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On December 11 2023 23:28 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 23:26 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 23:22 Vivax wrote:
##Vote: Palmar
First vote on mafia probably.
All combinations have Sandro in them though.
DP + Trfel + Sandro for the more tinfoily world
and Palmar + DMB + Sandro for the actual safe scumplay because there's nothing in Palmar's filter not making me thing that his read on Sandro is a bus at best and fake on town at worst. Then why aren’t you voting for sandro, if all combinations involve him? It’s obviously the correct play in the world you’re describing. Because Palmar is more threatening to me and the game in general and has no pressure from anyone else whatsoever. There's nothing in him that warrants a townread though. It's just one of those games where it seems like I'm playing against cliques again so it distorts the scumhunting.
But it makes no sense as your vote is very unlikely to get him lynched and therefore wasted, so surely you should be voting for the person that a) you have a chance of getting lynched today and b) is in all your scumteams…
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On December 11 2023 23:19 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 22:03 marvellosity wrote:
By the way Palmar, or anyone who cares to read. The reason for my responses to DP being low energy is that basically every game we played this year DP has made a mega case on me pointing out inconsistencies and incongruities (that aren’t true) and twisting my entire filter into a scummy narrative.
The thing is, if he does this to me every time we play, sometimes I’m town, sometimes I’m mafia, but DP is only right sometimes because I am sometimes mafia. A broken clock is right twice a day.
It is tiring hearing the same case over and over, as nothing in it ever makes me mafia, he has no idea how to read me, he just makes the same case every game. It’s tedious that that becomes the focal point of my attention, rather than happily bumbling along with my suspicions on sandro and Vivax. Yeah but DP isn't that hard to deal with. Even if you ignore his case and just spend energy on something else that's enough. You aren't doing that and you know it. You haven't even protested being in my shit tier list, because you know I should be thinking exactly this about you.
What do I need to spend energy on?
You’ve come to the same conclusions as me (except on me). So I’m unsure what you propose I should be doing exactly.
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On December 11 2023 23:38 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 23:28 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 23:26 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 23:22 Vivax wrote:
##Vote: Palmar
First vote on mafia probably.
All combinations have Sandro in them though.
DP + Trfel + Sandro for the more tinfoily world
and Palmar + DMB + Sandro for the actual safe scumplay because there's nothing in Palmar's filter not making me thing that his read on Sandro is a bus at best and fake on town at worst. Then why aren’t you voting for sandro, if all combinations involve him? It’s obviously the correct play in the world you’re describing. Because Palmar is more threatening to me and the game in general and has no pressure from anyone else whatsoever. There's nothing in him that warrants a townread though. It's just one of those games where it seems like I'm playing against cliques again so it distorts the scumhunting. But it makes no sense as your vote is very unlikely to get him lynched and therefore wasted, so surely you should be voting for the person that a) you have a chance of getting lynched today and b) is in all your scumteams…
I don't care, call it omgus. But I don't bother against cliques anyway. I believe there'd be people voting me independently of my alignment and that's the sign you should just reduce effort to a minimum because it makes it impossible to take anything seriously anyway.
Apparently it doesn't matter what you write when you got a diva with a flock of lickspittlers posting a vote with zero arguments.
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The argument is that your posts are super boring and he wasn’t the first to make it. (Eg me)
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Hey I'm not a diva and I did tell you about the big words.
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The people are pleased with your suffering Vivax.
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On December 11 2023 22:47 Vivax wrote:
There's nothing exonerating Sandro in his filter.
It's mostly just generic reasons to call me mafia and he can't even find the text pieces to prove what he's saying. I've been far from a blend-in playstyle.
This post here also shows a mafia mindset, not arguing against the substance of what I'm saying, which is that his first post he did not read the thread and tried to reach a conclusion about my alignment, but instead he followed thread sentiment and quoted I few things from my post to appear to be contributing.
In the post above he dismisses it as generic and quibbles about me not finding text pieces, which is classic mafia sentiment for "you are accusing me for the wrong reasons"
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On December 11 2023 23:50 marvellosity wrote:
The argument is that your posts are super boring and he wasn’t the first to make it. (Eg me)
Counterpoint: You actually read them
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And another counterpoint: I get to call all of Sandro, DMB and Palmar mafia first
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On December 11 2023 23:52 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 22:47 Vivax wrote:
There's nothing exonerating Sandro in his filter.
