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On March 11 2024 04:37 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 04:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:
marv would also always lynched VE over cc. I'm not arguing with you over VE, and I'm definitely not going to second guess myself again even though I think CC is also scum. We're essentially talking about where to go after today. Let's make a deal on Rels Jealous and jat?
Jealous town, gonna take a break and do Rels next.
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And Koshi I went into that filter dive with no idea where I'd end up. I tried my best to forget my TR I gave him earlier and just read it as objectively as possible given the flips we've seen.
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Rereading my own post and I'm realizing I highlighted his null read of VE as something to come back to but I don't remember seeing if Jealous ever did.
On March 11 2024 01:49 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 01:47 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 01:36 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 01:32 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 01:30 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 01:22 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 01:14 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 01:11 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 01:07 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 00:48 iamperfection wrote:
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Have you read old cop games? I've played with them once a long time ago. Why? so you dont want to look at past games or what? Don't really feel the need to in this case? Can you maybe tell me what you think I'd find there and what relevance it has in this context? That would save me a whole lot of time, and if you make a compelling argument, that would justify further time investment. I already got burned once by "looking into rayn x Palmar" as suggested by Vivax and wasting a whole lot of time for a whole lot of nothing. I was pondering something but when i look at it more in context i dont think its true so not worth sharing. This was a pretty rapid development from questioning me to saying it was for nothing. Humor me please, what were you trying to imply about their past games, even if it is not contextually relevant? Just so that we get something out of this line of discussion. they post less as mafia. but if you look at the recent mafia game its less posting then here but in context of the game it was one of the largest filters in the game. I mean, they also spend 5 posts at a time exploring the same topic, one sentence at a time, sometimes consecutively. So volume isn't a good metric for them in this game IMO. It's not like they've actually typed all that many words total; their filter is more than double mine by post volume, but in terms of word count, I'd reckon mine is bigger than theirs, for example. But, no matter. I think they were active enough where their level of activity is NAI IMO. Compared to someone like TTS, VE, etc. so vote ve no? CopCake first, and if nothing drastic happens, I am fine with voting VE next cycle.
Ok this is fine and in line with his early reads list, he's just been very tunneled on Cop so I guess he hasn't read much beyond that.
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Actually, to wrap things up, Jealous could you give your complete updated list at this point?
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Vivax this DP push of yours is so bad that I'm borderline ready to withdraw my TR of you. This is very very reminiscent of the shit you pulled yesterday to try and get us off Oats, I'm not falling for that again.
On March 11 2024 00:03 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 13:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 10 2024 12:17 iamperfection wrote:On March 10 2024 12:16 Jealous wrote:
So just to be clear, Vivax JK's Slam, and slam dies anyway, but so does marv. That means that there were two shots on Slam, one to break JK and one to kill. I am a bit tipsy and I want to make sure I understand this correctly. or just a roleblock on vivax which i think is likely I agree this is most likely. ##Vote: CopCake/salute ##Vote: VE
On March 11 2024 01:15 Vivax wrote:
The VE wagon looks horrible lol
On March 11 2024 01:18 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 01:17 CopCake wrote:
Well Vivax is here so he can share of being with mafia copcake. I want to yeet VE first anyway. Iamp will probably rant our ears off about how it‘s bad but we are better than that.
Let's break it down:
On March 11 2024 07:25 Vivax wrote:
Copcake voting herself makes me think vengeful townie.
I also think she'd kill DP with it.
I mean, there's no reason here for mafia to kill a claimed cop over DP.
You start off strong with some NK WIFOM. Scum have shown over the last 2 nights they clearly do not believe/care about townie claims, they seemingly ignored Slam N1 and got burned, and they seemingly ignored DP N2 and got burned. Sitting here trying to start a case off what you think the scumteam would do is pretty rough.
On March 11 2024 08:05 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 08:02 Koshi wrote:
Copcake; my love, could you please not vote yourself?
