she does something scummy.
So that leaves us with these reads from the top of my head. I want to filter dive them with scrutinity but who am I kidding? I might not be able to do it because - irl -
Vivax: I think action activity from the night he is almost clear, Jealous: This one is clouded because he makes me go with two emotions simultaneously. Bothers me a lot; he is like CAKE, HAVE YOU READ DPS GAME, CAKE WHERE ARE THE SCREENSHOTS, like I wasn't lying the I am sad thing, etc. I don't want to post anymore. So I cant read a neutral read. I mean he called me out and make a joke of me and jat being stupid for saying vivax could be mafia and now he is trying to recreate the world in which vivax is mafia, say what? Meapak_Ziphh: I think he is town, this read is by tone and personality. Palmar: I have said enough. But after filtering Koshi with scrutinity I am like ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh justanothertownie: He... exists? Iamperfection: I think he is the most neutral one, trying to scum hunt, agressive in a nice way, there was this thing while reading Oats filter that he seemed also so obsessed with Iamperfection, idk if he was trying to pocket Iamp or what. Like the discussed, it wasnt all butterflies and agreements. Koshi: This one is weird too because I dont know how to take his actions from my close lynch and after that. I also feel like I am a doll here, like a "I told you so she was town you fucking idiots" when I flip town if DP gets me lynched. After that he would try to "drive" the town. Rels: The biggest problem I have with Rels is that he town reads me for the same reasons he scum reads me FROM THE SAME GAME; it should be one or the other. I also think, maybe? He tried to save me because my flip would give DP a new perspective of the game? Me being alive creates more chaos, I must admit.
So in conclusion:
Koshi/Rels/Someone
If DP is town, Koshi fits the "let us make DP and Cake fight" besides there are these posts
Koshi claims I am unreadable and then that he has read me once. If he cant read me how is he townreading me so hard atm?
On March 05 2024 05:24 Koshi wrote: I am on page 25 right now and I am not getting anything out of it anymore.
Oats posts too much to be lynched today. I don't enjoy reading his posts but that doesn't make him mafia. I think he deserves time to develop his play due to activity.
Copcake is unreadable. I don't feel like she is hiding though. I just don't get what she is thinking yet.
tfrel I will filter right now. He is also in my null pile with all these people but the most in hiding.
Slam is being slam. Not going to go further into that. He can stay alive, but if rayn kills him I won't be upset.
mebaby made bad posts and a couple sensible posts after that doesn't change that. She is in red territory but won't be lynched most likely because she is active enough. (shouldn't be lynched d1 in such a big game imo)
On March 05 2024 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: sandroba what marv is telling you is true.
lol this is funny
On March 05 2024 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 05 2024 01:51 iamperfection wrote: I do find it odd marv isn't posting in the thread
I told a couple of hours ago to him that people are gonna scumread him for playing the game only in discord with 2 mason chats ^^
If mafia makes me mayor. I am willing to shoot marv. Just putting that out there.
0 fucks would be given.
Great way to not end up as mayor.
Koshi can I have a list post? Doesn’t need to be everyone just enough so that I can see where your head is at
page 36 and too angry to continue.
But
town: iamp cuz town best time was in the first pages and he was a driving factor. dp: I wrote 'good interpretation of DP vs Oats' but that seems incorrect. That being said. I don't dislike your copcake stuff but I haven't read it because it doesn't spark anything in me. I am pretty sure I read copcake really good of one of her first posts in a previous game because she backtracked on a story after being called out. So I am waiting on her to fuck up. She is just playing a different game as me here, but not in a bad way. Vivax I like him MZ Ugly posts, but I can see him being town and him finding his way
Null Oats
Mafia DMB because bad start TheNewGuy because I don't like that entrance Tfrel because reasoning given. Too safe. marv because he can die
Here he tells me DP mafia, later he says DP is town. Just remember this.
On March 06 2024 13:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Its completely unreasonable to think those people are mafia for lynching Trfel unless you think Palmar is 100% mafia.
My theory is that they wanted Tfrel out of the equation. I honestly do not know where to place Palmar there.
Ie. Koshi wanted to lynch Tfrel but he respected other people’s view on him he contained (even mine)
Here, we have vivax who called tfrel bad and mafia many times for not being active when I proved that Tfrel is not a spammer.
🤷🏽♀️
They only started the wagon because DP came in. DP knows about Tfrel good reads.
It also bugs me a lot that Tfrel HAVE talked about his mental health issues before and there are several active TL frequent posters who know that.
I have never also found Vivax to be pedantic? And in this game it feels so. He tends to fight the status quo but not here.
Vivax is never mafia. He is too active, too funny and he is making really good observations. The other 2 are fair game if you want to pursue them. I think DP could be mafia. We should limit his posts to 60 for D2. If he does more we policy lynch him. I think he very well could be mafia shitting up this thread.
Here I was considering why Mafia didnt kill Slam, but Koshi threw the shade of - Slam might be not blue and lied - to protect Oats?
On March 08 2024 02:23 Koshi wrote: If you want my opinion: rayn: because ve and or Palmar are mafia. I think mafia wouldn't kill rayn over marv if it wasnt the reads. Marv has way more pull in the thread. (Supertinfoil. Cuz marv is mafia and rayn claimed to him)
I forgot thz second kill lol. I am going insane.
You need to consider Mafia either didnt believe Slam´s claim or were more afraid of Rayn / Sandro
Yeah. Why not shoot slam. Would mafia have known rayn was blue? Because that would make it less likely slam also is blue?
But then marv is mafia.
Here he thinks DP is town (Remember when he told me DP could be mafia) and comments about me like yeah cake is townie but she can be traitor
On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote: Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.
So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.
If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.
You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread.
CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1.
but at the same time, inmediatly considers Jacob not Gunsmith? If you read DP town, shouldnt Koshi consider Jacob lock town there? Here he also says OATS needs to die but later does everything to save him.
On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote: Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.
So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.
If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.
You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread.
CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1.
Koshi talk to me, where are you at right now
You have to die because I am too time constrained to reread and get invested. I am quite clueless this game. Those names I posted earlier are my choices but I dont have good reasons. It's more PoE. MZ I think is mafia. Really think he is faking activity when he is here. And he has some towntells he didnt show. (Rage after lynch) Rels is playing a safe scumgame and will be very hard to lynch. Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc.
My townreads are pretty solid I think. (Yes I realise my only towncase this game was on a redcheck)
So VE, Dmb, Palmar left (cuz rayn)
And then TTS who could be anything.
He also uses a lot of emo posts to save OATS
On March 09 2024 03:46 Koshi wrote: Oats got to say. You did everything right. If people complain about effort in future games I will post your performance. Solid through entire game and this town has no balls. Yesterday I was proud to be in this town. Today I am ashamed.
This is also TMI, like how can you be so sure DP is town? LOL
On March 09 2024 07:33 Koshi wrote: Worst math I have seen in a while. If they have a framer, the chance they picked Oats is the only thing you need to calculate. Add the chance of a miller in there and you know the odds.
The chance they picked Oats is high because our cop decided to bold his fucking name in his reads post after claiming cop.
Chance of Slam not being town and cop is low.
Our blues and DP are so fucking bad that mafia has 1 rb and 3 blues to pick from.
So I guess 2 die tonight. And no tears will be shred.
Then we have these weird sequence
On March 09 2024 07:59 Koshi wrote: Copcake mafia would explain the rayn kill I guess.
On March 07 2024 14:06 CopCake wrote: So in conclusion
oats is either mafia or miller. I would go mafia for Rayn’s death.
So
##vote: Oats
Hi cake, what is this?
Oh my bad, I forgot.
Why is rayns death important?
We also have Koshi calling me mafia many times
On March 09 2024 08:00 Koshi wrote: Also me being alive. If cc and Oats are mafia I am basically playing for the mafia team. Add in that I prevented a blue rayn from being Mayor.
Ohboi
Then
On March 10 2024 18:54 Koshi wrote: Lynching Copcake is a mistake. I would prefer ve or anything else that is consistent from marv and rayn filter.
He is also this dead person said this BUT these are also better lynches.
On March 11 2024 04:19 Koshi wrote: Sandroba spent a decent amount of posts calling me mafia, Oats town and copcake mafia.
If we disregard those, not that much is left except that list I quoted earlier.
On March 11 2024 04:02 Koshi wrote: Anyway. This is the weirdest way to look into this matter. Were there too many townies on VE and are you doing damage control for when VE flips?
I really don't understand what you're reading here or why you think this is weird? I think VE is going to flip scum and I'm providing some of my thoughts as to why I think he will. I've been calling him scum most of the game. You're one of the ones who led the charge to have him lynched instead of oats yesterday.
I dont understand why you are saying there is scum on VE wagon to save oats.
I think the difference between us right now is that I'm scumreading copcake and you are not. But you also are currently scumreading me so essentially you believe the same thing that I do, that there are scum on the VE wagon yesterday.
There's also one scum left who I haven't fully figured out meanwhile you have decided it's me, DMB, and VE. I think you're wrong about DMB as well so yes, I'm definitely look at other VE voters from yesterday. Could be you, iamp, or maybe even Palmar.
VE Rels MZ DMB
All other reads are silly. But if you really want to go there I guess Koshi JAT CC (only cuz sandroba) Palmar (only cuz rayn)
Idiotic reads would be: iamp Jacob DP
I forgot other people
Dude... Stop making DEAD PEOPLE THE REASON OF YOUR LYNCHES
On March 11 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote: marv would also always lynched VE over cc.
