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Palmar's guide to lynching Vivax
Why we should lynch Vivax
The case has been made pretty well by more people than me. The gist of it is that his early filter simply doesn't look like he's actually trying to solve the game. He's just floating along and asking boring questions. a particularly egregious one is this one:
On December 11 2023 04:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 03:37 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax, Koshi, chez, sandro, meatbaby and palmar is a good list of LHF to get through for the time being. Maybe throw in a rayn in there but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Palmar and rayn probably the weakest in being in this list so will see what they get up to while I work throw the others. Why this phrasing.
Like... who cares dude? How is this a thing?
Then there's all the commentary on the thread "Palmar seems sure of himself" (no shit?), "rayn doesn't look eager for conclusions." Some random questions to random people with no appearance of any kind of critical thread he's chasing.
I'm not gonna make a massive case because the essence is pretty much this:
On December 11 2023 10:30 Palmar wrote:
Jesus it’s so bad. Pointless commentary, terrible questions. Lots of nothing and very boring to boot. I didn’t laugh once.
We found our first mafia boys. Get in while it’s still cool
On December 11 2023 04:33 Koshi wrote:
Vivax try to be slightly more fun. I would love you to not be mafia but you are painful to read.
Like I honestly can't think of a more deserving day 1 lynch. Also for people who think "blue hunting" is a thing:
On December 11 2023 10:39 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
DMB thoughts on Vivax?
Usually you are the first one to want to kill him with fire as soon as he looks at you a bit funny. The problem is he looks so fucking scummy right now but i am not sure if i miss a blue point here. Defently not so green, but not worth a vote (for now)
Which it obviously isn't and thinking this way is a very bad way of playing the game, Vivax already claimed VT so who cares.
I have some reasons not to lynch all the other candidates (well maybe not sandroba, but whatever). Marv and HF will reveal themselves to be mafia if they are, and Chez would just be a default lynch if we had no options.
Vivax is objectively the best lynch because I can't think of a single reason to keep him alive...
How we should lynch Vivax
If you're town your vote should be on Vivax and because of the weird deadline we should be incredibly resistant to shenanigans. If we last minute derail the lynch the chances are going down the drain we hit mafia AND it will reduce the information we have from the voting, even if I'm wrong (I'm not).
The reason we lose information is that bunch of people will be sleeping at the deadline and thus cannot commit one way or another in any last minute vote train.
If you don't agree with killing Vivax you need to present your findings as soon as possible, there really isn't that much left in the day.
We don't need Rambo players in this town going after their own lynch. You're only allowed to be town and not vote Vivax if you can make the case that he isn't mafia. Just making a case one someone else (like DP on Marv) isn't enough. This isn't about bragging rights, it's about maintaining control.
Also the first person who talks about the wagon being too easy should be shot.
What Vivax's death means
This is the hard part. If he flips mafia we get a bunch of good information. If he is mafia his friends have long since thrown him under the bus. Don't expect to find mafia in the resistance to the Vivax mafia lynch.
If he flips town it's more likely to find mafia in the resistance, but probably among the less vocal resistance. People who seem unsure or claim to be happy to lynch Vivax but maybe want to lynch someone else? Those are the people you need to focus on.
People who blindly sheep the case or do it because they genuinely believe in it are more likely to be town, regardless of alignment. Remember of course to only use the information up to this post, as I've just told the mafia how to appear town :D
Honestly even if Vivax flips town I don't think I need to reconsider my list of people all that much. There's still people who are following the case in a townie way and scummy way.
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On December 11 2023 23:40 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 23:19 Palmar wrote:On December 11 2023 22:03 marvellosity wrote:
By the way Palmar, or anyone who cares to read. The reason for my responses to DP being low energy is that basically every game we played this year DP has made a mega case on me pointing out inconsistencies and incongruities (that aren’t true) and twisting my entire filter into a scummy narrative.