This game is in the bag. There's one thing that makes me think DP is mafia and it's that in my last game as town, I asked him for advice what to do to get shot when I rolled veteran. He said: 'Claim another role' Now he claims veteran??? I think cop should claim vengeful townie if she is and shoot him so we have a guarantee it's real. That's the only way I'm willing to lynch her.
The amount of WIFOM DP dropped in the thread regarding his shot last night was fairly substantial, I personally don't believe he's actually a veteran but even if he is I don't think he should clarify that statement to make scum guess more.
I have no idea what you're trying to say with the bolded part, do you actually think she's a vengeful townie?
On March 11 2024 08:35 Vivax wrote:
It‘s also D3 and you‘re alive AND claimed vet to carry yourself further into the game.
I don‘t buy it.
More NK WIFOM, Koshi and Palmar are also alive
On March 11 2024 09:03 Vivax wrote:
At least 2-3 mafia would be sticking to Oats here even with VE town. (Or TMI?)
WIFOM
This is absolutely terrible from you Vivax, let's play a scenario where DP is scum, why does he shoot TTS? He could have easily shot any of VE/Cake/DMB/TTS/or even Palmar and probably been able to reason his way out of it. You trying to get off the VE lynch right now, after wanting to lynch him OVER A RED CHECK yesterday is horrible. Question for the thread, if you were scum, would you rather have Oats for another day or VE? Even if Oats gets lynched the following day, you'd make that trade every time (not to pull a Vivax and assume what scum are thinking). Much more plausible scenario, scum didn't give Slam credit for his claim and paid the price, scum also didn't give DP credit for his claim and paid the price. Also JSL is still alive so if you really wanna play NK WIFOM, scum haven't really cared about people considered "confirmed" town either.
You talked me into this shit yesterday Vivax, that ain't happening this time. You've been useless with your role so far that you used to strong arm us into giving you mayor. I was pissed yesterday for the Oats shenanigans but that's also my fault for going along with it. Not making that mistake again.
Between you, JSL, and DP you easily look the worst right now
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Koshi I am going to look at Rels now
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On March 11 2024 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:
What are you actually saying there MZ? are you calling vivax mafia?
Not right now because I haven't finished reading Rels, or JAT and I probably need to reread Palmar as well but he's been pushing anti town agendas for the last two cycles and been useless with his role so far so I'm getting suspicious of him.
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On March 11 2024 09:54 iamperfection wrote:
pretty sure he is calling him bad which i of course support in spirit but i thought a lot of the posts your referring too are trolling/joking. at least I thought they were.
I don't think he's joking, he even unvoted. He's still probably more bad than scum at the moment, it's just frustrating.
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On March 11 2024 09:56 Vivax wrote:
Koshi traitor.
VE, cop town ezpz
I feel like it's deja vu from yesterday.
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On March 11 2024 09:57 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 09:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:
What are you actually saying there MZ? are you calling vivax mafia? Not right now because I haven't finished reading Rels, or JAT and I probably need to reread Palmar as well but he's been pushing anti town agendas for the last two cycles and been useless with his role so far so I'm getting suspicious of him. But you will later? 
I don't think he can be by PoE if my current reads are correct, hence why I need to finish looking over some other people.
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On March 11 2024 09:59 Vivax wrote:
Mafia MZ lashes out in desperation at the unkillable protective mafia doesn't have the nuts to CC
Yes the useless protective who has done nothing but try to get us not to lynch a red check.
I'm gonna ignore Vivax from this point forward, hopefully we can win without needing him.
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On March 11 2024 10:01 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 10:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 09:59 Vivax wrote:
Mafia MZ lashes out in desperation at the unkillable protective mafia doesn't have the nuts to CC Yes the useless protective who has done nothing but try to get us not to lynch a red check. I'm gonna ignore Vivax from this point forward, hopefully we can win without needing him. MZ YOU REALISE YOU TRIED TO NOT LYNCH THE SAME RED CHECK RIGHT??!?!