Here he says that Darth barely posts if I understood correctly but another posts he says that should be Policy that Darth shoul not post a lot?
On March 11 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote: Ohyeah. Vivax is 1000% town. (Because the rbs are missing) And then Jealous is pretty town as well. No reason to scumread him.
I think Darth is also pretty much clear, only way is if he was mafia vig that got roleblocked by vivax night one but considering he didnt move his vote from Oats and used the gunsmith a ability with TTS, that is clear town there.
Ohyeah. Him. Forgot he was in the game. He rarely posts.
Stop having dead people do your reads wtf, COME TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS
There’s too many blues for a traitor to be in this game.
Doesn‘t that balance it out ? Or your claim is fake.
I don‘t get your preference for Copcake over VE here.
Traitor is an anti mafia role.
Why do you think cake is town so strongly?
She‘s self voting over the obvious CW. But I have time for better posts after work.
Traitor is an additional member they can gain how is it anti-mafia ?
I don’t believe self voting this early points to town.
She was upset. It wasnt fake. She is town.
If you all get me of this lynch and I am correct that she is mafia I will blow my fucking top.
Only if VE isnt mafia.
Why go against rayn marv and sandroba to get this cc lynch?
I also noticed with his filter he called MZ several times scummy and suddenly trusts him so hard lol but I am too lazy to go back and quote everything.
He also spends a lot of Time calling Rels mafia and suddenly
On March 11 2024 19:24 Koshi wrote: Ok so Rels is town and played really good.
On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote: So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at. Going to hedge on sandro. VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples.
i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first.
rayn or marv. Let's go big.
Some fun fact by one of our scummy confirmed mafia:
I was the first vote of the voting thread and it was Oats, second was Oats voting Slam, lol. Looks like that guy knew were to put his fangs because he was also being very creepy with DMB.
-Jacob gives a gun to DP (Confirmed) That is understandable because Jacob loves DP and trusts him. -Slam checks Oats (Confirmed) -Rayn protected Slam according to Marv, and it fits. We know Marv was town so. -Vivax Jailed DP - Rayn died - Sandro died
Conclusion: In my opinion, a mafia vig went for Slam, and Rayn saved him. This is not confirmed, but it is the most likely scenario. I also think Vivax was blocked during this phase. It is not confirmed, but it is very probable.
-DP shoots TTS (Confirmed) - Vivax jails slam - Slam dies - Marv dies
Conclusion: In this case, it is very likely that Vivax got blocked (duh), and Slam died. This makes me very certain there is a roleblocker. Assuming there is a JK and a Confirmed JOAT, I think balance-wise, there should be a roleblocker, but that is my view of this world.
Following this idea (DP town) makes me believe that DP didn't get blocked because 1.- TTS was already getting grilled, and his inactivity would have made him go to the lynch pile instead of VE, perhaps. So, if he died, it was like, meh, besides, he was just "a goon."
2. The Mafia gambled and was very sure DP would shoot either a townie (DMB and I were the ones I remember he mentioned more, apparently I read somewhere he also mentioned VE?) because of how we had been acting the whole game—DP vs. Cake, Cake vs. DP.
Point 2 also makes me believe that a Mafia participated in the last game I played and saw the DP vs. Cake that happened there. They are pulling the strings to make us fight, and it doesn't help that my personality and DPs don't get along. It could be his paranoia or my stubbornness; who knows, but I think the Mafia is exploiting this in the worldview that DP is town.
This is a bit tricky because I will be assuming things according to what I have seen in the relationship between DP and Jacob so far in this game and the other. DP has shown a soft side for his Aussie boys, TTT and Jacob, who, regardless of whether Jacob is right on his reads according to DP or not in an opinion, DP would take a deep breath and try to think about Jacob's point of view.
In addition, Jacob's death does not add any new information to the thread except for confirming that he was the gunsmith and that the crazy theory that got planted of Jacob-DMB-DP does not exist. Most people were already assuming he was the gunsmith; tone-wise, Jacob sounded bubbly, adorable, free, and happy. His enthusiasm was pretty townie.
Nevertheless, why Jacob and not DP? DP has a more strong presence. This is from my POV, but it is because the mafia more likely wants DP vs Cake and that we fuck up.
Marv is an excellent player, and he was one of the people who said, "DP, Cake, please stop." Jacob also was, "Cake, DP is town," and yesterday he said, "I think Cake is town DP."
Killing a confirmed blue role is not surprising. If they had killed DP, Jacob would have been confirmed. Killing Jacob doesn't confirm DP; that is why DP is alive if he is in town.
If DP is town, the mafia wants the rest of the townies to have paranoia over DP. Let's say DP gets to lynch me; I flip town; who looks BAD?
I would assume DP would get all fuck this shit, fuck you, cake, you played so scummy, fuck I need to rearrange my ideas. If he is town, I would believe he would get extremely frustrated and probably a bit - sad?, maybe - because I think he is like a big bear that is super deadly but also has this - soft - side. I mean, he is friends with Jacob, so I guess he is between TTT (who is super serious) and a little less bubbly and shiny than Jacob.
In this scenario, DMB is cleared. I also noticed that people act like vultures around her to see if she does something scummy.
So that leaves us with these reads from the top of my head. I want to filter dive them with scrutinity but who am I kidding? I might not be able to do it because - irl -
Vivax: I think action activity from the night he is almost clear, Jealous: This one is clouded because he makes me go with two emotions simultaneously. Bothers me a lot; he is like CAKE, HAVE YOU READ DPS GAME, CAKE WHERE ARE THE SCREENSHOTS, like I wasn't lying the I am sad thing, etc. I don't want to post anymore. So I cant read a neutral read. I mean he called me out and make a joke of me and jat being stupid for saying vivax could be mafia and now he is trying to recreate the world in which vivax is mafia, say what? Meapak_Ziphh: I think he is town, this read is by tone and personality. Palmar: I have said enough. But after filtering Koshi with scrutinity I am like ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh justanothertownie: He... exists? Iamperfection: I think he is the most neutral one, trying to scum hunt, agressive in a nice way, there was this thing while reading Oats filter that he seemed also so obsessed with Iamperfection, idk if he was trying to pocket Iamp or what. Like the discussed, it wasnt all butterflies and agreements. Koshi: This one is weird too because I dont know how to take his actions from my close lynch and after that. I also feel like I am a doll here, like a "I told you so she was town you fucking idiots" when I flip town if DP gets me lynched. After that he would try to "drive" the town. Rels: The biggest problem I have with Rels is that he town reads me for the same reasons he scum reads me FROM THE SAME GAME; it should be one or the other. I also think, maybe? He tried to save me because my flip would give DP a new perspective of the game? Me being alive creates more chaos, I must admit.
So in conclusion:
Koshi/Rels/Someone
If DP is town, Koshi fits the "let us make DP and Cake fight" besides there are these posts
Koshi claims I am unreadable and then that he has read me once. If he cant read me how is he townreading me so hard atm?
On March 05 2024 05:24 Koshi wrote: I am on page 25 right now and I am not getting anything out of it anymore.
Oats posts too much to be lynched today. I don't enjoy reading his posts but that doesn't make him mafia. I think he deserves time to develop his play due to activity.
Copcake is unreadable. I don't feel like she is hiding though. I just don't get what she is thinking yet.
tfrel I will filter right now. He is also in my null pile with all these people but the most in hiding.
Slam is being slam. Not going to go further into that. He can stay alive, but if rayn kills him I won't be upset.
mebaby made bad posts and a couple sensible posts after that doesn't change that. She is in red territory but won't be lynched most likely because she is active enough. (shouldn't be lynched d1 in such a big game imo)
On March 05 2024 06:06 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2024 05:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 05 2024 05:57 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2024 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: sandroba what marv is telling you is true.
lol this is funny
On March 05 2024 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 05 2024 01:51 iamperfection wrote: I do find it odd marv isn't posting in the thread
I told a couple of hours ago to him that people are gonna scumread him for playing the game only in discord with 2 mason chats ^^
If mafia makes me mayor. I am willing to shoot marv. Just putting that out there.
0 fucks would be given.
Great way to not end up as mayor.
Koshi can I have a list post? Doesn’t need to be everyone just enough so that I can see where your head is at
page 36 and too angry to continue.
But
town: iamp cuz town best time was in the first pages and he was a driving factor. dp: I wrote 'good interpretation of DP vs Oats' but that seems incorrect. That being said. I don't dislike your copcake stuff but I haven't read it because it doesn't spark anything in me. I am pretty sure I read copcake really good of one of her first posts in a previous game because she backtracked on a story after being called out. So I am waiting on her to fuck up. She is just playing a different game as me here, but not in a bad way. Vivax I like him MZ Ugly posts, but I can see him being town and him finding his way
Null Oats
Mafia DMB because bad start TheNewGuy because I don't like that entrance Tfrel because reasoning given. Too safe. marv because he can die
Here he tells me DP mafia, later he says DP is town. Just remember this.
On March 07 2024 05:43 Koshi wrote:
On March 06 2024 14:05 CopCake wrote:
On March 06 2024 13:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Its completely unreasonable to think those people are mafia for lynching Trfel unless you think Palmar is 100% mafia.
My theory is that they wanted Tfrel out of the equation. I honestly do not know where to place Palmar there.
Ie. Koshi wanted to lynch Tfrel but he respected other people’s view on him he contained (even mine)
Here, we have vivax who called tfrel bad and mafia many times for not being active when I proved that Tfrel is not a spammer.
