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On March 11 2024 13:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Koshi I know you accepted my defense of DMB but I am once again asking you to reread cake please. @Koshi | ||
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This game is going to be extremely hard if townies are gonna self-vote, I feel like that's playing against your wincon. I absolutely hate martyring so pointlessly. I think that was still 100% the right lynch. And now we're gonna have to solve the copcake problem since she did exactly the same thing. She voted herself and peaced out when the vote was 7-4 with VE in the lead. Her vote made it 6-5, still with VE in the lead. She showed no problems with leaving her vote on randos the previous two days, and if she was scum, she had a safe place to park her vote on VE or a rando as nobody would have scumread her any harder than they already were for voting to save herself. Now granted, she didn't hammer herself, the closest she ever got was 7-6 against her 2 hours later. So, did town!cake just rage quit in the exact same manner that VE did? Or did scum!cake take a gamble, not realizing how close it was going to get? If it's the second option, Rel's desperation to save her pretty much guarantees him as scum in my eyes, but I still don't know if I can wrap my head around scum!cake doing that because the vote is so close I'd argue that's pretty close to intentionally throwing. Or maybe it's all #bigplays that I'm too stupid to understand. I have a decent amount of thread to fully catch up on after just skimming to get through it, I focused more on the voting thread to try and figure out wtf both VE and cake were doing. I'm not surprised to see there were more shenanigans by certain people. I will also have a go at reading VE's filter although idk if there's much of a point. | ||
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On March 07 2024 11:27 VisceraEyes wrote: Mafia inside Marv/Oats/Jake/Cake and mix in a couple of hiding lurkers. Dealers choice. I think the game ends in town victory, even if you lot lynch me tomorrow. I'm sorry I couldn't give this game the time it deserves, my weekend starts tomorrow so I'll at least fight my lynch if I live the night. Good luck urybody. His early reads He scumreads Koshi and townreads the mayor and scumreads palmar Says he would have read iamp, me, and copcake but stopped bc he found scum...... But he does say he's gonna push copcake hard and hopes she's scum Instead he votes palmar and then himself Gets pissed off and leaves. I honestly don't if there's anything worth taking away here, he said he scumread cake but obviously not hard enough to save himself. I think that's what irritates me the most. Like he was scumreading the other wagon but self voted when people didn't jump at Palmar, I think that's playing against your wincon. Cake at least said she was townreading VE and refused to vote for him. There's not much else in there, if anyone else wants to check it out be my guest but I feel like at this point we all should have read his filter at least twice. | ||
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The suspicion on Palmar also reminds me, we never heard from a Mason the whole of D3 so I'm guessing scum got it and just didn't want to talk? | ||
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On March 13 2024 00:10 die_meatbaby wrote: Same reason here. He just give me Townreads because of MZ You get Townreads without any explanation from him. There are always reason why you Townread somebody. That hole Koshi thing in this game just feels like a bit lazy mafia... DmB I have a meta townread on you, I'm not going to argue against people who say you haven't done much to help out but I'm gonna tell them I think you're a mislynch waiting to happen. That's what Koshi felt about cake, and for what it's worth after the shenanigans of yesterday I actually kinda find myself agreeing with him. Sometimes to solve games like this, at some point you have to accept someone else's read is more correct on a person, I wouldn't call Koshi scum for TRing you based on my read, just expedient to try and narrow down the pool of people he has to analyze. If I'm wrong about you dmb and you win as scum, I'll take my ridicule post game. | ||
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On March 13 2024 00:37 die_meatbaby wrote: How would knowing who had the mason chat helping us do find scum? It is random could be T chat with M or T with T or M with M... If you're town and you get whispered there's absolutely zero reason not to share with the town what happens in it. More information is always helpful. If you're a townie and you are the whisperer you should also share who you whispered and also why you did it. I whispered Palmar to try and solidify my reads of him. That didn't work out as planned but I still tried to share whatever info I got with the town. There is no reason not to share with the town and hiding information only serves to make both people look bad. | ||
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On March 13 2024 00:48 die_meatbaby wrote: As scum, I wouldn't question a townread about me, no matter who it was from, but as a town I have to. Especially when it comes from Koshi. Of the last 3 games, I didn't get a single townread from him, no matter what I was. OK that's fair, was he town or scum when he was calling you scum? Also I'm very sure I was part of a push to mislynch you in your first game and now I'm townreading you for very similar play, Koshi could be willing to listen to me because he's also learned your meta a bit. I think that's all I'll say on this for now, I don't wanna put words in Koshi's mouth and it's definitely your right to be suspicious of him. | ||
