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On December 12 2023 00:39 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 22:16 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 22:14 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 22:06 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 22:04 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 22:00 Vivax wrote:
It's hard to explain but town DP usually glows intensely and is very conscious about steering the thread to where he wants to (which usually isn't a bad direction), here he's more of a bystander who croaks at everything, tone-wise. The way he treated me I find his vote not being on me scummy and out of character.
Holyflare always plays pro-scum no matter the alignment so him hopping onto my wagon with Trfel is NAI at best.
Just got up to rant and give a few unripe thoughts. But having a wagon on myself is helpful in that I know it has to be at least partially mafia driven. What exactly is scummy about my vote not being on you, considering: A.) it was B.) the massive push i made on marv and C.) what do you mean by the way I treated you? When Palmar initiated the wagon yesterday you were keen on burying me even when I was adressing DMB for example (you defended her post instead). It's something you do on a level of confidence that doesn't match you just casually switching to marv. Even a look at the votecount made me sus of you. I don't think I 'casually' switched to marv, the marv stuff was bothering me for a while. I also think you are mafia FWIW. Particularly after this dramatic entrance. It's not me you have to tell that to. It's a shit wagon on the wrong player  This is where you can already start judging who jumps on it. Palmar is probably town in this case. It's the bottom feeders latching to it that are more interesting. Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 23:22 Vivax wrote:
##Vote: Palmar
First vote on mafia probably.
All combinations have Sandro in them though.
DP + Trfel + Sandro for the more tinfoily world
and Palmar + DMB + Sandro for the actual safe scumplay because there's nothing in Palmar's filter not making me thing that his read on Sandro is a bus at best and fake on town at worst. Vivax, what gives?
Hehehehehehehhe this is making me TR Trfel
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No DP should not be considered in any immediate scenario. If he's mafia he's well hidden.
For now, he's town.
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On December 12 2023 00:32 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 23:52 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 22:47 Vivax wrote:
There's nothing exonerating Sandro in his filter.
It's mostly just generic reasons to call me mafia and he can't even find the text pieces to prove what he's saying. I've been far from a blend-in playstyle. This post here also shows a mafia mindset, not arguing against the substance of what I'm saying, which is that his first post he did not read the thread and tried to reach a conclusion about my alignment, but instead he followed thread sentiment and quoted I few things from my post to appear to be contributing. In the post above he dismisses it as generic and quibbles about me not finding text pieces, which is classic mafia sentiment for "you are accusing me for the wrong reasons" This btw is a genuinely very scummy post. Not because of it's context but because of the thought process behind it. Sandroba can easily just say "well Palmar looks town so I go murder train on Vivax", but instead he does "independent research" and comes to the same conclusion to justify his vote. It's forced "case". This is a scummy post if Vivax flips mafia and it's also scummy if Vivax flips town. But the good thing is that it locks in Sandroba's vote on Vivax so I don't care for now. Can only lynch one dude today.
The main reason I though you looked town is that you were trying to get traction on vivax, who I thought was likely mafia - not that you were super town and because of that vivax should be mafia - that doesn't make any sense, and I wouldn't trust you without being convinced myself even if I though you were town.
Sharing my reasoning there helps me clarify and reassess my thoughts, get feedback from the thread which helps my read and getting reads off others and also helps to convice other players of my desired lynch, all pro town things.
The way you are trying to set this up and your reasoning is not making any sense, it feels either like pushing mafia agenda or if you had a pre conceived notion that I must be mafia, which I'm trying to get to the bottom of
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What we need is clarity and organization.
The clock is really winding down if anyone wants to lynch someone that isn't Vivax. You need to be aware of the deadlines. It's better to sheep the case for unity if you're town than be a rebel.
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If this were eight years ago, even five years ago I could maybe see the points on marvellosity. But time has passed, things change. I don't feel like marvellosity's play is particularly scummy, sure he's less invested and involved than we all know he's capable of, but I don't think that makes him mafia. That just means that he's changed over the past five plus years, I know, shocker.
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On December 12 2023 00:19 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 16:57 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 13:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Trfel are you around?