🤷🏽♀️
They only started the wagon because DP came in. DP knows about Tfrel good reads.
It also bugs me a lot that Tfrel HAVE talked about his mental health issues before and there are several active TL frequent posters who know that.
I have never also found Vivax to be pedantic? And in this game it feels so. He tends to fight the status quo but not here.
Vivax is never mafia. He is too active, too funny and he is making really good observations. The other 2 are fair game if you want to pursue them. I think DP could be mafia. We should limit his posts to 60 for D2. If he does more we policy lynch him. I think he very well could be mafia shitting up this thread.
Here I was considering why Mafia didnt kill Slam, but Koshi threw the shade of - Slam might be not blue and lied - to protect Oats?
On March 08 2024 02:28 Koshi wrote:
On March 08 2024 02:24 CopCake wrote:
On March 08 2024 02:23 Koshi wrote: If you want my opinion: rayn: because ve and or Palmar are mafia. I think mafia wouldn't kill rayn over marv if it wasnt the reads. Marv has way more pull in the thread. (Supertinfoil. Cuz marv is mafia and rayn claimed to him)
I forgot thz second kill lol. I am going insane.
You need to consider Mafia either didnt believe Slam´s claim or were more afraid of Rayn / Sandro
Yeah. Why not shoot slam. Would mafia have known rayn was blue? Because that would make it less likely slam also is blue?
But then marv is mafia.
Here he thinks DP is town (Remember when he told me DP could be mafia) and comments about me like yeah cake is townie but she can be traitor
On March 08 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote:
On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote: Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.
So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.
If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.
You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread.
CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1.
but at the same time, inmediatly considers Jacob not Gunsmith? If you read DP town, shouldnt Koshi consider Jacob lock town there? Here he also says OATS needs to die but later does everything to save him.
On March 08 2024 17:18 Koshi wrote:
On March 08 2024 17:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 08 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote:
On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote: Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.
So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.
If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.
You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread.
CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1.
Koshi talk to me, where are you at right now
You have to die because I am too time constrained to reread and get invested. I am quite clueless this game. Those names I posted earlier are my choices but I dont have good reasons. It's more PoE. MZ I think is mafia. Really think he is faking activity when he is here. And he has some towntells he didnt show. (Rage after lynch) Rels is playing a safe scumgame and will be very hard to lynch. Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc.
My townreads are pretty solid I think. (Yes I realise my only towncase this game was on a redcheck)
So VE, Dmb, Palmar left (cuz rayn)
And then TTS who could be anything.
He also uses a lot of emo posts to save OATS
On March 09 2024 03:46 Koshi wrote: Oats got to say. You did everything right. If people complain about effort in future games I will post your performance. Solid through entire game and this town has no balls. Yesterday I was proud to be in this town. Today I am ashamed.
This is also TMI, like how can you be so sure DP is town? LOL
On March 09 2024 07:33 Koshi wrote: Worst math I have seen in a while. If they have a framer, the chance they picked Oats is the only thing you need to calculate. Add the chance of a miller in there and you know the odds.
The chance they picked Oats is high because our cop decided to bold his fucking name in his reads post after claiming cop.
Chance of Slam not being town and cop is low.
Our blues and DP are so fucking bad that mafia has 1 rb and 3 blues to pick from.
So I guess 2 die tonight. And no tears will be shred.
Then we have these weird sequence
On March 09 2024 07:59 Koshi wrote: Copcake mafia would explain the rayn kill I guess.
But when I questioned Rayn´s death
On March 09 2024 02:19 Koshi wrote:
On March 09 2024 02:08 CopCake wrote:
On March 09 2024 02:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 07 2024 14:06 CopCake wrote: So in conclusion
oats is either mafia or miller. I would go mafia for Rayn’s death.
So
##vote: Oats
Hi cake, what is this?
Oh my bad, I forgot.
Why is rayns death important?
We also have Koshi calling me mafia many times
On March 09 2024 08:00 Koshi wrote: Also me being alive. If cc and Oats are mafia I am basically playing for the mafia team. Add in that I prevented a blue rayn from being Mayor.
Ohboi
Then
On March 10 2024 18:54 Koshi wrote: Lynching Copcake is a mistake. I would prefer ve or anything else that is consistent from marv and rayn filter.
He is also this dead person said this BUT these are also better lynches.
On March 11 2024 04:19 Koshi wrote: Sandroba spent a decent amount of posts calling me mafia, Oats town and copcake mafia.
If we disregard those, not that much is left except that list I quoted earlier.
So VE+Rels is mafia.
"Only because Sandroba"
On March 11 2024 04:26 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:15 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:02 Koshi wrote: Anyway. This is the weirdest way to look into this matter. Were there too many townies on VE and are you doing damage control for when VE flips?
I really don't understand what you're reading here or why you think this is weird? I think VE is going to flip scum and I'm providing some of my thoughts as to why I think he will. I've been calling him scum most of the game. You're one of the ones who led the charge to have him lynched instead of oats yesterday.
I dont understand why you are saying there is scum on VE wagon to save oats.
I think the difference between us right now is that I'm scumreading copcake and you are not. But you also are currently scumreading me so essentially you believe the same thing that I do, that there are scum on the VE wagon yesterday.
There's also one scum left who I haven't fully figured out meanwhile you have decided it's me, DMB, and VE. I think you're wrong about DMB as well so yes, I'm definitely look at other VE voters from yesterday. Could be you, iamp, or maybe even Palmar.
VE Rels MZ DMB
All other reads are silly. But if you really want to go there I guess Koshi JAT CC (only cuz sandroba) Palmar (only cuz rayn)
Idiotic reads would be: iamp Jacob DP
I forgot other people
Dude... Stop making DEAD PEOPLE THE REASON OF YOUR LYNCHES
On March 11 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote: marv would also always lynched VE over cc.
Here he says that Darth barely posts if I understood correctly but another posts he says that should be Policy that Darth shoul not post a lot?
On March 11 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:37 CopCake wrote:
On March 11 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote: Ohyeah. Vivax is 1000% town. (Because the rbs are missing) And then Jealous is pretty town as well. No reason to scumread him.
I think Darth is also pretty much clear, only way is if he was mafia vig that got roleblocked by vivax night one but considering he didnt move his vote from Oats and used the gunsmith a ability with TTS, that is clear town there.
Ohyeah. Him. Forgot he was in the game. He rarely posts.
Stop having dead people do your reads wtf, COME TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS
On March 11 2024 08:44 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:40 Koshi wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:39 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:37 Vivax wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:34 Vivax wrote:
On March 11 2024 08:31 DarthPunk wrote: [quote]
There’s too many blues for a traitor to be in this game.
Doesn‘t that balance it out ? Or your claim is fake.
I don‘t get your preference for Copcake over VE here.
Traitor is an anti mafia role.
Why do you think cake is town so strongly?
She‘s self voting over the obvious CW. But I have time for better posts after work.
Traitor is an additional member they can gain how is it anti-mafia ?
I don’t believe self voting this early points to town.
She was upset. It wasnt fake. She is town.
If you all get me of this lynch and I am correct that she is mafia I will blow my fucking top.
Only if VE isnt mafia.
Why go against rayn marv and sandroba to get this cc lynch?
I also noticed with his filter he called MZ several times scummy and suddenly trusts him so hard lol but I am too lazy to go back and quote everything.
He also spends a lot of Time calling Rels mafia and suddenly
On March 11 2024 19:24 Koshi wrote: Ok so Rels is town and played really good.
He also has stuff like this:
On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote: So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at. Going to hedge on sandro. VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples.
i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first.
rayn or marv. Let's go big.
Some fun fact by one of our scummy confirmed mafia:
I was the first vote of the voting thread and it was Oats, second was Oats voting Slam, lol. Looks like that guy knew were to put his fangs because he was also being very creepy with DMB.
Oats wanted to mayor Koshi
Oats praised Koshi
Ok I am tired so ##Vote: Koshi
So why not.palmar in your world?
Would be stupid of mafia koshi to push mafia palmar.
On March 14 2024 05:10 iamperfection wrote: What are your reasons for clearing dmb I don't understand.
I think I have said it before, the way Oats weird votes on her, the way she is trying and questioning everything, the less drama “Plssssssss lynchhhh meeeee and not HolyFlare” to win towncred, the fact she was one of the people DP wanted to kill.
-DP shoots TTS (Confirmed) - Vivax jails slam - Slam dies - Marv dies
Conclusion: In this case, it is very likely that Vivax got blocked (duh), and Slam died. This makes me very certain there is a roleblocker. Assuming there is a JK and a Confirmed JOAT, I think balance-wise, there should be a roleblocker, but that is my view of this world.
Following this idea (DP town) makes me believe that DP didn't get blocked because 1.- TTS was already getting grilled, and his inactivity would have made him go to the lynch pile instead of VE, perhaps. So, if he died, it was like, meh, besides, he was just "a goon."
2. The Mafia gambled and was very sure DP would shoot either a townie (DMB and I were the ones I remember he mentioned more, apparently I read somewhere he also mentioned VE?) because of how we had been acting the whole game—DP vs. Cake, Cake vs. DP.
Point 2 also makes me believe that a Mafia participated in the last game I played and saw the DP vs. Cake that happened there. They are pulling the strings to make us fight, and it doesn't help that my personality and DPs don't get along. It could be his paranoia or my stubbornness; who knows, but I think the Mafia is exploiting this in the worldview that DP is town.
