Chezinu streak(s) Mafia

On July 26 2022 15:27 Grackaroni wrote:

(If we get a full lobby I'll happily host.)

On July 28 2022 00:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yolo
/in

On August 30 2022 03:20 Jockmcplop wrote:

Not you?

On August 30 2022 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:

lol?

On August 30 2022 03:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:

This shoud actually read "this game" at the start, phoneposting is phoneposting

On August 30 2022 03:31 CopCake wrote:
Hi Rels, long time no see :D

On August 30 2022 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Which post and whatsm i supposed to do eith it?

On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:


What?

On August 30 2022 03:14 deconduo wrote:


Awesome we have one confirmed town. Anyone else?

On August 30 2022 03:38 Jockmcplop wrote:


Reads like a roleclaim to me.

On August 30 2022 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'll get back to you Rels when i get home in an hour.
Happy youre playing and not afking though ^^

On August 30 2022 03:41 Jockmcplop wrote:


Am I wrong or was his clarification to do with a totally different post, not the 'lol?' or hf's post?
Confused.

On August 30 2022 03:42 Jockmcplop wrote:
^^meh
Thinking about it, probably any town would be happy at that, so ignore what i said.

On August 30 2022 03:48 deconduo wrote:


Same. Last game I played was Crossfire Mafia back in 2015

On August 30 2022 04:23 Jockmcplop wrote:

I think he's saying that he's ok with it if it happens.

On August 31 2022 08:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That's exactly what i was saying though.

On August 30 2022 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yeah, well i was prodding Vivax but since i mistyped the post already went to waste.

On August 31 2022 08:40 Tubesock wrote:


In a vacuum Jock did nitpick the list.

Why I'm not shading Jock for it is fairly simple. He's mentioned several times that he wished people would take their tongue out of their cheek. That day 1 is mostly only good for tone reads and chains of logic hurt his brain. He also basically responded to every single post in the game. He wants the game to be more science and logic based but knows and is being frustrated that it just isn't on day 1. He's lowkey frustrated that it's super hard to figure out day 1. So, I overall townread him for that effort. He's not complaining like a typical scum would, he's trying. So yeah he can nitpick away as I think the motivation is more town based. That being said, if later in the game he falls off then this was an act.

MZ on the other hand looks more like he was looking for stuff to find. Which we all do. I so far have disagreed with about everything that I can think of he's said.

On August 31 2022 08:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I don't really think you're getting where i am at for this, but i am right and you are wrong if you think Jock is mafia for this.

So please read further.

On August 31 2022 08:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How about you read the rest of the game and then get back to us Rels?

On August 30 2022 19:06 CopCake wrote:


I wasn't "backtracking", it was an honest "I assumed"

D:<

If HF was in that game, I would have tunneled him inmediatly but he wasn't so I have no reason.

On August 30 2022 19:12 Jockmcplop wrote:
A little summary of my thoughts on the start of the game before I went to bed, before i have look at the rest.
Overall thoughts on dandel ion's start:
I often end up in exchanges like that on day 1. For some reason people tend to post stuff that doesn't make sense from a town perspective, be openly and obviously evasive about answering questions, and invariably end up being town.
He certainly doesn't appear to be 'hiding' the way i would expect mafia to, but I just can't get over how scummy some of his reasoning is.

On August 31 2022 07:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i don't even know what Rels is but he can die because the only reason i am playing this game is because he asked me to and i said yes while working basically 2,5 jobs and then he is not even playing.

On August 31 2022 05:16 Koshi wrote:

The nested quotes are interesting conversations pushing the game forward.
You question is super random. You ask who was in the game? Why?

So did you ask specifically to know HF was in there? If so, why not explain what you thought about HF's reaction?
Such passive play.


How did HFs reaction made sense? rayn mistyped and said something incomprehensible.

I assume he meant 'this game has a mafia rb that does actually rb.

But that doesn't matter. The "What?" from HF was warranted because rayn was talking gibberish.




So I still don't know why you asked the player list and didn't just participate with the conversation that was happening right there in the thread.
I still don't know why HF reaction was potential scummy (you claimed it would have been scummy if he wasn't in the game)
And I still think you invented a reasoning after rayn pressured you about Jock and HF.

Can you explain the bolded? I am still curious.

