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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
June 12 2023 10:53 GMT
#1261
This is a pomegranate of a post. Do you eat that abomination of a fruit whole? No, you open it up and find out if the seeds are edible, which I'd like to find out here.

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 12 2023 12:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
A bit disorganised at this point, reading through all the posts since #30 atm, I'm up to #53 so I'm biased towards happenings within that frame.

I just spent a lot of time inside my head on you DP. Real spooky. I thought that a red DP would see the difference between DMB last game and this game, and know it meant blue. Then they could lead the mislynch, but have meta from previous game on leading mislynches. Bonus points for backing away from it at the last minute by reading them green (ad lib). But it was Rayn that pointed you in that direction, so that play doesn't work out unless redDP is very fortunate and just had this play fall into his lap (I don't think Rayn's suggestion was red at all). There were some other things. Your reactions have felt artificial twice to me - one was in response to CC, can't remember the other. You being onboard with policy feels irrational but I'm not actually sure on your position on that and WW may have softened you up.
But overall it's too much reach, so I'm back to treating you as green based on the overall pro-townliness of your play. Your read on me is exactly what I would expect and I can't argue against it. I'm not as engaged in poor information environments.

Rayn is green.

LS is weird because I think he decided at the start of the game that he was going to play differently and so my main reason for giving him the benefit of the doubt feels artificial. Someone said at some point that he feels very in the moment and I agree with that. He also seems to come across as artificial whenever he thinks he should be providing an anger response (congruent with autism claim). So I sort of just want to leave him and see where he takes it for now.

I still see CC as red. I don't really want to engage with her because she counter-tunnels and shits up the thread leaving everyone confused. I don't think there's anything she could say that would change my mind, but she also hasn't really done anything since that alleviates or intensifies my suspicion. The read is stale but it's still my firmest read.

Overall, I think town have been eating town a lot, but also in many directions. This sort of environment is something I wanted at the start of the game (not the TvT thing, but the diversity of opinions thing as opposed to last game which felt sychophantic to me from many). This pushes me in the direction of thinking that mafia are more passive, so toward Vayo, Marv, and Slam.



A bit disorganised at this point, reading through all the posts since #30 atm, I'm up to #53 so I'm biased towards happenings within that frame.


I'm not sure how this belongs here. Post intro describing that TTT is reading a fraction of D1, then a bunch of reads from memory?

I just spent a lot of time inside my head on you DP. Real spooky.


How so? Did he have clothes on?

I thought that a red DP would see the difference between DMB last game and this game, and know it meant blue. Then they could lead the mislynch, but have meta from previous game on leading mislynches. Bonus points for backing away from it at the last minute by reading them green (ad lib).


I'm guessing you analyzed DP's attitude at EoD here from a perspective where he's mafia. But I don't understand the meta from previous game on leading mislynches part. It looks like an unfinished thought. As for the latter I guess you want to say that DP genuinely had no suspicion about DMB being blue?

But it was Rayn that pointed you in that direction, so that play doesn't work out unless redDP is very fortunate and just had this play fall into his lap (I don't think Rayn's suggestion was red at all). There were some other things. Your reactions have felt artificial twice to me - one was in response to CC, can't remember the other. You being onboard with policy feels irrational but I'm not actually sure on your position on that and WW may have softened you up.
But overall it's too much reach, so I'm back to treating you as green based on the overall pro-townliness of your play. Your read on me is exactly what I would expect and I can't argue against it. I'm not as engaged in poor information environments.


Heavily appeasing tone towards DP in this bloc.

Rayn is green.


Thanks?

LS is weird because I think he decided at the start of the game that he was going to play differently and so my main reason for giving him the benefit of the doubt feels artificial. Someone said at some point that he feels very in the moment and I agree with that. He also seems to come across as artificial whenever he thinks he should be providing an anger response (congruent with autism claim). So I sort of just want to leave him and see where he takes it for now.


Well, he claimed. Why is he discussing a claimed PR this intensely? Feels performative. That's not an unlimited free pass but the attention I'd devote to him right now would be marginal.

I still see CC as red. I don't really want to engage with her because she counter-tunnels and shits up the thread leaving everyone confused. I don't think there's anything she could say that would change my mind, but she also hasn't really done anything since that alleviates or intensifies my suspicion. The read is stale but it's still my firmest read.


I don't equate emotionality with shitting up the thread in all cases. But I'm not aware of her having been that tunneled on anyone (which I will revisit) in particular. Mostly I'd have liked to find out who her lynch pool was after she was on the backfoot for most of D1.