In this scenario, DMB is cleared. I also noticed that people act like vultures around her to see if she does something scummy.
I feel at this point this logic has been debunked several times. Mafia literally could not risk roleblocking dp no matter who he was going to shoot since otherwise they could not kill slam (or even worse get a shot blocked directly at the source). They obviously decided to take the risk since TTS was the most obvious target next to you maybe. This does not clear anybody. Especially if you are town. If you have other reasons for townreading dmb feel free to share though. I take it you are in a mason chat.
How much experience do you have playing with Koshi?
I answered above and last two games I remember I have played with him I have killed him.
On March 14 2024 05:36 iamperfection wrote: And I feel like you just went through koshis filter trying to find any inconsistency possible. Also not explaining why said inconsistency makes koshi mafia
- Koshi says I am unreadable and then says he can read me, then even dares to say he tone reads me. - Koshi is like Oats I need to kill you and then says “yes, I was wrong about Oats” Oats also wanted to mayor Koshi. - He hardcore townreads DP but suspects Jacob??? Even when he claimed gunsmith? He even says “Is jacob even the gunsmith?”
Post #4745 so you can see his reads before
Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc
Like I said, if he hardcore reads DP as town, why is he questioning jacob? Like if he thinks DP is town, shouldnt he believe Jacob’s claim?
- Many of his decisions are based on dead players: Marv would have liked, Sandro this, Rayn that.
I didnt went with the eyes of: I must find scum in Koshi. I didnt like how he reacted to me being lynched then no then yes. Felt like he was trying to prepare the scenario of “I told you so”, which I know, it will happen because I am VT.
There are more things quoted, and I am phoneposting atm. I dont think I am going to get on the computer because I am tired and almost midnight.
If you think is worth to talk to me please do so. If you think my case is trash ignore me.
On March 14 2024 05:36 iamperfection wrote: And I feel like you just went through koshis filter trying to find any inconsistency possible. Also not explaining why said inconsistency makes koshi mafia
- Koshi says I am unreadable and then says he can read me, then even dares to say he tone reads me. - Koshi is like Oats I need to kill you and then says “yes, I was wrong about Oats” Oats also wanted to mayor Koshi. - He hardcore townreads DP but suspects Jacob??? Even when he claimed gunsmith? He even says “Is jacob even the gunsmith?”
Post #4745 so you can see his reads before
Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc
Like I said, if he hardcore reads DP as town, why is he questioning jacob? Like if he thinks DP is town, shouldnt he believe Jacob’s claim?
- Many of his decisions are based on dead players: Marv would have liked, Sandro this, Rayn that.
I didnt went with the eyes of: I must find scum in Koshi. I didnt like how he reacted to me being lynched then no then yes. Felt like he was trying to prepare the scenario of “I told you so”, which I know, it will happen because I am VT.
There are more things quoted, and I am phoneposting atm. I dont think I am going to get on the computer because I am tired and almost midnight.
If you think is worth to talk to me please do so. If you think my case is trash ignore me.
Your case isn't thrash. For someone else it might even be good. In Koshis case however it just does not really work. You will always find loads of inconsistency and illogical borderline idiotic behavior in his town play. It is also perfectly in line that he sheeps the reads of dead players. Unfortunately, only very selectively and usually the wrong ones. He should be all for what I am doing in respecting marvs read but he isn't. Which is irrational but totally expectable.
But how do you explain the
Heeyy cake is town, maybe not, maybe yes, if ve is town, if ve is mafia, yes, no.
On March 07 2024 11:23 Rels wrote: Cake having and pushing her theory that the whole scum team conspired D1 to kill Trfel because they were scared of him is really townie
@Rels: I will finish with this quote. Come back to the light. If it is difficult read your d1 filter.
Yeah ... maybe ... why did she treat VE as confirmed town though ... it doesn't make sense
I didn´t want to vote Ve, because of other reasons. I want that he enjoys playing here. You were in the last obs from the game or? You should know what I am talking about. He is always a early lynch and he is tired of that.
- Where else has VE been early lynch? Nowdays is hard to get him to play - I met VE a long time ago with rayn, he even posted in some sign ups - Fuck I believed cake was playing that is why I joined- - My read on VE was based on tone and the fact he made READS, I believed his frustration. The game you are refering to if I dont missremember he didnt do that. Besides, he was like - fuck I was trying to console you - Mafia VE doesnt have the need to say that, he would be full fuck fuck fuck you i am tired. - Why did you mason -me-? If you have paranoia of me? i think I can easily twist your words. - I said in my long post *koshi/rels* are mafia here before I peacef out and you arrive here and say *koshi/rels* are mafia and then you do not know my aligment when we have The SAME reads?
On March 13 2024 00:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: [quote] If you're town and you get whispered there's absolutely zero reason not to share with the town what happens in it. More information is always helpful. If you're a townie and you are the whisperer you should also share who you whispered and also why you did it. I whispered Palmar to try and solidify my reads of him. That didn't work out as planned but I still tried to share whatever info I got with the town.
There is no reason not to share with the town and hiding information only serves to make both people look bad.
yeah i think it could also be the opposite from helpful. I never got the mason chat (and I am happy about that either aligment)
As an example: DMB Town and DP Mafia getting the mason I already said in this game he could be scum (before he shot) and the discussion didn't go so well for me. I got more scumreads from Town than I had before. DP is strong player and can easy manipulate the people. We can not see the chat until the game is over. So nobody knows what there really was. Dp could easy lie that I scum slipped in the mason chat with him and make Town lynch me, because I can not prove that he lies and he has more controll of the thread as I do. I get lynched. I flip Town. DP finds still a reason to tell that I wrote so scummy that there was no other option as a lynch.... 1 Win for mafia
This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid and I don´t think Dp is scum (would be to insane)
This posts strikes me as really townie.
Just the natural paranoia and thought that went into it that only really works from a town perspective.
How does that fit with this at deadline:
On March 13 2024 12:05 die_meatbaby wrote: Who will make an erotic summary of the last day? That was the reason why I opened Tl in the morning, full of anticipation!
Btw i am in a mason chat
I don't really see what you are getting at here.
"This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid" (12 hours later) "I'm mason"
Yeah, do you think that is alignment indicative in some way?
I instinctively hate it but I recognize that it might be not be AI
Can you post a list post? palmar asked both of us to do it.
Still catching up. And I feel way less sure about CopCake than I was yesterday. Her STILL not considering you confirmed town doesn't make any kind of sense as scum After I'm done I'll rehash CopCake and see if I think she's town or not. It feels like the turning point of the game, with the rest flowing from it
Dude I literally used - Grammarly - to make a huge post about DP town scenario and you say what
On March 13 2024 01:00 die_meatbaby wrote: [quote]
yeah i think it could also be the opposite from helpful. I never got the mason chat (and I am happy about that either aligment)
As an example: DMB Town and DP Mafia getting the mason I already said in this game he could be scum (before he shot) and the discussion didn't go so well for me. I got more scumreads from Town than I had before. DP is strong player and can easy manipulate the people. We can not see the chat until the game is over. So nobody knows what there really was. Dp could easy lie that I scum slipped in the mason chat with him and make Town lynch me, because I can not prove that he lies and he has more controll of the thread as I do. I get lynched. I flip Town. DP finds still a reason to tell that I wrote so scummy that there was no other option as a lynch.... 1 Win for mafia
This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid and I don´t think Dp is scum (would be to insane)
This posts strikes me as really townie.
Just the natural paranoia and thought that went into it that only really works from a town perspective.
How does that fit with this at deadline:
On March 13 2024 12:05 die_meatbaby wrote: Who will make an erotic summary of the last day? That was the reason why I opened Tl in the morning, full of anticipation!
Btw i am in a mason chat
I don't really see what you are getting at here.
"This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid" (12 hours later) "I'm mason"
Yeah, do you think that is alignment indicative in some way?
I instinctively hate it but I recognize that it might be not be AI
Can you post a list post? palmar asked both of us to do it.
Still catching up. And I feel way less sure about CopCake than I was yesterday. Her STILL not considering you confirmed town doesn't make any kind of sense as scum After I'm done I'll rehash CopCake and see if I think she's town or not. It feels like the turning point of the game, with the rest flowing from it
Agree with all of this pretty much. If you are looking at cake, I would appreciate your take on the Cake/oats interactions.
On March 14 2024 11:38 iamperfection wrote: A lot of things have bothered me today. Copcake makes a case on Koshi and then just almost instantly drops it just because Jat says thats how koshi plays and then votes palmar. Why does cop just accept as true it confuses me. Meapak_Ziphh comes back after 19 hours says hes too tired to be bothered to do anything but he has found scum? and is somehow not voting????
I keep hearing this idiotic comment that marv said palmar is 90% likely to be town. I get it you guys all worship marv but his word isnt gospel and he very well would probably be saying different things if he was still alive its day 4 now marv died in night 2.
Palmar really bothers me. He calls me scum because i have just been around not doing anything?? Like i said earlier you can say a lot of things about me but not engaged and not in the thick of things is certainly not one of them. I exposed the mason circle and tried to get reads from it. I correctly deduced that Rayn had to be town from the way he used it and almost immediately tried to make him mayor for it. Right or wrong i was screaming at the top of my longs to lynch tryfel it was wrong but so what. I have constantly been directing and calling out actions. I literally hammered VE in a quest for personal glory it backfired so what. To say i have been just around is objectively wrong.