Can you give me your updated reads now you are voting vivax I'm asleep. I think Vivax is the best chance at mafia. His play is very underwhelming and uninspired, in contrast to his town play where he is capable of being a very strong player. He also seems to not care about his relatively poor performance/lack of investmemt. Sandroba and Koshi might be worth considering but I think I like lynching Vivax more by a decent margin. Trfel I had been leaning town from the burst of engagement, but this post really set off some alarms for me. Vivax mentioned that he was weary from the bottom feeders on his wagon, and if I was town Vivax I would definitely be all over this post in particular. The wording, tone and reasoning on this post don't seem to match the rest of his filter. Seems like a formal way to justify a vote, looks like it's fabricated and a chore.
@marv comment please
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On December 12 2023 00:44 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 00:32 Palmar wrote:On December 11 2023 23:52 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 22:47 Vivax wrote:
There's nothing exonerating Sandro in his filter.
It's mostly just generic reasons to call me mafia and he can't even find the text pieces to prove what he's saying. I've been far from a blend-in playstyle. This post here also shows a mafia mindset, not arguing against the substance of what I'm saying, which is that his first post he did not read the thread and tried to reach a conclusion about my alignment, but instead he followed thread sentiment and quoted I few things from my post to appear to be contributing. In the post above he dismisses it as generic and quibbles about me not finding text pieces, which is classic mafia sentiment for "you are accusing me for the wrong reasons" This btw is a genuinely very scummy post. Not because of it's context but because of the thought process behind it. Sandroba can easily just say "well Palmar looks town so I go murder train on Vivax", but instead he does "independent research" and comes to the same conclusion to justify his vote. It's forced "case". This is a scummy post if Vivax flips mafia and it's also scummy if Vivax flips town. But the good thing is that it locks in Sandroba's vote on Vivax so I don't care for now. Can only lynch one dude today. The main reason I though you looked town is that you were trying to get traction on vivax, who I thought was likely mafia - not that you were super town and because of that vivax should be mafia - that doesn't make any sense, and I wouldn't trust you without being convinced myself even if I though you were town. Sharing my reasoning there helps me clarify and reassess my thoughts, get feedback from the thread which helps my read and getting reads off others and also helps to convice other players of my desired lynch, all pro town things. The way you are trying to set this up and your reasoning is not making any sense, it feels either like pushing mafia agenda or if you had a pre conceived notion that I must be mafia, which I'm trying to get to the bottom of
shush the town people are talking.
Be a good boy and keep your vote on Vivax.
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On December 12 2023 00:45 Trfel wrote:
If this were eight years ago, even five years ago I could maybe see the points on marvellosity. But time has passed, things change. I don't feel like marvellosity's play is particularly scummy, sure he's less invested and involved than we all know he's capable of, but I don't think that makes him mafia. That just means that he's changed over the past five plus years, I know, shocker.
It's a little scummy.
He hasn't voted Vivax?
But he also hasn't told everyone to go for his preferred lynch of Sandroba?
Does he even care?
I am but a humble boy yet everyone is doing what I say? If marv cared he could get people to do what he says?
But this is not 100% mafia reasoning, but he's staying on my shit tier list for now.
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On December 12 2023 00:19 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 16:57 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 13:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Trfel are you around?
Can you give me your updated reads now you are voting vivax I'm asleep. I think Vivax is the best chance at mafia. His play is very underwhelming and uninspired, in contrast to his town play where he is capable of being a very strong player. He also seems to not care about his relatively poor performance/lack of investmemt. Sandroba and Koshi might be worth considering but I think I like lynching Vivax more by a decent margin. Trfel I had been leaning town from the burst of engagement, but this post really set off some alarms for me. Vivax mentioned that he was weary from the bottom feeders on his wagon, and if I was town Vivax I would definitely be all over this post in particular. The wording, tone and reasoning on this post don't seem to match the rest of his filter. Seems like a formal way to justify a vote, looks like it's fabricated and a chore.
It’s a bit over wordy maybe, but so is most of his filter.
Out of curiosity then, how would you have expected him to place a vote?
