EPTOn December 17 2023 02:56 Trfel wrote:
raynpelikoneet
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Raynpelikoneet ended up switching from Holyflare to sandroba at end of day to save Vivax, seeing that Vivax had been active. This is understandable, as he'd been out for a while and was just coming back with 13 minutes until end of day.
Confused by what raynpelikoneet was talking about in the post about lynching Vivax, maybe it was a joke that I missed? Because I generally thought you lynch people you are scumreading...
Then he seems to think that Koshi could be mafia.
This was pretty funny.
It's tough for me to get any conclusions about raynpelikoneet. If he's town I think he's played a solid game. If he's mafia I think he's played a very strong and impressive game. There's a lot of little nitpicky things, but I don't really think those are alignment indicative. The most alignment indicative things I see are:
Static scumreads. This isn't a reason to be suspicious of people that I'm used to using, but I know people mention it a lot. Raynpelikoneet's scumreads do seem rather static here, compared to what I generally expect from him.
Lots of suspicion. He seems to have cleared very few people as being town throughout the game, and while he has top lynches he seems to want to get more than others, he keeps throwing suspicion at a large amount of people. And he seems to be very content with suspecting a large amount of people, extremely content even.
His vote onto Chezinu. I actually do think it's suspicious, how he voted for Chezinu despite seemingly being more invested in Holyflare and/or sandroba being mafia and talking more about them. I know he's said that he thinks he had the pivotal vote on Chezinu that enabled the lynch to happen. People have debated this but let's assume that this is true for a moment, with this assumption in place I'm surprised that he then didn't seem very invested in the actual wagon/lynch itself? Not long after voting he even said something to the effect of "I think sandroba is mafia and I also think Chezinu is mafia but I'll lynch Chezinu since sandroba has a higher chance of providing new information later" which is a valid perspective but he doesn't seem very passionate about lynching Chezinu over sandroba.
Not sure if I said that in a way that makes sense. I could see raynpelikoneet being town or mafia, which isn't very helpful, if he is mafia though I think it is due to the above reasons.
It's like he's suspicious of a lot of people but isn't actually passionate about any votes he makes or actually lynching anyone? That does seem off to me. Maybe slight leaning mafia, to be honest.
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On December 11 2023 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
because he is trying to say (1) palmar made a post about sandroba, which he considers bussing.
(2) because of that, he votes for me, because i think palmar is town (for whatever reason)
(3) after catching up he is now suspicious of vivax, who shares the whole sentiment of him thinking palmar is bussing sandroba, which doesnt make any sense. and even if he changed his mind, then (2) should not apply because we all 4 cannot be mafia...
To be honest I am having a hard time figuring out what raynpelikoneet is getting at here. But the point is that he is suspicious of Holyflare and thinks he is mafia for two reasons. If I recall correctly, this didn't gain much momentum and I am interested to see how exactly raynpelikoneet reacted to that.because he is trying to say (1) palmar made a post about sandroba, which he considers bussing.
(2) because of that, he votes for me, because i think palmar is town (for whatever reason)
(3) after catching up he is now suspicious of vivax, who shares the whole sentiment of him thinking palmar is bussing sandroba, which doesnt make any sense. and even if he changed his mind, then (2) should not apply because we all 4 cannot be mafia...
On December 11 2023 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am gonna take a little break. My feet have been cold for like 3 days because of shitty socks, and i just want to go to sauna now that i can. Will be back in an hour.
If anyone would like to have an opinion on Holyflare, and especially on what i said on him, i would appreciate.
I do like the followup. It may not be what I'm used to from raynpelikoneet (no shouting) but it's still solid, I'll take it.I am gonna take a little break. My feet have been cold for like 3 days because of shitty socks, and i just want to go to sauna now that i can. Will be back in an hour.
If anyone would like to have an opinion on Holyflare, and especially on what i said on him, i would appreciate.
