EPTTL Endures Mafia II
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On June 10 2023 00:49 Chezinu wrote: Oh I see now. Hapa makes his role soo apparent by this post... I pride myself in my readability. | ||
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On June 10 2023 01:50 LightningStrike wrote: Hapa if you are around had you caught up yet by chance? I’m just about caught up, but nothing I’ve read is inspiring to me one way or the other beyond a very strong town read on Slam. I also have this overwhelming desire to tunnel marv for nostalgia’s sake, but that’s about it. | ||
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On June 10 2023 02:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I was really not expecting to wake up to ~20 pages, what is this 2013? I have work today so I'll mostly be phone posting but definitely scumreading LS right now (again) and I think DarthPunk came off looking worse in the exchange with CopCake that I just read. I'm townreading chezinu on a complete shot in the dark that his chatgpt nonsense is a protest against not being able to use his seal. After attempting to gut read slam last game and being wrong I'm back to forever null on him TTT probably my strongest town read DMB has a lot more confidence this game, don't think that's alignment indicative yet but I'll be interested to see how things progress. Aight I'll be in and out today, I'll have some free time tonight. Interested in the bolded. I find it difficult that you could develop a read on LS given what was posted. Also, what does “DP looking bad” actually mean? Dumb or scum? | ||
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On June 10 2023 02:35 Vivax wrote: Weak tbh, I had the same urge with you and there‘s a bunch of info around already. You used to be more opinionated. Once upon a time I had a full head of hair and now it is gone. | ||
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Re: opinions, there are a lot of games that I’ll have strong opinions, but this thread is difficult for me. There is “information” but a lot of it to me is bad. It’s basically DP shitting up the thread by forcing a case on CopCake, because he can’t help himself. But that doesn’t give me a lot to go on. Frankly, I’m more skeptical/suspicious of players that have developed strong opinions more than anything else. MZ’s post looks quite bad to me in that respect. I’d think yours is bad too, but I also think you’re of the same mentality as DP. | ||
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On June 10 2023 04:12 LightningStrike wrote: Regarding the bolded do you think this is alignment indicative for Darth? I don’t think forcing a case is alignment indicative in an early game context. Stuff like him refusing to read Chez’s wall of text and then reading said wall anyway tells me he was just bored early game and doing random shit. | ||
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On June 10 2023 02:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I was really not expecting to wake up to ~20 pages, what is this 2013? I have work today so I'll mostly be phone posting but definitely scumreading LS right now (again) and I think DarthPunk came off looking worse in the exchange with CopCake that I just read. I'm townreading chezinu on a complete shot in the dark that his chatgpt nonsense is a protest against not being able to use his seal. After attempting to gut read slam last game and being wrong I'm back to forever null on him TTT probably my strongest town read DMB has a lot more confidence this game, don't think that's alignment indicative yet but I'll be interested to see how things progress. Aight I'll be in and out today, I'll have some free time tonight. | ||
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On June 10 2023 05:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont feel strongly about LS, i feel like he could be scum. His opener mostly, it was copied from another game. It sounds like you think that LS’s posting is NAI as opposed to actually scummy. | ||
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On June 10 2023 05:41 CopCake wrote: Explain me the chezinu thing Is it only because he voted vivax? Him highlighting MZ’s post in red while having his vote on Vivax ain’t good. Driving so I can’t vote but I’d sheep Ryan on it. | ||
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I’m really unwilling to go down the Cake DP rabbit hole. DP is fixated on something that doesn’t seem very compelling, and Cake seems super offended in her responses based on what I’ve read. I can’t say for certain it is Town v Town, but it is definitely not mafia-oriented on either end. | ||
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Re: Chez, I think his posting structure of having his vote on Vivax while +1’ing other suspicions in the game is scummy. He did so to my post against MZ and MZ’s post against LS. | ||
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On June 10 2023 20:34 DarthPunk wrote: Do you think he read his role pm? Cause I don’t. I think he didn't read his role PM at the beginning, but he probably did so later. I looked through chez's meta a bunch back in 2020 when I played a game (and LYLO) situation with him, and my key takeaway was that he was actually a very good teammate. It is very uncharacteristic for him to try to troll his team and screw them over, which hypothetically not reading his role PM for a day could do if he is mafia. | ||