Now palmar says he dosnt really read the thread that he just shows hes around interacts and develops reads. I dont really feel like has done that all in this game. I think if anyone with a quarter of a brain which ill grant palmar he has a quarter of a brain could easily use meta to see i am town. This would be by FAR the largest filter i have ever had as mafia. I would also say i am much less emotional as mafia and much more reserved. My style as town requires me to post a ton and usually in quick succession. Thats why i will have mind melds which happened earlier with marv where we said the same thing. As mafia that is extremely hard for me to replicate. At least for a long period. Also as mafia its very hard for me to long posts like this were i have to fake my thoughts i just have hard time to do it. So those long list posts and posts were i collect my thoughts like i had earlier and this one quite frankly are hard for me to do. I dont think palmar is trying figure out my alignment because he is being bad or more likely just mafia.
Now do i think JAT could possibly be mafia. Yes its possible he had a post earlier where he almost knew that koshi was mafia. {but iamperfection you said earlier that koshi is likely town) well first of all stfu second there is a diffrence between knowing and thinking.
On March 12 2024 12:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Man what the fuck.
This game is going to be extremely hard if townies are gonna self-vote, I feel like that's playing against your wincon. I absolutely hate martyring so pointlessly. I think that was still 100% the right lynch.
And now we're gonna have to solve the copcake problem since she did exactly the same thing. She voted herself and peaced out when the vote was 7-4 with VE in the lead. Her vote made it 6-5, still with VE in the lead. She showed no problems with leaving her vote on randos the previous two days, and if she was scum, she had a safe place to park her vote on VE or a rando as nobody would have scumread her any harder than they already were for voting to save herself. Now granted, she didn't hammer herself, the closest she ever got was 7-6 against her 2 hours later. So, did town!cake just rage quit in the exact same manner that VE did? Or did scum!cake take a gamble, not realizing how close it was going to get? If it's the second option, Rel's desperation to save her pretty much guarantees him as scum in my eyes, but I still don't know if I can wrap my head around scum!cake doing that because the vote is so close I'd argue that's pretty close to intentionally throwing. Or maybe it's all #bigplays that I'm too stupid to understand.
I have a decent amount of thread to fully catch up on after just skimming to get through it, I focused more on the voting thread to try and figure out wtf both VE and cake were doing. I'm not surprised to see there were more shenanigans by certain people. I will also have a go at reading VE's filter although idk if there's much of a point.
What a town hero does. Analyse.
I kind of disagree. Feel like he just summed up what happened and listed every scenario. I don't think it's super town post.
You won't convince him. At this point Koshi is not reading MZs posts critically anymore.
not the biggest thing but the post bothers me. He also seems a bit apathetic to what is going on.
So yes i think its possible.
MZ's comeback post also bothers me and the fact that he isnt voting despite finding scum
On March 14 2024 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm home, had a shit day so I really don't have the energy to jump into filters right now, especially since I've already found 1 scum at minimum this cycle. I'll hang around the thread and play some league if people want my opinions on anything just ask.
However in my eyes palmar is the most likely mafia.
The me dropping the Koshi case is because no one said “good catch!” Except jelaous so I believed I was wrong
On March 07 2024 11:23 Rels wrote: Cake having and pushing her theory that the whole scum team conspired D1 to kill Trfel because they were scared of him is really townie
@Rels: I will finish with this quote. Come back to the light. If it is difficult read your d1 filter.
Yeah ... maybe ... why did she treat VE as confirmed town though ... it doesn't make sense
I didn´t want to vote Ve, because of other reasons. I want that he enjoys playing here. You were in the last obs from the game or? You should know what I am talking about. He is always a early lynch and he is tired of that.
- Where else has VE been early lynch? Nowdays is hard to get him to play - I met VE a long time ago with rayn, he even posted in some sign ups - Fuck I believed cake was playing that is why I joined- - My read on VE was based on tone and the fact he made READS, I believed his frustration. The game you are refering to if I dont missremember he didnt do that. Besides, he was like - fuck I was trying to console you - Mafia VE doesnt have the need to say that, he would be full fuck fuck fuck you i am tired. - Why did you mason -me-? If you have paranoia of me? i think I can easily twist your words. - I said in my long post *koshi/rels* are mafia here before I peacef out and you arrive here and say *koshi/rels* are mafia and then you do not know my aligment when we have The SAME reads?
- Jelaous thinks I dont help town - iamp is like sarcastic - vivax post weird shit - DP is locked I am mafia - Palmar doesnt understand me
I think my death will help town, it will bring a new perspective and will FORCE people to look somewhere else.
I think me being alive is only to make others look better. The people I tend to work perfectly fine in the game is either death or are not on the player list.
On March 14 2024 14:25 iamperfection wrote: cake its right in the intro Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions yes he probably shouldn't say confirmed even if he means 99.9% but its whatever. Can you provide that summary like i asked for how much has been posted in there?
There is nothing much, I have said before.
She asked for reads, I told her I just posted a big post (the one you asked) I also told her she considered her and MZ town
She posted reasons why koshi is mafia, mostly koshi is lazy. He only started to scumhunt because she called him mafia, koshi doesnt have reads etc.
Finally asked me if I think DP is town
But after I read she doesnt trust me even tho we have the same mafia reads at the moment (Rels/Koshi), something seemed off.
Rayn also mentioned it
Cake and DMB are calling DP mafia but they do not clear each other.
In before - I twist - words, so yeah. If that happens please just lynch me.
I still love you DMB, you are a fucking awesome and interesting.
But long story short, she said she masoned me because she wanted to figure me out but she hasnt come to a conclusion? Not even a tiny bit? When she got asked that.
To me is weird because I had koshi as mafia and rels and she said “me too” Koshi for this and this and this reason (shared before)
On March 13 2024 00:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I have to fly tonight, I apologize for my activity but flying takes huge chunks out of my schedule. I will try and be around on my phone this morning and get started on a reread of Palmar. Anything is on the table rn with the VE flip and my current lack of conviction on cake.
The suspicion on Palmar also reminds me, we never heard from a Mason the whole of D3 so I'm guessing scum got it and just didn't want to talk?
How would knowing who had the mason chat helping us do find scum? It is random could be T chat with M or T with T or M with M...
If you're town and you get whispered there's absolutely zero reason not to share with the town what happens in it. More information is always helpful. If you're a townie and you are the whisperer you should also share who you whispered and also why you did it. I whispered Palmar to try and solidify my reads of him. That didn't work out as planned but I still tried to share whatever info I got with the town.
There is no reason not to share with the town and hiding information only serves to make both people look bad.
yeah i think it could also be the opposite from helpful. I never got the mason chat (and I am happy about that either aligment)
As an example: DMB Town and DP Mafia getting the mason I already said in this game he could be scum (before he shot) and the discussion didn't go so well for me. I got more scumreads from Town than I had before. DP is strong player and can easy manipulate the people. We can not see the chat until the game is over. So nobody knows what there really was. Dp could easy lie that I scum slipped in the mason chat with him and make Town lynch me, because I can not prove that he lies and he has more controll of the thread as I do. I get lynched. I flip Town. DP finds still a reason to tell that I wrote so scummy that there was no other option as a lynch.... 1 Win for mafia
This is just an example why I think mason claiming in the thread is stupid and I don´t think Dp is scum (would be to insane)
This posts strikes me as really townie.
Just the natural paranoia and thought that went into it that only really works from a town perspective.
How does that fit with this at deadline:
On March 13 2024 12:05 die_meatbaby wrote: Who will make an erotic summary of the last day? That was the reason why I opened Tl in the morning, full of anticipation!
Btw i am in a mason chat
yeah i complaind about the mason stuff and of course I get it on the next day
Why did you claim it?
why not? they told me actually a good reason about mason. As Town you don´t have do hide, so why should I?
I masoned CC for a good reason. Maybe to have a privat Teaparty with her makes it easier for me to understand what she is. I just got kinda paranoia about the mason if somebody would mason me and turn the truth around, because nobody can see the actuall mason chat until the game is over.
Yeah I am paranoid too now.
And nevermind, Rayn is gonna drive me to work. Too much rain.
On March 14 2024 11:38 iamperfection wrote: A lot of things have bothered me today. Copcake makes a case on Koshi and then just almost instantly drops it just because Jat says thats how koshi plays and then votes palmar. Why does cop just accept as true it confuses me. Meapak_Ziphh comes back after 19 hours says hes too tired to be bothered to do anything but he has found scum? and is somehow not voting????
I keep hearing this idiotic comment that marv said palmar is 90% likely to be town. I get it you guys all worship marv but his word isnt gospel and he very well would probably be saying different things if he was still alive its day 4 now marv died in night 2.
Palmar really bothers me. He calls me scum because i have just been around not doing anything?? Like i said earlier you can say a lot of things about me but not engaged and not in the thick of things is certainly not one of them. I exposed the mason circle and tried to get reads from it. I correctly deduced that Rayn had to be town from the way he used it and almost immediately tried to make him mayor for it. Right or wrong i was screaming at the top of my longs to lynch tryfel it was wrong but so what. I have constantly been directing and calling out actions. I literally hammered VE in a quest for personal glory it backfired so what. To say i have been just around is objectively wrong.
