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On March 06 2024 19:13 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 19:10 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 19:07 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 19:02 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 13:57 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 13:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 13:42 CopCake wrote:
Mafia
DP
Iamp
Vivax
this is so bad it deserves to be lynched. Why? Explain me why is Darth town? Because he did a catastrophe yesterday. Did you read DPs analysis of why I am town? I may be hard pocketed but I did point out that he is right for the right reasons. Mafia can do that. You should know this. Mafia can be right, but because they don't have to actually think to reach the right conclusion they're rarely right for the right reasons. DP is very high on my town list. Some of the stuff I like him for isn't even alignment indicative (and some is). He thinks reasonably about the game and is very active. I don't think going after him is a viable avenue. False. I have been mafia and I have lynched people for the right people and I have called town for the right reasons. I think is harder when you are town to come to the right reasons.
No you haven't, you just think you have.
Make a case on DP if you want it so much. I've made my case as to why I think he's town. And stop arguing with me about how mafia works, I know how it works.
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I hate pretty much all of your takes CopCake
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Also the people shitting on town for the conclusion of the day are going way down my list
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On March 06 2024 19:18 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 19:16 Palmar wrote:
I hate pretty much all of your takes CopCake And?
Don't know if it's because she's mafia or just bad. I would need to actually go read her filter.
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On March 06 2024 19:18 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 19:15 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 19:13 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 19:10 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 19:07 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 19:02 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 13:57 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 13:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 13:42 CopCake wrote:
Mafia
DP
Iamp
Vivax
this is so bad it deserves to be lynched. Why? Explain me why is Darth town? Because he did a catastrophe yesterday. Did you read DPs analysis of why I am town? I may be hard pocketed but I did point out that he is right for the right reasons. Mafia can do that. You should know this. Mafia can be right, but because they don't have to actually think to reach the right conclusion they're rarely right for the right reasons. DP is very high on my town list. Some of the stuff I like him for isn't even alignment indicative (and some is). He thinks reasonably about the game and is very active. I don't think going after him is a viable avenue. False. I have been mafia and I have lynched people for the right people and I have called town for the right reasons. I think is harder when you are town to come to the right reasons. No you haven't, you just think you have. Make a case on DP if you want it so much. I've made my case as to why I think he's town. And stop arguing with me about how mafia works, I know how it works. I have before. And I dont think is benefical for town to act like “crazy lady” If you think DP is town because “he called me town for the right reasons” then… And you sound sure I havent. I suck as town, I am good scum.
Noted.
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On March 06 2024 19:18 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 19:15 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 19:13 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 19:10 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 19:07 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 19:02 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 13:57 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 13:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 13:42 CopCake wrote:
Mafia
DP
Iamp
Vivax
this is so bad it deserves to be lynched. Why? Explain me why is Darth town? Because he did a catastrophe yesterday. Did you read DPs analysis of why I am town? I may be hard pocketed but I did point out that he is right for the right reasons. Mafia can do that. You should know this. Mafia can be right, but because they don't have to actually think to reach the right conclusion they're rarely right for the right reasons. DP is very high on my town list. Some of the stuff I like him for isn't even alignment indicative (and some is). He thinks reasonably about the game and is very active. I don't think going after him is a viable avenue. False. I have been mafia and I have lynched people for the right people and I have called town for the right reasons. I think is harder when you are town to come to the right reasons. No you haven't, you just think you have. Make a case on DP if you want it so much. I've made my case as to why I think he's town. And stop arguing with me about how mafia works, I know how it works. I have before. And I dont think is benefical for town to act like “crazy lady” If you think DP is town because “he called me town for the right reasons” then… And you sound sure I havent. I suck as town, I am good scum.
And to be fair, those are inherently linked.
Think of for example Vivax this game. Let's assume he's mafia and got himself elected mayor on a fake claim.
The ONLY reason he can do that is because town collectively agrees he can be bad as town. It's ALWAYS bad as town to claim anything on day 1. But because we know Vivax can be bad as town, we are completely unable to hold him to the standard, so he can get away with this kinda stuff.
If someone that is consistently good as town tried what Vivax did tried the same thing, I'd be screaming for a lynch.
Anyway, that's enough mafia theorycrafting. Need to focus on game.
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On March 06 2024 11:46 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:44 Alakaslam wrote:On March 06 2024 11:43 DarthPunk wrote:
Why does DMB not post reads.
The last time she was up for lynch as town she spewed town hard. Anger, different more ... Arrogant, playerbase She and vivax hate hubris. ahh thats why we both don´t like Palmar
That makes no sense, I am probably the most humble player you will ever meet.
