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On December 12 2023 00:05 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 20:42 DarthPunk wrote:If you can't be bothered reading the big post (you really fucking should) This is a snapshot. a pretty egregious case of incongruence: Rayn asks for an opinion on holyflare. Marv is.... Non-commital. On December 11 2023 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am gonna take a little break. My feet have been cold for like 3 days because of shitty socks, and i just want to go to sauna now that i can. Will be back in an hour.
If anyone would like to have an opinion on Holyflare, and especially on what i said on him, i would appreciate. On December 11 2023 06:49 marvellosity wrote:
I admit I can’t make much of any of it… Two unrelated posts later. On December 11 2023 07:34 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 06:35 Trfel wrote:
I think at this point I'd be okay with lynching Koshi (if he is going to play like this), and potentially okay with lynching DarthPunk. Sandroba's recent set of posts were more interesting to me, I didn't necessarily agree with everything he was saying but it helps me to put together his mindset/approach. Holyflare's point that he's focusing on defending himself from presumed incorrect accusations instead of actually finding mafia or being productive is strong, now that he's actually shared suspicions I look forward to him coming back tomorrow. Vivax I could definitely see being mafia but I don't think I want to lynch him as much as Koshi or DarthPunk at this point. Holyflare is not townie in any way, in any point of his game. He might be misguided as fuck but never ever has he done anything townie. Not sure I agree, I can follow his thoughts 7B Marv thinks holyflare is town, or at least not mafia because he can follow his thoughts. Why does Marv not say that in the first place? Why does he say nothing at all when it is clear he in fact has something to say?between those posts, holyflare had not posted a thing. not bad, I like palmar's better
As explained by multiple people now, it is bad.
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On December 11 2023 16:57 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 13:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Trfel are you around?
Can you give me your updated reads now you are voting vivax I'm asleep. I think Vivax is the best chance at mafia. His play is very underwhelming and uninspired, in contrast to his town play where he is capable of being a very strong player. He also seems to not care about his relatively poor performance/lack of investmemt. Sandroba and Koshi might be worth considering but I think I like lynching Vivax more by a decent margin.
Trfel I had been leaning town from the burst of engagement, but this post really set off some alarms for me.
Vivax mentioned that he was weary from the bottom feeders on his wagon, and if I was town Vivax I would definitely be all over this post in particular. The wording, tone and reasoning on this post don't seem to match the rest of his filter.
Seems like a formal way to justify a vote, looks like it's fabricated and a chore.
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Vivax, didn't you say Palmar was town mid page 38, then a few posts later vote for him? And then call him town again after? Or am I misreading?
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Palmar's guide to lynching Vivax
Why we should lynch Vivax
The case has been made pretty well by more people than me. The gist of it is that his early filter simply doesn't look like he's actually trying to solve the game. He's just floating along and asking boring questions. a particularly egregious one is this one:
On December 11 2023 04:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 03:37 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax, Koshi, chez, sandro, meatbaby and palmar is a good list of LHF to get through for the time being. Maybe throw in a rayn in there but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Palmar and rayn probably the weakest in being in this list so will see what they get up to while I work throw the others. Why this phrasing.
Like... who cares dude? How is this a thing?
Then there's all the commentary on the thread "Palmar seems sure of himself" (no shit?), "rayn doesn't look eager for conclusions." Some random questions to random people with no appearance of any kind of critical thread he's chasing.
I'm not gonna make a massive case because the essence is pretty much this:
On December 11 2023 10:30 Palmar wrote:
Jesus it’s so bad. Pointless commentary, terrible questions. Lots of nothing and very boring to boot. I didn’t laugh once.
We found our first mafia boys. Get in while it’s still cool
On December 11 2023 04:33 Koshi wrote:
Vivax try to be slightly more fun. I would love you to not be mafia but you are painful to read.
Like I honestly can't think of a more deserving day 1 lynch. Also for people who think "blue hunting" is a thing:
On December 11 2023 10:39 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
DMB thoughts on Vivax?
Usually you are the first one to want to kill him with fire as soon as he looks at you a bit funny. The problem is he looks so fucking scummy right now but i am not sure if i miss a blue point here. Defently not so green, but not worth a vote (for now)
Which it obviously isn't and thinking this way is a very bad way of playing the game, Vivax already claimed VT so who cares.
I have some reasons not to lynch all the other candidates (well maybe not sandroba, but whatever). Marv and HF will reveal themselves to be mafia if they are, and Chez would just be a default lynch if we had no options.
Vivax is objectively the best lynch because I can't think of a single reason to keep him alive...
