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On March 12 2024 03:04 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 03:00 CopCake wrote:
Idk
Like confirmed mafia oats votes mafia JAT when his confirmed scumbuddy TTS is getting grilled.
Why risk losing Mafia JAT when Oats could have parked the vote on DMB or Tfrel?
To win town cred?
That's a more sensible point when you drop all the role nonsense. But it's hard to say maybe he saw that trfel was getting lynched no matter what so why not jump somewhere else to avoid the mislynch wagon mafia or not.
True, but makes even more sense with a TvT wagon situation.
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On March 12 2024 03:15 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 03:12 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2024 03:04 iamperfection wrote:On March 12 2024 03:00 CopCake wrote:
Idk
Like confirmed mafia oats votes mafia JAT when his confirmed scumbuddy TTS is getting grilled.
Why risk losing Mafia JAT when Oats could have parked the vote on DMB or Tfrel?
To win town cred?
That's a more sensible point when you drop all the role nonsense. But it's hard to say maybe he saw that trfel was getting lynched no matter what so why not jump somewhere else to avoid the mislynch wagon mafia or not. True, but makes even more sense with a TvT wagon situation. Well it makes sense both ways no? If he thinks trfel goes no matter what.
If he thinks so, yes. But at the time that was not obvious so I doubt he thought so.
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On March 12 2024 03:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like why would I have ever posted anything when this is what it gets? Literally ignored. I already fucking knew, I shouldn't have even tried. I'm fucking exhausted, work is going to be fucking awful tonight, but I tried. I'm a fucking idiot.
Chill if you are town, VE. I promise you I will read your posts from today first.
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On March 12 2024 03:33 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 03:29 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2024 03:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like why would I have ever posted anything when this is what it gets? Literally ignored. I already fucking knew, I shouldn't have even tried. I'm fucking exhausted, work is going to be fucking awful tonight, but I tried. I'm a fucking idiot. Chill if you are town, VE. I promise you I will read your posts from today first. Bullshit if you were you would now, fuck off
I am literally reading then currently.
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On March 11 2024 19:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
First up we have Koshi. At first I had a townread on him for his activity, in spite of saying dumb things like Oats is town. D2 he drops off considerably though, and reacts really strangely to the Oats check. Like, there's confirmation bias, and there's trying desperately to save a mafia teammate. I think we witnessed the second one on Koshi's D2. The smart play there is to lynch the check. Koshi is a smart player. That's what cops are for, to check people you think you trust to find out if you can or not. Not just that, but his TR wasn't even that strong on Oats D1, he kept saying he had to go "reread" Oats to "see if he locked in on someone" or some meta bullshit. He never did that, but continued to scream about not lynching him, the mafia Framer. In that light, the fact that he's both "too confused about the state of the game to make any real reads" and "So certain of our path forward that I don't even have to try anymore" rings massive alarm bells for me.
Verdict: Mafia Koshi
Next up is.....omg it's our esteemed mayor. Please let there be less than 20 pages.
On March 11 2024 21:03 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 20:44 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 19:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
First up we have Koshi. At first I had a townread on him for his activity, in spite of saying dumb things like Oats is town. D2 he drops off considerably though, and reacts really strangely to the Oats check. Like, there's confirmation bias, and there's trying desperately to save a mafia teammate. I think we witnessed the second one on Koshi's D2. The smart play there is to lynch the check. Koshi is a smart player. That's what cops are for, to check people you think you trust to find out if you can or not. Not just that, but his TR wasn't even that strong on Oats D1, he kept saying he had to go "reread" Oats to "see if he locked in on someone" or some meta bullshit. He never did that, but continued to scream about not lynching him, the mafia Framer. In that light, the fact that he's both "too confused about the state of the game to make any real reads" and "So certain of our path forward that I don't even have to try anymore" rings massive alarm bells for me.