Yes I am very aware and Vivax played a gigantic role in swaying my thoughts on that matter so I'm extra pissed he's doing it again.
Did you miss the part where he wanted to lynch you and now he wants to lynch me? He's just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks at this point, I can't help but view that as anti-town.
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Thoughts on Rels:
On March 05 2024 03:17 Rels wrote:Voting ToTheStars, mainly for his last post. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads. I hate the last paragraph in particular. So much words to justify this weak vote. It looks like he's afraid to do something that might be suspicious and is asking permission The rest of his filter is also nothing
Ok good start here, him calling out hesitancy is good.
On March 05 2024 04:42 Rels wrote:
BTW I also think Vivax' claim was kind of stupid, but now that it's done, he 100% should be the mayor
Vivax dumb but should be mayor, pretty common sentiment.
On March 05 2024 04:52 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:44 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:43 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote:
Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him What post? His running for mayor post Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord. Meh, I don't really see it. Not that I think it's townie, but I don't see the insecurity?
Defends VE against Iamp, interesting that he’s saying he doesn’t see the insecurity in VE while he does see the hesitancy in TTS.
On March 05 2024 05:06 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:54 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:53 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:52 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:44 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:43 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote:
Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him What post? His running for mayor post On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord. Meh, I don't really see it. Not that I think it's townie, but I don't see the insecurity? insincerity As in he isn't really running for mayor So the fact that he hasn't posted since his first spray of post? It makes him a lurker but I don't understand why it makes him scum
Another defense of VE
He actually goes back and forth with sandroba and rayn here a bit on VE, the strangest part for me is that he doesn’t want to straight up townread VE, he just “doesn’t understand why VE is scum”
He says DMB is the second worse filter after TTS.
On March 05 2024 05:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players. I can add a third, I thought those Trfel posts were bad too. If I remember right, it was his first posts too, it looked like scum hiding between technicality/setup discussion to participate. I liked his posts going forward though, I think he's town now
So Trfel’s initial posts were scummy but now he’s town. It will be interesting to see where Rel’s vote ends up.
Calls Koshi very townie
On March 05 2024 12:20 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:29 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 05 2024 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So VE posted a bunch of nothing... What are you expecting rayn? I think most everyone who's posted looks good, most everyone who hasn't looks bad, and you know who I'd kill as mayor, but not who I'd vote to lynch. I'm not going to try and push a lurker lynch because that's fucking stupid as fuck, so I'm going to wait and see what lynch targets emerge. Right now I'm one of them, and I know I'm town, so if it comes to it I'd probably lynch the other guy but otherwise, I'll vote who I think looks worse of the candidates D1. ERMAGERD AND YOU NEEDED ALL THAT SPELLED OUT RIGHT?! Rayn isn't usually this dense, must be mafia. SEE HAO FUCKING STUPID THAT SOUNDS RAYN!?!?!?? Not impressed at all by all those ve posts. He's probably not even in the bottom 5 activity wise then seem content to call himself a lurker with no opinion "I think most everyone who's posted looks good, most everyone who hasn't looks bad" really? I have a hard time believing this. Can you list who is in that "everyone who's posted looks good" category?
Starts to evolve towards a scumread on VE. This is a full 7 hours after the initial discussions he had with rayn and sandroba.
He then makes 3 posts in a row to call Palmar scum, I’m gonna hold judgement of this until I’ve reread Palmar as well.
On March 06 2024 08:24 Rels wrote:Same question for Trfel, any case? I liked what I saw from him at the beginning of the game
Still likes Trfel
On March 06 2024 09:02 Rels wrote:
Finished reading JAT's filter, DP anything what was the thing(s) you saw that was not smart? I thought it was pretty empty for sure, didn't see any red flag though.