How we should lynch Vivax
If you're town your vote should be on Vivax and because of the weird deadline we should be incredibly resistant to shenanigans. If we last minute derail the lynch the chances are going down the drain we hit mafia AND it will reduce the information we have from the voting, even if I'm wrong (I'm not).
The reason we lose information is that bunch of people will be sleeping at the deadline and thus cannot commit one way or another in any last minute vote train.
If you don't agree with killing Vivax you need to present your findings as soon as possible, there really isn't that much left in the day.
We don't need Rambo players in this town going after their own lynch. You're only allowed to be town and not vote Vivax if you can make the case that he isn't mafia. Just making a case one someone else (like DP on Marv) isn't enough. This isn't about bragging rights, it's about maintaining control.
Also the first person who talks about the wagon being too easy should be shot.
What Vivax's death means
This is the hard part. If he flips mafia we get a bunch of good information. If he is mafia his friends have long since thrown him under the bus. Don't expect to find mafia in the resistance to the Vivax mafia lynch.
If he flips town it's more likely to find mafia in the resistance, but probably among the less vocal resistance. People who seem unsure or claim to be happy to lynch Vivax but maybe want to lynch someone else? Those are the people you need to focus on.
People who blindly sheep the case or do it because they genuinely believe in it are more likely to be town, regardless of alignment. Remember of course to only use the information up to this post, as I've just told the mafia how to appear town :D
Honestly even if Vivax flips town I don't think I need to reconsider my list of people all that much. There's still people who are following the case in a townie way and scummy way.
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On December 11 2023 23:40 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 23:19 Palmar wrote:On December 11 2023 22:03 marvellosity wrote:
By the way Palmar, or anyone who cares to read. The reason for my responses to DP being low energy is that basically every game we played this year DP has made a mega case on me pointing out inconsistencies and incongruities (that aren’t true) and twisting my entire filter into a scummy narrative.
The thing is, if he does this to me every time we play, sometimes I’m town, sometimes I’m mafia, but DP is only right sometimes because I am sometimes mafia. A broken clock is right twice a day.
It is tiring hearing the same case over and over, as nothing in it ever makes me mafia, he has no idea how to read me, he just makes the same case every game. It’s tedious that that becomes the focal point of my attention, rather than happily bumbling along with my suspicions on sandro and Vivax. Yeah but DP isn't that hard to deal with. Even if you ignore his case and just spend energy on something else that's enough. You aren't doing that and you know it. You haven't even protested being in my shit tier list, because you know I should be thinking exactly this about you. What do I need to spend energy on? You’ve come to the same conclusions as me (except on me). So I’m unsure what you propose I should be doing exactly.
Voting Vivax would be a start.
Or because you said you'd prefer sandroba, maybe try to get that done?
Idk, I'm not your mom
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On December 11 2023 23:56 sandroba wrote:
@palmar not sure why you are including me in your scum teams either
That'd be because you're mafia
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On December 12 2023 00:25 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 23:56 sandroba wrote:
@palmar not sure why you are including me in your scum teams either That'd be because you're mafia
... that you're attempting to save in a only so slightly impressive fashion.
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Fake everything tbh.
Town will give Palmar a little morsel of me before they all go into the pit or something.
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On December 12 2023 00:26 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 00:25 Palmar wrote:On December 11 2023 23:56 sandroba wrote:
@palmar not sure why you are including me in your scum teams either That'd be because you're mafia ... that you're attempting to save in a only so slightly impressive fashion.
I mean you also mafia, what can a guy do?
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To not hurt his illusions of grandeur
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I have no illusions of grandeur. Very much real.
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On December 11 2023 22:29 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 22:25 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 22:18 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 22:16 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 22:14 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 22:06 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 22:04 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 22:00 Vivax wrote:
It's hard to explain but town DP usually glows intensely and is very conscious about steering the thread to where he wants to (which usually isn't a bad direction), here he's more of a bystander who croaks at everything, tone-wise. The way he treated me I find his vote not being on me scummy and out of character.
Holyflare always plays pro-scum no matter the alignment so him hopping onto my wagon with Trfel is NAI at best.
