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On December 11 2023 21:09 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 20:42 DarthPunk wrote:If you can't be bothered reading the big post (you really fucking should) This is a snapshot. a pretty egregious case of incongruence: Rayn asks for an opinion on holyflare. Marv is.... Non-commital. On December 11 2023 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am gonna take a little break. My feet have been cold for like 3 days because of shitty socks, and i just want to go to sauna now that i can. Will be back in an hour.
If anyone would like to have an opinion on Holyflare, and especially on what i said on him, i would appreciate. On December 11 2023 06:49 marvellosity wrote:
I admit I can’t make much of any of it… Two unrelated posts later. On December 11 2023 07:34 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 06:35 Trfel wrote:
I think at this point I'd be okay with lynching Koshi (if he is going to play like this), and potentially okay with lynching DarthPunk. Sandroba's recent set of posts were more interesting to me, I didn't necessarily agree with everything he was saying but it helps me to put together his mindset/approach. Holyflare's point that he's focusing on defending himself from presumed incorrect accusations instead of actually finding mafia or being productive is strong, now that he's actually shared suspicions I look forward to him coming back tomorrow. Vivax I could definitely see being mafia but I don't think I want to lynch him as much as Koshi or DarthPunk at this point. Holyflare is not townie in any way, in any point of his game. He might be misguided as fuck but never ever has he done anything townie. Not sure I agree, I can follow his thoughts Marv thinks holyflare is town, or at least not mafia because he can follow his thoughts. Why does Marv not say that in the first place? Why does he say nothing at all when it is clear he in fact has something to say?between those posts, holyflare had not posted a thing. what it means, DP, is that I could not make much of the shit rayn was throwing at HF. Following up with leaning town on Hf is entirely consistent with this
The truth is rayn asked for reads on holyflare, he was trying to invite you into a dialogue and you failed to mention that you were leaning town on him for some reason, until two posts later you did.
You know what I did? I went back and tried to figure out wtf rayn was going on about, I read his filter, and I realized the point he was trying to make.
You are not engaged with the game, that is the primary point.
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On December 11 2023 21:20 Holyflare wrote:
Slam
Palmar
Koshi
DarthPunk
die_meatbaby
Trfel
Raynpelikoneet
All of the above have some kind of reasonable series of posts that give them plausible deniability from being mafia, or at least that I think have posted things that I can see as even townie. Some of them even at multiple points (slam, DP etc).
It leaves me with:
marvellosity
Vivax
Chezinu
Sandroba
Sure, there's the chance that you're the town in this 4, and it's actually quite a high possibility(!) but I haven't seen the things comparatively that the other players above have given to cross you off the list. Which is crazy considering koshi and slam are in it.
Vivax's posts are boring, he also has no proper engagement. Sandro similarly, more concerned with trying to look ok than solve the game. Chezinu is whatever, religious nonsense.
Good post.
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Day One Vote Count
Vivax (5): Palmar, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, Trfel, sandroba, Holyflare
marvellosity (2): Koshi, DarthPunk
sandroba (1): Vivax, marvellosity
Trfel (1): DarthPunk, DarthPunk, Alakaslam, DarthPunk
Holyflare (1): raynpelikoneet
Koshi (0): Holyflare, DarthPunk
raynpelikoneet (0): Holyflare, Vivax
Not Voting (2): Chezinu, Vivax
With 5 votes, Vivax is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Tuesday, Dec 12 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
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On December 11 2023 09:18 Vivax wrote:Rayn has made a few observations I could see coming from town. I don't want to read DP either way yet. Or at least I don't think I can. Discussing HFs alignment on D1 is pointless you either lynch him because he's HF or you don't, but not because he's town. Palmar + Slam lists looked reasonable to me, mostly. + Show Spoiler +On December 11 2023 02:10 Palmar wrote:
Quick list post:
Slam
Palmar
Marv
Rayn
Trfel
DP
Sandroba
Haven't thought about Vivax, and Koshi, die_meatbaby (I need a shorthand for that...) HF and Chez haven't really said anything.
It is a little suspicious that Chez hasn't tried to form a multinational corporation hellbent on world takeover though.
On December 11 2023 08:31 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 08:28 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 08:24 Alakaslam wrote:On December 11 2023 08:06 DarthPunk wrote:
Slam is chez town? Leaning toward a hard yes but can't give a hard yes yet. He is no fool, but he can fool... Any other reads?> Yes. Koshi town. You (DP) town. Rayn town. Palmar town. Holyflare possible scum but 1. I have a fear negative bias out of respect for his scum play and 2. He has been culling that in me, but 3. 1 makes this wifom. Trfel possible scum. The rest are unclear enough for me to not provide reads. When reading Sandro, I don't see it explained why he assumes that I'm his worst voter.