No red flags on JAT. Finishes the day at Palmar JAT No Trfel
But his vote ends on JAT since nobody was on Palmar. At this point the vote was 8-5 for Trfel, only rayn was left on Palmar. I can’t really fault him for this because this was the same reason I ended up on JAT.
Next he calls cake really townie
Votes Oats
On March 07 2024 12:44 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 06:11 Koshi wrote:
Rels posts read uninterested. Good case from JAT on Rels. I can't believe everyone is saying that. It's one of the most garbage case I've ever read JAT looks pretty good for the rest of N1 though
Calls JAT’s case trash but then says JAT looks good for N1
After catching up with the thread he reinforces that JAT is town.
On March 07 2024 13:08 Rels wrote:VE is anyone person I hate. I agree with rayn, this post looks much more like a fake anger than a genuine one. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:29 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 05 2024 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So VE posted a bunch of nothing... What are you expecting rayn? I think most everyone who's posted looks good, most everyone who hasn't looks bad, and you know who I'd kill as mayor, but not who I'd vote to lynch. I'm not going to try and push a lurker lynch because that's fucking stupid as fuck, so I'm going to wait and see what lynch targets emerge. Right now I'm one of them, and I know I'm town, so if it comes to it I'd probably lynch the other guy but otherwise, I'll vote who I think looks worse of the candidates D1. ERMAGERD AND YOU NEEDED ALL THAT SPELLED OUT RIGHT?! Rayn isn't usually this dense, must be mafia. SEE HAO FUCKING STUPID THAT SOUNDS RAYN!?!?!?? The rest of his filter is a whole lot of nothing. LOL at this too  not strictly AI I don't think but it made me laugh Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 04:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
All right well, I guess I'll vote for Koshi as mayor since you guys are cowards and won't vote for me. Vivax claim makes him look super bad to me, pretty sure its NAI but I certainly don't believe the claim, he just wanted to be mayor. I don't think Vivax necessarily mafia, but I generally don't want him to be mayor either.
Koshi is calling for my head indirectly, but I think he town and I think he's a better mayor candidate generally speaking. Maybe posting this will put me at 4 pages and out of the range of his wrath. (makes 9 useless posts in 28 minutes) Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
And I'm officially at 4 pages. Good night sweet prince.
Suddenly Rels is agreeing with Rayn about VE’s tone. This is probably the biggest discrepancy in Rel’s filter so far and it’s especially suspect since he starts to come around after VE makes it abundantly clear he’s not going to be helping the town much this game. Several people had keyed in on this early but Rels did that weird soft defense thing where he refused to call VE town but called into question the people who were bringing up valid points.
TR’s Marv, DP, CC, Marv again (lol), Koshi, and probably me and JAT
Calls cake town again
Like Iamp’s post calling VE, TTS, and Palmar scum
Not a fan of DMB
Once again, scum team of Palmar, TTS, VE, Oats
Koshi supertown
On March 09 2024 12:34 Rels wrote:Happy about that one Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Does the rest of his play change anything? No, what do you think of him? I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better
Ok now we’re at a post I really hated and pinged me hard. After not really being around and contributing to the conversation about Oat, Rels jumps in a quotes himself to try and show he was scumreading Oats early, no townie feels the need to draw attention to this sort of thing, and if we look back through the rest of Rel’s regular scumreads, it’s only ever been Palmar and VE (after he evolved his read).
On March 09 2024 12:38 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 12:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 09 2024 12:34 Rels wrote:Happy about that one On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Does the rest of his play change anything? No, what do you think of him? I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better Yes yes RELS, I remember your early distancing from oats. Thanks for the reminder. LOL Please read me past scum games to see how I treat my teammates If TTS really is mafia, I had an awesome D1 for once
Maybe a little self congratulatory TMI here?
On March 09 2024 13:12 Rels wrote:
I'm happy that a scum flipped, and I'm fucking happy one of the first things I found in this game turned out to be right when nobody else saw it
Keeps scrambling for that town cred
On March 10 2024 12:43 Rels wrote:Also. I caught TTS D1 (yes I know, I must have been distancing ... lol)
Pat yourself on the back again.