On December 11 2023 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
koshi, hf, dmb best lynch
Surprised he doesn't include sandroba, given the discussions he had and some suspicions shared, but I don't know if it's super alignment indicative other than possible TMI that sandroba is town but that's on pretty sketchy ground. This is post #412, at this point die_meatbaby's only post in the game is this:koshi, hf, dmb best lynch
On December 11 2023 01:23 die_meatbaby wrote:
Hello nice do play again. Didn't post anything and there are already votes. I will catch up in a few hours as soon as my shift is finished
Which really sticks out to me. I'm very surprised that raynpelikoneet would include die_meatbaby in the best lynch list, alongside Holyflare, who he is strongly scumreading, and more than sandroba, who he is suspicious of. Why not include Chezinu, if it's a pure policy? This by itself isn't the most incriminating (though I do think it sticks out) but I'm very interested to see what he thinks about policy lynches/Chezinu lynch later. If he's one of the people that speaks out against policy/gamble lynches then this looks decently suspicious to me.Unless raynpelikoneet actually thought something about this is suspicious?Hello nice do play again. Didn't post anything and there are already votes. I will catch up in a few hours as soon as my shift is finished
On December 11 2023 06:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
maybe actually when she flips mafia, lynch vivax, then lynch anyone who thought vivax is town other than me :D
And also suspicious of Vivax? It's possible there is a line of reasoning/association I am missing here, but this doesn't seem like a town thought process to me. Yet he never voted for Vivax.maybe actually when she flips mafia, lynch vivax, then lynch anyone who thought vivax is town other than me :D
Raynpelikoneet ended up switching from Holyflare to sandroba at end of day to save Vivax, seeing that Vivax had been active. This is understandable, as he'd been out for a while and was just coming back with 13 minutes until end of day.
On December 13 2023 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I ended up with list of:
Holyflare
Chezinu
sandroba
Trfel
Koshi
in no particular order atm. Everyone else i think is more or less town.
Here I'm very surprised that die_meatbaby ended up not on this list? Wasn't raynpelikoneet saying we should lynch her earlier? To be fair she'd only made one post at that time, by now she'd posted more, but this means there must have been something that raynpelikoneet liked about die_meatbaby's posts. This is post 1195, before this point what did die_meatbaby do? Answer: just a page and a half of filter. I'm going to assume that the (presumed) townread is for being around at EoD and trying to save Vivax. This is reasonable ish I suppose.I ended up with list of:
Holyflare
Chezinu
sandroba
Trfel
Koshi
in no particular order atm. Everyone else i think is more or less town.
On December 13 2023 02:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also why i think DMB is town, i see like 0% reason DMB does not lynch Vivax D1 here as mafia. Hell Vivax even scumreads her, i see no world where mafia!DMB does not lynch Vivax.
Here's the explanation. I actually think this makes sense, this is actually a very valid point. Props to raynpelikoneet.Also why i think DMB is town, i see like 0% reason DMB does not lynch Vivax D1 here as mafia. Hell Vivax even scumreads her, i see no world where mafia!DMB does not lynch Vivax.
On December 13 2023 02:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also want to lynch Chezinu because i think he implied someone is blue or red but didn't go further into it when i asked.
So Chezinu is more than just a policy...I also want to lynch Chezinu because i think he implied someone is blue or red but didn't go further into it when i asked.
On December 13 2023 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There are some points where he breaks character. Like all up to his p2 of filter is fine very Palmar-esque, but then he makes a weird list post (not that it's bad). I find it out of character anyways and i don't know what it means. It's all like full Palmar mode into tunneling Vivax into "hey here are my reads and these people i am up to lynching".... Idk it just feels very out of place to me. Then it's all back to said "character".
It's like it's a different person writing that one post.
Says Palmar may not be town. I don't quite follow the reasoning but it seems understandable that raynpelikoneet could think this.There are some points where he breaks character. Like all up to his p2 of filter is fine very Palmar-esque, but then he makes a weird list post (not that it's bad). I find it out of character anyways and i don't know what it means. It's all like full Palmar mode into tunneling Vivax into "hey here are my reads and these people i am up to lynching".... Idk it just feels very out of place to me. Then it's all back to said "character".
