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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 15 2023 13:53 GMT
#2141
On December 15 2023 22:47 Palmar wrote:
Talk about me rayn

youre probably mafia or very stupid.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 15 2023 13:58 GMT
#2142
Holyflare, what are his top contributions here why everyone townreads him D2.
These?
On December 14 2023 02:51 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel

+ Show Spoiler [posts] +


#72
- This is the beginning of when trfel didn't like sandro. I think the highlighted part of sandro's post is extremely waffley and bad so like that he's picking it out to pre-empt what he's about to say and get a response to it. ++

#74 - Sandro responds and to me, it looks like he should be town reading slam in #73 but somehow in his original conclusion he downplays the town read. Trfel picks up on this in this post and his next post (#75), indicating that Sandro makes absolutely no read on slam whatsoever even though he writes a lot of lines about him so it's just kind of pointless. ++

There's a bunch of questions thrown out in the next few posts and at least he follows up a bit with sandro. Not sure I like that in #118 he just kinda fobs sandro's response off but I like that he expands what he's thinking to DP. Sandro's post is riddled with open-ended unsureness that didn't seem to have a purpose. I like even more that he tries to question Slam over Slam thinking that all the reactions were overblow and it could just be mafia/mafia theatre. I'm not sure I like that Slam post even (will investigate) but Trfel does a good job of trying to dig into someone that looks like they have a thought process incongruent with theirs. ++

#120 Oh, he basically says exactly what I said above and takes back the town read. Pretty good imo. ++
Same kinda vibe with questioning DP in #124

Next few posts are just a bit of back and forth with marv interjecting and talking to DP about the sureity of his sandro read and it not being very sure. I think #136 the ending feels a bit robotic "I'm very interested to see how he follows it up" is just so generic. I also think #143 is also extremely generic in a way that the post is too formulaicly worded. Like he's just going through the motions of scum reading sandro and waiting for the next step of his programming to happen without interjecting real thoughts. --

Actually kind of like the highlighted bits being pointed out in #146, they don't really make any sense to me (DP saying that mafia likes to take strong commitments early ???). I actually hate DP in these interactions lol, good thing I didn't pay enough attention to them. ++ trfel

The next few posts in #156, #157, #159 are all good responses to DP making wtf accusations and then a weird unvote. I like that Trfel wanted it followed up.

Gonna stop linking to posts now, cba. #167 is a good question to vivax. Not sure exactly what vivax was going to achieve with his sandro question and it shows trfel is still interested in interactions in and around sandro.

#169 is basically a scum read on DP without actually saying as much. I'm not sure why he stops short of outright calling DP mafia. Don't really like it. I guess you could say he doesn't really make a conclusion on sandro too although you could argue that's just a feeler content creation case with more poignant accusations. Don't like this post regardless ---

#257 Quite like the initial points on Vivax that trfel talks about but the second half of it seems like something extra tacked on for no reason. If he doesn't know what to make of the order or if it's alignment indicative why does it matter? Feels like adding words for the sake of it and a bit hypocritical in the same respect as his accusation to sandro earlier. --

#262 Think sandro mentioned this in one of his recent posts but I also don't like that he callously threw out the vivax suspicion beforehand, found out it wasn't actually true and then still used it to almost double down on ANOTHER meaningless reason to not like what vivax said. Vivax could have quite easily caught up by skimming and then gone back to poke at questions so seems pretty mediocre. ---

As a caveat to the above, in this post above he mentions that he doesn't like that DP has fallen off after the questioning of him (doesn't bring back up the other DP points he disliked before, at least not yet. Just kinda outs it which is fine imo. Don't hate it.) +

He makes some throwaway question to me asking why I think rayn is mafia, has some follow up with rayn about vivax's posts again in #272 as if that line of thought even means something anymore. Meh. At least he acknowledges that in the same post and is just more concerned with Vivax's lack of involvement.

#287 Points out that I agree with what Vivax is saying (has a overarching view of most of Vivax's posts/stances). Will await to see the conclusion to what I say before questioning whether this is a good post or not because I'd be extra curious about what I said, given my answer was something crap like "I forgot".

