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vivax are tyou still around? I want to talk
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On March 08 2024 13:26 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 13:22 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 12:38 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 12:37 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 12:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 12:34 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 12:30 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 12:27 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 09:55 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 09:49 marvellosity wrote:
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Why is it wild? sandro and I and maybe rayn too both discussed jk is stronger than cop. Mafia marv has two options - block rayn - block vivax Both of them (at least rayn) decides to protect slam. Therefore mafia knows not to waste kills there. So either rayn or vivax got blocked (duh) over slam. But why not block slam if rayn or vivax would protect slam anyways? (In mafia marvs perspective) I think this kinda clears marv? I mean that would be the best mafia play. Block slam because he would be protected anyways and you know rayn would waste his doc on him and vivax would JK block/ slam So the one who got blocked was vivax and no rayn! Marv is town by night actions. Please correct me if I am wrong. I think this is a very townie post The logic is pretty wrong IMO. I don't understand why you assume mafia would think Vivax would protect Slam though. After removing that assumption, the logic kind of fall apart Kind of moot since I think marv is very very townie I think she is pocketing him here. Your last point is why. Wild theories like this are not something I associate with scum!CopCake. Planning on rereading the latest game where we were scum together to verify when I'm caught up Pocketing is not a wild theory, its standard practice as mafia. In that specific case, the logic to which she arrives at the marv townread, not the attempt itself That looks like standard mafia fare to me. Lots of waffling about nothing important to land on an important town read for your own survival. Comparing CopCake with that game: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/586368-chezinu-streaks-mafia?user=CopCake&view=allI think it's pretty different. In this current game, she talks very freely, posts stuff like this even when unprompted. The other game doesn't contain a weird theory, just "faking to be town" with "normal analysis, with sometimes some fake confrontation or anger. And even then, nothing that comes to the level of interaction she had this game, like when she bumped into you D1, rayn N1, Slam D2 as examples ... This is reflected in the filter size too: 19 pages in this game (in the middle of D2) vs 9 pages in that game (lynched D4) <333333333333
Copcake did I read you correctly earlier today that you were hesitant to lynch oats hence all your questions to slam>
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The one night of the week I have time to stay up late and eveyrone else goes to bed.
Oh well this bottle of bourbon won't drink itself lol
Rels, Cop, DP how are you?
copcake I swear I'm not obsessed with you, please just answer me regarding your questions of slam about his oats check. I'm trying to come to grips with the impossible rn.
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On March 08 2024 13:47 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 13:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
The one night of the week I have time to stay up late and eveyrone else goes to bed.
Oh well this bottle of bourbon won't drink itself lol
Rels, Cop, DP how are you?
copcake I swear I'm not obsessed with you, please just answer me regarding your questions of slam about his oats check. I'm trying to come to grips with the impossible rn. I'm enjoying chatting with Jealous in the mason chat and staying out of the thread a bit to be honest.
Fair, you kids have fun lol
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On March 08 2024 13:52 Rels wrote:
Not a fan of DMB after slogging through her filter.
I don't like that she spends soooo much time talking almost only about Vivax or the way she plays in the abstract early D1. I already didn't like it at the time D1, which prompted my push for a list from her. That list is pretty bad IMO - the only substanciated read is, again, on Vivax. The case on DP contains nothing that makes him scum. The dumbtell on D2 looks very forced.
I know she was scumread a lot as town though so I will need to verify if those points were present in her town game. Not tonight though
Sigh, this was another person I owe a read through on. guess I'll do that now
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On March 08 2024 13:52 Rels wrote:
Not a fan of DMB after slogging through her filter.
I don't like that she spends soooo much time talking almost only about Vivax or the way she plays in the abstract early D1. I already didn't like it at the time D1, which prompted my push for a list from her. That list is pretty bad IMO - the only substanciated read is, again, on Vivax. The case on DP contains nothing that makes him scum. The dumbtell on D2 looks very forced.
I know she was scumread a lot as town though so I will need to verify if those points were present in her town game. Not tonight though
I also slogged through her filter and the biggest thing that stood out was her days long tunnel of DP. That's easy to maintain as town and easy to maintain as scum imo. Town bc you just 100% think you're right and scum bc you don't need to try very hard. That said I do think she's still fairly in line with her meta from the town that I remember. I think she's wrong about DP but not in a scum way.
At the end of the day I see more scum in VE/Marv at this point.
Don't even ask me about oats rn, I need to sleep on that.
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On March 08 2024 14:50 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 14:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 08 2024 13:52 Rels wrote:
Not a fan of DMB after slogging through her filter.