On August 30 2022 19:42 CopCake wrote:


Because it would have been dumb/odd of him to continue to tunnel rayn on that if he was in the game, specially when he explained it was a phone derp.

And I will continue to ask questions, for example: Is it my meta to do this as mafia?
How is the "town copcake"?

On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:


What?

On August 30 2022 04:17 Holyflare wrote:
Wait where did Rayn clarify his post? I don't think the typo changes the question lol.

On August 30 2022 04:22 Holyflare wrote:


Why does saying this game has a rber that doesn't rb make any sense? Can't find anything about it in the OP.

On August 30 2022 05:17 CopCake wrote:


Do you happen to know who were in that game?
Maybe I was in there and I totally forgot x_x
I only remember you were very frustrated

On August 31 2022 10:18 Jockmcplop wrote:
While we're both here rels let me get to your question

On August 30 2022 21:26 CopCake wrote:


I honestly feel like people hasn't posted enough, the only thing that gave me a bad sensation was Vivax, he feels like another person and not himself.

I liked how deconduo reacted with the whole claiming town situation.

You seem too happy/freely while not pocketing so I think you are town.

I disliked how Ziphh took Deconduo list seriously. Still waiting for his answers.

I want more HF but overall Rels tho.

And the game sometimes can be too overwhelming as town, specially in the last couple of days and there is a misslynch or you lose situation (even tho it is also fun in a strange way) or as mafia when I have to give a performance and fake my emotions/reactions to events. And as you might have noticed I "tone read" most of the time.

Then I just close the tab and watch tv or do something else.

On August 31 2022 10:25 Jockmcplop wrote:

I'm looking for certain things that indicate town on day 1:
-Blatant, simple scumhunting
-Tunnelling in a productive way
-Getting people to share their thought process to help catch scum later.

DI's posting looked like it fit into the third category to me. He was posting nonsense, but in doing so he was also provoking people to show why they thought he was wrong and not backtracking or diverting attention away from it like i would expect from mafia.

Compare his posts to Vivax, my scumread, and you can see how dandel's posting seems to have a point and is geared towards eventually finding scum whereas Vivax isn't really doing anything like and just jumped on the first possible vote and stayed there. Vivax is also posting enough to not die but hasn't posted anything really that will get people talking. He's hiding, like i would expect mafia too. DI isn't, his posts provoke conversation about DI and his posts.

On August 30 2022 13:35 Alakaslam wrote:

Lol until I saw this shit I was gonna SR you by pointing out you were too fucking bitter but then remembered that bitterness is not alignment indicative

On August 31 2022 00:11 Holyflare wrote:
His further posts don't really lead to any kind of evaluation either. He was going to scum read Rayn but remembered Rayn was just bitter as either alignment, he gets into some weird mechanics argument with Dandel in #263 for a while (and actually in this post hesitates in scum reading Dandel?)

Then he circularly references his original suspicion in #269 saying he has no scum reads and that maybe Rayn is just mafia after all?

It doesn't read like a genuine thought process and I think he was afraid to push too far onto Dandel for fear of repercussions, rather than a genuine intent to solve Dandel's alignment.

On August 31 2022 10:40 Jockmcplop wrote:
Rels:

First DI said he was lynching me because i was scum. He then had that exchange with me and switched and said he was lynching decon.
The progression there reads to me like he's provoking reactions from players to try and get a read on them.
I agree with him that decon is at least a bit scummy so it makes sense that he would go there next.

Of course, to read him town based on this depends on his futureposting too and whether the progression continues, but it looks to me like a townie player getting info and finding a target.

On August 30 2022 05:02 Jockmcplop wrote:

In what way?

On August 30 2022 05:04 Jockmcplop wrote:

Also I will infer from this that your mind is close to made up and that you actually are trying to lynch me.

On August 31 2022 10:49 Jockmcplop wrote:

You don't have to apologize.

On August 31 2022 10:49 Jockmcplop wrote:

What do you think i was trying to win?

On August 30 2022 04:23 Jockmcplop wrote:

I think he's saying that he's ok with it if it happens.

On August 30 2022 19:43 Jockmcplop wrote:

It was in reference to a previous game, not the OP. Anyway, I agree, far too much discussion of that post.

On August 31 2022 10:51 Jockmcplop wrote:

And yet I didn't do that, so it doesn't make sense that that was my intention.