Just got up to rant and give a few unripe thoughts. But having a wagon on myself is helpful in that I know it has to be at least partially mafia driven. What exactly is scummy about my vote not being on you, considering: A.) it was B.) the massive push i made on marv and C.) what do you mean by the way I treated you? When Palmar initiated the wagon yesterday you were keen on burying me even when I was adressing DMB for example (you defended her post instead). It's something you do on a level of confidence that doesn't match you just casually switching to marv. Even a look at the votecount made me sus of you. I don't think I 'casually' switched to marv, the marv stuff was bothering me for a while. I also think you are mafia FWIW. Particularly after this dramatic entrance. It's not me you have to tell that to. It's a shit wagon on the wrong player  This is where you can already start judging who jumps on it. Palmar is probably town in this case. It's the bottom feeders latching to it that are more interesting. You are saying that your wagon is shit and on the wrong player? Who do you think is the right player then? Gut and purely from gamestate I'd say DP, Sandro, Trfel are the mafia (lots of unproductive verbosity from two while Sandro makes sense from a more frozen perspective). In this context your unvote makes sense cause you don't want all three on a wagon. HF, Chezinu would be policy lynches. You think the world is that mafia went after mafia who OMGUSed back onto their mafia partner, just for the 3rd mafia partner to pick one of the mafia partners to start tunelling? What on earth
I have done stranger things, but I agree 'tis unlikely.
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Methinks someone tampered with DPs supersoldier vat he usually sleeps in and attached a vial of tranquilizer to it otherwise I don't see why he plays town like this if he even is.
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On December 11 2023 23:52 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 22:47 Vivax wrote:
There's nothing exonerating Sandro in his filter.
It's mostly just generic reasons to call me mafia and he can't even find the text pieces to prove what he's saying. I've been far from a blend-in playstyle. This post here also shows a mafia mindset, not arguing against the substance of what I'm saying, which is that his first post he did not read the thread and tried to reach a conclusion about my alignment, but instead he followed thread sentiment and quoted I few things from my post to appear to be contributing. In the post above he dismisses it as generic and quibbles about me not finding text pieces, which is classic mafia sentiment for "you are accusing me for the wrong reasons"
This btw is a genuinely very scummy post. Not because of it's context but because of the thought process behind it.
Sandroba can easily just say "well Palmar looks town so I go murder train on Vivax", but instead he does "independent research" and comes to the same conclusion to justify his vote. It's forced "case".
This is a scummy post if Vivax flips mafia and it's also scummy if Vivax flips town.
But the good thing is that it locks in Sandroba's vote on Vivax so I don't care for now. Can only lynch one dude today.
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I'm probably being lynched under accusation that I'm boring precisely because you're afraid that I will stop to be that and your soft grandpa hearts couldn't be able to handle that.
I need an avenue to be entertaining, you're making the atmosphere austere and unpleasant (looking at DP and Palmar mostly).
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It's also just a not very good post regardless because it doesn't make any sense
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On December 11 2023 23:51 Palmar wrote:
The people are pleased with your suffering Vivax.
Hijole not all
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On December 12 2023 00:12 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 00:05 Alakaslam wrote:On December 11 2023 20:42 DarthPunk wrote:If you can't be bothered reading the big post (you really fucking should) This is a snapshot. a pretty egregious case of incongruence: Rayn asks for an opinion on holyflare. Marv is.... Non-commital. On December 11 2023 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am gonna take a little break. My feet have been cold for like 3 days because of shitty socks, and i just want to go to sauna now that i can. Will be back in an hour.
If anyone would like to have an opinion on Holyflare, and especially on what i said on him, i would appreciate. On December 11 2023 06:49 marvellosity wrote:
I admit I can’t make much of any of it… Two unrelated posts later. On December 11 2023 07:34 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 06:35 Trfel wrote:
I think at this point I'd be okay with lynching Koshi (if he is going to play like this), and potentially okay with lynching DarthPunk. Sandroba's recent set of posts were more interesting to me, I didn't necessarily agree with everything he was saying but it helps me to put together his mindset/approach. Holyflare's point that he's focusing on defending himself from presumed incorrect accusations instead of actually finding mafia or being productive is strong, now that he's actually shared suspicions I look forward to him coming back tomorrow. Vivax I could definitely see being mafia but I don't think I want to lynch him as much as Koshi or DarthPunk at this point. Holyflare is not townie in any way, in any point of his game. He might be misguided as fuck but never ever has he done anything townie. Not sure I agree, I can follow his thoughts 7B Marv thinks holyflare is town, or at least not mafia because he can follow his thoughts. Why does Marv not say that in the first place? Why does he say nothing at all when it is clear he in fact has something to say?between those posts, holyflare had not posted a thing. not bad, I like palmar's better As explained by multiple people now, it is bad.
This is true. I was catching up.
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On December 11 2023 22:16 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 22:14 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 22:06 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 22:04 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 22:00 Vivax wrote:
It's hard to explain but town DP usually glows intensely and is very conscious about steering the thread to where he wants to (which usually isn't a bad direction), here he's more of a bystander who croaks at everything, tone-wise. The way he treated me I find his vote not being on me scummy and out of character.
Holyflare always plays pro-scum no matter the alignment so him hopping onto my wagon with Trfel is NAI at best.