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This is a great catch On March 13 2024 06:44 iamperfection wrote: Meapak have you come to a conclusion on palmar? I’ll do that after I finish catching up, sorry been swamped. On March 13 2024 07:04 JacobStrangelove wrote: Damn so you start looking into your reads and suddenly they're town can't find anything because maybe you're mafia? Also Koshi's more than happy making complete 180 on various people without much backing it up and without using mason chat is mad sus ngl. Wonder if they're getting on a potential Palmer bus early. To be clear, you’re looking at a scum read of both Palmar and Koshi? Do you really think scum would be bussing Palmar already? On March 13 2024 07:36 Koshi wrote: If I would have masoned anybody. I would have masoned MZ and try to work the game out with him and see what would have happened. But I simply cba to do outside stuff and only really considered it today and somewhere once during the 48 day phase. Believe it or not. Wish you had On March 13 2024 08:04 iamperfection wrote: If cop is town rels has to be town I would think right? Such an uncessary play if otherwise? I am tryinig to work through the logic of Rels doing what he did as either alignment, it does draw so much attention to yourself. Especially since I thought about the game/stuff from D3’s lynch a fair bit while I was at work, I think I’m becoming more convinced she’s town again. But I don’t want to clear Rels just based off that. On March 13 2024 08:32 justanothertownie wrote: For the record - I think we should look into this pool for lynch tomorrow (no particular order): CC MZ DMB + potentially Koshi (he fell off pretty badly since day1, maybe scum Koshi running out of juice? Could & should easily turn up the heat if he is town so some pressure here could be worth it) I am not feeling the Palmar lynch/I don't think he is mafia. This list is terrible and not just for the OMGUS factor, these people are lynchbait at this point and the fact that you are using this to defend Palmar is pinging me immediately. Also I very much disagree with the characterization of Koshi’s play. On March 13 2024 09:06 JacobStrangelove wrote: I mean my two big cases this game have been Koshi and palmer and I think they're together if so Ok this is the second post you’ve made about this, I’ll be really interested to chat about this turbo bus theory. On March 13 2024 09:11 iamperfection wrote: If i understand the game correctly mafia have to RB vivax and shoot either DP or Jacob. If something other then that happens reassess. If i die really reassess. My updated what i think posting now as i have to do something and might not be back before deadline so just in case a weird kill happens. Iamperfection innocent child. More townie then even those confirmed by mechanics JacobStrangelove Only way to be scum would be if he and DP were scum together which I consider to be almost impossible. DarthPunk He is town. Way too invested. The shoot mafia partner theory I put at less then .02 % Vivax He town. His insane muck up the thread that nobody with half a brain on mafia team would buy just posting too much no reason to doubt the claim. die_meatbaby - I think there are just some posts that show a tiny bit of critical thinking. Don’t think they would be capable of that as mafia. justanothertownie- Eh hard to say has some overly deffensive posts which suggest a scum mindset. Post #5588 stands out to me as being overly deffensive. Post 5525 is a list post which reaches no conclusion so not sure why it would be posted. Possible scum but i dont feel that strong about it. More recently had some posts where he was trying to figure stuff out I guess. Don’t feel too strong here. Meapak_Ziphh- I guess its possible to be scum but i dont know i think i can understand his posting especially at the time of the lynch in what he was doing. Also remembered the cake thing when i asked. Also some aggresiveness in his posting Rels- I kind of like the callout of jealous he had recently and also his analysis of what happened with DMB right at the deadline so possibly town. If cop is mafia ballsy play and if town seems unnecessary to me. i think possibly town. Jealous- I had a weird feels ever since he returned to the game. I thought his posting right after the flip was weird he goes I hate you all then extends an olive branch? I feel like I cant read this guy though. CopCake Koshi - The way he handled the whisperer is so bizarre to me. What rayn did is what i expect a town member to do. his posting recently seems depressed which I don’t understand why. The recent the lynch tomorrow is koshi or palmar almost feels like a play to me. I haven't really felt koshis presence this game. Palmar I really think marv is being clouded by meta here. His posts don’t make sense to me and he doesn’t appear to be scum hunting. Tunneled Rayn for no reason despite rayn being obvious town imo and ignored any evidence. Has no time but was able to waste time making a fake case on dead rayn. Calls me mafia devoid of any reasoning. I don’t buy the drunk posting either. I don’t see scum hunting I see mafia. I feel like if you look at his town games