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On March 06 2024 19:30 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 19:23 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 19:18 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 19:15 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 19:13 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 19:10 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 19:07 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 19:02 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 13:57 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 13:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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this is so bad it deserves to be lynched.
Why? Explain me why is Darth town? Because he did a catastrophe yesterday. Did you read DPs analysis of why I am town? I may be hard pocketed but I did point out that he is right for the right reasons. Mafia can do that. You should know this. Mafia can be right, but because they don't have to actually think to reach the right conclusion they're rarely right for the right reasons. DP is very high on my town list. Some of the stuff I like him for isn't even alignment indicative (and some is). He thinks reasonably about the game and is very active. I don't think going after him is a viable avenue. False. I have been mafia and I have lynched people for the right people and I have called town for the right reasons. I think is harder when you are town to come to the right reasons. No you haven't, you just think you have. Make a case on DP if you want it so much. I've made my case as to why I think he's town. And stop arguing with me about how mafia works, I know how it works. I have before. And I dont think is benefical for town to act like “crazy lady” If you think DP is town because “he called me town for the right reasons” then… And you sound sure I havent. I suck as town, I am good scum. And to be fair, those are inherently linked. Think of for example Vivax this game. Let's assume he's mafia and got himself elected mayor on a fake claim. The ONLY reason he can do that is because town collectively agrees he can be bad as town. It's ALWAYS bad as town to claim anything on day 1. But because we know Vivax can be bad as town, we are completely unable to hold him to the standard, so he can get away with this kinda stuff. If someone that is consistently good as town tried what Vivax did tried the same thing, I'd be screaming for a lynch. Anyway, that's enough mafia theorycrafting. Need to focus on game. But isnt vivax one of those “keep alive because he can be good” guys?
Nope
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On March 06 2024 19:47 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 19:44 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 06 2024 19:42 CopCake wrote:
Can someone link me the infamous "DP was mafia" game? Tbh I think dps filter is massive. So big I don't think he's ever had a filter this size before as mafia. If he's mafia he has taken it to heights since unknown. His recent game in which he fooled grack, rayn and idk who else, oats?
Ok if you're town and you admit you suck as town, maybe listen to some experience.
DP is very good as mafia and can be mafia here.
But it's a huge game and we need to prioritize. We're not lynching people who are making sense, making good calls and leading town when we have plenty of lower hanging fruit to go after. You HAVE to be willing to be wrong to be good at town. You can always change your mind later. I was wrong so much last game and ended up back to back supporting lynch on mafia I had called town to win the game last game. And doing so I sheeped/supported people I had (wrongly) called mafia all game.
Re-evaluating based on game state is NOT A BAD THING. Killing a town leader with a huge filter and good takes is just tinfoil hat bad play. No need to be a hero when there's administrative tasks to be finished first. If DP is mafia we'll cross that bridge when we get there. You're not using your time efficiently by chasing him at the moment. We'll cross that bridge when we get there.
People are really afraid of "getting fooled" by good mafia, but the reality it's so much worse to get fooled by bad mafia. If let's say... TTS and DP are both mafia, I'd much rather be fooled by DP than TTS.
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For the record, I don't think he's mafia. I think DP is town.
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On March 06 2024 19:54 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 19:47 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 19:30 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 19:23 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 19:18 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 19:15 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 19:13 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 19:10 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 19:07 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 19:02 Palmar wrote:
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Did you read DPs analysis of why I am town?
I may be hard pocketed but I did point out that he is right for the right reasons. Mafia can do that. You should know this. Mafia can be right, but because they don't have to actually think to reach the right conclusion they're rarely right for the right reasons. DP is very high on my town list. Some of the stuff I like him for isn't even alignment indicative (and some is). He thinks reasonably about the game and is very active. I don't think going after him is a viable avenue. False. I have been mafia and I have lynched people for the right people and I have called town for the right reasons. I think is harder when you are town to come to the right reasons. No you haven't, you just think you have. Make a case on DP if you want it so much. I've made my case as to why I think he's town. And stop arguing with me about how mafia works, I know how it works. I have before. And I dont think is benefical for town to act like “crazy lady” If you think DP is town because “he called me town for the right reasons” then… And you sound sure I havent. I suck as town, I am good scum. And to be fair, those are inherently linked. Think of for example Vivax this game. Let's assume he's mafia and got himself elected mayor on a fake claim. The ONLY reason he can do that is because town collectively agrees he can be bad as town. It's ALWAYS bad as town to claim anything on day 1. But because we know Vivax can be bad as town, we are completely unable to hold him to the standard, so he can get away with this kinda stuff. If someone that is consistently good as town tried what Vivax did tried the same thing, I'd be screaming for a lynch. Anyway, that's enough mafia theorycrafting. Need to focus on game. But isnt vivax one of those “keep alive because he can be good” guys? Nope I havent experienced that. People respect Vivax.