On August 31 2022 10:54 Jockmcplop wrote:

Canadians are 99% of the mafia.

On August 31 2022 10:58 Jockmcplop wrote:


The two are not mutually exclusive. Think about it. He was referencing a previous game, while saying that in this game, he would be fine with the mafia rb not rbing.

On August 31 2022 11:00 Jockmcplop wrote:
I do admire how much completely useless 'content' has come from that one typo by rayn lol. It could probably fill at least 3 pages now, and not one thing has come from it that i would find convincing.

Mafia players are a special breed.

On August 31 2022 11:02 Jockmcplop wrote:

So what about it seems like i'm trying to get a win?
I already explained why i wanted him to vote for me. Like 3 times. I was also pushing a bit because i felt there was a contradiction there, but I never tried to scumread him for it.

On August 30 2022 05:32 Jockmcplop wrote:


hmm
There's a huge space between 'looking town being the number 1 objective for town', and 'town should try to look mafia'.
I never said town should try to look mafia, I said if you're town and your posts show that you're town you shouldn't have to try, or have it be an objective.

On August 30 2022 19:12 Jockmcplop wrote:

Deconduo's first post.
I'm calling it now.
If one of decon or chezinu is mafia, the other is too.
Like obviously we're never lynching chezinu on day one and posting this is a good way to get some suspicion on anyone who agrees with him and tries to lynch chez.
Also, it might just be a joke post, but even if it is, i think its possible to make this connection from it.

Serious question to decon:

Can you go back through your posts, there's been plenty of them, and tell us which ones we can take seriously, except for the posts you make telling us not to take other posts seriously?
Because it seems to me like every time you post something and someone comments on it, its either a joke post, or you didn't actually mean what you were saying, or its tongue in cheek.
If you don't put your tongue back in its natural position sometime soon you're at a terrible risk of it getting stuck in your cheek.

On August 31 2022 04:36 deconduo wrote:
Matt will either appear or be killed off at this point so

##Vote: Rels for now, posting just enough to not get modkilled

On August 31 2022 11:32 Jockmcplop wrote:
Rels why is vivax a good vig target in your opinion, but apparently a bad lynch target as you won't vote for him?

On August 31 2022 11:29 Jockmcplop wrote:

Pretty much.
There wasn't much to say at the time because all of his posts turned out to be jokes as soon as anyone questioned them.
So that's all there is to analyse, and it looks pretty scummy to me.

On August 31 2022 11:39 Jockmcplop wrote:

Ok so,
If Vivax's flip would be random, and you'd vote for him over a lot of other people, that means you read a lot of people as better than random chance of flipping town.
Which people?

On August 31 2022 11:53 Rels wrote:
MZ, I really liked his opening posts basically. Let me see why. Oh yeah, entering the thread with 3 straight scumreads and no townreads. Didn't feel like MZ entered the thread trying to blend in or being townread by the rest of the town. This needs a meta check to stand.

On October 29 2010 12:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Hi guys checking in, I think I'll be voting for pandain or bum.

On August 31 2022 12:00 Jockmcplop wrote:


OK
I've a fairly good idea of where you're at.

I would say, however, that I've played with rayn as scum before and he's done exactly this kind of thing (getting upset and threatening to leave the game) on day 1, which in my eyes at least throws a bit of doubt on your reason for townreading him.
I don't have a solid read on rayn yet, but i think its worth pointing out.
I shall try and go and find this previous game i'm talking about, but my memory is sieve like so it might take me a while.

On August 31 2022 12:07 Vivax wrote:
You thought there was insanity at play, but you haven't seen anything yet
Or at least, it's the only insanity you were able to spot

On August 31 2022 12:09 Jockmcplop wrote:
Meh rels i can't find the game i was thinking of and its 4am here so i'm going to bed. If you want me to post it tomorrow just leave a note here and i will find it.

On August 31 2022 12:36 Alakaslam wrote:

If I may what do you think my townie reaction would be instead? As scum the thought process is obvious in light of your post.

The reason I ask, is that I did in fact have that thought process...