It's like it's a different person writing that one post.
On December 13 2023 05:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is Palmar top 1 contributor in his list when Palmar just lead a mislynch and DP top 2 was probably on mafia sandroba?
Still confident in sandroba being mafia.Why is Palmar top 1 contributor in his list when Palmar just lead a mislynch and DP top 2 was probably on mafia sandroba?
On December 13 2023 09:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i think i nailed HF to the wall regardless if i am right or wrong.
sandroba is mafia though
Koshi is prolly town tbh, i am just so sad.
trfel trfel... can trfel be mafia with sandroba?
Still confident in sandroba.Like i think i nailed HF to the wall regardless if i am right or wrong.
sandroba is mafia though
Koshi is prolly town tbh, i am just so sad.
trfel trfel... can trfel be mafia with sandroba?
On December 15 2023 01:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why are people, name Trfel and Koshi saying i have voted for Vivax or even scumread him?
On page 84 Trfel has just read my filter apparently, and is claiming i hvae voted for Vivax.
Why are people, name Trfel and Koshi saying i have voted for Vivax or even scumread him?
On page 84 Trfel has just read my filter apparently, and is claiming i hvae voted for Vivax.
Confused by what raynpelikoneet was talking about in the post about lynching Vivax, maybe it was a joke that I missed? Because I generally thought you lynch people you are scumreading...
On December 15 2023 01:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why are people, name Trfel and Koshi saying i have voted for Vivax or even scumread him?
On page 84 Trfel has just read my filter apparently, and is claiming i hvae voted for Vivax.
Ends up voting for Chezinu. No reason given.Why are people, name Trfel and Koshi saying i have voted for Vivax or even scumread him?
On page 84 Trfel has just read my filter apparently, and is claiming i hvae voted for Vivax.
On December 15 2023 02:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You talked ~20 pages about same stuff we did D1. Then Slam (and Trfel) orchestrated a switch to Chezinu, who everyone seems to think is mafia, but noone wants to vote for. Then i voted for Chezinu.
You talked ~20 pages about same stuff we did D1. Then Slam (and Trfel) orchestrated a switch to Chezinu, who everyone seems to think is mafia, but noone wants to vote for. Then i voted for Chezinu.
On December 15 2023 02:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i still think sandroba is mafia, but i also think Chezinu is mafia and noone seems to be willing to vote for him while thinking he is mafia and drawing some random conclusions about it.
This is interesting. Suddenly actually thinks Chezinu is mafia:Like i still think sandroba is mafia, but i also think Chezinu is mafia and noone seems to be willing to vote for him while thinking he is mafia and drawing some random conclusions about it.
On December 15 2023 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think chezinu is mafia
I think sandroba is mafia
I think HF is mafia
there is 3 reasons
That wasn't what I got before, I thought he only had one thought on Chezinu other than seemingly POEing him? To be fair it's possible that that one thought was enough here.I think chezinu is mafia
I think sandroba is mafia
I think HF is mafia
there is 3 reasons
On December 15 2023 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I heavily dislike this post and i want HF to put a vote on Chezinu no matter his alignment.
Chezinu is genuinely scummy, i tried to get into conversation with him about if he actually believes Trfel is blue or red. It didn't happen. He just kept repeating the same stuff.
Raynpelikoneet stands by this. I don't know if this logic for reading Chezinu makes much sense, but that doesn't matter, all that matters is if raynpelikoneet thinks it makes sense, and that I cannot say.I heavily dislike this post and i want HF to put a vote on Chezinu no matter his alignment.
Chezinu is genuinely scummy, i tried to get into conversation with him about if he actually believes Trfel is blue or red. It didn't happen. He just kept repeating the same stuff.