Now palmar says he dosnt really read the thread that he just shows hes around interacts and develops reads. I dont really feel like has done that all in this game. I think if anyone with a quarter of a brain which ill grant palmar he has a quarter of a brain could easily use meta to see i am town. This would be by FAR the largest filter i have ever had as mafia. I would also say i am much less emotional as mafia and much more reserved. My style as town requires me to post a ton and usually in quick succession. Thats why i will have mind melds which happened earlier with marv where we said the same thing. As mafia that is extremely hard for me to replicate. At least for a long period. Also as mafia its very hard for me to long posts like this were i have to fake my thoughts i just have hard time to do it. So those long list posts and posts were i collect my thoughts like i had earlier and this one quite frankly are hard for me to do. I dont think palmar is trying figure out my alignment because he is being bad or more likely just mafia.
Now do i think JAT could possibly be mafia. Yes its possible he had a post earlier where he almost knew that koshi was mafia. {but iamperfection you said earlier that koshi is likely town) well first of all stfu second there is a diffrence between knowing and thinking.
On March 14 2024 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 14 2024 04:30 iamperfection wrote:
On March 14 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:
On March 12 2024 12:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Man what the fuck.
This game is going to be extremely hard if townies are gonna self-vote, I feel like that's playing against your wincon. I absolutely hate martyring so pointlessly. I think that was still 100% the right lynch.
And now we're gonna have to solve the copcake problem since she did exactly the same thing. She voted herself and peaced out when the vote was 7-4 with VE in the lead. Her vote made it 6-5, still with VE in the lead. She showed no problems with leaving her vote on randos the previous two days, and if she was scum, she had a safe place to park her vote on VE or a rando as nobody would have scumread her any harder than they already were for voting to save herself. Now granted, she didn't hammer herself, the closest she ever got was 7-6 against her 2 hours later. So, did town!cake just rage quit in the exact same manner that VE did? Or did scum!cake take a gamble, not realizing how close it was going to get? If it's the second option, Rel's desperation to save her pretty much guarantees him as scum in my eyes, but I still don't know if I can wrap my head around scum!cake doing that because the vote is so close I'd argue that's pretty close to intentionally throwing. Or maybe it's all #bigplays that I'm too stupid to understand.
I have a decent amount of thread to fully catch up on after just skimming to get through it, I focused more on the voting thread to try and figure out wtf both VE and cake were doing. I'm not surprised to see there were more shenanigans by certain people. I will also have a go at reading VE's filter although idk if there's much of a point.
What a town hero does. Analyse.
I kind of disagree. Feel like he just summed up what happened and listed every scenario. I don't think it's super town post.
You won't convince him. At this point Koshi is not reading MZs posts critically anymore.
not the biggest thing but the post bothers me. He also seems a bit apathetic to what is going on.
So yes i think its possible.
MZ's comeback post also bothers me and the fact that he isnt voting despite finding scum
On March 14 2024 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm home, had a shit day so I really don't have the energy to jump into filters right now, especially since I've already found 1 scum at minimum this cycle. I'll hang around the thread and play some league if people want my opinions on anything just ask.
However in my eyes palmar is the most likely mafia.
The me dropping the Koshi case is because no one said “good catch!” Except jelaous so I believed I was wrong
Lmao the shade TT__TT
Btw it wasnt shade
JAT told me I was wrong and that Koshi tends to do stuff like that Iamp said that “Koshi was joking there” and #7698 “And I feel like you just went through koshis filter trying to find any inconsistency possible. Also not explaining why said inconsistency makes koshi mafia” Then Vivax - if I understood correctly - pointed that my case was bad. - You said it was good -
So if three persons tell me I am wrong and Iamp doesnt even said “Hey JAT you are wrong”, DP doesnt comment on it, Koshi got depressed - I assume - I am wrong.
What do you make of this? Do you Really think my process was correct or just trash?
If you live in the world I am town, dumb annoying town BUT town, who do you think is the mafia?
On March 14 2024 14:20 CopCake wrote: Can I get lynched?
It is not going against my win condition
- Jelaous thinks I dont help town - iamp is like sarcastic - vivax post weird shit - DP is locked I am mafia - Palmar doesnt understand me
I think my death will help town, it will bring a new perspective and will FORCE people to look somewhere else.
I think me being alive is only to make others look better. The people I tend to work perfectly fine in the game is either death or are not on the player list.
The game will also be less chaotic
-
DP also said getting my affilition would solve the game. 😌
I hate to be here, Idk why iamp saved me if she is going to say stuff like this:
On March 14 2024 12:27 DarthPunk wrote: Perfection do you think cake and palmar can be partnered?
I dont think its impossible.
Cop is more just confounding. I dont understand the way they think at all. I think cop is more likely to be town the palmar though.
Then I have DP and Koshi saying if Palmar is town then Cake is mafia.
It feels like a set up.
Yes, yes, I know you are scumming reading Palmar but why said “it is not impossible”
I would rather get lynched, because tomorrow is going to be “cake vs someone else, maybe Jat”
Idk, I dont want to be the mafia tool of misslynches.
Like c’mon it is like
“Cake is super mafia lets lynch her” VE flips town
And next day
“Lets lynch Palmar” but if he flips town then is cake
You have been convinced I am mafia, why do I get saved? Why do I got saved by iamp?
At least with my flip, THE TOWN will consider the WORLDS i have proposed. They will see I was right on Tfrel, on VE, and that my actions are not for TMI.
@Palmar
Yesterday Iamp amp asked me to think in a world DP is town so I elaborated and found out that Koshi is scummy. Iamp and JAT said that I was wrong so I decided to sheep now. I mean, I am not the best player, right?
You are calling me insane, so please, lynch me to save yourself.
This sounds very like “playing against your win condition” but once again, my flip will give… light? Many have mentioned it.
Idk why I got saved, I think people would enjoy VE to be here than me.
I am not gonna get sad or anything, just thankfull for that.
If I an correct, town can have this misslynch, you have insane out and game goes easy for town.
On March 13 2024 18:43 Koshi wrote: ##vote Palmar It's JAT and Palmar. I truly hope I get lynched before you jubjubs lynch either cc or MZ. Because maybe that might stop you from throwing this game.
DP, you are legit too stubborn to play this game succesfully. Probably I am too flimsy and together we might get somewhere.
But it is not going to happen.
I am sheeping this
And VE
And jacob
I mean I am so bad at playing I should follow my superiors
On March 13 2024 18:43 Koshi wrote: ##vote Palmar It's JAT and Palmar. I truly hope I get lynched before you jubjubs lynch either cc or MZ. Because maybe that might stop you from throwing this game.
DP, you are legit too stubborn to play this game succesfully. Probably I am too flimsy and together we might get somewhere.
But it is not going to happen.
I am sheeping this
And VE
And jacob
I mean I am so bad at playing I should follow my superiors
Yeah but now Koshi is voting something else. Stop with the self-pitying, it's a tired act.
Do you have any opinions on what has been developing over the last few pages? What do you think of jat? What do you think of my point about Rels? Do you have any updates on your read on me now that I've been pretty active in the thread for a while?
On March 07 2024 12:40 iamperfection wrote: Oats your mission should you choose to accept it is to spew as much towness as possible this cycle. Then we can lynch VE if not i salute you my friend.
In this thread inferior player iamp tries to use the last of his activity clout to get superior scum hunter VE lynched or of spite. Sad.
@JSL like this post sounds like resigned scum who doesn't have much to talk about and is watching one of their team members go down to a red check.
On March 05 2024 09:51 Palmar wrote: Cba arguing with marv now but did make a mental note of him posting about vivax probably being town but not wanting to mayor him. Weird take because voting town mayor is always best. Can just bully them into lynching theme way we want.
But ironically I’m not sure marv would call me mafia as scum because he has no idea if I’m gonna put in work tomorrow or be lazy. But it’s all very weak and I’m not day 1 lynching players who can be relied on to actually try later on in the game.
On March 05 2024 09:54 Palmar wrote: Oats scummy read is for announcing he wants to be mayor but then I skimmed a few more points and he didn’t really push the idea he should be.
- Calls VE town
- Hasnt read vivax filter, hasnt read where he claimed but he wants to mayor him or kill him for claiming. Yet to Marv he told him that it is always a good idea to mayor town vivax, would that be TMI? (Those interactions are on Palmar filter page1)
On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote: So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about.
Oatsmaster
Both initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this:
On March 04 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote: I’m running for mayor
Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing.
On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote: Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town.
Hi again, not a big fan of you not pushing to be mayor, what gives?
I don't think pushing for it actually does anything.
You don’t seem to even want to be mayor
There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor".
It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything.
VisceraEyes
Part of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read.
But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him.
Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good.
On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote: People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game.
I have zero interest in lynching VE today.
DMB
So I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point.
On March 05 2024 06:10 Palmar wrote: Good morning, I see we're up to a casual 60+ pages.
Where did you wake up from???
It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about?
Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM
She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game.
She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though.
But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed.
On March 05 2024 22:14 Palmar wrote: 16/97 pages is just DP, jesus christ
Yeah. Tempted to townread him just for that tbh. Even though I really don't like the way he went about the mayor stuff and the cake push was also meh.
DP is a null, but I've only read his posts in the context of reading other players.
I did like him calling out iamperfection for being wrong about how to deal with Vivax (I'm reading Vivax right now). But some of his other stuff that I've seen has been decidedly meh.
Problem is, he has posted so goddamn much I don't even know what I should read of his postings. I guess I'll go find a list post or something.
But he should maybe just be off the table today just because he has a long filter.
On March 05 2024 22:40 Palmar wrote: I just filtered JSL, there's actually a bunch of stuff in his posts I kinda like. Some of it is just me agreeing with how he thinks about the game (don't kill players who you know will be active), and some of it is just tonal stuff (I'm arrogant cause I don't get lynched as town). Some of it is weirdness... the guy made a case on himself.
