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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 12:48 GMT
#1281
On June 12 2023 21:41 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 21:39 TankTopTiger wrote:
Look at filters for D1 between last game and this one:
Endurance Mafia CC reads on D1 (from obs QT):
    *Rayn
    *Koshi
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *Slam
    *Chez
    *Chez
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DMB
    *vivax
    *MZ
    *DP
    *Koshi
    *Slam


Endurance Mafia II CC reads on D1:
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *Rayn
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *LS
    *TTT


These are approx. cos I did it fast, but should be fairly reasonable birds eye view of her actions. There's no flipflopping this game, only blind read on Rayn early, singular shallow reads, and tunnels on people who suspect her.


This is a lie, I called LS and Slam town.


That actually makes you look worse in my opinion.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21977 Posts
June 12 2023 12:50 GMT
#1282
On June 12 2023 20:03 CopCake wrote:
Tbh now TTT and DP look worse in my eyes (DP get a bit of a pass because of EotD and would be too tinfoil)

Because they relayed on the word of ONE person, and a obvq in which I didnt called rayn mafia that much to make a whoooooooooleeeee strong read on me.

To me it looks like one of them or both took the opportunistic “rayn is a strong player let’s go from there” door and tried to grill me.



I think DP came off as townier after review, but I wasn‘t going to proclaim that during night phase and his behaviour around Hapa flip seemed genuine unless he‘s pulling off HF style scumplay.

I take issue in this post that during D1 I had a similar perspective on TTT and DP having an associative component linking them and you keep perpetuating the same into this day expecting me to be an ally to you for the purposes of not getting lynched.

While I‘m over thinking that the associative behaviour made them mafia, I still think TTT in isolation can be.

To put it in simpler terms: Can you find arguments to scumread them in isolation? Because this looks like you‘re double omgusing without being clear about which one is the dishonest omgus and which one has a point.

At this point I think DP comes off as townier and TTT can be explained by being mafia who‘s hiding by attempting to be his shadow. Would explain the lack of suspicion on his part.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 12:50 GMT
#1283
On June 12 2023 21:48 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 21:41 CopCake wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:39 TankTopTiger wrote:
Look at filters for D1 between last game and this one:
Endurance Mafia CC reads on D1 (from obs QT):
    *Rayn
    *Koshi
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *Slam
    *Chez
    *Chez
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DMB
    *vivax
    *MZ
    *DP
    *Koshi
    *Slam


Endurance Mafia II CC reads on D1:
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *Rayn
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *LS
    *TTT


These are approx. cos I did it fast, but should be fairly reasonable birds eye view of her actions. There's no flipflopping this game, only blind read on Rayn early, singular shallow reads, and tunnels on people who suspect her.


This is a lie, I called LS and Slam town.


That actually makes you look worse in my opinion.


That fact you have only one scum read all game and haven’t actively suspected anyone who hasn’t suspected you make la you look worse to be clear
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 12 2023 12:51 GMT
#1284
On June 10 2023 08:15 CopCake wrote:
I know that what LS said was pretty scummy but I feel like he is emotionally involved in this game compared to Endurance II (I went to check his filter) and I see a lot of excuses “sorry I slept, sorry my aunt this, sorry was busy”, but here he seems excited, even participating before and meeting and posting right after it finished.



More proof I never called LS scum this game, his tone is different from last game.

CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 12 2023 12:52 GMT
#1285
On June 12 2023 21:50 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 21:48 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:41 CopCake wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:39 TankTopTiger wrote:
Look at filters for D1 between last game and this one:
Endurance Mafia CC reads on D1 (from obs QT):
    *Rayn
    *Koshi
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *Slam
    *Chez
    *Chez
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DMB
    *vivax
    *MZ
    *DP
    *Koshi
    *Slam


Endurance Mafia II CC reads on D1:
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *Rayn
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *LS
    *TTT


These are approx. cos I did it fast, but should be fairly reasonable birds eye view of her actions. There's no flipflopping this game, only blind read on Rayn early, singular shallow reads, and tunnels on people who suspect her.


This is a lie, I called LS and Slam town.


That actually makes you look worse in my opinion.


That fact you have only one scum read all game and haven’t actively suspected anyone who hasn’t suspected you make la you look worse to be clear


I called you and TTT mafia 🤷🏽‍♀️
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 12:52 GMT
#1286
I looked at my notes and you are correct regarding LS. I don't know where you called him town but there is no read where it was said to have been. I apologise, I was wrong, but that's not even close to my point.