#328 tries to get vivax (a scum read) to comment on DP (presumably a scum read but kind of unsaid). Good follow up I guess, shows thinking about the game at least, even if an easy post. +

#335 A correct take but not sure I understand why he's more concerned about my "overall picture of play" when I've made like 2 posts. Here is where he mentions that DP is probably asleep and wants my thoughts too. Mmmm. Questionable post imo. --

#388 No reads list but Vivax/DP/Koshi (first mention)/Sandro are in his suspect list. Not sure where Koshi came from or how.

fuck me I'm bored of investing myself into playing this game it's tedious af, just gonna summarise the rest




lot more back and forth with DP about really silly nitpicking points imo. I don't think trfel's points are that bad that DP fell off after the push on him and did not much (will double check between when DP stopped pushing and went to bed to clarify). I also don't think his point about the marv push was that bad either.

Koshi read is phoning it in but fine. Shared sentiment.

#428 is a bad post (the one talking about DP sleeping with no other push in the thread). ------

his posts about DP calling sandro basically town are correct and DP's arguments are pretty bad faith

voting for vivax is consistent and I don't think #666 is that bad given his posts previously, it's pretty much just a summary of what he's been saying, not a hipster new read thing

I also kinda liked that he stopped interacting with the DP scum read, the frustration seemed real and I dunno if he'd be that frustrated as mafia? Although would he perhaps be more accusatory if he was town and thought DP was mafia and then go after him more? Maybe he's getting frustrated because he's being misrepresented and can't really fight back properly as mafia? One to think about more.

#805 is a whatever defence of marv. Perhaps unwarranted and feels a bit like his defence of me for little reason.

#815 possibly like this post

#823 does mafia trfel really make this post to a town vivax if he knows this to be true? I'm not so sure he actually does.


tl;dr

1) I think Trfel's opening posts on sandro are decent but the suspicion drops off the face of the earth. I don't like that.

2) His argument with DP is extra pointless from DP's side. I don't think the arguments that Trfel presents calling out DP are that bad other than the sleeping thing obviously which is a bit shit but not specifically what he meant. I need to check the timeline here for when DP stopped pushing Trfel and then went to bed because if it's straight away then Trfel's points are bad. If DP stays in the thread a bit aimlessly doing nothing then Trfel's points hold a lot more merit.

3) I think his Vivax suspicion is fine but he throws in a lot of extrenuous details into it that are basically meaningless and he eventually admits that. He defaults to the same kind of argument that he thinks DP is being mafia for (no thread presence or drive) which is an ok read. I actually liked his initial questioning of Vivax over his questions to Sandroba. It shows that he was interested in people interacting with his original scum read.

4) He kind of throws out some free town reads (or at least pressure appeasing reads) on me and marv out of the blue which I feel like I've seen him do before in a previous game, or at least it tickles my brain saying I have somewhere but I can't really get a feel for why he does it. Just seems out of the blue.

5) His argument with DP I think he was mostly correct on and DP was arguing in bad faith. He gets very frustrated with being misrepresented but it doesn't seem like he cares to go the extra step to call DP mafia here or campaign for him. Instead, he leaves and comes back and decides to ignore DP to stop the back and forth (which is fine) but I think he'd be more vocal about suspicions here on his return.

6) I really think that #823 is a post a mafia trfel probably doesn't make to a vivax that he knows is town?

7) I get the overall impression that Trfel is kinda sticking to scum reads and hasn't had much evolution of them? They seem a bit static, even if it appears he's questioning them.




I dunno lol, could genuinely see him being town or mafia. I'd be more inclined to call him town, although I'm fully ready to be burnt by that position. Feel like I've wasted my precious time playing this game now.


On December 14 2023 03:15 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2023 10:31 die_meatbaby wrote:
palmar is simply trying to convince everyone here that they should vote for Vivax. But he is doeing it just in a strange way
On December 12 2023 00:45 Palmar wrote:
On December 12 2023 00:44 sandroba wrote:
On December 12 2023 00:32 Palmar wrote:
On December 11 2023 23:52 sandroba wrote:
On December 11 2023 22:47 Vivax wrote:
There's nothing exonerating Sandro in his filter.
It's mostly just generic reasons to call me mafia and he can't even find the text pieces to prove what he's saying. I've been far from a blend-in playstyle.

This post here also shows a mafia mindset, not arguing against the substance of what I'm saying, which is that his first post he did not read the thread and tried to reach a conclusion about my alignment, but instead he followed thread sentiment and quoted I few things from my post to appear to be contributing.

In the post above he dismisses it as generic and quibbles about me not finding text pieces, which is classic mafia sentiment for "you are accusing me for the wrong reasons"

This btw is a genuinely very scummy post. Not because of it's context but because of the thought process behind it.