On March 05 2024 22:31 Palmar wrote: So thoughts on Vivax
1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia. 2) He did claim so we work with what we got 3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill" 4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax
In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor.
There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, [/]and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point.
That solves that problem for me.
I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though.
I think, I said, he can do this as mafia.
Oh he can, what Vivax lacks in brains he has in balls.
I just don't think anyone is trying to argue that he is. Like make a case on him if you think this is wrong.
That's a false dichotomy. You don't have to think he is mafia in order to prefer someone else as mayor.
You don't have to, I'm not your mom. But it's still stupid.
Like it or not, by claiming Vivax made the game about himself.
The objectively correct play as town here is to lynch him. That is literally the best play. But we've decided not to do that and I kinda think that's the right call. Essentially we assume Vivax is bad town and not mafia. If that's the case he has a very, very strong power role and we think he's town, so we just make him mayor.
I really can't think of why we would not do one or the other if we're playing logically.
We can always force him to kill whoever we want dead, he's not without responsibility as mayor.
- TTS could be a policy lynch but hasnt done much
On March 05 2024 23:05 Palmar wrote: Dumbest scumread ever is that TTS just casually assumed he'd be alive by day 4 or something.
Also even talking about a random voting stage like we're some plebeian third world mafia site is pretty scummy.
But he's done nothing so there's no read. Good policy lynch though.
On March 06 2024 06:47 Palmar wrote: Btw the wagon on me is so bad.
marv is probably just mafia jat has literally no reason to think I am, and is probably mafia anyway. Trfel has literally no reason to think I am Slam is slam Koshi has thought I am mafia every game for 10+ years. I think he just enjoys murdering me.
On March 06 2024 06:54 Palmar wrote: As for other people.
I stand by the sandroba townread, koshi is probably town too. I like Oats a lot more now for actually making sense. I also like JSL and Vivax.
I'd need VE to actually step up some again, same with Trfel. I had some reads on both but they're weak. DMB is also a weak maybe townread.
iamperfection is making sense, but the guy is smart enough to make sense when there is no pressure on him as either alignment.
DP is a little more wildcardy to me this game, I haven't always agreed with his takes.
TTS, JEalous, Hapa just need to be policied out.
I've not read or even noticed Rels at all which is a bad omen.
rayn is weird to me. I'm again getting the feeling that he's just posting a lot and saying very little, also I really, really don't like that he's not pressuring marv at all in the mason QT it seems.
Idk about CopCake, nothjin one way or the other.
MZ looks kinda bad, but it's very weak as I haven't really read him.
On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote: I'm finalizing here.
I like a bunch of mafia in:
rayn jat rels mz tts
then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy
vivax trfel hapa
then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve
iamp marv jealous copcake slam ve
and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town
sandro oats dp dmb jls koshi
None of the lists are in any particular order
I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever.
- wants to lynch oats because of red check
- Makes a case on rayn when he is already dead, but knows oats is red checked. ????????
- Needs to read cop/JSL/dmb etc but wasnt jacob like super town? + Show Spoiler +
On March 09 2024 07:11 Palmar wrote: Essentially it comes down to:
I really need to filter dive CopCake, DMB, MZ, Rels and JSL because there's like 3 mafia in there.
One is probably either Oats or Slam, unless we're just the unluckiest town in the world.
Also if Slam and Vivax are genuinely town and both claimed on day 1, we deserve to lose.
There's gonna be a hidden mafia there somewhere.
- Temped to lynch slam
- temped to lynch VE because he is inactive
[b]As much as I actually can't explain VE's lack of enthusiasm with anything other than him being mafia, I think we NEED to resolve this situation at some point between the red check and slam, and better now than in lylo.
Problems with Palmar
Tone reads VE, changes later because inactivity? Scum reads Oats, but never pushes him Says a lot about other players but when he gets questioned about them he says he hasnt filter them. JAT is mafia because ??????? Rayn called JAT mafia yet he scumread rayn when he started to question him? Temped to lynch THE COP over the red check.
I dont know Palmar that much, I remember he once made a joke about Koshi that made me laugh in a game I was in obvs, if he has a mafia read does he push HARD or not?
On March 15 2024 01:38 Vivax wrote: Copcake is probs just mafia traitor turned double agent. Jealous waltzed in with his night vision goggles and saw easy prey to keep the heat at bay.
It’s like that final scene from silence of the lambs
On March 15 2024 02:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Koshi I'm curious what you've thought about DMB this cycle.
Still waiting to hear from iamp and his thoughts on Rels.
I feel like we're getting pretty close right now.
I just dont think i was being tricked by scum with regards to the ve hammer. Maybe thats just me not wanting to entertain that possibility but thats why i said what i said before the flip.
I did not think it was a mafia rels coming into the thread. Looking at his filter there are some posts and word choices that bug me but thats probably true for everyone. That interaction we had just makes me think town.
Why couldnt it be just "Bad town" and followed him to save me?
I mean, you consider me scum, but not as scum as palmar, but we can be scum together?
On March 15 2024 00:50 iamperfection wrote: I mean at just a surface level they have been all over the place. Making ridiculous statements but also almost begging to be lynched. Dosnt seem like the most likely scum mindset to me the more I think about it. Yes it's possible but the more and more I think it makes me think CC has a likelihood to be town.
You say this but yes, there is a problem.
I am a wild card.
If I am alive I am a question mark, a red one.
If I die, who is the mafia?
I think that is the question that everyone should be asking because so far in many worlds I am mafia, just like VE and Tfrel for NOT TRYING ENOUGH OMG.
VE is so inactive Cake doesnt make sense and is insane I am going to make a case on DMB about how many times she has said fucking in the thread Tfrel is not stepping up his game
Are these good reasons to lynch?
This looks more of a "I am lynching you because I am better than you" game.
That is why I think I should get lynched. For town´s sake.
I am saying that people have been reading and want to lynch people for reasons like this:
VE is so inactive Cake doesnt make sense and is insane I am going to make a case on DMB about how many times she has said fucking in the thread Tfrel is not stepping up his game
On March 15 2024 00:50 iamperfection wrote: I mean at just a surface level they have been all over the place. Making ridiculous statements but also almost begging to be lynched. Dosnt seem like the most likely scum mindset to me the more I think about it. Yes it's possible but the more and more I think it makes me think CC has a likelihood to be town.
You say this but yes, there is a problem.
I am a wild card.
If I am alive I am a question mark, a red one.
If I die, who is the mafia?
I think that is the question that everyone should be asking because so far in many worlds I am mafia, just like VE and Tfrel for NOT TRYING ENOUGH OMG.
VE is so inactive Cake doesnt make sense and is insane I am going to make a case on DMB about how many times she has said fucking in the thread Tfrel is not stepping up his game
Are these good reasons to lynch?
This looks more of a "I am lynching you because I am better than you" game.
That is why I think I should get lynched. For town´s sake.
Who knows, people might get a surprise.
Cake I'm gonna be real with you and this may be a little blunt.
You need to get over this/yourself and just play. Most people are not scum reading you anymore. Your martyr play worked. Stop trying to get yourself lynched. If you are town, you are actively playing against your wincon and its really obnoxious. This game gets hostile at times sure but nothing in the thread this game has been over the top.
There are two wagons going right now. Neither of them are you. Stop talking about yourself and start trying to find scum. Stop talking about VE and yourself and the lynch yesterday, that's done. Unless you think you can draw conclusions from it to find scum, just move on.
I've been defending you and I'm getting tired of it.
I'm not trying to be rude, you need to break out of whatever mindset you're in and focus on finding scum.
What do you make of Iamp saving me? Because I am not satisfied with that answer.
What do you think of these sequence:
Post #128
On March 07 2024 23:45 Grackaroni wrote: Day Two VoteCount
On March 15 2024 02:52 CopCake wrote: I am saying that people have been reading and want to lynch people for reasons like this:
VE is so inactive Cake doesnt make sense and is insane I am going to make a case on DMB about how many times she has said fucking in the thread Tfrel is not stepping up his game
cake why would people saying that make them mafia.
i just dont understand.
Because there is something called pattern of behavior.
if we go by people by having little posts we should vote Jelaous then.
On March 15 2024 02:42 justanothertownie wrote: MZ is being downgraded from being town as of now.
On March 15 2024 02:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 15 2024 02:43 CopCake wrote:
On March 15 2024 00:50 iamperfection wrote: I mean at just a surface level they have been all over the place. Making ridiculous statements but also almost begging to be lynched. Dosnt seem like the most likely scum mindset to me the more I think about it. Yes it's possible but the more and more I think it makes me think CC has a likelihood to be town.
You say this but yes, there is a problem.
I am a wild card.
If I am alive I am a question mark, a red one.
If I die, who is the mafia?
I think that is the question that everyone should be asking because so far in many worlds I am mafia, just like VE and Tfrel for NOT TRYING ENOUGH OMG.
VE is so inactive Cake doesnt make sense and is insane I am going to make a case on DMB about how many times she has said fucking in the thread Tfrel is not stepping up his game
Are these good reasons to lynch?
This looks more of a "I am lynching you because I am better than you" game.
That is why I think I should get lynched. For town´s sake.
Who knows, people might get a surprise.
Cake I'm gonna be real with you and this may be a little blunt.