I don't like that she spends soooo much time talking almost only about Vivax or the way she plays in the abstract early D1. I already didn't like it at the time D1, which prompted my push for a list from her. That list is pretty bad IMO - the only substanciated read is, again, on Vivax. The case on DP contains nothing that makes him scum. The dumbtell on D2 looks very forced.
I know she was scumread a lot as town though so I will need to verify if those points were present in her town game. Not tonight though I also slogged through her filter and the biggest thing that stood out was her days long tunnel of DP. That's easy to maintain as town and easy to maintain as scum imo. Town bc you just 100% think you're right and scum bc you don't need to try very hard. That said I do think she's still fairly in line with her meta from the town that I remember. I think she's wrong about DP but not in a scum way. At the end of the day I see more scum in VE/Marv at this point. Don't even ask me about oats rn, I need to sleep on that. Why is marv mafia?
I can answer this tomorrow, I'm going to bed now but it's almost entirely a meta read based on effort and activity. I was hoping my mason with palmar would help sort some of that out but it's been rather useless so far.
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On March 08 2024 12:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 12:06 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2024 12:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 08 2024 07:43 Vivax wrote:
Marv is mafia, anyway.
He should be here dumping everything they discussed before his masons got killed, and taking control and he isn‘t doing either.
I‘d lynch him before Oats.
##Vote marvellosity How serious are you about this vote? I think 4 mafia were on Trfel now. Marv can wait My vote is on jat. What has pushed JAT ahead of Marv in your eyes? I finally did a decent read of JAT and I think I know why youve got some of the reads the way they are i dont think you're 100% right but I might be understanding someo f your thought process
Vivax I still wanna know if I was following your thought process on JAT correctly.
What do you think of this VE push?
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On March 09 2024 01:21 CopCake wrote:
MZ, i dont wanna be mean but I answered your question.
Did it help somehow with your reads?
I understand you were confused about slam's choice. I was trying to figure out if that stemmed purely from questioning slam or if it was also driven by a townread of Oats.
I think it helped. The biggest thing for me right now are the amount of people who voted Oats while calling him town. People caveating their votes like that is making me second guess some things.
At least you decided to scum read him based on the NKs after I asked you the questions yesterday morning.
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On March 09 2024 01:42 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 01:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 09 2024 01:21 CopCake wrote:
MZ, i dont wanna be mean but I answered your question.
Did it help somehow with your reads? I understand you were confused about slam's choice. I was trying to figure out if that stemmed purely from questioning slam or if it was also driven by a townread of Oats. I think it helped. The biggest thing for me right now are the amount of people who voted Oats while calling him town. People caveating their votes like that is making me second guess some things. At least you decided to scum read him based on the NKs after I asked you the questions yesterday morning. … do you not think he looks town and are you not voting for him?
I thought his case on me was a little opportunistic but a lot of the stuff after that has looked better/town than anything else he's posted this game. I am voting him because I think he's going to flip red bc the math says so. Notice I'm not voting him and saying "oh yeah but I think he'll flip town." It's stuff like that which is giving me pause on him tbh, why vote on him when you think he'll flip town. If you think he's gonna flip town as Miller then why are you voting for him. If you think he got framed why are you voting for him. In a vacuum I think he's going to flip red because of how unlikely it is for either of those events to occur. But everyone being so wishy washy with their votes is making me uncomfortable.
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Copcake now voting jealous is why I was trying to figure out how serious she was when she said something to the effect of "guess Oats is scum bc of the NKs" I'm phone posting at work otherwise I'd try and quote it but it happened after my initial conversation with her yesterday morning.
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This is also why I was asking Vivax about his vote on JAT and his reads on you and JAT. Like if he seriously believes one of you is more likely to be scum than Oats or if he's just looking for a way to not have his vote on Oats at the end of day. I've said it many times before, I don't see any way for vivax to be scum at this point but unless he's serious about lynching you guys, idk what he's doing.
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On March 07 2024 14:06 CopCake wrote:
So in conclusion
oats is either mafia or miller. I would go mafia for Rayn’s death.
So
##vote: Oats
Hi cake, what is this?
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I wanted to include that in the post you quoted but copy/pasting on phone is annoying
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On March 09 2024 02:06 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 01:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 09 2024 01:42 marvellosity wrote:On March 09 2024 01:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 09 2024 01:21 CopCake wrote:
MZ, i dont wanna be mean but I answered your question.
