A Classy Game of Mafia - Page 31

On March 13 2024 21:23 Palmar wrote:

I really like this post by the way.

On March 13 2024 21:41 Palmar wrote:

It's very complicated. And I want to preface by saying I kind want to go read his filter. This is all written from memory and subject to change.

I'll talk through some of it.

First of all, I have a mental expectation of Koshi that may or may not be wrong. We all build these models of players we've played with repeatedly and then try to compare them to our mental model.

Here are the things that really fit my model of what Koshi is like:

- He makes a lot of sense when thinking objectively about the game and how it should be played. I particularly noted that he was one of the few people I completely agreed with how to deal with Vivax' claim on day 1. It annoyed me that the mason triangle disagreed with the view that Koshi and I had.

- He makes a lot of overconfident reads and does it in an abrasive manner. He is active in the thread and seems to be anticipating interactions, like today he is actively waiting for me to come back.

Here are the things that don't fit with my model:

- He was way too quick to dismiss his own scumread on me. Part of the model we build about people is how they interact with ourselves. In my model Koshi basically calls me mafia every game regardless of alignment and wants me dead so bad all the time. It's almost unfair to assume he should be wrong about me. This point is slightly important because I have objectively not played all that well this game, especially if jat not mafia.

I have listened too much to Koshi this game. I felt like he had thread presence where I lacked it so I've kinda deferred to him. This was especially noticeable on day 1 where I kinda dropped my Oats thing because of his towncase and day 2 where despite writing with every post I made that we needed to lynch Oats, I let my annoyance of VE and Oats legendary defense convinvce me to just go fuck it and vote VE. That was a stupid decision.

So what about the things he says?

I honestly don't know. Koshi is really good at making sense as mafia, and because of the way he approaches the game it's difficult to catch him on the content. Like there is a case to be made that his Oats towncase could make him lock town, or we should lynch him for it as mafia.

He has, at times, been advocating for keeping morale up in the thread, which is a townie thing to do.

He made another towncase, this time on CC. I am not nearly as convinced that CC is town as Koshi, in fact I think she is one of the more likely people to flip mafia, mostly because I start liking other people more.

I don't think Koshi can be answered today, and I don't think he needs to be answered today. My opinion is that we should be exclusively looking at the people that are most likely to flip mafia, and despite some concern, I don't think Koshi is there.

Oh btw, he did at some point... maybe even twice.... traitor-bait.

On March 13 2024 21:49 Palmar wrote:
That is expected behavior. I don't think that makes him mafia, if anything it's a townie thing to do for him.

On March 13 2024 00:06 Koshi wrote:
Think I am ok with voting Palmar tomorrow. I dont know if he is mafia but the people I mafia read are town and my townreads mafia. So this is a fresh breath of air.

On March 13 2024 07:29 Koshi wrote:
I will be voting Palmar tomorrow. Day after that JAT.
I dont care about much more and will probably slow down posting.

Tomorrow I will read Rels.

I think that should be enough.

On March 13 2024 20:14 Koshi wrote:
I am so certain of both my reads and my cc townread that I would love to get all votes on CC on me.

Like if you think CC is mafia, or I am mafia with her, can you please vote me?

Because my flip will change this thread sentiment towards Palmar/JAT/DMB.

On March 13 2024 01:23 Koshi wrote:
I think a Palmar and Koshi wagon is fair tomorrow. In honor of VE.

On March 13 2024 21:57 Palmar wrote:

This is just standard Koshi blustering, why do you think it's relevant?

On March 13 2024 22:00 Palmar wrote:
By the way I feel like I've noticed you getting hung on weird stuff that is completely expected several times this game iamp.

The only reason I'm givivng you a tiny town read is that I think I'm sheeping marv.

On March 13 2024 22:11 Palmar wrote:

See this is the kinda shit that bothers me. Why wouldn't I sheep marv? He's a really, really good town player that I respect. What on earth is weird about that?

I'll do a highlight of other instances of you being weird:



For some reason iamp doesn't know why people write cases? Cases are there to convince other people of your existing conclusions... usually.



Iamp gets mad and claims to have lead the wagon on day 1? I don't remember it that way, but I didn't care much about the trfel wagon. Why do you care?



Iamp complains about me and rayn arguing with each other in the process of figuring out each other's alignment? Why not just let us hash it out?



Iamp for some reason doesn't know what a policy lynch is?

It's all strange and I don't really like it. Not even sure it makes him mafia, just annoying to deal with. I would need to dive into that filter of endless oneliners to actually reach a harder conclusion but it's whatever.

On March 13 2024 22:15 Palmar wrote:
I was perfectly fine with the little interaction between her and Vivax where they were worrying about axe murderers. They seemed to agree they're safe.

Keep thinking that...

On March 13 2024 22:16 Palmar wrote:


He said replying with a oneliner.

Hey I know I'm almost (but not quite) as bad as treating forum mafia as an IM tool.

And I do NOT deny not having read your filter. That's literally what I'm saying. I haven't read it so I'm relying on other people who called you town and deciding to worry about you later.

On March 13 2024 22:23 Palmar wrote:

Are you trolling me at this point?

On March 13 2024 22:02 Palmar wrote:

Because koshi does this kind of shit every game.

Did you read that part of my mental image of him is the "abrasive overconfident" way he does things? This is EXACTLY that.

It's just his way of saying he wants to lynch me.

On March 13 2024 22:39 Koshi wrote:

Yes. But do you see?

On March 13 2024 23:58 Jealous wrote:

Please stop the misrep, it's getting embarrassing.

You've been reading this game wrong since Day 1, maybe it's time to start questioning your world view. For example:


You never answered (why?), but you do see how stupid this narrative was, right? To your slight credit you at least ended up on CopCake instead of VE, but the fact remains that immediately after you nearly achieved a ML on VE over a redchecked Oats on D2 you were ready to do it again D3.

The great part of the above quote is that it serves as further evidence that I've consistently considered CopCake my top scum both before and after the redcheck, and since then (because I'm pushing back against your decision to lynch VE D3, just for clarity). Nothing about her play has significantly changed or changed my perspective on that - so why would I pivot off of it?

You misrep my case on CopCake because you simply don't bother to read my filter where I made several cases on her. In fact, you seem to have skipped my most recent post which conveniently outlined a summary of my previous points for you. Somehow this is now just an association vote. Fuck outta here with that.

Go ahead and tunnel on me, I'm not going to bother defending myself further against a person who misreps me after refusing to read my filter.

On March 13 2024 23:59 Koshi wrote:

The bolded is something that I call disengaging. Shows you dont really want to talk to this person.

Another thing that I notice is that Jealous asks at least 5 times after his read post on an opinion on JAT. Which is fucking weird.because JAT was a non factor this entire game.