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On December 12 2023 00:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 00:45 Trfel wrote:
If this were eight years ago, even five years ago I could maybe see the points on marvellosity. But time has passed, things change. I don't feel like marvellosity's play is particularly scummy, sure he's less invested and involved than we all know he's capable of, but I don't think that makes him mafia. That just means that he's changed over the past five plus years, I know, shocker. It's a little scummy. He hasn't voted Vivax? But he also hasn't told everyone to go for his preferred lynch of Sandroba? Does he even care? I am but a humble boy yet everyone is doing what I say? If marv cared he could get people to do what he says? But this is not 100% mafia reasoning, but he's staying on my shit tier list for now.
Oh
No really, your logic in that big post about people being glad to vote vivax but what about someone else?
That is DP.
Marv is more flat denial.
I wouldn't vote DP today or tomorrow. But maybe d3 if it starts to look like this.
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On December 12 2023 00:39 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 22:16 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 22:14 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 22:06 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 22:04 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 22:00 Vivax wrote:
It's hard to explain but town DP usually glows intensely and is very conscious about steering the thread to where he wants to (which usually isn't a bad direction), here he's more of a bystander who croaks at everything, tone-wise. The way he treated me I find his vote not being on me scummy and out of character.
Holyflare always plays pro-scum no matter the alignment so him hopping onto my wagon with Trfel is NAI at best.
Just got up to rant and give a few unripe thoughts. But having a wagon on myself is helpful in that I know it has to be at least partially mafia driven. What exactly is scummy about my vote not being on you, considering: A.) it was B.) the massive push i made on marv and C.) what do you mean by the way I treated you? When Palmar initiated the wagon yesterday you were keen on burying me even when I was adressing DMB for example (you defended her post instead). It's something you do on a level of confidence that doesn't match you just casually switching to marv. Even a look at the votecount made me sus of you. I don't think I 'casually' switched to marv, the marv stuff was bothering me for a while. I also think you are mafia FWIW. Particularly after this dramatic entrance. It's not me you have to tell that to. It's a shit wagon on the wrong player This is where you can already start judging who jumps on it. Palmar is probably town in this case. It's the bottom feeders latching to it that are more interesting. Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 23:22 Vivax wrote:
##Vote: Palmar
First vote on mafia probably.
All combinations have Sandro in them though.
DP + Trfel + Sandro for the more tinfoily world
and Palmar + DMB + Sandro for the actual safe scumplay because there's nothing in Palmar's filter not making me thing that his read on Sandro is a bus at best and fake on town at worst. Vivax, what gives?
In this dynamic, the wagon initiator is more frequently town in my experience. I banished that thought cause I think Sandro is inifinitely more scummy and Palmar at this point is just a malevolent push.
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On December 12 2023 00:24 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 23:40 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 23:19 Palmar wrote:On December 11 2023 22:03 marvellosity wrote:
By the way Palmar, or anyone who cares to read. The reason for my responses to DP being low energy is that basically every game we played this year DP has made a mega case on me pointing out inconsistencies and incongruities (that aren’t true) and twisting my entire filter into a scummy narrative.
The thing is, if he does this to me every time we play, sometimes I’m town, sometimes I’m mafia, but DP is only right sometimes because I am sometimes mafia. A broken clock is right twice a day.
It is tiring hearing the same case over and over, as nothing in it ever makes me mafia, he has no idea how to read me, he just makes the same case every game. It’s tedious that that becomes the focal point of my attention, rather than happily bumbling along with my suspicions on sandro and Vivax. Yeah but DP isn't that hard to deal with. Even if you ignore his case and just spend energy on something else that's enough. You aren't doing that and you know it. You haven't even protested being in my shit tier list, because you know I should be thinking exactly this about you. What do I need to spend energy on? You’ve come to the same conclusions as me (except on me). So I’m unsure what you propose I should be doing exactly. Voting Vivax would be a start. Or because you said you'd prefer sandroba, maybe try to get that done? Idk, I'm not your mom
But I’m happy with either lynch, so…
Obviously I know what you’re getting at Palmar, but I don’t and can’t play like the ‘old’ me - if I’m happy with where town is, I won’t make the extra effort to do more stuff just because, which is what I used to do back in the day.
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On December 12 2023 00:50 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 00:19 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 16:57 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 13:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Trfel are you around?