Sandroba can easily just say "well Palmar looks town so I go murder train on Vivax", but instead he does "independent research" and comes to the same conclusion to justify his vote. It's forced "case".

This is a scummy post if Vivax flips mafia and it's also scummy if Vivax flips town.

But the good thing is that it locks in Sandroba's vote on Vivax so I don't care for now. Can only lynch one dude today.

The main reason I though you looked town is that you were trying to get traction on vivax, who I thought was likely mafia - not that you were super town and because of that vivax should be mafia - that doesn't make any sense, and I wouldn't trust you without being convinced myself even if I though you were town.
Sharing my reasoning there helps me clarify and reassess my thoughts, get feedback from the thread which helps my read and getting reads off others and also helps to convice other players of my desired lynch, all pro town things.
The way you are trying to set this up and your reasoning is not making any sense, it feels either like pushing mafia agenda or if you had a pre conceived notion that I must be mafia, which I'm trying to get to the bottom of


shush the town people are talking.

Be a good boy and keep your vote on Vivax.


I mean for sure right know it´s the best option to vote on him because his start in the game was so scumy, but when he rolled mafia in older games he just posts random stuff like memes, strange one liners for a laugh and didn´t really try to make wagon like he did here. Like this last posts he made, feeling like me at my second game where I got lynched as a Doctor on D1 and tried just to convince them so strong that I am town and blue.


On the other side i really don´t know who else should get voted here, because nobody looks so scum as he do atm.



Actually think this is a bad DMB post, it has all the components of a mafia post:

1) Throw shade at palmar

2) Say the vote on vivax is correct

3) Give a line that shows caution that it might not be the right lynch because he's not doing what he did as mafia last time and is actually doing what DMB did as town one time

4) Find a reason to not leave that wagon anyway and provide no alternatives




Trouble is, this is just a post in a vacuum and I think their other posts when vivax looks townie are a lot better. Was anyone there and can talk about the sentiment at the time and if DMB was actually instigating or just following?

On December 14 2023 18:58 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2023 18:54 marvellosity wrote:
On December 14 2023 18:44 Holyflare wrote:
Very uneventful day and lots of people not particularly caring who we go on doesn't make me feel much better.

Thoughts on Trfel’s posts since your vote on him?


Rayn post good, koshi one not that great.

Although not sure it's correct on rayn, I like the sentiment at least. Went to check the last game I played with rayn on here because I felt like there was some other misunderstanding bs but last time he was mafia with me and pointed out something similar he was way more likely to back down on it there. I suppose you could say he's backed down here but it doesn't feel like it's in the same way.

A lot of the posts where he is actually saying something just end up in "maybe yes, maybe no".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 15 2023 14:01 GMT
#2143
Another thing is the time around my vote on Chezinu.
Holyflare has literally just claimed he considers Chezinu is mafia, when the votes actually start flying that way, he goes on full attack mode on me (like "vote me i dare you"), which of the only possible outcome in case i bite is that i actually do vote for him (and that does nothing).

Very likely mafia here too.
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 15 2023 14:02 GMT
#2144
Let's start with completely removing the idea that you had any positive effect on the Chezinu lynch. I agree that you entered the thread in a pivot moment and voted Chezinu while wildly swinging around you trying to hit anything except Chezinu, going as far as saying the counterwagon Sandroba was mafia as well.

I resisted the Chezinu lynch? hahahahaha. That is just funny. But if that gets me lynched fine. Go tell the people that.

The reason why Palmar might downgrade marv is because he was the main reason we were sitting on sandroba. I mean, you really need to kill marv here because he knows I wanted to move from Sandroba before he did and tried to talk him into it. I prefer you don't kill me because you know, I am going to get lynched and it would be against your wincon if I got nkilled.


Also the fact you just got +20 pages of content and couldn't find anything suspicious on HF is interesting. Not willing to go into that fight again?

Extra: I refreshed and saw your reasoning. See that quote is me telling marv it is time to switch and let Sandroba live another day. Sandroba also didn't get it I think so maybe I wrote it weird. But there are so many moments where I said Sandroba is not my own lynch and I sheeped marv.