You are even less suspicious than my notes said you were.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 12 2023 12:52 GMT
#1287
Well TTT was a soft and I wanted to venture that with me but you refused.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 12:55 GMT
#1288
On June 12 2023 21:52 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 21:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:48 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:41 CopCake wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:39 TankTopTiger wrote:
Look at filters for D1 between last game and this one:
Endurance Mafia CC reads on D1 (from obs QT):
    *Rayn
    *Koshi
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *Slam
    *Chez
    *Chez
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DMB
    *vivax
    *MZ
    *DP
    *Koshi
    *Slam


Endurance Mafia II CC reads on D1:
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *Rayn
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *LS
    *TTT


These are approx. cos I did it fast, but should be fairly reasonable birds eye view of her actions. There's no flipflopping this game, only blind read on Rayn early, singular shallow reads, and tunnels on people who suspect her.


This is a lie, I called LS and Slam town.


That actually makes you look worse in my opinion.


That fact you have only one scum read all game and haven’t actively suspected anyone who hasn’t suspected you make la you look worse to be clear


I called you and TTT mafia 🤷🏽‍♀️



Mostly just me though.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 12 2023 12:57 GMT
#1289
On June 12 2023 21:50 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 20:03 CopCake wrote:
Tbh now TTT and DP look worse in my eyes (DP get a bit of a pass because of EotD and would be too tinfoil)

Because they relayed on the word of ONE person, and a obvq in which I didnt called rayn mafia that much to make a whoooooooooleeeee strong read on me.

To me it looks like one of them or both took the opportunistic “rayn is a strong player let’s go from there” door and tried to grill me.



I think DP came off as townier after review, but I wasn‘t going to proclaim that during night phase and his behaviour around Hapa flip seemed genuine unless he‘s pulling off HF style scumplay.

I take issue in this post that during D1 I had a similar perspective on TTT and DP having an associative component linking them and you keep perpetuating the same into this day expecting me to be an ally to you for the purposes of not getting lynched.

While I‘m over thinking that the associative behaviour made them mafia, I still think TTT in isolation can be.

To put it in simpler terms: Can you find arguments to scumread them in isolation? Because this looks like you‘re double omgusing without being clear about which one is the dishonest omgus and which one has a point.

At this point I think DP comes off as townier and TTT can be explained by being mafia who‘s hiding by attempting to be his shadow. Would explain the lack of suspicion on his part.


I think I made it clear that DP looks more town for the EoTD actions, like I have him almost locked town. I even changed my tone to him.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 12 2023 12:58 GMT
#1290
On June 12 2023 21:55 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 21:52 CopCake wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:48 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:41 CopCake wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:39 TankTopTiger wrote:
Look at filters for D1 between last game and this one:
Endurance Mafia CC reads on D1 (from obs QT):
    *Rayn
    *Koshi
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *Slam
    *Chez
    *Chez
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DMB
    *vivax
    *MZ
    *DP
    *Koshi
    *Slam


Endurance Mafia II CC reads on D1:
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *Rayn
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *LS
    *TTT


These are approx. cos I did it fast, but should be fairly reasonable birds eye view of her actions. There's no flipflopping this game, only blind read on Rayn early, singular shallow reads, and tunnels on people who suspect her.


This is a lie, I called LS and Slam town.


That actually makes you look worse in my opinion.


That fact you have only one scum read all game and haven’t actively suspected anyone who hasn’t suspected you make la you look worse to be clear


I called you and TTT mafia 🤷🏽‍♀️



Mostly just me though.


This is true, I tunelled you hard for the “ooofffff” comment.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 12:58 GMT
#1291
On June 12 2023 21:57 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 21:50 Vivax wrote:
On June 12 2023 20:03 CopCake wrote:
Tbh now TTT and DP look worse in my eyes (DP get a bit of a pass because of EotD and would be too tinfoil)

Because they relayed on the word of ONE person, and a obvq in which I didnt called rayn mafia that much to make a whoooooooooleeeee strong read on me.

To me it looks like one of them or both took the opportunistic “rayn is a strong player let’s go from there” door and tried to grill me.



I think DP came off as townier after review, but I wasn‘t going to proclaim that during night phase and his behaviour around Hapa flip seemed genuine unless he‘s pulling off HF style scumplay.