This is possibly the worst post vivax has made. Really low commitment to calling rayn town, with enough of a way out to back off from it.
Pretty sure he slips that I'm town here too.
The Sandro post is ??? Literally no conclusions about Sandro, it's just a statement. In fact these are all just pointless statements.
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On December 11 2023 20:42 DarthPunk wrote:If you can't be bothered reading the big post (you really fucking should) This is a snapshot. a pretty egregious case of incongruence: Rayn asks for an opinion on holyflare. Marv is.... Non-commital. Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am gonna take a little break. My feet have been cold for like 3 days because of shitty socks, and i just want to go to sauna now that i can. Will be back in an hour.
If anyone would like to have an opinion on Holyflare, and especially on what i said on him, i would appreciate. Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 06:49 marvellosity wrote:
I admit I can’t make much of any of it… Two unrelated posts later. Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 07:34 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 06:35 Trfel wrote:
I think at this point I'd be okay with lynching Koshi (if he is going to play like this), and potentially okay with lynching DarthPunk. Sandroba's recent set of posts were more interesting to me, I didn't necessarily agree with everything he was saying but it helps me to put together his mindset/approach. Holyflare's point that he's focusing on defending himself from presumed incorrect accusations instead of actually finding mafia or being productive is strong, now that he's actually shared suspicions I look forward to him coming back tomorrow. Vivax I could definitely see being mafia but I don't think I want to lynch him as much as Koshi or DarthPunk at this point. Holyflare is not townie in any way, in any point of his game. He might be misguided as fuck but never ever has he done anything townie. Not sure I agree, I can follow his thoughts Marv thinks holyflare is town, or at least not mafia because he can follow his thoughts. Why does Marv not say that in the first place? Why does he say nothing at all when it is clear he in fact has something to say?between those posts, holyflare had not posted a thing.
I don't think this is as strong a point as you're making it out to be btw. He says he can't make much of Rayn's points about me and then denies rayn calling me mafia by saying he can follow my thought process (something you say you use to see if someone is townie too). Context is important here.
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On December 11 2023 20:28 Holyflare wrote:
Also idk if this was clarified anywhere but is it 2 mafia or 3 with 12 people? Assuming 2
9 town and 3 mafia.
I've edited that into the OP now.
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DP is scum probably.
Cba to attempt to be less boring in this company lmao. The way the wagon on me formed is a total hellspawn and maybe there's a bit of fun to be had with rayn, Koshi and marv.
I claim VT.
I would also destroy Palmar in an MMA match fyi.
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It's been a while since I had one of those tiny Icelanders
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On December 11 2023 21:51 Vivax wrote:
DP is scum probably.
Cba to attempt to be less boring in this company lmao. The way the wagon on me formed is a total hellspawn and maybe there's a bit of fun to be had with rayn, Koshi and marv.
I claim VT.
I would also destroy Palmar in an MMA match fyi.
why dp?
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It's hard to explain but town DP usually glows intensely and is very conscious about steering the thread to where he wants to (which usually isn't a bad direction), here he's more of a bystander who croaks at everything, tone-wise. The way he treated me I find his vote not being on me scummy and out of character.
Holyflare always plays pro-scum no matter the alignment so him hopping onto my wagon with Trfel is NAI at best.
Just got up to rant and give a few unripe thoughts. But having a wagon on myself is helpful in that I know it has to be at least partially mafia driven.
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On December 11 2023 21:38 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 20:42 DarthPunk wrote:If you can't be bothered reading the big post (you really fucking should) This is a snapshot. a pretty egregious case of incongruence: Rayn asks for an opinion on holyflare. Marv is.... Non-commital. On December 11 2023 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am gonna take a little break. My feet have been cold for like 3 days because of shitty socks, and i just want to go to sauna now that i can. Will be back in an hour.