Can you give me your updated reads now you are voting vivax I'm asleep. I think Vivax is the best chance at mafia. His play is very underwhelming and uninspired, in contrast to his town play where he is capable of being a very strong player. He also seems to not care about his relatively poor performance/lack of investmemt. Sandroba and Koshi might be worth considering but I think I like lynching Vivax more by a decent margin. Trfel I had been leaning town from the burst of engagement, but this post really set off some alarms for me. Vivax mentioned that he was weary from the bottom feeders on his wagon, and if I was town Vivax I would definitely be all over this post in particular. The wording, tone and reasoning on this post don't seem to match the rest of his filter. Seems like a formal way to justify a vote, looks like it's fabricated and a chore. It’s a bit over wordy maybe, but so is most of his filter. Out of curiosity then, how would you have expected him to place a vote?
Not sure, it just feels off to me. Now your turn give me something unique
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On December 12 2023 00:43 Palmar wrote:
No DP should not be considered in any immediate scenario. If he's mafia he's well hidden.
For now, he's town.
He will be well hidden if he’s mafia.
I don’t particularly think so at the moment, but it’s possible for sure.
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On December 12 2023 00:53 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 00:39 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 22:16 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 22:14 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 22:06 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 22:04 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 22:00 Vivax wrote:
It's hard to explain but town DP usually glows intensely and is very conscious about steering the thread to where he wants to (which usually isn't a bad direction), here he's more of a bystander who croaks at everything, tone-wise. The way he treated me I find his vote not being on me scummy and out of character.
Holyflare always plays pro-scum no matter the alignment so him hopping onto my wagon with Trfel is NAI at best.
Just got up to rant and give a few unripe thoughts. But having a wagon on myself is helpful in that I know it has to be at least partially mafia driven. What exactly is scummy about my vote not being on you, considering: A.) it was B.) the massive push i made on marv and C.) what do you mean by the way I treated you? When Palmar initiated the wagon yesterday you were keen on burying me even when I was adressing DMB for example (you defended her post instead). It's something you do on a level of confidence that doesn't match you just casually switching to marv. Even a look at the votecount made me sus of you. I don't think I 'casually' switched to marv, the marv stuff was bothering me for a while. I also think you are mafia FWIW. Particularly after this dramatic entrance. It's not me you have to tell that to. It's a shit wagon on the wrong player This is where you can already start judging who jumps on it. Palmar is probably town in this case. It's the bottom feeders latching to it that are more interesting. On December 11 2023 23:22 Vivax wrote:
##Vote: Palmar
First vote on mafia probably.
All combinations have Sandro in them though.
DP + Trfel + Sandro for the more tinfoily world
and Palmar + DMB + Sandro for the actual safe scumplay because there's nothing in Palmar's filter not making me thing that his read on Sandro is a bus at best and fake on town at worst. Vivax, what gives? In this dynamic, the wagon initiator is more frequently town in my experience. I banished that thought cause I think Sandro is inifinitely more scummy and Palmar at this point is just a malevolent push. So you're voting for Palmar but you don't even think he is mafia?
Fair enough, I suppose. Do we still do baby seals around here?
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On December 12 2023 00:54 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 00:50 marvellosity wrote:On December 12 2023 00:19 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 16:57 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 13:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Trfel are you around?
Can you give me your updated reads now you are voting vivax I'm asleep. I think Vivax is the best chance at mafia. His play is very underwhelming and uninspired, in contrast to his town play where he is capable of being a very strong player. He also seems to not care about his relatively poor performance/lack of investmemt. Sandroba and Koshi might be worth considering but I think I like lynching Vivax more by a decent margin. Trfel I had been leaning town from the burst of engagement, but this post really set off some alarms for me. Vivax mentioned that he was weary from the bottom feeders on his wagon, and if I was town Vivax I would definitely be all over this post in particular. The wording, tone and reasoning on this post don't seem to match the rest of his filter. Seems like a formal way to justify a vote, looks like it's fabricated and a chore. It’s a bit over wordy maybe, but so is most of his filter. Out of curiosity then, how would you have expected him to place a vote? Not sure, it just feels off to me. Now your turn give me something unique
But I don’t want to because I can’t believe that’s all you’ve given me… :/
Nostalgia be damned
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On December 12 2023 00:44 Palmar wrote:
What we need is clarity and organization.