Just got up to rant and give a few unripe thoughts. But having a wagon on myself is helpful in that I know it has to be at least partially mafia driven. What exactly is scummy about my vote not being on you, considering: A.) it was B.) the massive push i made on marv and C.) what do you mean by the way I treated you? When Palmar initiated the wagon yesterday you were keen on burying me even when I was adressing DMB for example (you defended her post instead). It's something you do on a level of confidence that doesn't match you just casually switching to marv. Even a look at the votecount made me sus of you. I don't think I 'casually' switched to marv, the marv stuff was bothering me for a while. I also think you are mafia FWIW. Particularly after this dramatic entrance. It's not me you have to tell that to. It's a shit wagon on the wrong player This is where you can already start judging who jumps on it. Palmar is probably town in this case. It's the bottom feeders latching to it that are more interesting. On December 11 2023 23:22 Vivax wrote:
##Vote: Palmar
First vote on mafia probably.
All combinations have Sandro in them though.
DP + Trfel + Sandro for the more tinfoily world
and Palmar + DMB + Sandro for the actual safe scumplay because there's nothing in Palmar's filter not making me thing that his read on Sandro is a bus at best and fake on town at worst. Vivax, what gives?
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On December 12 2023 00:23 Palmar wrote:Palmar's guide to lynching Vivax Why we should lynch VivaxThe case has been made pretty well by more people than me. The gist of it is that his early filter simply doesn't look like he's actually trying to solve the game. He's just floating along and asking boring questions. a particularly egregious one is this one: Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 04:29 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 03:37 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax, Koshi, chez, sandro, meatbaby and palmar is a good list of LHF to get through for the time being. Maybe throw in a rayn in there but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Palmar and rayn probably the weakest in being in this list so will see what they get up to while I work throw the others. Why this phrasing. Like... who cares dude? How is this a thing? Then there's all the commentary on the thread "Palmar seems sure of himself" (no shit?), "rayn doesn't look eager for conclusions." Some random questions to random people with no appearance of any kind of critical thread he's chasing. I'm not gonna make a massive case because the essence is pretty much this: Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 10:30 Palmar wrote:
Jesus it’s so bad. Pointless commentary, terrible questions. Lots of nothing and very boring to boot. I didn’t laugh once.
We found our first mafia boys. Get in while it’s still cool Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 04:33 Koshi wrote:
Vivax try to be slightly more fun. I would love you to not be mafia but you are painful to read. Like I honestly can't think of a more deserving day 1 lynch. Also for people who think "blue hunting" is a thing: Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 10:39 die_meatbaby wrote:On December 11 2023 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
DMB thoughts on Vivax?
Usually you are the first one to want to kill him with fire as soon as he looks at you a bit funny. The problem is he looks so fucking scummy right now but i am not sure if i miss a blue point here. Defently not so green, but not worth a vote (for now) Which it obviously isn't and thinking this way is a very bad way of playing the game, Vivax already claimed VT so who cares. I have some reasons not to lynch all the other candidates (well maybe not sandroba, but whatever). Marv and HF will reveal themselves to be mafia if they are, and Chez would just be a default lynch if we had no options. Vivax is objectively the best lynch because I can't think of a single reason to keep him alive... How we should lynch VivaxIf you're town your vote should be on Vivax and because of the weird deadline we should be incredibly resistant to shenanigans. If we last minute derail the lynch the chances are going down the drain we hit mafia AND it will reduce the information we have from the voting, even if I'm wrong (I'm not). The reason we lose information is that bunch of people will be sleeping at the deadline and thus cannot commit one way or another in any last minute vote train. If you don't agree with killing Vivax you need to present your findings as soon as possible, there really isn't that much left in the day. We don't need Rambo players in this town going after their own lynch. You're only allowed to be town and not vote Vivax if you can make the case that he isn't mafia. Just making a case one someone else (like DP on Marv) isn't enough. This isn't about bragging rights, it's about maintaining control. Also the first person who talks about the wagon being too easy should be shot. What Vivax's death meansThis is the hard part. If he flips mafia we get a bunch of good information. If he is mafia his friends have long since thrown him under the bus. Don't expect to find mafia in the resistance to the Vivax mafia lynch. If he flips town it's more likely to find mafia in the resistance, but probably among the less vocal resistance. People who seem unsure or claim to be happy to lynch Vivax but maybe want to lynch someone else? Those are the people you need to focus on. People who blindly sheep the case or do it because they genuinely believe in it are more likely to be town, regardless of alignment. Remember of course to only use the information up to this post, as I've just told the mafia how to appear town :D Honestly even if Vivax flips town I don't think I need to reconsider my list of people all that much. There's still people who are following the case in a townie way and scummy way.
Which would implicate DP
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