Overall, I think town have been eating town a lot, but also in many directions.


Weird phrasing. I'm also a pac-man aficionado.

This sort of environment is something I wanted at the start of the game (not the TvT thing, but the diversity of opinions thing as opposed to last game which felt sychophantic to me from many). This pushes me in the direction of thinking that mafia are more passive, so toward Vayo, Marv, and Slam.


Pardon me for asking, but shouldn't CC be among those if that's your final listing and you just called CC red?
Would like to know if you just forgot to put her there or if you meant the mafia besides her. Cause if you forgot to put her there, that's something that would make you scum.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
June 12 2023 11:01 GMT
#1262
On June 12 2023 14:04 CopCake wrote:
I am town TTT and I checked my filter and answered all your questions. I think I over reacted to your “ooofff comment” that made me think that you were mafia and made me tunel you hard, you don’t wanting to answer me if you think TTT could play you also made me 🤷🏽‍♀️ when I was trying to focus in something else.

I invite you to pls, consider me town. Be wary of me if you wish but have me as town for a while. When rayn pointed out the end of the day I realized my mistake. And I hope you are humble enough to consider yours (if i remember correctly you went hard on LS because he appeared “like magic” and called dmb good, then she progressed bad and then “she was acting the same way as last game”)

I have my suspicious on TTT and that is nothing new, reconsidering my Slam read also, I wonder if he started to look “less stressed” because he read in the obvs that being like that is a mafia trait of his, if I remember again the EoTD he changed his vote according to Happa’s will. Something similar when there was the Marv vs DP (I am never ever ever lynching Marv to lol bye see that cool case!), I need to see more of vayoletta and marv, so I’ll have them in null.

I dont trust Vivax, his 180° flip on me has me ????? Like if he is just following what is “cool”.

I need to re read MZ, I barely remember something.

Chezinu is… Chezinu.

But can someone explain how the blue/res disease works?


I challenge you to find where I flipped on you, cause I remember asking you for a rough readslist or similar + being more attentive to you today. Not calling you scum.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 12 2023 11:03 GMT
#1263
Tbh now TTT and DP look worse in my eyes (DP get a bit of a pass because of EotD and would be too tinfoil)

Because they relayed on the word of ONE person, and a obvq in which I didnt called rayn mafia that much to make a whoooooooooleeeee strong read on me.

To me it looks like one of them or both took the opportunistic “rayn is a strong player let’s go from there” door and tried to grill me.

Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 12 2023 11:12 GMT
#1264
good morning I -

oh well shit. ggs.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 12 2023 11:15 GMT
#1265
You are right, you wanted to see where my head is, sorry. I read your comment yesterday before going to sleep but still it was a bit of a shady thing to say.

CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 12 2023 11:32 GMT
#1266
On June 11 2023 12:00 Alakaslam wrote:
Remember, lynch me last

WAIT VIVAX TO DMB

VE TO HAPA
NO SHUT UP LISTEN

VE TO HAPA

ME TO CHEZINU

WARCH IT HAOOEN


Slam were you saying here that Hapa is mafia?
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 12 2023 11:55 GMT
#1267
Nevermind, is probably bromance/romantic stuff assuming the vivax/dmb and chezinu/slam
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 12:11 GMT
#1268
Pardon me for asking, but shouldn't CC be among those if that's your final listing and you just called CC red?
Would like to know if you just forgot to put her there or if you meant the mafia besides her. Cause if you forgot to put her there, that's something that would make you scum.


That's not a final list, it's how I see the game. I'm not stating they're red, I'm saying that since what has occurred feels like TvT I think there is red in the lurkers/trolls, namely those three.

I want CC lynched, but only DP seems to be on board because Rayn flipped for ??? reasons. We've already gone over the reasons ad infinitum but you guys seem to either not understand or not care. CC had a green read on Rayn out of nowhere. CC has been incurious when in obsQT, she was suspicious of everyone (bar marv and DMB) and didn't start anything remotely like a tunnel until D3. This is completely unlike what she's done here, which is basically assume Rayn green, DP+TTT red. This game feels much harder to find scum but she's more certain.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 12:20 GMT
#1269
On June 12 2023 17:28 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 17:26 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 12 2023 17:05 TankTopTiger wrote:
Re: DP
I wasted a lot of time paying careful attention to you. People seem to be sheeping against you and then for you, and I think that's a good place to look for scum sign. I'm not trying to put doubt on you, I'm trying to find people who pretended they had reads they don't actually have. I do not support a lynch on you and acted yesterday to prevent your lynch.

