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raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 06 2024 04:56 GMT

#3025

Its completely unreasonable to think those people are mafia for lynching Trfel unless you think Palmar is 100% mafia.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 06 2024 04:59 GMT

#3028

On March 06 2024 13:56 DarthPunk wrote:

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This is at rayn.

I dont know what that means.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 06 2024 05:06 GMT

#3034

On March 06 2024 14:01 DarthPunk wrote:

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Like i completely expect you to be furious with me right now. And I understand the reasons you would be mad as town.

I know that you hate it when you go to bed with a wagon formed for what you think are good reasons, and then, every time, I come and derail it prior to the deadline.

I told you and i told marv i am gonna let you do whatever you do with vivax and koshi.
I simply just don't care enough to be angry at you.
Trfel was not a bad lynch.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 06 2024 05:12 GMT

#3039

On March 06 2024 14:10 CopCake wrote:
Like it makes a lot of sense in my head that DP wanted Tfrel out.

The way the lynch started was instigated by DP but the first vote was by Iamp.

Same with Vivax. He wanted Tfrel out but didnt move a finger until later when someone else did the Dirty work.

I think that Iamp have to do it because if not, the wagon wouldnt have started.

Anyways, I have problems only with DMB believing Vivax 100% claim but other than that she is being her usual self.

And this matters how if Palmar is town?
Why does mafia iamp need to do any of that shit if Palmar is town?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 06 2024 05:25 GMT

#3047

I probably need to revisit MZ later today when i am home. I have hard time finding more mafia, TTS can be anything i think. No vote more likely means he is just uninterested town.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 06 2024 05:26 GMT

#3049

Palmar JAT double bus i don't find likely, however not completely out of question.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 06 2024 05:27 GMT

#3050

On March 06 2024 14:25 CopCake wrote:

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Did I post that Palmar is town?

No but you should have posted he is mafia if you genuinely think iamp Vivax DP are mafia, because that's the ONLY thing how it makes them mafia.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 06 2024 05:34 GMT

#3054

On March 06 2024 14:33 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone have a strong read on rels?

Very good push towards Palmar.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 06 2024 06:06 GMT

#3067

On March 06 2024 14:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I probably need to revisit MZ later today when i am home. I have hard time finding more mafia, TTS can be anything i think. No vote more likely means he is just uninterested town.

I mean, i think MZ works on really weird principles and that's why i think his early game looked town. The way he went on the mayor stuff and kept his head while people were telling the stuff he said is stupid.

However i dont think he has been as vocal as i liked, MZ usually tends to make waves (usually getting scumread) but here is none waves at all. Especially when two of the people claimed, i would expect MZ reaction be like iamp x1000. He's surprisingly calm about all that shit.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 06 2024 08:31 GMT

#3087

On March 06 2024 17:26 justanothertownie wrote:

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Yes, there is not a lot to draw from it but we would always have had to deal with this slot somehow. There is probably a lot to gain from the way the day went as is. I will have a detailed look after I read all of it later. If palmar is not mafia then they were coasting thougn.

Palmar is definitely mafia though.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 06 2024 08:34 GMT

#3088

On March 06 2024 16:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Yeah I read it in context and it still looks bad. Good work Jake.

Looks ike most of the game wants somehow town to lose

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 06 2024 11:13 GMT

#3160

Cake do you townread Palmar?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 06 2024 11:13 GMT

#3161

why do you*

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 06 2024 11:51 GMT

#3167

On March 06 2024 20:41 JacobStrangelove wrote:

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On March 06 2024 19:54 justanothertownie wrote:

On March 06 2024 19:52 CopCake wrote:

On March 06 2024 16:16 JacobStrangelove wrote:
The case for Koshi.

So I just decided to filter Koshi because he seems to be the very town seeming lynch pin holding the somewhat suspicious town group (MZ/CC in the corner together and very first page of his filter he scum slips hard and nobody notices.

On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:

On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:

On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:

On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:

On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor.

Sandro is scummy though

He’s townie.

He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way.

Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb.

Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16.

Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves.

WHEN MARV FLIPS TOWN HEY? WHEN MARV FLIPS TOWN?? Not if Marv flips town when, how do you know Marv’s alignment huh Koshi?

On March 04 2024 22:17 Koshi wrote:
I wanted to be mafia this game. Or wouldnt have mind.
But town is also fine.

I am going to play normal this game. So I would make a good mayor. Because I will be lock town.

Also this type of post always rubs me the wrong way, Oh I’m not mafia tee hee. No pointless bad. Not even a funny “Oh I’m not mafia” just a generic oh damn guys I’m not mafia oh well straight to asking for Mayor.

On March 05 2024 01:12 Koshi wrote:

On March 05 2024 01:09 iamperfection wrote:

On March 05 2024 01:06 Koshi wrote:
I am gonna battle rayn.

You don't think he is likely town?

I havent read anything yet from before I first posted.
Masoning marv is leaning town.
Marv gets good rep, marv isnt saying rayn is mafia. So probably I will have to battle town rayn.

That's ok.

I will battle him with scumreads.

Also early is convinced Rayn is town lack of doubt here is concerning.

On March 05 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:

On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:

On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:

On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.

Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.

Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.

I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?

That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.

You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.

If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.

Second wagon is often a townie as well. Mafia waits till town suggest a second town wagon and then sits on those 2 wagons. Then town vigis or kills second wagon as is tradition. I still think it is protown to want to give town 2 lynches, as it always provides information. But don't use the wrong reasons.

This is frankly just semantic game state posting. Keep in mind Koshi entered the thread fairly late (simply due to timezones) there’s a lot to go off and this is what the focus is not scum hunting.

On March 05 2024 04:47 Koshi wrote:
I wrote this; decided not to post yet to see follow up

On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.