Extra 2: If you want to lynch me, you got to use the angle that I have no reads and am using marv to hide. That has a better chance to work. But I like that you aren't make this not too convincing so we can still be scumbuddies after you get lynched tomorrow.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 15 2023 14:04 GMT
#2145
I have to continue later, gotta get some dinner.
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 15 2023 14:07 GMT
#2146
rayn. You can't seriously be thinking HF & I are mafia right?
If you are town it is time to get really humble and talk to marv or something.

But do it in a way where you are the newest padawan and he is the oldest Jedi master.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 15 2023 14:11 GMT
#2147
On December 15 2023 23:02 Koshi wrote:
Let's start with completely removing the idea that you had any positive effect on the Chezinu lynch. I agree that you entered the thread in a pivot moment and voted Chezinu while wildly swinging around you trying to hit anything except Chezinu, going as far as saying the counterwagon Sandroba was mafia as well.

Let's not.
There should be noone to believe you here.

I resisted the Chezinu lynch? hahahahaha. That is just funny. But if that gets me lynched fine. Go tell the people that.

You definitely did, telling me to vote with the "town core" over and over again.

The reason why Palmar might downgrade marv is because he was the main reason we were sitting on sandroba. I mean, you really need to kill marv here because he knows I wanted to move from Sandroba before he did and tried to talk him into it. I prefer you don't kill me because you know, I am going to get lynched and it would be against your wincon if I got nkilled.


Also the fact you just got +20 pages of content and couldn't find anything suspicious on HF is interesting. Not willing to go into that fight again?

You genuinely believe i wouldnt have as mafia found reasons for HF or anyone to be mafia and just lynched my roleblocker? You're insane. Or mafia, just probably mafia.

Extra: I refreshed and saw your reasoning. See that quote is me telling marv it is time to switch and let Sandroba live another day. Sandroba also didn't get it I think so maybe I wrote it weird. But there are so many moments where I said Sandroba is not my own lynch and I sheeped marv.

Extra 2: If you want to lynch me, you got to use the angle that I have no reads and am using marv to hide. That has a better chance to work. But I like that you aren't make this not too convincing so we can still be scumbuddies after you get lynched tomorrow.

don't care.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 15 2023 14:12 GMT
#2148
On December 15 2023 23:07 Koshi wrote:
rayn. You can't seriously be thinking HF & I are mafia right?

I can think what the fuck ever i want.
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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 15 2023 14:14 GMT
#2149
Yep, I am back to liking Koshi. His story from his perspective makes sense. I also think DMB's paranoid posting after the flip looks townie.
So my possible scum team is reduced to rayn, HF, palmar.

If we go into uber tinfoil land Slam never made so much sense during a certain period of last day that it read almost as a different person took over the keyboard. But then again if this is the case I'm in his pocket forever he can just take me to mylo and I'll lynch myself
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 15 2023 14:17 GMT
#2150
On December 15 2023 23:14 sandroba wrote:
Yep, I am back to liking Koshi. His story from his perspective makes sense. I also think DMB's paranoid posting after the flip looks townie.
So my possible scum team is reduced to rayn, HF, palmar.

If we go into uber tinfoil land I've never seen Slam make as much sense as he did during a certain period of last day. It read almost as if a different person took over the keyboard. But then again if this is the case I'm in his pocket forever he can just take me to mylo and I'll lynch myself

Phrased it like a moron, fixed the slam part, not that it's really relevant
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 15 2023 14:23 GMT
#2151
How can palmar still think I'm scum here, do you think that's possible marv?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 15 2023 14:38 GMT
#2152
You can think I'm mafia all you want and you can yell it from the mountaintops into the empty chasms of your despair but that does not in fact mean I'm mafia when the best you can come up with is that I was unsure in a couple of posts.

I don't think I'd waste my time on making a trfel filter dive to that extent to come out with an "I dunno" and then immediately vote him after as mafia, it doesn't really make sense, I know basic "mafia" post styles and I just don't care about how I look in posts like that when I'm town and it'd be far more riddled with intention to get trfel lynched. I'm just trying to clear people from being mafia.

I also stand by the fact I think the chezinu lynch was shit. Don't really care if he was confirmed mafia (and I said as much). I think lynching someone else for better information and stance taking would have been way more effective. You entered the thread just yelling that I was mafia again, voted for chezinu who was already an extremely runaway and deadset wagon and then didn't have the guts to vote me even though youv'e been sure I'm mafia for the entire game and haven't ever changed your tune. That's extremely bad play. I also think you just




By the way, your third quite in your "case" about me is also poor reading comprehension on your part. This is in fact a town read post on Trfel. I'm just saying I don't think I agree with his points on you but I think the point of view he presented was an acceptable train of thought.