I take issue in this post that during D1 I had a similar perspective on TTT and DP having an associative component linking them and you keep perpetuating the same into this day expecting me to be an ally to you for the purposes of not getting lynched.

While I‘m over thinking that the associative behaviour made them mafia, I still think TTT in isolation can be.

To put it in simpler terms: Can you find arguments to scumread them in isolation? Because this looks like you‘re double omgusing without being clear about which one is the dishonest omgus and which one has a point.

At this point I think DP comes off as townier and TTT can be explained by being mafia who‘s hiding by attempting to be his shadow. Would explain the lack of suspicion on his part.


I think I made it clear that DP looks more town for the EoTD actions, like I have him almost locked town. I even changed my tone to him.


You just said I looked worse. Now I’m locked town??
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 12 2023 12:59 GMT
#1292
That EoTD, it would be kamikaze DP
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 12:59 GMT
#1293
On June 12 2023 21:52 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 21:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:48 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:41 CopCake wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:39 TankTopTiger wrote:
Look at filters for D1 between last game and this one:
Endurance Mafia CC reads on D1 (from obs QT):
    *Rayn
    *Koshi
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *Slam
    *Chez
    *Chez
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DMB
    *vivax
    *MZ
    *DP
    *Koshi
    *Slam


Endurance Mafia II CC reads on D1:
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *Rayn
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *LS
    *TTT


These are approx. cos I did it fast, but should be fairly reasonable birds eye view of her actions. There's no flipflopping this game, only blind read on Rayn early, singular shallow reads, and tunnels on people who suspect her.


This is a lie, I called LS and Slam town.


That actually makes you look worse in my opinion.


That fact you have only one scum read all game and haven’t actively suspected anyone who hasn’t suspected you make la you look worse to be clear


I called you and TTT mafia 🤷🏽‍♀️


How is this not what I said? You OMGUSed the people who were on you. And you tunneled hard D1. Last game it took you until D3 to even close to tunnel. You then suspended the tunnel D4 and jumped back on D5, so not even a true tunnel until D5!!
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 13:00 GMT
#1294
On June 12 2023 21:58 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 21:55 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:52 CopCake wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:48 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:41 CopCake wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:39 TankTopTiger wrote:
Look at filters for D1 between last game and this one:
Endurance Mafia CC reads on D1 (from obs QT):
    *Rayn
    *Koshi
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *Slam
    *Chez
    *Chez
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DMB
    *vivax
    *MZ
    *DP
    *Koshi
    *Slam


Endurance Mafia II CC reads on D1:
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *Rayn
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *LS
    *TTT


These are approx. cos I did it fast, but should be fairly reasonable birds eye view of her actions. There's no flipflopping this game, only blind read on Rayn early, singular shallow reads, and tunnels on people who suspect her.


This is a lie, I called LS and Slam town.


That actually makes you look worse in my opinion.


That fact you have only one scum read all game and haven’t actively suspected anyone who hasn’t suspected you make la you look worse to be clear


I called you and TTT mafia 🤷🏽‍♀️



Mostly just me though.


This is true, I tunelled you hard for the “ooofffff” comment.


That’s fine but I think your mafia because you had basically no other reads or suspicions aside from that tunnel and adjacent to that tunnel

That’s the easiest way at to take activity as mafia cause you don’t actually do anything except argue and analyse everything one player is doing and try and turn it scummy.

You are t actually interested in the alignments of other players.

That is why you are scum. On top of the other things.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 12 2023 13:00 GMT
#1295
On June 12 2023 21:58 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 21:57 CopCake wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:50 Vivax wrote:
On June 12 2023 20:03 CopCake wrote:
Tbh now TTT and DP look worse in my eyes (DP get a bit of a pass because of EotD and would be too tinfoil)

Because they relayed on the word of ONE person, and a obvq in which I didnt called rayn mafia that much to make a whoooooooooleeeee strong read on me.

To me it looks like one of them or both took the opportunistic “rayn is a strong player let’s go from there” door and tried to grill me.



I think DP came off as townier after review, but I wasn‘t going to proclaim that during night phase and his behaviour around Hapa flip seemed genuine unless he‘s pulling off HF style scumplay.

I take issue in this post that during D1 I had a similar perspective on TTT and DP having an associative component linking them and you keep perpetuating the same into this day expecting me to be an ally to you for the purposes of not getting lynched.