Verdict: Mafia Koshi
Next up is.....omg it's our esteemed mayor. Please let there be less than 20 pages. Meh. So basically because I strongly believed Oats was town. Bit weak VE. Nah it's what i said - that you WEAKLY believed Oats was town, used some fake meta to back it up that you never checked, and pushed me as an alternative for no reason. As is written. You didn't strongly believe Oats was town, you even said at the TOP OF THE POST where you town case him "or at least shouldn't be lynched today/tomorrow" and then go on to say that half your points don't even make him town. As if you didn't know who the mayor might shoot in the night making UNMASKING YOU AS ONE OF THE TEN FOOLS!!! Anyway, I think you're mafia so I'm not trying to convince you - only answer your point in order to convince everyone else. I still think you're swell even if you are trying to make me lose.
These Koshi posts are okay I guess. But do you really think going against the lynch on the redcheck is the play here if Koshi is mafia? You said yourself that he is smart. So from your pov (if you are town) this is more or less outing yourself to save a redchecked player for a day. I mean in general I can see Koshi openly pushing mafia agenda but the way he did it would be quite ballsy.
I will ignore the Vivax post since townreading the unkillable JK mayor who is almost certainly town does not get you points in my book, sorry.
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On March 11 2024 20:52 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 20:12 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 06:47 Palmar wrote:
Btw the wagon on me is so bad.
marv is probably just mafia
jat has literally no reason to think I am, and is probably mafia anyway.
Trfel has literally no reason to think I am
Slam is slam
Koshi has thought I am mafia every game for 10+ years. I think he just enjoys murdering me.
The only standout is DP Wow, the wagon on me on day 1 was so pure :D Wasn't it just? Palmar is almost certainly mafia here. Marv thought so. Rayn thought so. They're both dead to night kills. Palmar as town reviles playing with me, so him wanting me more active in this game bodes poorly for all of you given I'm going out first. He doesn't have fun WITH me, he has fun USING me, and he's salty I haven't given him ammo to do so until now. He voted for me instead of Oats even though he had a town read on me and a scum read on Oats D1. Pretty damning in hindsight, considering Oats was red checked AND was the framer. His filter is all over the place as you'd expect, but there are some nuggets in there. There's this one post locking koshi as town for calling the framer town on D1. As if that's not something mafia are EXPECTED to do. I'm sure he has some reasonable sounding logic, like towncasing is as bad as mafcasing because it invites scrutiny regardless. But he conveniently refuses to factor in that A) it's Koshi and B) we're all big boys and girls and stuff here. There's also a tendency to do mafia-ish things in his posts that I probably just dislike in general...but he does stuff like subtly fearmonger and appeal to peoples' insecurities. I've seen him do it as town but it's his bread and butter as mafia. Palmar is probably Mafia Palmar, and frankly he's probably going to win. I'm actually stopping here for now guys, I have tabs open with MZ iamp and CopCake filters, I had intended to do them tonight - I had actually intended for these all to be in one post - but when I found 2 mafia in Koshi/Palmar I figured the last one can wait. Especially given one of those people is the counterwagon to me and at this point I actually just WANT CopCake to be mafia so I can say the mafia tried to lynch me all game and couldn't - so I'll probably start with CC tomorrow. I HOPE she's mafia but that would be maybe too easy from my perspective.
Marv did not in fact think Palmar is mafia. That is actually his saving grace in my eyes. Also it does not really matter what Palmar thought day1 when you look at his vote day2. Reads change and it is quite easy to follow in this case. Basically everyone was townreading Oats. Basically everyone was/is scumreading you. I also feel like he really did want to have fun with you (no matter his alignment) - his drunk outburst yesterday certainly seemed genuine in this regard.
So while I also really don't think Palmar has performed very well in this game if he is town, your reasoning does not convince me at all and obviously lacks knowledge that could easily be attained by just a short look into his filter. If Palmar is mafia then it is not for this. And unfortunately, I will have to begrudgingly accept that Palmar is more likely than not town. Since Marv said so. Even though he is being an unreasonable ass.
Also, the towncase by Koshi on Oats is just so random and unnecessary if they are buddies. It is certainly not a point against him.
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My conclusion is that this is still the correct lynch. VE just started playing today when his lynch seemed certain. You could ask would a mafia player be so obvious/honest about just trying to survive as he was but yes, I think VE would absolutely do that. He just gets lazy as mafia if my memory does not fail me.