It's mostly just generic reasons to call me mafia and he can't even find the text pieces to prove what he's saying. I've been far from a blend-in playstyle. This post here also shows a mafia mindset, not arguing against the substance of what I'm saying, which is that his first post he did not read the thread and tried to reach a conclusion about my alignment, but instead he followed thread sentiment and quoted I few things from my post to appear to be contributing. In the post above he dismisses it as generic and quibbles about me not finding text pieces, which is classic mafia sentiment for "you are accusing me for the wrong reasons"
Terrible post but good vote.
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@marv you never elaborated on what's so bad about my opening post, nor I see you trying to engage with me on anything and trying to get a read off me
@palmar not sure why you are including me in your scum teams either
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On December 11 2023 23:52 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 22:47 Vivax wrote:
There's nothing exonerating Sandro in his filter.
It's mostly just generic reasons to call me mafia and he can't even find the text pieces to prove what he's saying. I've been far from a blend-in playstyle. This post here also shows a mafia mindset, not arguing against the substance of what I'm saying, which is that his first post he did not read the thread and tried to reach a conclusion about my alignment, but instead he followed thread sentiment and quoted I few things from my post to appear to be contributing. In the post above he dismisses it as generic and quibbles about me not finding text pieces, which is classic mafia sentiment for "you are accusing me for the wrong reasons"
You don't have any holistic view of the game at all you just have a tunnel going on me that someone else conveniently put into place for you.
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On December 11 2023 23:56 sandroba wrote:
@marv you never elaborated on what's so bad about my opening post, nor I see you trying to engage with me on anything and trying to get a read off me
@palmar not sure why you are including me in your scum teams either
I have no need to engage with you as at the moment you haven’t given me a single reason to think you’re town
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On December 11 2023 05:23 sandroba wrote:
marv and holyflare not very impressive atm. Palmar is normal I guess
You can't call these reads
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On December 11 2023 20:36 Palmar wrote:
I promised a list post earlier, so here's some Palmar thoughts:
I am not lynching Slam today. My 100% town read is obviously overblown but I think in general he is ok. I have become more suspicious of him recently but he's firmly in the list of unlynchables today.
I am not lynching Trfel. My initial call still makes sense, mafia doesn't excitedly want to dump their shit in the thread. Mafia dreads posting. He's also been active albeit not very useful.
I an not lynching DP today. His effort is high, his reads are mostly decent and his entire thread presence looks like someone that's actually trying. Love him stirring shit up like this.
I am not lynching dmb today, if only for the fact that he's so annoyed at me for being me, yet still agrees through "independent research" that Vivax should be killed. You're a strong independent person!
I am not lynching Koshi today. I went through his filter and he pretty much sees the game exactly as I do. He's half-assedly trying to break up what I agree are TvT fights. He calls Vivax boring before I do. Pretty good performance.
I am not lynching rayn today. He's looked town for a while and immediately recognized me being town without any qualifiers or anything.
This leaves the following list:
Vivax
Marv
Sandroba
Chezinu
Holyflare
Out of those Chezinu is just a crapshoot lynch if we have nothing better. We absolutely have something better. Holyflare hasn't really done much but I also have not really spotted any reason to kill him right now.
If I was to guess a mafia team on this day 1 it'd be Vivax, Marv, Sandroba.
I've somewhat said things about Sandroba and Vivax. The problem I have with marv is his unenthusiastic response to the Vivax accusation. Throw in the defeat-ist response just now to DP's case. It's not hard to tell a towny he's an idiot, but marv seems almost... too tired?
I think the case against Vivax is the strongest one. I'll see if I can find time to flesh it out a little bit more into an actual case, but his filter is just sooo sooo boring and terrible. He's absolutely not trying to solve the game. As a side note, and this is mostly a personal thing, when I made my first list post I had opinions on pretty much everyone that has posted EXCEPT for Vivax. That's how unremarkable his contributions were.
Unremarkable and boring is almost always mafia.