Did it help somehow with your reads? I understand you were confused about slam's choice. I was trying to figure out if that stemmed purely from questioning slam or if it was also driven by a townread of Oats. I think it helped. The biggest thing for me right now are the amount of people who voted Oats while calling him town. People caveating their votes like that is making me second guess some things. At least you decided to scum read him based on the NKs after I asked you the questions yesterday morning. … do you not think he looks town and are you not voting for him? I thought his case on me was a little opportunistic but a lot of the stuff after that has looked better/town than anything else he's posted this game. I am voting him because I think he's going to flip red bc the math says so. Notice I'm not voting him and saying "oh yeah but I think he'll flip town." It's stuff like that which is giving me pause on him tbh, why vote on him when you think he'll flip town. If you think he's gonna flip town as Miller then why are you voting for him. If you think he got framed why are you voting for him. In a vacuum I think he's going to flip red because of how unlikely it is for either of those events to occur. But everyone being so wishy washy with their votes is making me uncomfortable. This is just semantics though. I’m honestly not saying this to be a dick, but I see what you’re saying and what I’ve said (I am just an example, there are others like me) as functionally equivalent. Which is the dude looks town (‘I think he’s town’ and ‘he looks town’ are the same statement in the context of the red check) but that’s where the vote ends up. It’s just different ways of people expressing their read. And people understanding it’s very difficult to overcome a personal read in the face of a red check. Do you see what I’m saying?
Sure I get what you're saying but to me there is a difference between thinking someone looks town but thinking they'll flip scum and thinking someone looks town, is gonna a flip town, and the voting them anyway.
People not overcoming their personal read in the face of a red check and voting with their read is at least more honest than not overcoming that read but still voting for the red check.
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I do not understand what copcake and vivax are doing right now with their votes.
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On March 09 2024 02:24 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 09 2024 01:14 CopCake wrote:
Well if you are not miller, what are you?
It is not logical to think he is setting up a slam lynch if you flip miller.
And Framer I think is pretty low.
Idk if I am seeing that correctly.
I believe you are town and miller. VT that got framed? Which mafia would know? If you knew slam was cop it isnt so hard to frame the bolded ? in his read list. I didnt check time stamps.
This might be the smartest thing you've posted koshi.
Reading through Slam's D1 and Oats is his most consistent scumread. It could also explain why Slam didn't die last night.
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I hate this game, I'm getting no work done.
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On March 09 2024 02:41 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 03:43 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 00:12 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 23:39 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 23:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 23:34 iamperfection wrote:
Cop might just be dumb. I felt like dmb knew trfels alignment ignored me multiple times when I said the play was different. Trfel themselves admitted they were playing bad
yes i am more sure of dmb being mafia here, but cake still said: 1) vivax/dp/iamp changed the lynch from palmar (for no reason as mafia) 2) dp pocketed palmar (and palmar is not town) it does not sit well with me. i just cant wrap my head around it... i dont understand how she is trying to explain this now (she has), if someone can read that to me so i can understand it it would be really nice. You just dont want to understand. 🫨 that's just wrong. im the fucking best town player in this game with JAT even if i am wrong on you and those plebs almost lynched him. Rayn listen to me for a moment please. You’re doing this thing you always do where something doesn’t make logical sense to you and drawing the conclusion it must come from mafia. I think it’s really quite unlikely CC is mafia. Her play feels quite different to when we were mafia. There I struggled to get her to do much other stuff than defend herself. Which is fair enough. Here she has a bunch of crazy opinions and is constantly sticking her neck out. The simple explanation is she is super into the game and is thinking about things in a way you don’t grasp and doesn’t make sense to you. She’s playing like some blend of town Koshi/Vivax. Just consider it for me please I don't want to get too in the weeds here but this is part of my frustration/desire to just lynch CopCake and call it a day. Basically, if we assume the following: town!CopCake = Does weird RP, gets reads from tea leaves and the phases of the moon while Mercury is in Gatorade, and says stuff like "I am bad town but good mafia so that somehow makes me good for town", then I'm not really getting much out of their interactions, they are not pushing the game forward, and I don't see any reason to keep them around. This doesn't make them the scummiest, but it's just a less schizo Race Bannon. ... and... scum!CopCake = Does weird RP, gets reads from tea leaves and the phases of the moon while Mercury is in Gatorade, and says stuff like "I am bad town but good mafia so that somehow makes me good for town", then I'm not really getting much out of their interactions, they are not pushing the game forward, and I don't see any reason to keep them around. This doesn't make them the scummiest, but it's just a less schizo Race Bannon. So QED CopCake, even if town, is being more of a hindrance than a beneficial force. However, I will admit I like what her posting brought out of rayn in my absence, so perhaps I am being a bit too harsh here. Then again, it feels more like rayn putting a lot of work to untangle what CopCake is saying, more so than CopCake saying good things, IMO. TL;DR: I can be convinced to lynch vote someone else with a strong case against them, but CopCake's interactions so far make me think this might be a good lynch in general. Here.
What part of this is mean? If anything he caveats his own read saying he's being harsh but I don't read this as mean.
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