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Holyflare
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DarthPunk
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On December 11 2023 20:27 Holyflare wrote: Agree with your case probably meaning something DP with the caveat that idk how new marv plays anymore because we're all old and have little involvement with the game to the same extent as we used to so not sure how old meta really applies here. Have you seen new marv be town? Yeah, I have played 3 1/2 games here since I came back, marv was town in 1 and a half of those, (one game was aborted after the scum team was leaked) we went to almost the endgame together each time. It's a small sample size in a way, but its also a lot of time playing together. I am not using old meta that much, more what I noticed during the past few games and his lack of engagement, direction and proactivity as mafia. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10847 Posts
On December 11 2023 20:26 marvellosity wrote: Actually much more similar to day 2 where I was happy with a VE Lynch and just hopped on that bandwagon. Sometimes it’s just a normal thing to do. It's a death by a thousand cuts though sadly, there is just no real example of you doing really much of anything, and lots of examples of you actively not doing something. I think it's hard for you, because as town you have a presence that you may not even be aware of, but others are and it's probably really hard to fake. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
I am not lynching Slam today. My 100% town read is obviously overblown but I think in general he is ok. I have become more suspicious of him recently but he's firmly in the list of unlynchables today. I am not lynching Trfel. My initial call still makes sense, mafia doesn't excitedly want to dump their shit in the thread. Mafia dreads posting. He's also been active albeit not very useful. I an not lynching DP today. His effort is high, his reads are mostly decent and his entire thread presence looks like someone that's actually trying. Love him stirring shit up like this. I am not lynching dmb today, if only for the fact that he's so annoyed at me for being me, yet still agrees through "independent research" that Vivax should be killed. You're a strong independent person! I am not lynching Koshi today. I went through his filter and he pretty much sees the game exactly as I do. He's half-assedly trying to break up what I agree are TvT fights. He calls Vivax boring before I do. Pretty good performance. I am not lynching rayn today. He's looked town for a while and immediately recognized me being town without any qualifiers or anything. This leaves the following list: Vivax Marv Sandroba Chezinu Holyflare Out of those Chezinu is just a crapshoot lynch if we have nothing better. We absolutely have something better. Holyflare hasn't really done much but I also have not really spotted any reason to kill him right now. If I was to guess a mafia team on this day 1 it'd be Vivax, Marv, Sandroba. I've somewhat said things about Sandroba and Vivax. The problem I have with marv is his unenthusiastic response to the Vivax accusation. Throw in the defeat-ist response just now to DP's case. It's not hard to tell a towny he's an idiot, but marv seems almost... too tired? I think the case against Vivax is the strongest one. I'll see if I can find time to flesh it out a little bit more into an actual case, but his filter is just sooo sooo boring and terrible. He's absolutely not trying to solve the game. As a side note, and this is mostly a personal thing, when I made my first list post I had opinions on pretty much everyone that has posted EXCEPT for Vivax. That's how unremarkable his contributions were. Unremarkable and boring is almost always mafia. As a side note, I had completely forgotten how rayn is like only 99% literate. It's hilarious the semantics and shit he gets stuck on and argues with. I'm pretty happy with this day one. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
But that's still great odds. I humbly suggest we consider me god-emperor of this town. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On December 11 2023 20:28 Holyflare wrote: Also idk if this was clarified anywhere but is it 2 mafia or 3 with 12 people? Assuming 2 It's 3 | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10847 Posts
This is a snapshot. a pretty egregious case of incongruence: Rayn asks for an opinion on holyflare. Marv is.... Non-commital. On December 11 2023 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am gonna take a little break. My feet have been cold for like 3 days because of shitty socks, and i just want to go to sauna now that i can. Will be back in an hour. If anyone would like to have an opinion on Holyflare, and especially on what i said on him, i would appreciate. On December 11 2023 06:49 marvellosity wrote: I admit I can’t make much of any of it… Two unrelated posts later. On December 11 2023 07:34 marvellosity wrote: Not sure I agree, I can follow his thoughts Marv thinks holyflare is town, or at least not mafia because he can follow his thoughts. Why does Marv not say that in the first place? Why does he say nothing at all when it is clear he in fact has something to say? between those posts, holyflare had not posted a thing. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10847 Posts
On December 11 2023 20:13 marvellosity wrote: I’m looking forward to this! Match with this: On December 11 2023 20:16 marvellosity wrote: Skimmed the whole thing. Only thing I want to say is re: Vivax. The 6th post of my filter (p1 somewhere anyway) is asking Trfel about Vivax, and not far down the 2nd page I am calling Vivax out. This was yesterday. Let’s not pretend I am suddenly randomly thinking Vivax is mafia out of nowhere, eh? Not really. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10847 Posts
On December 11 2023 20:23 marvellosity wrote: Same difference. I don’t happen to have more chess matches as mafia. I will mention something that takes me away from the game at end of day cycle 100% of the time as either. It's actually really different. On one hand I am lying in order to make you look bad, the other I am making an observation of your, perhaps unknown, tendencies. | ||
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DarthPunk
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On December 11 2023 20:49 DarthPunk wrote: It's actually really different. On one hand I am lying in order to make you look bad, the other I am making an observation of your, perhaps unknown, tendencies. +1 | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
I’m low key more suspicious of HF for agreeing with DP than I am DP | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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Palmar
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On December 11 2023 20:42 DarthPunk wrote: what it means, DP, is that I could not make much of the shit rayn was throwing at HF. If you can't be bothered reading the big post (you really fucking should) This is a snapshot. a pretty egregious case of incongruence: Rayn asks for an opinion on holyflare. Marv is.... Non-commital. Two unrelated posts later. Marv thinks holyflare is town, or at least not mafia because he can follow his thoughts. Why does Marv not say that in the first place? Why does he say nothing at all when it is clear he in fact has something to say? between those posts, holyflare had not posted a thing. Following up with leaning town on Hf is entirely consistent with this | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On December 11 2023 21:07 marvellosity wrote: I mean if it’s Vivax and sandro and I’m gonna get lynched for the conclusions everyone else arrived at, so be it… I’m low key more suspicious of HF for agreeing with DP than I am DP I like your posts, more so because they defended me and seemed reasonable but it's undeniable that you seem low effort and it's also undeniable that you tried to prescribe intent to DP's case by saying he was lying about you, when it wasn't the case. In a world where I'm starting to see more townie actiosn from people, you fall lower and lower down the totem pole because of it. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On December 11 2023 21:14 Holyflare wrote: I like your posts, more so because they defended me and seemed reasonable but it's undeniable that you seem low effort and it's also undeniable that you tried to prescribe intent to DP's case by saying he was lying about you, when it wasn't the case. In a world where I'm starting to see more townie actiosn from people, you fall lower and lower down the totem pole because of it. Back at you | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
Palmar Koshi DarthPunk die_meatbaby Trfel Raynpelikoneet All of the above have some kind of reasonable series of posts that give them plausible deniability from being mafia, or at least that I think have posted things that I can see as even townie. Some of them even at multiple points (slam, DP etc). It leaves me with: marvellosity Vivax Chezinu Sandroba Sure, there's the chance that you're the town in this 4, and it's actually quite a high possibility(!) but I haven't seen the things comparatively that the other players above have given to cross you off the list. Which is crazy considering koshi and slam are in it. Vivax's posts are boring, he also has no proper engagement. Sandro similarly, more concerned with trying to look ok than solve the game. Chezinu is whatever, religious nonsense. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
ya fair, I don't play mafia anymore for a reason :D | ||
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