If anyone would like to have an opinion on Holyflare, and especially on what i said on him, i would appreciate. On December 11 2023 06:49 marvellosity wrote:
I admit I can’t make much of any of it… Two unrelated posts later. On December 11 2023 07:34 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 06:35 Trfel wrote:
I think at this point I'd be okay with lynching Koshi (if he is going to play like this), and potentially okay with lynching DarthPunk. Sandroba's recent set of posts were more interesting to me, I didn't necessarily agree with everything he was saying but it helps me to put together his mindset/approach. Holyflare's point that he's focusing on defending himself from presumed incorrect accusations instead of actually finding mafia or being productive is strong, now that he's actually shared suspicions I look forward to him coming back tomorrow. Vivax I could definitely see being mafia but I don't think I want to lynch him as much as Koshi or DarthPunk at this point. Holyflare is not townie in any way, in any point of his game. He might be misguided as fuck but never ever has he done anything townie. Not sure I agree, I can follow his thoughts Marv thinks holyflare is town, or at least not mafia because he can follow his thoughts. Why does Marv not say that in the first place? Why does he say nothing at all when it is clear he in fact has something to say?between those posts, holyflare had not posted a thing. I don't think this is as strong a point as you're making it out to be btw. He says he can't make much of Rayn's points about me and then denies rayn calling me mafia by saying he can follow my thought process (something you say you use to see if someone is townie too). Context is important here.
OK I can see how that works.
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By the way Palmar, or anyone who cares to read. The reason for my responses to DP being low energy is that basically every game we played this year DP has made a mega case on me pointing out inconsistencies and incongruities (that aren’t true) and twisting my entire filter into a scummy narrative.
The thing is, if he does this to me every time we play, sometimes I’m town, sometimes I’m mafia, but DP is only right sometimes because I am sometimes mafia. A broken clock is right twice a day.
It is tiring hearing the same case over and over, as nothing in it ever makes me mafia, he has no idea how to read me, he just makes the same case every game. It’s tedious that that becomes the focal point of my attention, rather than happily bumbling along with my suspicions on sandro and Vivax.
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On December 11 2023 22:00 Vivax wrote:
It's hard to explain but town DP usually glows intensely and is very conscious about steering the thread to where he wants to (which usually isn't a bad direction), here he's more of a bystander who croaks at everything, tone-wise. The way he treated me I find his vote not being on me scummy and out of character.
Holyflare always plays pro-scum no matter the alignment so him hopping onto my wagon with Trfel is NAI at best.
Just got up to rant and give a few unripe thoughts. But having a wagon on myself is helpful in that I know it has to be at least partially mafia driven.
What exactly is scummy about my vote not being on you, considering:
A.) it was
B.) the massive push i made on marv
and
C.) what do you mean by the way I treated you?
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On December 11 2023 22:02 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 21:38 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2023 20:42 DarthPunk wrote:If you can't be bothered reading the big post (you really fucking should) This is a snapshot. a pretty egregious case of incongruence: Rayn asks for an opinion on holyflare. Marv is.... Non-commital. On December 11 2023 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am gonna take a little break. My feet have been cold for like 3 days because of shitty socks, and i just want to go to sauna now that i can. Will be back in an hour.
If anyone would like to have an opinion on Holyflare, and especially on what i said on him, i would appreciate. On December 11 2023 06:49 marvellosity wrote:
I admit I can’t make much of any of it… Two unrelated posts later. On December 11 2023 07:34 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 06:35 Trfel wrote:
I think at this point I'd be okay with lynching Koshi (if he is going to play like this), and potentially okay with lynching DarthPunk. Sandroba's recent set of posts were more interesting to me, I didn't necessarily agree with everything he was saying but it helps me to put together his mindset/approach. Holyflare's point that he's focusing on defending himself from presumed incorrect accusations instead of actually finding mafia or being productive is strong, now that he's actually shared suspicions I look forward to him coming back tomorrow. Vivax I could definitely see being mafia but I don't think I want to lynch him as much as Koshi or DarthPunk at this point. Holyflare is not townie in any way, in any point of his game. He might be misguided as fuck but never ever has he done anything townie. Not sure I agree, I can follow his thoughts Marv thinks holyflare is town, or at least not mafia because he can follow his thoughts. Why does Marv not say that in the first place? Why does he say nothing at all when it is clear he in fact has something to say?between those posts, holyflare had not posted a thing. I don't think this is as strong a point as you're making it out to be btw. He says he can't make much of Rayn's points about me and then denies rayn calling me mafia by saying he can follow my thought process (something you say you use to see if someone is townie too). Context is important here. OK I can see how that works.
I already explained this. Thanks for ignoring that and responding to Hf though.
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I also plan on being entertaining when the mood is right, unlike pornstars you don't see my jokes coming from miles away. Right now the mood is that there's a lot of, pardon, excrement tier of information flying about and I'd rather find mafia without having to read every single post in here cause some guys I won't call out write like they wake up every morning with an adderall IV drip in their veins.
