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let me phrase that better, early day vig shots, on day 1 and 2.
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On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:07 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:06 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:05 Koshi wrote:
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I disagree for what it is worth.
The guy who gets lynched as blue regulary now claims it to be mayor.
Press x for doubt He didn't have any real pressure on him though Does this not strengthen Koshi's point? No how so. Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax? This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor. If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor. Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection.It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain.
If there is a roleblocker, which it seems you are pretty sure there is.
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Hey guys, I am a blue role, mayor me!
I couldnt use my ability day 1 
couldnt use my ability day 2
Hey we got the blocker! I can protect role block someone :D oh no I picked the wrong target sorry guys
Oh no, I picked wrong target again
What you did, doesnt help vivax.
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On March 05 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. Second wagon is often a townie as well. Mafia waits till town suggest a second town wagon and then sits on those 2 wagons. Then town vigis or kills second wagon as is tradition. I still think it is protown to want to give town 2 lynches, as it always provides information. But don't use the wrong reasons.
In your wisdom, what Vivax did is good or bad?
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On March 05 2024 04:42 sandroba wrote:
Why are you trying to keep this useless trash nai discussion going CopCake?
He could do that as mafia. Specially if he is the Goon.
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On March 05 2024 04:44 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:36 CopCake wrote:Hey guys, I am a blue role, mayor me! I couldnt use my ability day 1 couldnt use my ability day 2 Hey we got the blocker! I can protect role block someone :D oh no I picked the wrong target sorry guys Oh no, I picked wrong target again What you did, doesnt help vivax. Mayor isn't mafia. Vig can't kill me. You get a conftown. Roleblocker only on me. By the time mafia have one KP I'm still alive. Y'all just toxic tbh
You also get a kill, and it seems you are pretty sure how to use it and with who.
I dont like it, sorry.
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Like, from a tracker and a watcher I understand.
But a blocker/doctor, smh.
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On March 05 2024 04:49 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:30 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:27 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 04:20 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:07 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:06 iamperfection wrote:
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He didn't have any real pressure on him though Does this not strengthen Koshi's point? No how so. Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax? This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor. If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor. Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Thank you, at least someone gets it. How is this useful on the first day, tho? I can understand third day but first? Town loses everything, and an important role, I dont want to sound mean but you fucked up in such a way that there are no words and I didnt find it funny. Like I am TOTALLY opposed of a mayor wanting to kill, like that is stupid, no matter how "capable" the player is, how "blue" is. It is a shot in the dark pretty much, and that helps mafia. If there is a mayor, and the mayor kills on first and second day, I will pretty much never consider that person town. Unless a rolecop have a check or something mechanical supports a person is mafia. Why wouldn't a mayor not just treat it as a vig shot I don't understand? I think day vig shots are stupid, there is more chance of hiting town than mafia. Day vig is a really strong town role lmao what kinda take is this??
I have seen this developing very bad, town killing town with guns.
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On March 05 2024 04:51 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:50 CopCake wrote:
Like, from a tracker and a watcher I understand.
But a blocker/doctor, smh.
Then why don't you want to make slam mayor?
I dont think his claim was serious
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On March 04 2024 14:55 ToTheStars wrote:
I also have a weak townlean on DP and Vivax
You guys are so slow with your day starts though, how can you make 0 votes in first 3 pages.
On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
You are very confident you are going to survive late.
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On March 05 2024 05:14 die_meatbaby wrote:
@copcake my tea is getting cold and I ate already a lot of the hand baked biscuits.I am waiting for you to tell me the real tea about you that I should know. I hope I didn't bake this exquisite pastry for the wrong person.
I consider your beloved Duke smart, and also, insane enough to pull the "I am going to claim JK" as mafia. It is a hard, hard thing to do, but he is absolutely capable, specially if he has a good team to back him.
I will invite you to make an exercise, take all the time you need to answer.
Forget that it is vivax who claimed, just that X person claimed JK in this game.
What are the benefits he wins doing this as town and benefits he wins by doing this as mafia?
Do not let your emotions for vivax to blurry this exercise, just a cold head, thinking of scenarios.
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On March 05 2024 05:27 DarthPunk wrote:
I tend to like the town circle for now.
The only one I’m really afraid of being mafia in that lot is Rayn
I think mz looked wayyyy better recently so I’m moving him to town for now.
Cake still looks bad.
Koshi looks townie to me. He has that level of arrogance that I felt was missing in his mafia game. I also sensed he was genuinely butthurt at not being in the town circle which I found hilarious but also townie.
Rels makes sense, he is wayyyy less aggressive than I remember but that is old old meta.
You have a lot to learnnnnnnnnn
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On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:
[quote]May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all.
I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly.
Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing?
Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team.
If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players.
