Re: On LS My view on LS is not that he is red, but that he has claimed tracker after him being mostly red. I'm not pushing for his lynch, I'm figuring out what to do with someone who's not CCed when there's no guarantee there is even a tracker in the game. There was also no guarantee there's an RB in the game but he was certain that he would get RBed and then he did.
The way I see LS is that he's got a free pass for now, but if he is blue then mafia have him 100% under control and they will keep him alive as lynchbait instead of NKing him. This is balanced against the chance that he is red, in which case he made a claim which a red would make (baiting out blue at worst), and lucked out that there wasn't a CC. So we have someone who's sort of a ghost regadless of alignment. But at some point he'll be on the block due to town suspicion or mafia leading, and when that time comes we want him to have given us enough information to make the choice.
Re: CC Rayn, I was really clear the whole time she was not off the hook with me. I didn't want to tunnel early D1 because it stops the whole process in its tracks.I made my suspicions known (it's pretty clear in the post) but didn't commit until later. I see D1 almost entirely as about collecting information and I tried not to turn D1 into mindless wagoning like last game.
I rely on meta-reads from other people to determine whether someone is acting scummy relative to their norm. I had very strong opinions on marv last game based on the expectations I got from other people despite never having played with him. You talked me into thinking she was red and that this wasn't her. It was convincing. But you are involved - I still don't understand why you changed your mind all the way to green but I can only imagine there's some IRL element. But I'm not party to that and don't see someone convincing their fiance as counteracting the evidence against her, which I see as strong for D1.
I value some information over other information. Someone having strong beliefs without evidence when they have a history of the opposite belief in similar circumstances is very high-value information to me. You look at other information that I basically ignore (like post order, or simultaneous posting, which I see as basically coincidental), I lock onto what I see as the best information available and focus on that.
On June 11 2023 19:06 Vayoletta wrote: I was not aware that nights are talky this game, that's not how these games are usually played. Thought I'd use the quiet night to catch up with the game.
In my vision Copcake, Alakaslam and Hapahauli are all town. With Alakaslam that's more of the tone and the way he conveyed his thoughts early game that makes me read him town. Copcake's aggression makes me read that slot as town. and Hapahauli's request of clarification for activity rules here makes me think he has genuine concern on my slot, which would more naturally come from town.
Haven't read the thread for pr claims, but will need to check if there are any clears.
If Darthpunk is town, I would say there is a good chance that there is one mafia there. I don't think Copcake is mafia, so either Lightning or Vivax.
Copcake, what's the reason you voted DarthPunk?
I don't like this read on hap. Someone inquiring about the rules is ANI and does not give grounds to town read. Hap then gets NKed.
IIRC the request for info was in the middle of a conversation regarding whether we should LAL. The excuse to read him town feels fake.
On June 11 2023 20:18 CopCake wrote: Ok, now I get your point. You think mafia DP would have sit and be quiet and let Dmb die instead of trying to save her because if not, it was more likely he would be lynched.
Exactly, not necessarily be quiet but not to advocate another lynch that strongly. The only way i can see that, is if DP somehow figured out DMB is blue and made an educated guess DMB is gonna claim and then he HAS to try to lynch someone else. I don't know if that's true and i would need to check better since it seemed like noone thought DMB is blue.
I see this as a bad reason to read DP town. When he tried to take the train off DMB, he obviously wasn't leading it on himself and IIRC he was basically out of the woods and leading things. CC and Rayn you talk about it being risky but I don't see it as risky if he is red.
I agree with your conclusion (DP green) but disagree with how you got there.
Also, if DP was red, he "knew" DMB was blue in the same way town DP "knew" she wasn't green. To a red DP he knew she was acting safer and this meant blue.
On June 12 2023 15:25 Alakaslam wrote: Honestly glad she took down our wedding. It was cringe.
Here are some reasons I fell in love. She made these about a year before I met her but her whole life is not just YouTube.
She is delightful when she is like this. She is still capable of it. But she decided I am not worth anything much compared to her mom, who is a harpy.
It is so damned evil that we weren't allowed to build our life together. I hope she wakes up to what her mom is doing and comes back to someone who loves her enough to let her be herself instead of being a puppet of Ajumma
Sorry that happened slam. I hope you can find a way forward to a new chapter for you and your daughter.
- Hapa (attitude mostly, like a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh) - Marv (decent followup to bugs bunny intro, aligns with Hapa in some aspects) - Rayn (I don't think he'd scumread Chez for his vote on me as mafia and would rather go along with it comes to mind as a reason) - LS (Christmas tree salience recycled first post + I kind of agree with Slam on his initial analysis at this point.I think he'd have folded and fell over by now as scum) - Vayo (weird gut reason, seems familiar idk how) - Cop (tonally seems like annoyed town to me also #hashtag has me pocketed so congratz if scum)
Not sure, could murder:
Chezinu, Slam, DMB, MZ
Want to murder:
DP, TTT
How did you have reads on Marv or Vayo? These seem like really weak reasons to give someone town points.
On June 11 2023 06:02 Alakaslam wrote: Voting CopCake in case I can't be around for deadline. Want to keep it from spiraling onto a wagon on a strong townread of mine (DP)
Slam you have a strong gut-read on LS, and you had it early off a C&P post. In this post you had more unexplained feels about DP. Where did these feels come from?
I'm kinda unable to remember much about the game now. But I will remain and I will participate. I should retain things over the course of the next few days
On June 10 2023 06:21 Vivax wrote: I‘m like 90% sure LS is mind boggingly town after a skim. And y‘all thought you were good.
LS was set to be lynched D1 if he hadn't blue claimed. He was acting red to everyone else. What could you see that others could not? 90% is reasonably confident.
But Slam you weren't just trolling when you posted that. You wanted DP alive enough to dictate how you voted. Surely DP, who is a very strong scum player, could play relatively similar to last game even if red? This feels really weak without specifics Slam.
On June 12 2023 16:36 TankTopTiger wrote: But Slam you weren't just trolling when you posted that. You wanted DP alive enough to dictate how you voted. Surely DP, who is a very strong scum player, could play relatively similar to last game even if red? This feels really weak without specifics Slam.
Like to be honest my whole thing about vultures (Chupazi <about 80% of the time> was a direct reference to Turkey Vultures horsing around and trolling each other and vomiting on baddies @ the farms I used to work for) was the fact that nobody really understands how they find corpses (and are often fooled too) but they just do it anyway by this uncanny power of smell or something
On June 12 2023 16:36 TankTopTiger wrote: But Slam you weren't just trolling when you posted that. You wanted DP alive enough to dictate how you voted. Surely DP, who is a very strong scum player, could play relatively similar to last game even if red? This feels really weak without specifics Slam.
Lol why are you trying to throw doubt on people town reading your town read?
They are often fooled. They would hang out on the compost too, I would laugh at the poor sots rooting around in the wood chips and grease rot looking for the "carcass" which was really just restaraunt grease trap clean out.
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