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On December 11 2023 22:04 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 22:00 Vivax wrote:
It's hard to explain but town DP usually glows intensely and is very conscious about steering the thread to where he wants to (which usually isn't a bad direction), here he's more of a bystander who croaks at everything, tone-wise. The way he treated me I find his vote not being on me scummy and out of character.
Holyflare always plays pro-scum no matter the alignment so him hopping onto my wagon with Trfel is NAI at best.
Just got up to rant and give a few unripe thoughts. But having a wagon on myself is helpful in that I know it has to be at least partially mafia driven. What exactly is scummy about my vote not being on you, considering: A.) it was B.) the massive push i made on marv and C.) what do you mean by the way I treated you?
When Palmar initiated the wagon yesterday you were keen on burying me even when I was adressing DMB for example (you defended her post instead).
It's something you do on a level of confidence that doesn't match you just casually switching to marv. Even a look at the votecount made me sus of you.
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With where your head should be, a Trfel wagon seemed to be your main choice but you turn out to be happier with wagons on me and marv?
Doesn't really make sense when there's better choices for a D1. It's like you are comfortable with a chaotic thread. Same goes for Palmar who started a wagon without a case of any sort.
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I mean Vivax I did make a pretty good case, otherwise people wouldn't be sheeping it.
I used at least 10 words and at minimum 3 of them were big words.
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On December 11 2023 22:03 marvellosity wrote:
By the way Palmar, or anyone who cares to read. The reason for my responses to DP being low energy is that basically every game we played this year DP has made a mega case on me pointing out inconsistencies and incongruities (that aren’t true) and twisting my entire filter into a scummy narrative.
The thing is, if he does this to me every time we play, sometimes I’m town, sometimes I’m mafia, but DP is only right sometimes because I am sometimes mafia. A broken clock is right twice a day.
It is tiring hearing the same case over and over, as nothing in it ever makes me mafia, he has no idea how to read me, he just makes the same case every game. It’s tedious that that becomes the focal point of my attention, rather than happily bumbling along with my suspicions on sandro and Vivax.
This is not really true. Last game you were mafia, I didn't really make a case on you. (I turned on TTT remember) and then you resigned.
The game before you were mafia and it was more about inconsistent reads (or reads for no reason) than really activity or engagement. I also avoided making a case on you, and didn't do so until late that game because I was cautions having mis-lynched you the previous game.
The game before that you were town and I did mislynch you. :Shrug: Yea I was wrong.
I don't think it's really a fair representation of what happened, although you could certainly feel that way, I do think in your two mafia games I was pocketed by you for a large portion of the game.
Anyway. That is my 2 cents about that. If I am wrong this time, I will probably just dump you back in the two hard basket for a while and give you some peace.
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On December 11 2023 22:04 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 22:02 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 21:38 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2023 20:42 DarthPunk wrote:If you can't be bothered reading the big post (you really fucking should) This is a snapshot. a pretty egregious case of incongruence: Rayn asks for an opinion on holyflare. Marv is.... Non-commital. On December 11 2023 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am gonna take a little break. My feet have been cold for like 3 days because of shitty socks, and i just want to go to sauna now that i can. Will be back in an hour.
If anyone would like to have an opinion on Holyflare, and especially on what i said on him, i would appreciate. On December 11 2023 06:49 marvellosity wrote:
I admit I can’t make much of any of it… Two unrelated posts later. On December 11 2023 07:34 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 06:35 Trfel wrote:
I think at this point I'd be okay with lynching Koshi (if he is going to play like this), and potentially okay with lynching DarthPunk. Sandroba's recent set of posts were more interesting to me, I didn't necessarily agree with everything he was saying but it helps me to put together his mindset/approach. Holyflare's point that he's focusing on defending himself from presumed incorrect accusations instead of actually finding mafia or being productive is strong, now that he's actually shared suspicions I look forward to him coming back tomorrow. Vivax I could definitely see being mafia but I don't think I want to lynch him as much as Koshi or DarthPunk at this point. Holyflare is not townie in any way, in any point of his game. He might be misguided as fuck but never ever has he done anything townie. Not sure I agree, I can follow his thoughts Marv thinks holyflare is town, or at least not mafia because he can follow his thoughts. Why does Marv not say that in the first place? Why does he say nothing at all when it is clear he in fact has something to say?between those posts, holyflare had not posted a thing. I don't think this is as strong a point as you're making it out to be btw. He says he can't make much of Rayn's points about me and then denies rayn calling me mafia by saying he can follow my thought process (something you say you use to see if someone is townie too). Context is important here. OK I can see how that works. I already explained this. Thanks for ignoring that and responding to Hf though.
Sometimes it takes two :D
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