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I think it is a lot of grandstanding by MZ. Full of very unnecessary sarcasm, snarkiness... like he's trying to criticise LS's play. I'll elaborate more when I am at my computer later this afternoon. | ||
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On June 10 2023 21:23 die_meatbaby wrote: LS It´s not hate it is what it is. Yeah together in the red team Nice little hint from you for him that he get too suspicious. Also you really try to push this DP and CC thing. Is there something that you are identifying as scummy in LS’s posting or are you just trolling him? | ||
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On June 10 2023 23:18 DarthPunk wrote: I think you are correct. I have a real issue with your MZ read right now TBH. I’m considerably more suspicious of marv not spotting this, as he played in both games. | ||
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raynpelikoneet Vivax LightningStrike Not lynching anyone above this line for the purposes of D1. PRetty strong town reads on all of them. I've read LS's filter several times, and it is very "stream of consciousness", unfiltered, messy... signs of a townie trying to get his bearings on the game. Unfortunately that leaves a large pool of candidates below that I'm super "meh" on and I'll go one by one to get my thoughts out on the game. | ||
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I was pretty tempted to put him on the list above. My notepad has "pants squarely on head, annoying, probs town". My concern is that he is currently in the vote lead mostly out of his stubbornness with the whole CopCake thing rather than anything actually mafia oriented he has done. And while this is really old meta, I have known DP to death tunnel people as either alignment. Frankly, I have known DP to be more coherent as mafia. That, and given the relative "inactivity" of the past 24 hours, I absolutely hate this type of voting dynamic: On June 11 2023 03:51 Koshi wrote: Day One Vote Count DarthPunk (4): CopCake, Vivax (1): Chezinu CopCake (2): DarthPunk, TankTopTiger Meapak_Ziphh (1): Hapahauli LightningStrike (1): raynpelikoneet Chezinu (0): Not Voting (4): Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, marvellosity, Vayoletta, With 4 votes, DarthPunk is currently set to be lynched! The deadline is Sunday, Jun 11 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in Votes spread, 4 people not voting, and one person clearly in the lead? Either mafia is completely inactive and has zero thread control or we are lynching a townie and they don't care. I really, really don't think this type of vote dynamic typically leads to a successful lynch. | ||
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Also not a fan of lynching her. She seemed to take genuine offense at being called mafia, which is an objectively townie trait. I take those emotions (especially sustained, over a long period of posting) in much higher regard than some weird sequence of posting early in the game. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh - I'm pretty torn, because I can't tell whether or not I just hate stylistically how he plays or if he's legit mafia. A lot of his posts set off alarm bells for me. I've mentioned his opener already, but I wanted to break down his posting on LS a bit more. Firstly, his "wall of text" on LS seems more like he is trying to bait LS into an argument rather than to build a case. Just a couple of snippets of the language: I'm going to do my best not to sound super sarcastic when I right this but come on, it's chez "I hope he answers so we figure out what it means?" Like what does it mean to you dude? Why highlight this? It's chez who the fuck knows what it means? This post serves no purpose What in the actual fuck does this mean? Why do you think it was forced? Do you think both Darth and Copcake are scum? What posts do you felt were forced? What does this serve to do other than fish for suspicions? There's more wine in front of this post than there is wine in my glass, and hint hint, there's a lot of wine in my glass. Tbh this post was the first one where I thought "he knows he didn't play scum well last game, what if he's deliberately trying a more active style this game to avoid attention." Why tf would anyone chime in when you haven't told them what's making you feel that way? The continued unfounded accusations and unsubstantiated suspicions are not working for me. The tonal aggressiveness given the context of the post (early game case on player) catches my eye in a bad way and reads like he is trying to grandstand his scum-read rather than develop an argument. I read his filter in TL Endures, and his play is almost structurally identical to this game (in that he makes an awful opener and starts tunneling a single player - marv). However, I am struck by how much more civil his posting against marv is... and you can read the first page of his filter to get a feel for it: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/609557-tl-endures-mafia?user=Meapak_Ziphh It is also problematic to me that MZ has not substantially engaged any other topic in the thread other than LS over 40 hours into the day. | ||
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Just log in later and sheep me dood. I'll figure out something. | ||