And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game

Don't like this because it breaks the flow of the recent good posts made by iamps & DP

See this:

On March 04 2024 12:52 iamperfection wrote:

upset that town are making town reads?

In addition I like how iamp handled Oats. With humor and progression in reading Oats.
And
I liked how iamp tried to steer away town from retardation around theorycrafting the second wagon.

So iamp lock town till D3

BUT OH BOY WE GOT IAMP RAY AND MARV ALL TOWN LOCKED IN THE FIRST PAGE THIS MAN’S PSYCHIC!

On March 05 2024 05:08 Koshi wrote:

On March 04 2024 13:51 iamperfection wrote:

On March 04 2024 13:49 DarthPunk wrote:

On March 04 2024 13:48 iamperfection wrote:

On March 04 2024 13:46 DarthPunk wrote:

On March 04 2024 13:39 iamperfection wrote:
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i dont think your being smart at all. its a non post imo. You trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill is very suspicious.

Why do you think its a non-post?

because its basically just banter.

Disagree. But DMB looks better since then so I don't really care anymore.

excuse me. What has dmb done better.

You were winning this entire chain till that last line from iamp. Did you answer DP?
And with winning I mean looking pretty townie.

man Dp’s also town everyone is town in Koshi land, Please like me guys I’m calling you all town.

This said I will point out at this point they do go into a scum read on meatbaby for sowing distrust. Then goes in on TTS but I mean kinda everyone did even if TTS is scum I would bus them so hard if I was on a mafia team with them.

On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:

On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:

On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:

On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:
[quote]I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?

There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works.

The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad.
But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan.
Look smart.
But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia.

I don't like it at all.

Then he also thinks Tfrel looks smart but isn’t being helpful. Which isn’t overly suspicious but good to note with the lynch result.

On March 05 2024 23:51 Koshi wrote:
Ok let's shoot hapa with Vivax shot.

I mean not wrong but an easy call to make as mafia if you know they are town.

Okay I’ll be honest I got bored and the case kinda fell off but I see you just entered the thread Koshi.

Mostly I’m concerned with the first part.

On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:

On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:

On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:

On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:

On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor.

Sandro is scummy though

He’s townie.

He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way.

Scum Slip Koshi? What’s happening here?

I think Koshi meant here that he didnt care for the wishperers/mason chats and he has had Marv as town. So when Marv dies then the whisperers chat will have relevance to him.

It is not a slip.

It definitely isn't. That is a really stupid take tbh.

My take or cops take? Because anyone who can't see my take is instantly more suspicious.

your

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 06 2024 12:05 GMT

#3175

On March 06 2024 21:01 justanothertownie wrote:

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I don't know about that. In my experience mafia really likes to latch onto these kind of things. Reserving judgment for now.

DP agreeing with that is far more worrisome. It's simply just how koshi posts.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 06 2024 12:07 GMT

#3178

Yeah but that's just how Koshi has posted always forever in every single game as town.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 06 2024 13:00 GMT

#3186

On March 06 2024 21:40 CopCake wrote:

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I dont think he is town.

Its impossible youthink DP is pocketing Palmar if you dont think Palmar is town, if youre town.

So i guess youre mafia.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 06 2024 13:05 GMT

#3187

On March 06 2024 21:48 justanothertownie wrote:
Rels:

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He seems very very sure about Palmar being mafia. So that is fine as long as the wagon had steam. After it died town we see this:

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Does not seem very strong either way. So I am not entirely sure how we arrive at this:

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But that is finde. What is not fine is that he isn't bothered at all that he is pushing for the same lynch as his top scumread Palmar. So, do we believe Rels just throws all of his conviction out of the window to vote me with his one scumread based on a townread that is at best "weak"?

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On March 06 2024 08:46 Rels wrote:

On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:

On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:

On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:

On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia.

Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie.

The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed

It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake.

I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example

Are you still lock town on trfel btw?

Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that.
I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way.
Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me.

I really really really don't see that.
Last game I was so sure he was town.
What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive.
Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him.

This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible.

The posts that made me think Trfel was townie at the beginning of the game, he showed some conviction:

On March 04 2024 13:19 Trfel wrote:

On March 04 2024 13:11 DarthPunk wrote:
MZ could be mafia here.

That associative push with me/vivax is really out there. And usually I am the one defending him from being misylnched by all the bads.

Sorry I keep doing this, but why do you think that makes Meapak_Ziphh mafia? I don't see why that reasoning is more likely to come from mafia, if anything I think it's the opposite.

On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk.

Looking at the Slam question on Oats, it's this right?

On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:

On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:

On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:

On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:
Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote

But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.

Am I the only one seeing this or what?

Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say.

@Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation.

So how do you?

He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects.

Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities?

What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that?

To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game.

On March 05 2024 04:47 Trfel wrote:

On March 05 2024 04:38 Alakaslam wrote:

On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:

On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:

On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:

On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:
Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote

But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.

Am I the only one seeing this or what?

Caring about what exactly?

Because if he cares to find actual scum, this pursuit of perfection doesn't seem to be a surefire way to me.

He was not far from lynching our cop, for example, for being a bit logically inconsistent- in Oatsmaster's mind.

I think Oats may suffer from some difficulty with theory of mind if he is town here, which I could relate to. In which case I would go right back from a growing SR to a TR.

I'm not confident enough in my read to be interested in defending Oatsmaster here, it's just the impression I got from his posts, which could be wrong. I will say though that whether or not his play is helpful doesn't matter as much as whether or not he truly thinks it is helpful.

I guess it's pretty weak conviction yeah. Don't think it's enough by itself to make him scumread him, let alone be my preferred lynch right now.

No issue at all it seems. Leads me to think between Rels and Palmar there is at least 1 mafia.

This is actually fair point.