So in my mind, scum has probably known VE is a lost cause since D2, hence why I still have suspicions about individuals who pushed for VE over Oats yesterday. With that said, the refusal to call VE town while weirdly defending him really sticks out to me in Rel’s filter, and then after it becomes clear lots of people are scumreading VE he jumps right in. He’s also got a lot of townreads which is easy for scum, he’s strangely single tracked on Palmar and VE being scum. Despite not listing TTS or Oats in any of his regular reads lists (he does include Oats in one after Oats got red checked lol), he’s more than happy to jump up and claim credit in the one or two posts where he mentions he finds them suspicious. Lastly, he’s been tunneling Palmar since D1, but today he’s just silently hopped on the VE wagon with not a peep about his biggest scum read… maybe he forgot about that because here:
On March 10 2024 09:46 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 23:31 marvellosity wrote:On March 09 2024 23:27 iamperfection wrote:On March 09 2024 23:24 marvellosity wrote:
This isn’t a democracy I'll give you one for sure then you give me one. TTS I think these people are town DP Vivax Jealous Palmar Cc Jsl Iamp Koshi Slam Poe is the rest. But tbh I would be shocked if all the above are town. I think we have the exact same list if Jealous is swapped for JAT. Why Jealous?
He agrees with Marv that Palmar, the player he’s been going after all game, is town.
I think Rels is my missing scum, I feel a lot more comfortable Palmar is town now since aside from VE, Rels hasn’t actually gone after anyone I would consider scum, instead he’s TR’d lots of people and tried to claim credit on the flipped scum so far.
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Oh shoot I left out the part about DMB, he throws shade her several times, has her listed as possible scum, but doesn't really do much else about it, if I had to guess, he's lining up for a DMB mislynch at some point down the line if he is never able to get a Palmar train going.
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On March 11 2024 12:52 Rels wrote:
Maybe it is as simple as VE / DMB / CC
It doesn't feel right as it's the easiest lynches. Doesn't feel right at all. But maybe it is
What happened to your Palmar read dude?
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On March 11 2024 12:59 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 12:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 12:52 Rels wrote:
Maybe it is as simple as VE / DMB / CC
It doesn't feel right as it's the easiest lynches. Doesn't feel right at all. But maybe it is What happened to your Palmar read dude? Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 13:20 Rels wrote:
@Anyone does scum!Palmar fake 2 dumbtells in a single post? Taking in consideration that people have scumread DMB for dumbtelling Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 13:22 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 13:21 iamperfection wrote:On March 09 2024 13:20 Rels wrote:
@Anyone does scum!Palmar fake 2 dumbtells in a single post? Taking in consideration that people have scumread DMB for dumbtelling we should ask the palmar expert when he wakes up. Yeah. @marv what do you think? Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 13:23 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 06:59 Palmar wrote:
So like I'm going to try to sort of organize the game in my head, and I'm going to do it out loud, so you can watch me think. It's a fascinating display.
We probably have about 5 mafia in this game. It could be 4, but then they have very strong roles. Normal balance would suggest 5.
This means I need to start sort of filtering down the people I want to think about.
First up, the people I don't really want to lynch or even consider at all:
DarthPunk for huge filter and repeatedly liking his takes on things.
Vivax because that's the gamble we made when we didn't policy lynch him.
Then there's the weaker town reads that are definitely going to contain some mafia:
Koshi was very good early day 1, but I feel like his impact has been reduced. Still not enough to start calling him mafia
marvellosity - I kinda think he's maybe town, he did come around on me correctly, and I kinda trust sandro's read. So for what it's worth, he goes into the "worry later" pile.