This feels like a new low for you. Honestly just not impressed and think you're mafia trying to throw anything you can to make your point of view stick but I'm trying extremely hard to be charitable with that take.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 15 2023 14:41 GMT
#2153
On December 15 2023 03:01 Rels wrote:
Day Two Vote Count

sandroba (4): marvellosity, Koshi, Palmar, Holyflare, Holyflare
Chezinu (4): Trfel, Alakaslam, sandroba, raynpelikoneet
Trfel (1): sandroba, Holyflare, Chezinu, Alakaslam
die_meatbaby (0): sandroba
Palmar (0): sandroba

Not Voting (1):die_meatbaby

With 4 votes, sandroba is currently set to be lynched!

The deadline is Friday, Dec 15 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in


Slight take back. It wasn't a dead set lynch but it very much felt like it was at the time so now I'm a bit conflicted. Will read back.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 15 2023 14:42 GMT
#2154
It's probably time to at least erode the Palmar read a bit because he should know better that marv wouldn't make these posts that he has about sandro as mafia because that's just icky.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 15 2023 14:47 GMT
#2155
On December 15 2023 23:41 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2023 03:01 Rels wrote:
Day Two Vote Count

sandroba (4): marvellosity, Koshi, Palmar, Holyflare, Holyflare
Chezinu (4): Trfel, Alakaslam, sandroba, raynpelikoneet
Trfel (1): sandroba, Holyflare, Chezinu, Alakaslam
die_meatbaby (0): sandroba
Palmar (0): sandroba

Not Voting (1):die_meatbaby

With 4 votes, sandroba is currently set to be lynched!

The deadline is Friday, Dec 15 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in


Slight take back. It wasn't a dead set lynch but it very much felt like it was at the time so now I'm a bit conflicted. Will read back.


I re-take this back, rayn's vote looks absolutely awful, especially considering the posts around it.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 15 2023 15:02 GMT
#2156
On December 15 2023 19:17 marvellosity wrote:
Anyway, my activity is gonna be sketchy now for most of the weekend. Travelling to Brighton with the other half at lunch, and have friends down the rest of the weekend.

My wife wanted to name our son Brighton!

Also, my students are reading about a certain Lydia who wanted to go to Brighton to flirt... with 6 officers at once

Kinda awkward for tall man to read that shit to a bunch of teenage girls and explain everything until they understand it......

Ah, Brighton!
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 15 2023 15:05 GMT
#2157
On December 15 2023 20:09 Palmar wrote:
Rayn
sandroba
Trfel
HF

This is the lynch pool, in order from scummy to less scummy. These players need to be focused on and read by everyone.

It's important to remember the pacing of the game and recognize the phase we're in.

We just got a good policy lynch off, giving us some information, but we're still only a mislynch away from lylo

7v2
NK -> 6v2
ML -> 5v2
NK -> 4v2 (day 4, lylo)
ML -> 3v2
NK -> 2v2

If we bag another mafia lynch tomorrow, we buy ourselves a mislynch.

This means we need to focus on straightforward scum today. Tinfoil ideas should be kept at bay at the moment. Stick with your reasonable reads and don't get lost in the tunnels.


Based (in the positive use of the phrase)
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 15 2023 15:05 GMT
#2158
On December 15 2023 20:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's hilarious i am scumread.

It's okay though, means i don't have to play then, your fault. Gonna write about who i think is mafia later.
Good job Slam until you started getting cold feet. ^^

Hehehehehehehehe also based (also positive sense)
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 15 2023 15:07 GMT
#2159
On December 15 2023 21:34 marvellosity wrote:
I really am sorry if I ruined anything by my emotional reaction to stuff in last 18h.

Fear not here, you had more than plenty cause to be in such a state and going out is wise. May Brighton be gloriously beautiful during your time there!
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 15 2023 15:07 GMT
#2160
On December 15 2023 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
First of all there is no way i am voting for Chezinu over sandroba D2 when i did if i was mafia. Not even in the scenario where i am mafia with Chezinu and sandroba. I was the key person to actually make Chezinu lynch even viable option at that time.

So i guess it's time to look through all the people who are telling i am mafia because i voted for Chezinu, or whatever i did during D2. There is mafia there and there is probably 2 mafia in there.

That means i don't care about Slam, Trfel, DMB.

He's right you know
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