Oh I respect Vivax, but he's not a shining beacon of consistency and logical town play. He will do (this game is an example, if he's town, and I kinda think he is) things that are blatantly anti-town as town.
Remember, this is all not directly related to game things. I have no reason to lie about any of the things I'm telling you as either alignment. There is literally not a single player in this game with more experience of playing here than me. Maybe VE has a similar game count?
You don't have to listen to my reads, I'm good, but not the best at scumhunting. But you should listen to stuff like this.
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On March 06 2024 20:01 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 19:54 Palmar wrote:
For the record, I don't think he's mafia. I think DP is town. Because he pocketed you. And I am open to things, ofc I know I cant be 100% right, but my insight for being good scum is what helps town. I can tell when some actions look more for “save face” or when a night action cant clear someone. Thing is, DP has been doing opposite things of he claims he will do. -DP says: I dont wanna be mayor because I am burn out of my last game - Reallity: DP started a wagon on someone WHO DIDNT EVEN HAVE votes, and then went after JAT. So much for being burn out, no? Someone who says and claims is tired created chaos. I need to see how was his mafia game to have better context but I can bet he wins the heart of “big players” with “good arguments”
Even this little tidbit points to town, not mafia. It's not a lock town case, but it's actually pretty good.
He says he's gonna be lazy, but then can't help himself spamming 20 pages of the game. While inconsistent with his stated aims the emotion behind that is almost certainly excitement over playing the game, and generally town players are far more excited about playing than mafia.
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It's so enjoyable watching rayn hammering someone other than yourself.
Go rayn!
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On March 06 2024 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 22:35 Palmar wrote:
It's so enjoyable watching rayn hammering someone other than yourself.
Go rayn! youre still scum. until you explain how in your head mafia rayn masoned mafia marv (1min into the game) masoned town sandroba. until you tell us why VE is mafia, because he is
You see, I understand this is a stretch for you but I am capable of holding multiple options in my head at any moment.
We had this argument last game as well, where you were mafia trying to hammer me for exactly the same logic.
I do not make associative reads
So, I can think at some point that marv is mafia, and I can independently think you are mafia, and even if I agree that it's unlikely you'd do a stunt like that, that doesn't change my individual conclusions. Now I'm not even sure marv is mafia, hell I'm not even sure you're mafia, I really liked you going after copcake just now.
Remember, we HAD THIS ARGUMENT last game, and you were the mafia and I was the town there. I do not make associative reads and I do not care about links like this. I just individually consider players and accept that sometimes I'm wrong. If marv is scum and you're town, that makes the mason thing suddenly not weird at all, same with the other direction, could just be a stunt you pull.
It really doesn't matter to me, that's not how I think about the game.
Also I kinda agree VE has fallen off a cliff in my opinion. I kinda wrote him off and haven't filter dived him mostly for that tonal read that he was enjoying himself, but since then he has stopped enjoying playing... so... that no longer applies?
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On March 06 2024 22:26 justanothertownie wrote:
Other wagon(s) will come later. The conclusion from my own is 1 of Rels and Palmar + MZ are likely mafia. Would mean the team was spread out well which is what I expect.
Terrible analysis
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On March 06 2024 22:37 sandroba wrote:
I'm liking palmar more and more. His night posts read really genuine to me, maybe I'm a fool but I'm prob not going after palmar d2.
Marv had some paranoind behavior in the qt which has fully convinced me he is town.
I think these are the big question marks for people and I think they are both town.
By process of elimination here is what I'm at:
Likely mafia: ve + rels - both didn't care one bit about the lynch imo
Depending on TTS being mafia or town it leave us 2/3 mafia in this pile:
mz, jsl, jat, cop, dmb, slam
This is where I'm at.
You know, if sandro says marv is town, I'll happily accept that and hold on to further shadethrowing in that direction.
Makes the game a lot easier for me if I just assume the two of you are town and work from there.
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On March 07 2024 00:14 iamperfection wrote:
It's like your asking permission to scum read ve
Can I sir?
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On March 06 2024 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote:
I'm finalizing here.
I like a bunch of mafia in:
rayn
jat
rels
mz
tts
then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy
vivax
trfel
hapa
then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve
iamp
marv
jealous
copcake
slam
ve
and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town
sandro
oats
dp
dmb
jls
koshi
None of the lists are in any particular order
I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever. Whoever likes this post as for Palmar townie points, is stupid. This post has something for everyone, everyone can be happy about something in this post, and it literally says nothing at all. Even the Trfel townread is not a townread really.