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My town lynchbait radar is going off about Die_Meatbaby (henceforth, "DMB"). Overall, there's a sense of earnestness in his filter, and I hold posts like this from a new-ish player in the town column: On June 09 2023 16:54 die_meatbaby wrote: How can you already read someone as town or opposite? There are not even half of the player's here. I am waiting till other players write something as well not just Dp, Marv Rayn, CC and the two Troll Master I think it is very, very good that he is not forcing suspicions early in the game and/or going with the flow of suspicions. I think it shows a degree of honesty in his play. | ||
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Marv Vayoletta All of them are in the "hell if I know" category. Rereading Chez's filter, I'm probably just putting too much stock into his random shitposts and votes than I should. He is pretty readable later in the game, and I wouldn't feel good taking a dice roll at him being mafia today. Marv hasn't done anything substantive. I haven't disagreed with anything he has said, but he is also capable of being reasonable as either alignment. Vayoletta really hasn't done anything at all. Another dice roll. | ||
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On June 11 2023 06:17 Vayoletta wrote: Copcake is aggressive in a way that would come natural for town, but would have to be faked for wolf. Is Copcake a faker with a poker face or not? Is this a kushm4sta alt? | ||
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On June 10 2023 22:48 TankTopTiger wrote: ##Vote: CC I was holding off on voting because I felt too clouted up and didn't want people to wagon before developing reads. I'm voting CC based on her town reading Rayn from moment one. I know DP IRL and we play together. We've clashed over these sorts of games before, and I fear those clashes more than I care about playing 100% optimal. But this never means assuming he's town. Instead, it means I give him the benefit of the doubt, and try to not be paranoid about "what if he's 400IQmafiabossing me rn?". While I expect different people have different approaches to how to play around relationship dynamics, I don't see a world in which the answer for CC is "just assume Rayn town". Also, out of everyone, I want DP and Rayn alive D2. They were both crucial driving forces D1, and I have a green read on both. People upset about DP "forcing" and "playing different" should know that his claim of being time-stressed checks out (I'm verifying it now). His aggressive play was consistent between his pushing on Rayn and then CC, and makes sense given he's trying to contribute during the windows he has available. I think this vote on CopCake in particular is egregious, because he is accusing CopCake of giving Rayn the "Benefit of the Doubt" while essentially doing the same thing with DarthPunk. Looking at what he has said about his DarthPunk read, it is essentially that he is "playing different" and that he has a plausible IRL claim, but he hasn't elaborated on that at all. | ||
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Rayn, curious to hear your thoughts on both (and LS, since you clearly disagree with me). I'll note that I think TTT has effectively set up CC and LS as back to back lynches in his filter, similar to what you are saying about LS. | ||
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On June 11 2023 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idk about TTT, probably would not want to lynch him here, i think he had VERY townie looking early game, at least for me it looks like that. I'd have to read his filter again. I agree with you, and frankly I typed out several posts on TTT with very differing conclusions (only to delete them). My general sense of his filter is that he: 1) asks questions that go nowhere; 2) has fixated almost entirely on the "suspicions du jour" of the thread 3) has a town read on DP that he presents as developed but has not been at all 3.5) oddly enough, has this potential TMI slip with Vivax: On June 09 2023 20:21 TankTopTiger wrote: Vivax Last game you were lynched D1 as doctor. Is there anything you plan to do to not get D1L this game? | ||
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On June 11 2023 06:46 DarthPunk wrote: Meh Hapa, I appreciate you trying to save me and all but you landed like a plane with no wings on this one. Work with me here will ya? Happy to discuss CopCake all you want as long as I can convince ya to look at some different people. | ||
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On June 11 2023 06:55 DarthPunk wrote: I’m posting bro. What do you want? This game is fucking hard right now. Cause the ppl who look the worst to me. LS and Copcake are being town read all over the place. Well help me understand, because to the extent that you have suspicions, they really don't make sense to me based on what you've already posted. Can you just give me a quick, 1 paragraph summary on why you think either (or both) of them are the top of your list? | ||