On December 15 2023 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
First of all there is no way i am voting for Chezinu over sandroba D2 when i did if i was mafia. Not even in the scenario where i am mafia with Chezinu and sandroba. I was the key person to actually make Chezinu lynch even viable option at that time.
So i guess it's time to look through all the people who are telling i am mafia because i voted for Chezinu, or whatever i did during D2. There is mafia there and there is probably 2 mafia in there.
That means i don't care about Slam, Trfel, DMB.
How impactful raynpelikoneet was in getting Chezinu lynched has already been debated for a while, I don't care to argue about that. I am interested though how important raynpelikoneet thought his own vote on Chezinu was, like how passionate he was about it. Because I didn't get a ton of passion. His scumreads have felt fairly static this game to be honest.First of all there is no way i am voting for Chezinu over sandroba D2 when i did if i was mafia. Not even in the scenario where i am mafia with Chezinu and sandroba. I was the key person to actually make Chezinu lynch even viable option at that time.
So i guess it's time to look through all the people who are telling i am mafia because i voted for Chezinu, or whatever i did during D2. There is mafia there and there is probably 2 mafia in there.
That means i don't care about Slam, Trfel, DMB.
Then he seems to think that Koshi could be mafia.
On December 16 2023 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Im thinking most likely answer atm is HF + Palmar.
Then surprised that Koshi or I aren't worth considering? Or sandroba? He said that the game is likely solved, but it seems like there are a lot of people he is still suspicious of here?Im thinking most likely answer atm is HF + Palmar.
This was pretty funny.
On December 16 2023 08:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really don't know how Koshi and sandroba look really good even from your perspective.
But they aren't on his scum team and the game is solved? Confused.I really don't know how Koshi and sandroba look really good even from your perspective.
It's tough for me to get any conclusions about raynpelikoneet. If he's town I think he's played a solid game. If he's mafia I think he's played a very strong and impressive game. There's a lot of little nitpicky things, but I don't really think those are alignment indicative. The most alignment indicative things I see are:
Static scumreads. This isn't a reason to be suspicious of people that I'm used to using, but I know people mention it a lot. Raynpelikoneet's scumreads do seem rather static here, compared to what I generally expect from him.
Lots of suspicion. He seems to have cleared very few people as being town throughout the game, and while he has top lynches he seems to want to get more than others, he keeps throwing suspicion at a large amount of people. And he seems to be very content with suspecting a large amount of people, extremely content even.
His vote onto Chezinu. I actually do think it's suspicious, how he voted for Chezinu despite seemingly being more invested in Holyflare and/or sandroba being mafia and talking more about them. I know he's said that he thinks he had the pivotal vote on Chezinu that enabled the lynch to happen. People have debated this but let's assume that this is true for a moment, with this assumption in place I'm surprised that he then didn't seem very invested in the actual wagon/lynch itself? Not long after voting he even said something to the effect of "I think sandroba is mafia and I also think Chezinu is mafia but I'll lynch Chezinu since sandroba has a higher chance of providing new information later" which is a valid perspective but he doesn't seem very passionate about lynching Chezinu over sandroba.
Not sure if I said that in a way that makes sense. I could see raynpelikoneet being town or mafia, which isn't very helpful, if he is mafia though I think it is due to the above reasons.
It's like he's suspicious of a lot of people but isn't actually passionate about any votes he makes or actually lynching anyone? That does seem off to me. Maybe slight leaning mafia, to be honest.
I actually like that post because I didn't think so much of rayn in this game and thats not good. Still a possibility there. But his vote on chez is not suspicious (in my option) He was suspicious about different people
On December 15 2023 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think chezinu is mafia
I think sandroba is mafia
I think HF is mafia
there is 3 reasons
I think chezinu is mafia
I think sandroba is mafia
I think HF is mafia
there is 3 reasons
When the voting train goes on chez why should he vote on HF when he thinks both are in the red fucker team. When I think of 3 persons in a scum team and one has good chance of getting lynched of course I go with that as Town.