I mean that post can be ignored, it's already out of date. I was just going to sleep and had no idea if town would swing back around on me, so I wanted to summarize how I felt about the game in case I flipped.
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On March 06 2024 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote:
I'm finalizing here.
I like a bunch of mafia in:
rayn
jat
rels
mz
tts
then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy
vivax
trfel
hapa
then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve
iamp
marv
jealous
copcake
slam
ve
and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town
sandro
oats
dp
dmb
jls
koshi
None of the lists are in any particular order
I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever. where is your case on vivax?
There's no case I think he's town.
I've said multiple times correct play would have been to policy lynch him day 1.
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On March 06 2024 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WHERE IS YOUR FUCKING CASE ON VIVAX, PALMAR?
Are you just not reading my filter at all and shouting louder than everyone....
On March 05 2024 10:07 Palmar wrote:
If I was less lazy I would basically force everyone into either voting vivax mayor or voting to lynch him. Fencesitting on a blue claim is just bad.
I haven’t read his filter but my instinct is to mayor Vivax.
On March 05 2024 22:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 22:37 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:36 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 22:31 Palmar wrote:
So thoughts on Vivax
1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia.
2) He did claim so we work with what we got
3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill"
4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax
In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor.
There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, [/]and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point.
That solves that problem for me.
I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though. I think, I said, he can do this as mafia. Oh he can, what Vivax lacks in brains he has in balls. I just don't think anyone is trying to argue that he is. Like make a case on him if you think this is wrong. That's a false dichotomy. You don't have to think he is mafia in order to prefer someone else as mayor. You don't have to, I'm not your mom. But it's still stupid. Like it or not, by claiming Vivax made the game about himself. The objectively correct play as town here is to lynch him. That is literally the best play. But we've decided not to do that and I kinda think that's the right call. Essentially we assume Vivax is bad town and not mafia. If that's the case he has a very, very strong power role and we think he's town, so we just make him mayor. I really can't think of why we would not do one or the other if we're playing logically. We can always force him to kill whoever we want dead, he's not without responsibility as mayor.
On March 05 2024 22:51 Palmar wrote:
The tiny little fascist in me really wants to kill Vivax for making a bad play but I'm just gonna ignore that. I can't see clear scum posting in what I've filtered of him.
On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote:
This is just random and for post-game purposes.
We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective).
1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question
2) TTS - Complete inactivity
3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia
4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why
But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad.
On March 06 2024 08:48 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 08:45 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote:
This is just random and for post-game purposes.
We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective).
1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question
2) TTS - Complete inactivity
3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia
4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why
But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad. Technically 5 with The slam claim but somehow we're all collectively forgetting it happened at seperate times.
Right
Like I'm going to be mad if Vivax is mafia because I know in my heart that I'm being incredibly dumb not lynching him. But I'm allowing my gut to win against my inner fascist.
[B]On March 06 2024 19:23 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 19:18 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 19:15 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 19:13 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 19:10 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 19:07 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 19:02 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 13:57 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 13:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 13:42 CopCake wrote:
Mafia
DP
Iamp
Vivax
this is so bad it deserves to be lynched. Why? Explain me why is Darth town? Because he did a catastrophe yesterday. Did you read DPs analysis of why I am town? I may be hard pocketed but I did point out that he is right for the right reasons. Mafia can do that. You should know this. Mafia can be right, but because they don't have to actually think to reach the right conclusion they're rarely right for the right reasons. DP is very high on my town list. Some of the stuff I like him for isn't even alignment indicative (and some is). He thinks reasonably about the game and is very active. I don't think going after him is a viable avenue. False. I have been mafia and I have lynched people for the right people and I have called town for the right reasons. I think is harder when you are town to come to the right reasons. No you haven't, you just think you have. Make a case on DP if you want it so much. I've made my case as to why I think he's town. And stop arguing with me about how mafia works, I know how it works. I have before. And I dont think is benefical for town to act like “crazy lady” If you think DP is town because “he called me town for the right reasons” then… And you sound sure I havent. I suck as town, I am good scum. And to be fair, those are inherently linked. Think of for example Vivax this game. Let's assume he's mafia and got himself elected mayor on a fake claim. The ONLY reason he can do that is because town collectively agrees he can be bad as town. It's ALWAYS bad as town to claim anything on day 1. But because we know Vivax can be bad as town, we are completely unable to hold him to the standard, so he can get away with this kinda stuff. If someone that is consistently good as town tried what Vivax did tried the same thing, I'd be screaming for a lynch. Anyway, that's enough mafia theorycrafting. Need to focus on game.
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