While I‘m over thinking that the associative behaviour made them mafia, I still think TTT in isolation can be.

To put it in simpler terms: Can you find arguments to scumread them in isolation? Because this looks like you‘re double omgusing without being clear about which one is the dishonest omgus and which one has a point.

At this point I think DP comes off as townier and TTT can be explained by being mafia who‘s hiding by attempting to be his shadow. Would explain the lack of suspicion on his part.


I think I made it clear that DP looks more town for the EoTD actions, like I have him almost locked town. I even changed my tone to him.


You just said I looked worse. Now I’m locked town??


I also said I gave you a pass for EotD, and also said “almost”
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 13:01 GMT
#1296
On June 12 2023 21:59 CopCake wrote:
That EoTD, it would be kamikaze DP


After that happened you literally said I looked worse.

You put out a thread to see if vivax would bite and when he didn’t you backtrack fast.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 13:02 GMT
#1297
On June 12 2023 22:00 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 21:58 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:57 CopCake wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:50 Vivax wrote:
On June 12 2023 20:03 CopCake wrote:
Tbh now TTT and DP look worse in my eyes (DP get a bit of a pass because of EotD and would be too tinfoil)

Because they relayed on the word of ONE person, and a obvq in which I didnt called rayn mafia that much to make a whoooooooooleeeee strong read on me.

To me it looks like one of them or both took the opportunistic “rayn is a strong player let’s go from there” door and tried to grill me.



I think DP came off as townier after review, but I wasn‘t going to proclaim that during night phase and his behaviour around Hapa flip seemed genuine unless he‘s pulling off HF style scumplay.

I take issue in this post that during D1 I had a similar perspective on TTT and DP having an associative component linking them and you keep perpetuating the same into this day expecting me to be an ally to you for the purposes of not getting lynched.

While I‘m over thinking that the associative behaviour made them mafia, I still think TTT in isolation can be.

To put it in simpler terms: Can you find arguments to scumread them in isolation? Because this looks like you‘re double omgusing without being clear about which one is the dishonest omgus and which one has a point.

At this point I think DP comes off as townier and TTT can be explained by being mafia who‘s hiding by attempting to be his shadow. Would explain the lack of suspicion on his part.


I think I made it clear that DP looks more town for the EoTD actions, like I have him almost locked town. I even changed my tone to him.


You just said I looked worse. Now I’m locked town??


I also said I gave you a pass for EotD, and also said “almost”


so which is it? I looked worse or I’m almost locked town?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 12 2023 13:02 GMT
#1298
On June 12 2023 21:59 TankTopTiger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 21:52 CopCake wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:48 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:41 CopCake wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:39 TankTopTiger wrote:
Look at filters for D1 between last game and this one:
Endurance Mafia CC reads on D1 (from obs QT):
    *Rayn
    *Koshi
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *Slam
    *Chez
    *Chez
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DMB
    *vivax
    *MZ
    *DP
    *Koshi
    *Slam


Endurance Mafia II CC reads on D1:
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *Rayn
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *LS
    *TTT


These are approx. cos I did it fast, but should be fairly reasonable birds eye view of her actions. There's no flipflopping this game, only blind read on Rayn early, singular shallow reads, and tunnels on people who suspect her.


This is a lie, I called LS and Slam town.


That actually makes you look worse in my opinion.


That fact you have only one scum read all game and haven’t actively suspected anyone who hasn’t suspected you make la you look worse to be clear


I called you and TTT mafia 🤷🏽‍♀️


How is this not what I said? You OMGUSed the people who were on you. And you tunneled hard D1. Last game it took you until D3 to even close to tunnel. You then suspended the tunnel D4 and jumped back on D5, so not even a true tunnel until D5!!


Is different to play an obvs than in game

Check my games, I am always chaotic.

Stop using an obvs as reference. And the word of ONE player.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 13:03 GMT
#1299
Wait actually ignore that bit about no tunnel D4. You were suspicious during that time.

BUT ALSO
You regretted calling Rayn red last game and so blind-read him town this game. You also tunneled both me and DP last game (we were your top reads, especially me) and yet you have no concern you might be wrong this game exept when Rayn tells you off.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 13:03 GMT
#1300
Ok this is ridiculous.

I am voting Copcake because I can’t understand how she is not just obvious mafia right now.

##vote: Copcake
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
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