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On June 11 2023 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't really get how TTT reads Cake mafia, because whenever he talks about his read with me it looks like he doesn't konw what to think of her alignment. I think he is pretty clear in this post: On June 10 2023 16:17 TankTopTiger wrote: Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe. Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in. ... I just have difficulty understanding how he reached that conclusion. | ||
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On June 11 2023 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes that's what i talking about. He asks me if me and Cake know each other, i tell yes, he says "oh i see how she can have a town read on you". same thing happens at least three times. Hence the "opportunistic" point. I read his filter and get the sense that he is seriously reading the thread (all that CC / DP shit is insane) enough to summarize it for other people. But the depth of his reads are completely at odds with the amount of effort he is presenting himself to be putting into the thread. | ||
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On June 11 2023 07:03 DarthPunk wrote: I mean not really. Ls I dont actually think is mafia. I just think his posting, sheeping and “one of cop and dp” are scum look bad. But I literally just posted my thoughts on him. Copcake: had strong reads from nowhere that she didn’t want to talk about and when she finally did the reasons really didn’t correlate to the Strength of the read. And I don’t think emotion and crazy posting like hers can’t be faked (I know because I can fake it myself) But I think Rayn is town and I am trying to find a way to understand his town read on her so I’m not sure she is the lynch either. I want to know what vayoletta actually thinks rather than the vague airy posting she has done. Cause she is alluding to an opinion on cake without actually sharing anything. Respectfully, I think your concept of what is/is not difficult to fake as mafia is warped, because you are so insanely good at certain things as mafia (i.e. emotional congruance). I don't put Cake in the same category. | ||
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On June 11 2023 07:05 DarthPunk wrote: I don’t think he could be engaged enough to seriously keep up as mafia. Meta read whatever, trust me on this you have to give him time. He always always always is up for a lynch at the start of games, but just like last game he will be obvious later. What is your history with TTT? Played on other sites, or is this just based on the TL games? Happy to take a look. | ||
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On June 11 2023 06:59 CopCake wrote: I am heeereeee (for a while) Well, we're trying to solve the game. Mind helping out? | ||
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On June 11 2023 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Truth to be told Cake can easily fake emotion and crazy posting as mafia, i jsut don't think this is it. To be clear, I am not reading Cake as town solely because she is displaying emotion. I look for what emotions people should be displaying given the circumstances, and Cake lines up well. Whereas, MZ does not to me (grandstanding on LS seems like manufactured indignation in context). | ||
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No clue, but I do see the point that the tone can be explained by IRL things. | ||
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On June 11 2023 07:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I don't wanna lynch DarthPunk today. Whatever reservations I had between him and Copcake do not warrant a D1 lynch and to be honest I can't even remember precisely what I didn't like beyond tone. His contributions today have far outstripped the stuff from 24 hours ago. I know your thoughts on LS, but where is your mind on other players? | ||
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On June 11 2023 07:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: I just really dont believe DMB writes this as town based on last game. Like fuck... no way. Ah fucking hell more previous game filters to read. | ||
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On June 11 2023 07:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Literally all of your points against me Hapa are that you don't like the tone of my posts. Go read Marv's "analysis" of me last game and then reference my VT flip. I'm not gonna waste thread space arguing with people about my "tone" or whatever you want to call it two games in a row. It's not a "fair" case and I don't expect you to respond to it. At the same time, I don't have a lot to go on from just about anyone, and your excessive tunneling on LS contributes to that. Just talk to me about reads, I'm around. And I don't bite. | ||
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On June 11 2023 07:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: If i understand correcty Hapa is saying that MZ basically took every post in LS filter and tried to make it look like everything LS has done is just straight out scummy, when that's never ever tha case no matter which player in question. That and it seems like he's trying to pick a fight with LS. But at this point with MZ here, I'd rather hear what he has to say rather than re-hash the old points when we've made our positions clear. | ||