The little information Slam is giving on his perspective doesn't really add up. The read he initially had on LS was based on a C&P, Slam should have reevaluated but didn't. This is the only readable info on Slam other than baseless reads (itself bing a baseless read but with damning context).


Why doesn’t the slam stuff add up? It does to me.


His explanation makes sense


What makes sense about his read on LS?

LS C&Ped a post which Slam read as green.
It came to light that the post was C&P.
Slam nodded his head and continued with that read.

Intuition doesn't mean stupid. His data set for his intuition was overturned so he should have reappraised but didn't.

Slam is even more opaque than last game with why he thinks what he does. I know some people rely on intuition more but pure gut is bs. Your gut follows real info. It's still your brain doing the work. It doesn't just spit out answers with no rhyme or reason.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 12:20 GMT
#1270
On June 12 2023 20:03 CopCake wrote:
Tbh now TTT and DP look worse in my eyes (DP get a bit of a pass because of EotD and would be too tinfoil)

Because they relayed on the word of ONE person, and a obvq in which I didnt called rayn mafia that much to make a whoooooooooleeeee strong read on me.

To me it looks like one of them or both took the opportunistic “rayn is a strong player let’s go from there” door and tried to grill me.



That’s not the only reason I think you are mafia.

I also think you are mafia because all you can talk about is me and, to a lesser extent, ttt and you are just revisiting and rehashing the same points over and over. you aren’t actively engaged in active scum hunting or doing basically anything else until you posted a very bland list post earlier.

Your focus on me started incredibly early, and your stated reasons for scum reading me earlier don’t really make sense.

Your entire filter is OMGUS.

That’s why I’m scum reading you.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 12:25 GMT
#1271
EBWOP
I mean that CC is incurious now when in obsQT she was pointing fingers everywhere.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 12:36 GMT
#1272
On June 12 2023 21:25 TankTopTiger wrote:
EBWOP
I mean that CC is incurious now when in obsQT she was pointing fingers everywhere.


This
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 12:39 GMT
#1273
Look at filters for D1 between last game and this one:
Endurance Mafia CC reads on D1 (from obs QT):
    *Rayn
    *Koshi
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *Slam
    *Chez
    *Chez
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DMB
    *vivax
    *MZ
    *DP
    *Koshi
    *Slam


Endurance Mafia II CC reads on D1:
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *Rayn
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *LS
    *TTT


These are approx. cos I did it fast, but should be fairly reasonable birds eye view of her actions. There's no flipflopping this game, only blind read on Rayn early, singular shallow reads, and tunnels on people who suspect her.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 12 2023 12:40 GMT
#1274
It is very different to be on obvs than being in the game -_____-

CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 12 2023 12:41 GMT
#1275
On June 12 2023 21:39 TankTopTiger wrote:
Look at filters for D1 between last game and this one:
Endurance Mafia CC reads on D1 (from obs QT):
    *Rayn
    *Koshi
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *Slam
    *Chez
    *Chez
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DMB
    *vivax
    *MZ
    *DP
    *Koshi
    *Slam


Endurance Mafia II CC reads on D1:
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *Rayn
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *LS
    *TTT


These are approx. cos I did it fast, but should be fairly reasonable birds eye view of her actions. There's no flipflopping this game, only blind read on Rayn early, singular shallow reads, and tunnels on people who suspect her.


This is a lie, I called LS and Slam town.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 12:43 GMT
#1276
Is it though? You should still be trying to solve the game. I agree maybe you hold back more suspicion in a game because your words are also your actions, but your mindset is completely different. You were paranoid in QT, when you play you should be MORE paranoid because now everyone is trying to manipulate you. But nope, instead you blind trust Rayn, and don't seem to have strong opinions on anyone that isn't coming your way.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 12:44 GMT
#1277
Lemme check real quick. I wouldn't try to fake this as scum.

When you called them town, which game?
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 12 2023 12:44 GMT
#1278
And I also said I would be busier, which is true.
I dislike how you are twisting things, and you know, I would expect you to check on Rayn because “OMG is true she doesnt call him mafia inmediatly”

And even worse because you think that rayn calling DP for eotd actions doesnt clear DP.

You are not trying to solve the game.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 12 2023 12:44 GMT
#1279
On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote:
What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different?


On what?


The game in general so far?


I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.

I think LS and Rayn look bad.

this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.

What do you think?


But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽‍♀️

Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.


Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.

I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.

Now your turn.


But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?

I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?

Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.




I never called him mafia?
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 12:45 GMT
#1280
Oi no stop. My claim was never that you should have called him scum immediately. YOU are twisting things. We have been over this so many times.
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