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On March 05 2024 05:32 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:18 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:14 die_meatbaby wrote:
@copcake my tea is getting cold and I ate already a lot of the hand baked biscuits.I am waiting for you to tell me the real tea about you that I should know. I hope I didn't bake this exquisite pastry for the wrong person. I consider your beloved Duke smart, and also, insane enough to pull the "I am going to claim JK" as mafia. It is a hard, hard thing to do, but he is absolutely capable, specially if he has a good team to back him. I will invite you to make an exercise, take all the time you need to answer. Forget that it is vivax who claimed, just that X person claimed JK in this game. What are the benefits he wins doing this as town and benefits he wins by doing this as mafia? Do not let your emotions for vivax to blurry this exercise, just a cold head, thinking of scenarios. Thank you for this honorable invitation. It would be a pleasure to do some relaxation exercises with you. How about puppy and wine yoga? I understand that a horribole red colerd person could to that to our lovley Town but I could not see Vivax doeing that, because this is not how this duke treats our city. He would not be able to do such a terrible thing in such bad times as these.But you have to understand that even if he hasn't been to the doctor, he still shows a healthy kind of paranoia through this action. That only makes him even more sympathetic to our city I don't want to blame you or scare you, but what good things you have done for our divine city. I didn't even get a hand-knitted jacket, even though everyone knows how good you are with red wool
The fact that red looks fantastic of me gives me a better perspective of how other people would look with the same color. As I said before, it suits me, and I love it.
I can think of many scenarios of how a play like that is more beneficial for mafia than town, but that is my perspective (which can be wrong, I am not closed), still what the duke did is quite stupid if town. You cannot deny that.
And I think it is quite a town trait to share all the probabilities, and do not keep them to myself.
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On March 05 2024 05:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players. I can add a third, I thought those Trfel posts were bad too. If I remember right, it was his first posts too, it looked like scum hiding between technicality/setup discussion to participate. I liked his posts going forward though, I think he's town now
This is good 
I remember Tfrel apologizing a lot and saying "I am sorry" many times when he is town.
I was trying to look for a scum game of him here but I couldnt, would be helpful if someone can link me.
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On March 05 2024 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:41 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:35 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:
[quote]I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players. I can add a third, I thought those Trfel posts were bad too. If I remember right, it was his first posts too, it looked like scum hiding between technicality/setup discussion to participate. I liked his posts going forward though, I think he's town now This is good I remember Tfrel apologizing a lot and saying "I am sorry" many times when he is town. I was trying to look for a scum game of him here but I couldnt, would be helpful if someone can link me. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/390080-tl-mafia-database#2find Trfel there.
A game from 2016 is useless
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On March 05 2024 05:47 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:38 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:32 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 05:18 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:14 die_meatbaby wrote:
@copcake my tea is getting cold and I ate already a lot of the hand baked biscuits.I am waiting for you to tell me the real tea about you that I should know. I hope I didn't bake this exquisite pastry for the wrong person. I consider your beloved Duke smart, and also, insane enough to pull the "I am going to claim JK" as mafia. It is a hard, hard thing to do, but he is absolutely capable, specially if he has a good team to back him. I will invite you to make an exercise, take all the time you need to answer. Forget that it is vivax who claimed, just that X person claimed JK in this game. What are the benefits he wins doing this as town and benefits he wins by doing this as mafia? Do not let your emotions for vivax to blurry this exercise, just a cold head, thinking of scenarios. Thank you for this honorable invitation. It would be a pleasure to do some relaxation exercises with you. How about puppy and wine yoga? I understand that a horribole red colerd person could to that to our lovley Town but I could not see Vivax doeing that, because this is not how this duke treats our city. He would not be able to do such a terrible thing in such bad times as these.But you have to understand that even if he hasn't been to the doctor, he still shows a healthy kind of paranoia through this action. That only makes him even more sympathetic to our city I don't want to blame you or scare you, but what good things you have done for our divine city. I didn't even get a hand-knitted jacket, even though everyone knows how good you are with red wool The fact that red looks fantastic of me gives me a better perspective of how other people would look with the same color. As I said before, it suits me, and I love it. I can think of many scenarios of how a play like that is more beneficial for mafia than town, but that is my perspective (which can be wrong, I am not closed), still what the duke did is quite stupid if town. You cannot deny that. And I think it is quite a town trait to share all the probabilities, and do not keep them to myself. You already said it. It is too stupid to that as mafia. We would reread our letter before giving it to the pigeon to show the world our words. Looked too conspicuous to let it see some other trusted members. As a good duke without a guilty conscience you don´t fear looking bad because you know you aren´t even if he claimed wrong he is still a better citizen of this city than most of the other inhabitants
I understand your point of view, but consider also mine. It was stupid, so stupid that is perfect as mafia.
Who is stupid enough to do that as mafia?
It is just a small chance.
Tiny.
This concept shouldnt make me mafia. But Marv is right, was it he or iamp? talking too much about it is not helpful, is like going in circles.
What do you think of my ToThe Stars note?
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