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On March 12 2024 03:54 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 03:50 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 12 2024 03:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote VE I don´t know what do think about that. Would he vote himself out to give us a lesson about always reading his aligment wrong or does he give up and try to not give us any clues to his mates when he flip red. Let's hope the flipping thing. I just dont get why Palmar and I. We are pretty nullish but unlynchable I think.
When/if he dies and flips mafia he won't have told us anything at all.
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I mean I know VE can be a little overly dramatic as town but this martyring after he apparently could not even be bothered to read the filters of these 3 people very attentively seems very unwarranted. What do you expect after you openly said you would only do the bare minimum to get by? That's exactly what he did but you cannot be surprised if people lynch you for having an obviously scummy mindset.
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Just stay the course. I am pretty confident he is mafia.
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On March 12 2024 04:15 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 04:14 justanothertownie wrote:
Just stay the course. I am pretty confident he is mafia. That's reassuring
Brutal. Coming from the guy who thinks the dude who shot mafia is mafia.
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Yeah, Vivax. But not everyone is playing against his own wincon regularly 
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You are so self-centered it is actually amazing.
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On March 12 2024 02:41 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 02:33 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2024 02:28 Vivax wrote:On March 12 2024 02:26 CopCake wrote:
I honestly do not understand?
Does it look like Oats switched to JAT because he was scumreading JAT? Oats was mafia. He was not reading anyone anything. And no, he never even gave a reasoning to scumread me. Usually if people bus they add good reasons to look better afterwards and finding reasons to scum read your partners is always easy. They don't just throw their vote on there. It'd help if it was visible what your current opinion of VE, Copcake, MZ is.
I still don't think CC looks that scummy. For sure never a better lynch than VE today.
What I don't like about her play is how much she hides behind setup & role discussions. That's certainly an argument I can see being used against her. I also disagree with her conclusion that there have to be many townies in the possible pool of vig shots target for dp.
Apart from that I think most of what she did is perfectly ok. But I might also be biased since she seems to be my only friend in this town. Would be depressing if she is mafia. I do not have any meta on her and I don't feel like reading even more stuff than this huge thread and its filters though.
MZ I thought was quite scummy earlier - I laid out why before. I have to admit that he put in some serious effort recently though. I disagree with 90 % of what he says or concludes but that does not make him mafia necessarily. Will not lynch over VE. I think VEs alignment is also quite important regarding the way MZ acted around the Oats lynch. So, will be reevaluated night 3.
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On March 12 2024 05:10 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 05:09 Palmar wrote:On March 12 2024 04:53 iamperfection wrote:
See even if palmar is mafia at least he plays to win. You see what some of you have driven me to. I just complimented palamr. I will not forget this injustice. Like this is out of game stuff, but I really, really believe in game integrity, and always have. This game is fun because we make it fun. Sometimes it's hard to motivate yourself to go get shit done, but people have to remember it's not about them. It's about making sure everyone else is having a real game to play. I do the same
Same. It is why I try when I roll mafia (although I hate playing scum) even though it makes it so noone is ever willing to townread me anymore when I am town.
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On March 12 2024 05:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Can anyone explain why scum ve that is barely trying would filter dive people to form actual reads?
You call that filter diving? Did you read the posts?
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Also, maybe to not get lynched?
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On March 12 2024 05:37 DarthPunk wrote:
Can anyone explain why you are all voting against the confirmed town in jsl and myself?
Why shouldn't we?
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On March 12 2024 05:44 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 05:42 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2024 05:37 DarthPunk wrote:
Can anyone explain why you are all voting against the confirmed town in jsl and myself? Why shouldn't we? Not smart 🚩
Maybe we are listening to "confirmed town" Vivax?
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On March 12 2024 05:48 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 05:45 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2024 05:44 DarthPunk wrote:On March 12 2024 05:42 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2024 05:37 DarthPunk wrote:
Can anyone explain why you are all voting against the confirmed town in jsl and myself? Why shouldn't we? Not smart 🚩 Maybe we are listening to "confirmed town" Vivax? Just think about that for a second.
:D just saw he is voting MZ anyways
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