The thing is, if he does this to me every time we play, sometimes I’m town, sometimes I’m mafia, but DP is only right sometimes because I am sometimes mafia. A broken clock is right twice a day.
It is tiring hearing the same case over and over, as nothing in it ever makes me mafia, he has no idea how to read me, he just makes the same case every game. It’s tedious that that becomes the focal point of my attention, rather than happily bumbling along with my suspicions on sandro and Vivax. Yeah but DP isn't that hard to deal with. Even if you ignore his case and just spend energy on something else that's enough. You aren't doing that and you know it. You haven't even protested being in my shit tier list, because you know I should be thinking exactly this about you. What do I need to spend energy on? You’ve come to the same conclusions as me (except on me). So I’m unsure what you propose I should be doing exactly.
Voting Vivax would be a start.
Or because you said you'd prefer sandroba, maybe try to get that done?
Idk, I'm not your mom
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On December 11 2023 23:56 sandroba wrote:
@palmar not sure why you are including me in your scum teams either
That'd be because you're mafia
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On December 12 2023 00:26 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 00:25 Palmar wrote:On December 11 2023 23:56 sandroba wrote:
@palmar not sure why you are including me in your scum teams either That'd be because you're mafia ... that you're attempting to save in a only so slightly impressive fashion.
I mean you also mafia, what can a guy do?
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I have no illusions of grandeur. Very much real.
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On December 11 2023 23:52 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 22:47 Vivax wrote:
There's nothing exonerating Sandro in his filter.
It's mostly just generic reasons to call me mafia and he can't even find the text pieces to prove what he's saying. I've been far from a blend-in playstyle. This post here also shows a mafia mindset, not arguing against the substance of what I'm saying, which is that his first post he did not read the thread and tried to reach a conclusion about my alignment, but instead he followed thread sentiment and quoted I few things from my post to appear to be contributing. In the post above he dismisses it as generic and quibbles about me not finding text pieces, which is classic mafia sentiment for "you are accusing me for the wrong reasons"
This btw is a genuinely very scummy post. Not because of it's context but because of the thought process behind it.
Sandroba can easily just say "well Palmar looks town so I go murder train on Vivax", but instead he does "independent research" and comes to the same conclusion to justify his vote. It's forced "case".
This is a scummy post if Vivax flips mafia and it's also scummy if Vivax flips town.
But the good thing is that it locks in Sandroba's vote on Vivax so I don't care for now. Can only lynch one dude today.
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No DP should not be considered in any immediate scenario. If he's mafia he's well hidden.
For now, he's town.
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What we need is clarity and organization.
The clock is really winding down if anyone wants to lynch someone that isn't Vivax. You need to be aware of the deadlines. It's better to sheep the case for unity if you're town than be a rebel.
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On December 12 2023 00:44 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 00:32 Palmar wrote:On December 11 2023 23:52 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 22:47 Vivax wrote:
There's nothing exonerating Sandro in his filter.
It's mostly just generic reasons to call me mafia and he can't even find the text pieces to prove what he's saying. I've been far from a blend-in playstyle. This post here also shows a mafia mindset, not arguing against the substance of what I'm saying, which is that his first post he did not read the thread and tried to reach a conclusion about my alignment, but instead he followed thread sentiment and quoted I few things from my post to appear to be contributing. In the post above he dismisses it as generic and quibbles about me not finding text pieces, which is classic mafia sentiment for "you are accusing me for the wrong reasons" This btw is a genuinely very scummy post. Not because of it's context but because of the thought process behind it. Sandroba can easily just say "well Palmar looks town so I go murder train on Vivax", but instead he does "independent research" and comes to the same conclusion to justify his vote. It's forced "case". This is a scummy post if Vivax flips mafia and it's also scummy if Vivax flips town. But the good thing is that it locks in Sandroba's vote on Vivax so I don't care for now. Can only lynch one dude today. The main reason I though you looked town is that you were trying to get traction on vivax, who I thought was likely mafia - not that you were super town and because of that vivax should be mafia - that doesn't make any sense, and I wouldn't trust you without being convinced myself even if I though you were town. Sharing my reasoning there helps me clarify and reassess my thoughts, get feedback from the thread which helps my read and getting reads off others and also helps to convice other players of my desired lynch, all pro town things. The way you are trying to set this up and your reasoning is not making any sense, it feels either like pushing mafia agenda or if you had a pre conceived notion that I must be mafia, which I'm trying to get to the bottom of
shush the town people are talking.