The clock is really winding down if anyone wants to lynch someone that isn't Vivax. You need to be aware of the deadlines. It's better to sheep the case for unity if you're town than be a rebel.
I will consolidate when it comes to it, old chap.
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On December 12 2023 00:56 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 00:53 Vivax wrote:On December 12 2023 00:39 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 22:16 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 22:14 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 22:06 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 22:04 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 22:00 Vivax wrote:
It's hard to explain but town DP usually glows intensely and is very conscious about steering the thread to where he wants to (which usually isn't a bad direction), here he's more of a bystander who croaks at everything, tone-wise. The way he treated me I find his vote not being on me scummy and out of character.
Holyflare always plays pro-scum no matter the alignment so him hopping onto my wagon with Trfel is NAI at best.
Just got up to rant and give a few unripe thoughts. But having a wagon on myself is helpful in that I know it has to be at least partially mafia driven. What exactly is scummy about my vote not being on you, considering: A.) it was B.) the massive push i made on marv and C.) what do you mean by the way I treated you? When Palmar initiated the wagon yesterday you were keen on burying me even when I was adressing DMB for example (you defended her post instead). It's something you do on a level of confidence that doesn't match you just casually switching to marv. Even a look at the votecount made me sus of you. I don't think I 'casually' switched to marv, the marv stuff was bothering me for a while. I also think you are mafia FWIW. Particularly after this dramatic entrance. It's not me you have to tell that to. It's a shit wagon on the wrong player This is where you can already start judging who jumps on it. Palmar is probably town in this case. It's the bottom feeders latching to it that are more interesting. On December 11 2023 23:22 Vivax wrote:
##Vote: Palmar
First vote on mafia probably.
All combinations have Sandro in them though.
DP + Trfel + Sandro for the more tinfoily world
and Palmar + DMB + Sandro for the actual safe scumplay because there's nothing in Palmar's filter not making me thing that his read on Sandro is a bus at best and fake on town at worst. Vivax, what gives? In this dynamic, the wagon initiator is more frequently town in my experience. I banished that thought cause I think Sandro is inifinitely more scummy and Palmar at this point is just a malevolent push. So you're voting for Palmar but you don't even think he is mafia? Fair enough, I suppose. Do we still do baby seals around here?
I think he is mafia. I just explained to you why my opinion had a change. That doesn't make anyone mafia.
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marv is just mafia. too lazy to make an effort, which doesn't make sense given how cool this game could be
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On December 12 2023 00:45 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 00:44 sandroba wrote:On December 12 2023 00:32 Palmar wrote:On December 11 2023 23:52 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 22:47 Vivax wrote:
There's nothing exonerating Sandro in his filter.
It's mostly just generic reasons to call me mafia and he can't even find the text pieces to prove what he's saying. I've been far from a blend-in playstyle. This post here also shows a mafia mindset, not arguing against the substance of what I'm saying, which is that his first post he did not read the thread and tried to reach a conclusion about my alignment, but instead he followed thread sentiment and quoted I few things from my post to appear to be contributing. In the post above he dismisses it as generic and quibbles about me not finding text pieces, which is classic mafia sentiment for "you are accusing me for the wrong reasons" This btw is a genuinely very scummy post. Not because of it's context but because of the thought process behind it. Sandroba can easily just say "well Palmar looks town so I go murder train on Vivax", but instead he does "independent research" and comes to the same conclusion to justify his vote. It's forced "case". This is a scummy post if Vivax flips mafia and it's also scummy if Vivax flips town. But the good thing is that it locks in Sandroba's vote on Vivax so I don't care for now. Can only lynch one dude today. The main reason I though you looked town is that you were trying to get traction on vivax, who I thought was likely mafia - not that you were super town and because of that vivax should be mafia - that doesn't make any sense, and I wouldn't trust you without being convinced myself even if I though you were town. Sharing my reasoning there helps me clarify and reassess my thoughts, get feedback from the thread which helps my read and getting reads off others and also helps to convice other players of my desired lynch, all pro town things. The way you are trying to set this up and your reasoning is not making any sense, it feels either like pushing mafia agenda or if you had a pre conceived notion that I must be mafia, which I'm trying to get to the bottom of shush the town people are talking. Be a good boy and keep your vote on Vivax.
I net you are getting a kick out of this
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