Then there's the people who will be resolved by today
Slam - we lynch slam if Oats flips non-miller town. The frame idea is statistically so unlikely
Oats - we lynch Oats today because despite his efforts, there is like 90% chance of him flipping mafia. He does look and say townie things which is pretty well played, but the odds of any other random player flipping red just happen to be significantly lower
Frame math:
Slam check 1/18 (lynches + himself) players = 5.56% chance he checks Oats
Framer frames 1/14 players (21 - 2 lynches - 5 mafia) = 7.14% chance Oats gets framed
This means there's like... 0.3% chance a framer hits the same target the cop checks (but obviously intiution skews this a lot) it's still the best play to do it like that.
Actually as I write this I realize I have way too few townread, which means I really, really need to get work done. For one reason or another I don't trust any of the people below.
Jealous - lack of investigation from me, little posting
Meapak_Ziphh - lack of investigation from me, I'm masoned with the dude but I'm a terrible mason partner because I think they're stupid. That's mostly on me. I also recall some of his posting being a little meek
justanothertownie - Some really atrocious takes throughout the game. Bullshit associative reads and voting without any kind of analysis.
die_meatbaby - lack of investigation from me. I remember having a different feel from last game, but she still gets stuck on dumb shit.
CopCake - I kinda liked rayn's point during the night. Also she should really think I'm town after our discussion in the night.
JacobStrangelove - This guy is clearly just smart. I liked his posting because it's all pretty reasonable, but I feel like he isn't moving the needle at all this game. Happy sitting back and not getting listened to.
Iamperfection - One particularly terrible take during the night, but maybe he just doesn't know what a policy lynch is. I didn't follow up enough to understand if it was malicious or just kinda stupid.
ToTheStars - lurker
VisceraEyes - Fell off cliff. Where VE?
Rels - Terrible case on me on day 1 that reeked of mafia trying to "contribute". Super clear he wasn't caught up on the game and lacked opinionsþ
The 2 dumbtells are in that post ("4 or 5 mafia", "JSL could be scum even though he claimed") I might be biaised by this but I really like this Palmar post. Feels like a really genuine world view
hmmm
I'm gonna have to think about this. A decent chunk of my scumread on you right now comes from you seemingly abandoning your Palmar read. That said, DMB is not scum, I'm almost certain of this. If you take her out, who else do you think could be scum?
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On March 11 2024 13:18 CopCake wrote:
Darth, did my team or not conceded a game we were winning because we felt bad for Slam?
If you're talking about the game 10 months ago, you were not winning, the whole game felt bad for Slam and collectively asked to call it off.
Kinda a low move to pull that game up now to try and prove a point.
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Koshi I know you accepted my defense of DMB but I am once again asking you to reread cake please.
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On March 11 2024 13:23 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 13:18 CopCake wrote:
Darth, did my team or not conceded a game we were winning because we felt bad for Slam? If you're talking about the game 10 months ago, you were not winning, the whole game felt bad for Slam and collectively asked to call it off. Kinda a low move to pull that game up now to try and prove a point. Uh, the mafia team did, town didnt do anything.
That game was why I had suspicions of Marv but I didn't want to bring it up here to justify my read.
I'd rather not talk about that game anymore and I'd prefer if you didn't either, if you're town you should have more than just that game to back you up.
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On March 11 2024 13:30 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 13:23 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 13:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 13:18 CopCake wrote:
Darth, did my team or not conceded a game we were winning because we felt bad for Slam? If you're talking about the game 10 months ago, you were not winning, the whole game felt bad for Slam and collectively asked to call it off. Kinda a low move to pull that game up now to try and prove a point. Uh, the mafia team did, town didnt do anything. That game was why I had suspicions of Marv but I didn't want to bring it up here to justify my read. I'd rather not talk about that game anymore and I'd prefer if you didn't either, if you're town you should have more than just that game to back you up. But why is DP is allowed to say “cake last game did this and this and this”?
I haven't played in 10 months, I have no idea if there was another game DP was referring to. I think that enough things have happened in the game we're currently playing for me to be scumreading you without going back in time.
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