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On June 11 2023 07:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: To expand on the DP stuff, I'm really not impressed with anyone on that wagon right now. I'm going to start rereading filters with copcake to try and unwind the shit from yesterday. On June 11 2023 07:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: In no particular order: Slam Hapa Vayoletta (Yes I'm aware I routinely say I can't read slam) I need to reread DMB/Copcake/TTT because I remember reading them slightly green yesterday but I haven't been as impressed with them today. I'll give you your space to do your work, but these to posts don't really jive at all if your understanding of the game is that the DP wagon is suspicious. | ||
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On June 11 2023 07:38 DarthPunk wrote: ##Unvote: Copcake ##Vote: Vayoletta I think this is a start actually. I hate it but I do like it. | ||
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On June 11 2023 07:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: The DP wagon is copcake/DMB/LS/vivax. How does that not jive with me already scum reading LS and then saying I haven't been as impressed with DMB/copcake? | ||
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On June 11 2023 07:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: The DP wagon is copcake/DMB/LS/vivax. How does that not jive with me already scum reading LS and then saying I haven't been as impressed with DMB/copcake? Formatting error in previous post. You list three people before DMB/Copcake and "DP Wagon People" as plausible mafia, and there aren't 6 mafia in this game. | ||
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On June 11 2023 07:46 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah but that was the first half of the day, and afk is not really why I want to lynch her. The two posts I quoted are bad without anything more It's a policy lynch - you really don't need to justify it more than that. | ||
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On June 09 2023 16:54 die_meatbaby wrote: How can you already read someone as town or opposite? There are not even half of the player's here. I am waiting till other players write something as well not just Dp, Marv Rayn, CC and the two Troll Master Since Rayn pointed out, having trouble squaring away your attitude this game (and the above post) given how many early and.... strong opinions on Vivax's alignment last game. | ||
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On June 11 2023 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I just genuinely don't think someone can change the way they think completely in such timespan. It's like LS being no matter how wrong in reading people just by meta he still does it every time. (no offense to LS i am not saying youre terrible or anything, just to make an example that if person's mind works in one way it's REALLY hard to change that way of thinking as town) I agree generally with this, and it is still wild to me how different the posting is across both games. I don't think i've ever seen anything like it. | ||
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On June 11 2023 08:09 DarthPunk wrote: Did you guys read her play at the end of last game? if you ignore the batshit crazy shit towards the start this game is similar IMO. It is definitely calmer than the beginning, but that's a pretty low bar. | ||
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I don't like the vote, but I think its better than the other viable options. I"d be happy to lynch MZ today or TTT today and that's about it. | ||
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On June 11 2023 10:47 DarthPunk wrote: Do you think Vayoletta is more likely to be town then DMB in this spot. That slot is not even playing. PRobably is going to be modkilled. WHy bother? | ||
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On June 11 2023 10:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I would rather policy. Worst thing that happens is Vayoletta flips town. If we don't policy, Vayoletta gets modkilled and we potentially mislynch a townie and lose 2 instead of worst case scenario 1. Double lynch is always pro-town. | ||
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On June 11 2023 10:50 DarthPunk wrote: Im not sure that's true in this instance, if both players are town def not. It is better to eat the bullet on a double lynch than wasting two days and giving mafia 2 NKs. Your are objectively wrong,. | ||
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Just gonna put my money where my mouth is in case it is viable. Am watching the votecount just in case. | ||
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On June 11 2023 11:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: The irony is thick. And you all are morons for not listening to me. I"m sorry we should have tunnelled the un cc'd tracker all day. A better alternative. | ||
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On June 11 2023 11:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Congrats on not reading the thread for the last 2+ hours. We can lynch you tomorrow. You are straight up lying if you're suggesting you weren't tunneling LS literally the whole day. You were suggesting lynching him until the second he claimed. | ||
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oh well shit. ggs. | ||
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