You need to get over this/yourself and just play. Most people are not scum reading you anymore. Your martyr play worked. Stop trying to get yourself lynched. If you are town, you are actively playing against your wincon and its really obnoxious. This game gets hostile at times sure but nothing in the thread this game has been over the top.
There are two wagons going right now. Neither of them are you. Stop talking about yourself and start trying to find scum. Stop talking about VE and yourself and the lynch yesterday, that's done. Unless you think you can draw conclusions from it to find scum, just move on.
I've been defending you and I'm getting tired of it.
I'm not trying to be rude, you need to break out of whatever mindset you're in and focus on finding scum.
Top town post from MZ. Mafia would sure enjoy copcake going off the rails. JAT still not voting Jealous.
Fine. I wanted to wait until I am through all the filters. But it takes very long and at this point (doing CC currently) I don't anticipate finding something better. I hope I can finish this today. ##Vote: Jealous
I dont understand why Koshi calls you mafia when you were the ONLY one who came and said "Cake you are wrong, Koshi is like this and this and that"
I also do not understand why you having fewer posts than a meta of 1867 makes you mafia.
On March 15 2024 00:50 iamperfection wrote: I mean at just a surface level they have been all over the place. Making ridiculous statements but also almost begging to be lynched. Dosnt seem like the most likely scum mindset to me the more I think about it. Yes it's possible but the more and more I think it makes me think CC has a likelihood to be town.
You say this but yes, there is a problem.
I am a wild card.
If I am alive I am a question mark, a red one.
If I die, who is the mafia?
I think that is the question that everyone should be asking because so far in many worlds I am mafia, just like VE and Tfrel for NOT TRYING ENOUGH OMG.
VE is so inactive Cake doesnt make sense and is insane I am going to make a case on DMB about how many times she has said fucking in the thread Tfrel is not stepping up his game
Are these good reasons to lynch?
This looks more of a "I am lynching you because I am better than you" game.
That is why I think I should get lynched. For town´s sake.
Who knows, people might get a surprise.
Cake I'm gonna be real with you and this may be a little blunt.
You need to get over this/yourself and just play. Most people are not scum reading you anymore. Your martyr play worked. Stop trying to get yourself lynched. If you are town, you are actively playing against your wincon and its really obnoxious. This game gets hostile at times sure but nothing in the thread this game has been over the top.
There are two wagons going right now. Neither of them are you. Stop talking about yourself and start trying to find scum. Stop talking about VE and yourself and the lynch yesterday, that's done. Unless you think you can draw conclusions from it to find scum, just move on.
I've been defending you and I'm getting tired of it.
I'm not trying to be rude, you need to break out of whatever mindset you're in and focus on finding scum.
What do you make of Iamp saving me? Because I am not satisfied with that answer.
On March 15 2024 04:37 Palmar wrote: Remember that a lot of mafia play with constant fear of doing anything stupid and anti-town. It's one of the things that has kept a bunch of people alive this game.
This applies to voting too. Mafia has no idea if town chickens out of killing VE if he actually takes the lead. and as the wagon on VE grows, they ABSOLUTELY do not want to be the ones delivering the hammer blow on a townie over a red check. Only the very, very best mafia players take that challenge.
And doesnt iamp fits that?
The TTS votes would look good for mafiaoats and mafiaiamp.
So if that train starts, oats and iamp look town and mafia keeps their framer. Oats would be considered miller.
On March 15 2024 00:50 iamperfection wrote: I mean at just a surface level they have been all over the place. Making ridiculous statements but also almost begging to be lynched. Dosnt seem like the most likely scum mindset to me the more I think about it. Yes it's possible but the more and more I think it makes me think CC has a likelihood to be town.
You say this but yes, there is a problem.
I am a wild card.
If I am alive I am a question mark, a red one.
If I die, who is the mafia?
I think that is the question that everyone should be asking because so far in many worlds I am mafia, just like VE and Tfrel for NOT TRYING ENOUGH OMG.
VE is so inactive Cake doesnt make sense and is insane I am going to make a case on DMB about how many times she has said fucking in the thread Tfrel is not stepping up his game
Are these good reasons to lynch?
This looks more of a "I am lynching you because I am better than you" game.
That is why I think I should get lynched. For town´s sake.
Who knows, people might get a surprise.
Cake I'm gonna be real with you and this may be a little blunt.
You need to get over this/yourself and just play. Most people are not scum reading you anymore. Your martyr play worked. Stop trying to get yourself lynched. If you are town, you are actively playing against your wincon and its really obnoxious. This game gets hostile at times sure but nothing in the thread this game has been over the top.
There are two wagons going right now. Neither of them are you. Stop talking about yourself and start trying to find scum. Stop talking about VE and yourself and the lynch yesterday, that's done. Unless you think you can draw conclusions from it to find scum, just move on.
I've been defending you and I'm getting tired of it.
I'm not trying to be rude, you need to break out of whatever mindset you're in and focus on finding scum.
What do you make of Iamp saving me? Because I am not satisfied with that answer.
What do you think of these sequence:
Post #128
On March 07 2024 23:45 Grackaroni wrote: Day Two VoteCount
Not Voting (6): Vivax, marvellosity, Palmar, Koshi, ToTheStars, VisceraEyes
With 10 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
And what did IAMP did on post #129?
On March 08 2024 00:47 iamperfection wrote: ##unvote ##vote ToTheStars
and who followed?
On March 08 2024 01:14 Oatsmaster wrote: ##unvote ##vote tts
And there are more votes that look synchronized. I can unserstand people like Jacob and Slam sheeping, but there are too many votes that look... bad.
What do you think of this JAT? Is it NAI?
I am currently reading his filter. Hard to say. I do not think saving you makes him town if you are town (I do give him townpoints for it though - I think mafia would have rather lynched you than VE, who they could just easily mislynch at any point). Obviously if you are mafia it is pretty bad. I do not believe it means a lot that Oats followed his vote there.
I want to believe VE would have gone berserker mode lol
The day before at some point TTS had a wagon on him
The day ended and night happened
Slam got a check on Oats
Oats and Iamp start a wagon for TTS, a safe bet to make mafiaoats who is a power role and mafiaiamp look better. The TTS train is something that - could happen - but since it didnt they went for VE while the rest of the mafia TTS and someone else went for Oats.
On March 15 2024 04:44 CopCake wrote: This is my question:
The day before at some point TTS had a wagon on him
The day ended and night happened
Slam got a check on Oats
Oats and Iamp start a wagon for TTS, a safe bet to make mafiaoats who is a power role and mafiaiamp look better. The TTS train is something that - could happen - but since it didnt they went for VE while the rest of the mafia TTS and someone else went for Oats.
I like this
Mafia tried wagon on TTS on day 2, thinking town would follow as the day before. But it didnt. It was a safe bet
On March 06 2024 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote: [quote] Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now Jacob more null slam town
Updates from Oats' filter since the above reads list: 2847: Voted JAT anyway despite townreading him, to give Trfel "time to play." Because of where the votes were, I am not gonna change alignments here, but it should be noted that Oats had JAT as town and Trfel as NA. 3414: "Jsl saying that koshi’s thing was a scumslip but DMB’s thing wasn’t a scumslip is super sus" 3861: "I’m just laughing at the jealous post completely accepting that he’s acting in an anti town manner because of “probability”" <- I don't think this is enough for me to assume they SR me but who knows. 3990: "For claim reactions, I think that the way jealous reacted felt very preplanned and lining up the mislynches, what do you think?" <- This is closer to an accusation IMO.* 4067: "Overall, it just doesn’t seem like mz has natural progressions and is not trying to find mafia" 4013: "If this means that you think slam is cop then yes I agree "
Scum: JAT Meapak_Ziphh Jacob ToTheStars VE DMB CopCake
Can you elaborate on the above changes? Old positions crossed out, new positions should be accurate.
On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote: How did you get jat is town from my filter
From this, quoted above in response to the original list:
Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now
Oh that was night wifom, he’s definitely scum
Alright. Also found your TTS reasoning above, so we can skip that one.
1. I'm guessing Jacob town because of the role claim, correct? 2. Why is JAT scum? 3. And why is CopCake town?
I really don’t like the way he was absolving himself of responsibility on day 1 and sheeping marv wholesale while claiming marv wasn’t a townread for him. Today hes said twice now about the check possibly being altered but he’s seems to have said it just to say it without fully considering what the options are
There are no options, Oats. If you are town you have been very unfortunate. Or slam is mafia, which I think is very unlikely. In each case, the correct play is always to lynch you today.
On March 15 2024 06:39 DarthPunk wrote: I want cake or JAT this phase.
🥰
Look people from the Obvs that I tried, tried to work with DP.
Just remember, town, DP is not cleared.
If he start his emo stuff do not buy it.
FAQ:
Plurality lynch. In the case of a tied vote the first player to obtain the most votes is lynched. Mafia kp is carried. Each night the mafia must designate a player to carry each kill. Players may visit multiple people. Mafia cannot hold their shot. Town may vote for a no lynch Self voting is allowed. Mafia communications will be held over discord.
On March 21 2024 19:16 CopCake wrote: Let’s play paint mafia!
Promise to play please.
I really did not enjoy the antics on day 4. Self voting, martyring, threatening to be replaced basically amount to cheating. We used to have pretty strict rules about playing against your win condition.
I enjoyed the bits of the game when you actually played. I absolutely hated that other part.
I was planning that regardless of what I roll, I will post less and wait until I get home to play on conputer.
EPT
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(Those interactions are on Palmar filter page1)
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