As a side note, I had completely forgotten how rayn is like only 99% literate. It's hilarious the semantics and shit he gets stuck on and argues with.
I'm pretty happy with this day one.
Ok you convince me
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On December 11 2023 20:42 DarthPunk wrote:If you can't be bothered reading the big post (you really fucking should) This is a snapshot. a pretty egregious case of incongruence: Rayn asks for an opinion on holyflare. Marv is.... Non-commital. Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am gonna take a little break. My feet have been cold for like 3 days because of shitty socks, and i just want to go to sauna now that i can. Will be back in an hour.
If anyone would like to have an opinion on Holyflare, and especially on what i said on him, i would appreciate. Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 06:49 marvellosity wrote:
I admit I can’t make much of any of it… Two unrelated posts later. Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 07:34 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 06:35 Trfel wrote:
I think at this point I'd be okay with lynching Koshi (if he is going to play like this), and potentially okay with lynching DarthPunk. Sandroba's recent set of posts were more interesting to me, I didn't necessarily agree with everything he was saying but it helps me to put together his mindset/approach. Holyflare's point that he's focusing on defending himself from presumed incorrect accusations instead of actually finding mafia or being productive is strong, now that he's actually shared suspicions I look forward to him coming back tomorrow. Vivax I could definitely see being mafia but I don't think I want to lynch him as much as Koshi or DarthPunk at this point. Holyflare is not townie in any way, in any point of his game. He might be misguided as fuck but never ever has he done anything townie. Not sure I agree, I can follow his thoughts 7B Marv thinks holyflare is town, or at least not mafia because he can follow his thoughts. Why does Marv not say that in the first place? Why does he say nothing at all when it is clear he in fact has something to say?between those posts, holyflare had not posted a thing. not bad,
I like palmar's better
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On December 12 2023 00:01 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 23:56 sandroba wrote:
@marv you never elaborated on what's so bad about my opening post, nor I see you trying to engage with me on anything and trying to get a read off me
@palmar not sure why you are including me in your scum teams either I have no need to engage with you as at the moment you haven’t given me a single reason to think you’re town
Same here, but I'm still trying to engage. Having a hard time attributing why you are being so dismissive and disengaged to anything other than you being mafia.
We haven't played together in a long time I would expect nostalgia to motivate you somewhat to want to play with me (at least it does on my end), but I'm seeing some incongruency from my expectations of how you would behave.
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On December 12 2023 00:05 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 23:56 sandroba wrote:
@marv you never elaborated on what's so bad about my opening post, nor I see you trying to engage with me on anything and trying to get a read off me
@palmar not sure why you are including me in your scum teams either I have no need to engage with you as at the moment you haven’t given me a single reason to think you’re town Same here, but I'm still trying to engage. Having a hard time attributing why you are being so dismissive and disengaged to anything other than you being mafia. We haven't played together in a long time I would expect nostalgia to motivate you somewhat to want to play with me (at least it does on my end), but I'm seeing some incongruency from my expectations of how you would behave.
Okay okay okay.
Removing me, you, Vivax from the equation, who is interesting to you?
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On December 11 2023 22:03 marvellosity wrote:
By the way Palmar, or anyone who cares to read. The reason for my responses to DP being low energy is that basically every game we played this year DP has made a mega case on me pointing out inconsistencies and incongruities (that aren’t true) and twisting my entire filter into a scummy narrative.
The thing is, if he does this to me every time we play, sometimes I’m town, sometimes I’m mafia, but DP is only right sometimes because I am sometimes mafia. A broken clock is right twice a day.
It is tiring hearing the same case over and over, as nothing in it ever makes me mafia, he has no idea how to read me, he just makes the same case every game. It’s tedious that that becomes the focal point of my attention, rather than happily bumbling along with my suspicions on sandro and Vivax.
I can see this. Y'all even reference it early.
Vivax
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On December 11 2023 22:04 Vivax wrote:
I also plan on being entertaining when the mood is right, unlike pornstars you don't see my jokes coming from miles away. Right now the mood is that there's a lot of, pardon, excrement tier of information flying about and I'd rather find mafia without having to read every single post in here cause some guys I won't call out write like they wake up every morning with an adderall IV drip in their veins.
😁
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