Be a good boy and keep your vote on Vivax.
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On December 12 2023 00:45 Trfel wrote:
If this were eight years ago, even five years ago I could maybe see the points on marvellosity. But time has passed, things change. I don't feel like marvellosity's play is particularly scummy, sure he's less invested and involved than we all know he's capable of, but I don't think that makes him mafia. That just means that he's changed over the past five plus years, I know, shocker.
It's a little scummy.
He hasn't voted Vivax?
But he also hasn't told everyone to go for his preferred lynch of Sandroba?
Does he even care?
I am but a humble boy yet everyone is doing what I say? If marv cared he could get people to do what he says?
But this is not 100% mafia reasoning, but he's staying on my shit tier list for now.
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On December 12 2023 02:18 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 20:28 Holyflare wrote:
Also idk if this was clarified anywhere but is it 2 mafia or 3 with 12 people? Assuming 2 Can I just say, Hf, this is a really icky post. And you should know why.
Did you like my shutting that shit down immediately?
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On December 12 2023 05:19 Vivax wrote:
Why am I getting lynched really. Not only are you missing out on me writing fun stuff but it‘s also the second of four games in which I‘d get D1d.
Palmar‘s vanity wagon is just bullying.
But that’s kinda the point. You aren’t writing anything funny.
Also I never bully. I am a friend of the little guy.
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On December 12 2023 06:47 DarthPunk wrote:
##unvote:
Marv has done better since my case, and it doesn't have any traction regardless. But please don't let marv be lazy later on.
It was a good case, almost as good as my oneliner. No need to feel discouraged.
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Is late. Please murder Vivax
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Good job guys. One down, three to go.
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On December 12 2023 16:59 DarthPunk wrote:
Did anyone else feel the shockwave from palmars credibility collapsing from an all time high, right in front of our eyes 😂
I think my credibility is very much intact. That was a great lynch by me.
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Regarding the whisperer thing I honestly don't really understand it's point, at least not early in the game. I guess it may be useful later on with some blue roles.
Slam got randomed it and invited me. That's the other and probably primary reason for his townread. He could have invited anyone really, and he had no idea I wouldn't really care about the whisperer thing. I think it's a slight townlean that he chose someone he openly mentioned pre-game thinking having an insight into his alignment. (I absolutely don't, I can't read troll players at all. I just policy lynch them occasionally or bully them).
We haven't said anything useful in it. I think my only contributions for it are like "I'm not gonna talk about being inactive for a weekend, just to see who else talks about it" and "I'm gonna claim this thing tonight".
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Also this is why people need to think about the deadline. Half the thread is gone to sleep when shit is happening. It's important we lock shit in early. If we were gonna move to Sandroba, that needed to get done ages ago.
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I'm going to look into how and why people voted the way they did last night as I have time through the day.
Marv just left his vote on Sandroba, was happy with the Vivax lynch but didn't actually push his own idea for a lynch very much. I know Sandroba eventually tied but that wasn't really thanks to marv. Standing by leaning null to scum.
DP's switch, and the reasoning for me (why is Vivax calling me mafia when he doesn't need to) and the fact that he actively tried to get his lynch done looks pretty good. Standing by lean town.
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On December 12 2023 18:00 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax would not have confirmed himself town without the context of impending death.
At least not in the same way
Good plan from Vivax to start playing after half the thread is sleeping.
Very insightful.
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