he tends to more aggressive with people and confrontational. Jacob has some great points some better then others especially palmar voting for ve over oats especially when palmar has been lecturing about proper ways to play. I also think he somewhat broke the veil when we had our bromance moment about playing to win. Both Koshi and palmar have the thoughts this game is now a new mini almost feels like the pep talk they gave themselves after losing two mafia in the same cycle. So you’ve got the same bus theory that JSL has? I think you’re probably wrong about CC but your jrealous bit is making me want to reread him when I’m done catching up On March 13 2024 10:03 Rels wrote: I wonder. Now that VE flipped ]scum, her insistence on calling VE town looks like TMI to me If CopCake is scum, then DMB has to be town too. That's the 2 players she's treated as confirmed town throughout the last day Flipped scum? Weird mistake there. You went really hard in the paint to save her yesterday and all these posts of hers were out there in the open, sure VE’s alignment was not yet known, but why put herself in danger to save a townie? The more I think about her play from yesterday the more I think she’s town (despite hating the way she played). This is a weak angle and it’s made even worse by the fact that you were responsible for saving her. @Rels regarding my case on you, honestly dude, yes I missed the 2 two line posts you made suddenly clearing Palmar for dumbtelling. Your other two posts were asking Marv about it and simply saying “I don’t think it does.” I apologize for missing this as I was on like hour 9 of reading the thread that day. It was easy to miss amongst post #2451, #2462, #2474, #2479, #2508, #2546, #2583, #2586, #3733, #3795 #3961, #4182, #4697. I almost think it’s worse now that after all that pressure, you clear him for a “dumbtell” And now this is your response to all the pressure in the thread on Palmar currently: On March 13 2024 10:29 Rels wrote: Meh Despite all the good arguments, I really don't think Palmar dumbtells twice in the same post Maybe that's stupid and I'll look stupid, but that's too much On March 13 2024 10:36 Rels wrote: Kind of lost I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario You. Voted. To. Save. Copcake. Wtf You literally said: On March 12 2024 10:43 Rels wrote: I think CopCake is town Ok I’m on 364, gonna post this now so it’s not one massive all of text and I need to take a quick break so this doesn’t become another Rels analysis since I just spent like half an hour in his filter. | ||
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On March 13 2024 11:17 DarthPunk wrote: I tend to Think that on a surface level shooting Jake over me implicates palmar and reduces the chance that cake is town. You can wifom that either way though. But the shot being jsl makes me think that scum want us to be thinking in this way. The fast votes on cake which people are likely to think I will support is giving me pause tbh. How on earth does it reduce the chance cake is town? This is mayor levels of bad WIFOM On March 13 2024 11:27 Rels wrote: I'm not. CopCake is definitely not conf scum the way I thought VE was yesterday. But yeah, she's my strongest scumread I’m at loss for words On March 13 2024 11:35 Rels wrote: If CC is town, I think I can make the case that I'm confirmed town by anyone that knows perfectly how I work as scum IE only me probably lol. But I can probably back it up with screenshots with some past scum chat if it comes to that VE in the game is always a free mislynch. No way he survives until the end of the game. He can and should be kept alive for as long as possible, it's impossible that he's not lynched at some point. CopCake is far from that. As scum, in the position of yesterday, I would never push for a VE lynch. CC being lynched was a way better scenario Little TMI on her flip methinks? And that second paragraph is just massive WIFOM. Rel’s flip from literally calling CC town yesterday to immediately trying to lynch her today is unbelievable and reinforcing my opinion she is town. Ok I'm caught up, I'll tackle that reread of Palmar now. | ||
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On March 09 2024 07:01 Palmar wrote: God I'm so lazy and bad at this game. This sums up my read of Palmar tonight. On March 06 2024 06:54 Palmar wrote: As for other people. I stand by the sandroba townread, koshi is probably town too. I like Oats a lot more now for actually making sense. I also like JSL and Vivax. I'd need VE to actually step up some again, same with Trfel. I had some reads on both but they're weak. DMB is also a weak maybe townread. iamperfection is making sense, but the guy is smart enough to make sense when there is no pressure on him as either alignment. DP is a little more wildcardy to me this game, I haven't always agreed with his takes. TTS, JEalous, Hapa just need to be policied out. I've not read or even noticed Rels at all which is a bad omen. rayn is weird to me. I'm again getting the feeling that he's just posting a lot and saying very little, also I really, really don't like that he's not pressuring marv at all in the mason QT it seems. Idk about CopCake, nothjin one way or the other. MZ looks kinda bad, but it's very weak as I haven't really read him. MZ bad but haven’t read him On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote: I'm finalizing here. I like a bunch of mafia in: rayn jat rels mz tts then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy vivax trfel hapa then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve iamp marv jealous copcake slam ve and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town sandro oats dp dmb jls koshi None of the lists are in any particular order I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever. I’m in his mafia category On March 09 2024 07:11 Palmar wrote: Essentially it comes down to: I really need to filter dive CopCake, DMB, MZ, Rels and JSL because there's like 3 mafia in there. One is probably either Oats or Slam, unless we're just the unluckiest town in the world. Also if Slam and Vivax are genuinely town and both claimed on day 1, we deserve to lose. There's gonna be a hidden mafia there somewhere. MZ in the Mafia but have to filter dive category On March 09 2024 07:30 Palmar wrote: MZ doesn't look great in our topic. But to be fair, neither do I cause I don't talk to him. More MZ not great On March 10 2024 20:21 Palmar wrote: There is 3 mafia in mz/rels/jat/iamp/ve MZ again On March 10 2024 20:56 Palmar wrote: I actually think we should be lynching MZ as an alternative Lynch MZ On March 11 2024 19:22 Palmar wrote: Lol this doesn't matter for now. To put the game in perspective, we're basically in a normal 13 player game of town vs mafia. 10 town, 3 mafia. But we have two VERY likely "blue checks" (you and DP). We also have like 200 pages of bullshit that can be parsed. We're in a great position. We can mislynch 3 times and still be in the game. The current state of the game demands simple playing. We're not in lylo, we're not even close to lylo. We should not be tinfoiling for hidden mafia. We need to be killing the people who have stereotypical scum characteristics, and first and foremost amongst them is VE. He is not interested in the game, isn't helping to solve it, seems to not be enjoying playing etc. Consider it a pseudo policy lynch, which is almost always a good idea in day 1 on a normal game. I can't stress enough how important it's to just keep a happy disposition. We're in a stronger than expected position. There is no need to panic, just calmly keep analyzing the game. The one weakness of the game is that very little information can be gained from the last 2 days because they have been semi-default lynches. Which is another reason why resolving VE is great for the state of the game. I'll happily reconsider if VE starts looking supertown. Also to answer your question... MZ and JAT? MZ with a big old question mark On March 12 2024 00:54 Palmar wrote: By the way I think CC should not be lynched and have a slight townread. I understand the waffling and self-doubt and giving up can be faked, but it still is more likely to come from town than scum. I also think dmb sounds a lot more reasonable this game than last game. For one reason or another, I'm not really considering the following people right now: dp jls koshi cc dmb vivax Then there's like two people I just need to actually get off my ass and read jealous iamp rels and then there's the people I actively think could be mafia jat mz ve Remember, to me I'm really thinking about the game as a "day 1" situation where we have plenty of time and mislynches left. I am not really questioning weaker townreads and tinfoil theories at the moment, there is no need to. Oh boy guess who’s scum again On March 12 2024 23:39 Palmar wrote: Still don't like MZ, but again, it's just preliminary filtering, not a full read. I have been Palmar’s main scumread most of the game and he has done literally nothing about it. Every single time he calls me scum, he caveats his read so that while I’m his number one choice, he’s always got a reason why he’s not sure, maybe he just puts a question mark there or maybe it’s because he hasn’t read my filter, or maybe he needs to reread me. We're all busy but it's D3 and he's still using these excuses. He’s used every reason possible to not actually stand behind his scumread of me, push his scumread of me, or do anything but sheep along with whatever wagon that’s been convenient for the last 2 days. He is not actually serious about this read. It gets lost in the churn of the thread since he hasn’t been very active but it’s painfully clear when you read his filter. I think he keeps expecting to come back to the thread and for there to be a wagon on me that he can hop on and push but then have plausible deniability because he won't have been the primary push for me despite shading me the entire game. I think Palmar is scum with Rels, tbd who their teammate is at the moment. I have a part 2 of this analysis which is going to look at the connections between those two but that’s gonna have to wait bc its way past my bedtime and I have work tomorrow. | ||
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On March 14 2024 12:42 iamperfection wrote: I dont think dmb Palmar jat then maybe jealous/rels/meapak? Perfection on my read through last night I recall you were on board with Jacob's theory that Palmar/Rels were turbo busing, watching Rels suddenly drop his "palmar wouldn't dumbtell" bit and go hard after him these last few pages, do you think that's still a possibility? I'm ngl it's thrown me for a bit of a loop, I opened Rel's filter for a bit and then realized I didn't feel like doing that much reading tonight so I'm curious of your thoughts. | ||
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I pulled one of my mains on ARAM too fml | ||
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