On August 30 2022 13:35 Alakaslam wrote:

Lol until I saw this shit I was gonna SR you by pointing out you were too fucking bitter but then remembered that bitterness is not alignment indicative

On August 31 2022 16:04 Koshi wrote:


I don't understand how one could say the above, and then discard it with the below.
My case is about how Copcake, at the start of the game, played disconnected (doesn't participate in the current discussion, but asks random questions) and her very passive way to push info in the thread.
And a potential fabricated reasoning after being pushed by rayn on Jock/HF.

If you understand that. How the fuck do you brush that away because HF made 3 posts and now it all make sense.

And that townie post from CC is not that supertownie at all.

On August 31 2022 16:07 Koshi wrote:

Slam posts good stuff between the random stuff. He just never draws attention to it.

On August 31 2022 21:04 Jockmcplop wrote:

I could see this being true, for sure.
He's doubling down on weird things, repeating stuff others have said, and being pretty ambiguous about much of the other stuff.
In fact, I'm adding rels to my vote list.

Our chat last night really went nowhere. He didn't even try to get any new information out of me even though he was questioning me about all of his concerns and ended up still at the same point he was before he asked the questions.
I'm like I was answering all his questions without being evasive or arguing, why can't he use that to progress his reads, or the game somehow. Instead he's still stuck on rayn's very first post which generated nothing useful? I don't buy it to be honest, and nothing has really changed at all from that interaction, except for i now scumread rels.

On August 31 2022 21:45 Dandel Ion wrote:
[..]
The only player Rels bothers to fake a shred of progression on is Copcake.
That's literally it. Nothing on nobody else really means anything to this man.
Rels is mafia and as a tight little bonus i'm pretty sure that if he flips red decon is the next scum.

On August 31 2022 22:28 deconduo wrote:


I never pretended it was anything else. Pretty standard day 1 pressure vote to get inactives active. Active just means posting, I don't expect anyone to instantly write a page of awesome scumhuting. I don't expect everyone to be an awesome scumhunting wizard on day 1.

Maybe I just have low standards

On August 31 2022 23:02 CopCake wrote:
I could change my vote for rels.

On August 31 2022 23:29 Jockmcplop wrote:


Well you started suspicious of me and ended on this:


So that's why I assumed you hadn't progressed.

Which reminds me i've looked at like 6-7 games and I can't find the one i was thinking of. Maybe i was misremembering.

On August 31 2022 09:12 Holyflare wrote:
Can talk about Slam if you want

On August 31 2022 10:42 Rels wrote:
Reading Slam's filter, nothing else really jumps as scum or town. Makes sense, I have a very hard time reading Slam usually.

HF on your case, I don't think most of it makes Slam scum. The only thing that does in my mind is the post I've talked about, and yeah maybe the other ones in the same paragraph:


They also feel kind of fabricated. Less so than the one I've quoted above but a little bit.

On August 31 2022 23:37 Rels wrote:
Slam HF would make sense
HF is making posts just good enough to be townread, not enough for it to be weird to not be NKd
Makes a good case on his teammate, don't really push it. Let the wagons be on other person
When I started to be around I wanted to talk about Slam, then didn't comment when I talked about Slam? I might be wrong about the timing though let's see

On August 30 2022 22:23 Holyflare wrote:
Playing on MU has ruined this website for me lol.

Also, I've grown and adapted as a human being so take this in full faith that I, as a townie, am doing this with the utmost sincerity because I really liked Koshi's MZ points (yes, this parrots what Rayn is saying above). I just think he extrapolated the read a smidge too far to apply it to copcake and then distracted himself.

##Vote MZ

On August 31 2022 23:41 Jockmcplop wrote:
I'd like to hear from holyflare anyway in general. What he thinks about my opinion on his slam case etc.
Rels I'm sorry to leave you alone in the thread again but i have to go nap i had like 3 hours sleep last night and then a long hospital treatment this morning and its hitting me now.
I'll be back in an hour or so.

On August 30 2022 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi top town. I sm not sure if stuff on Cake and MZ makrs them mafia but nevertheless its legit stuff and townie thought process. Esp on MZ he uses very weird narratives in his scumhunting on what he thinks makes people mafia. Pretty sure he got lynched for it as town last game i played with him.

On August 30 2022 22:23 Holyflare wrote:
Playing on MU has ruined this website for me lol.

Also, I've grown and adapted as a human being so take this in full faith that I, as a townie, am doing this with the utmost sincerity because I really liked Koshi's MZ points (yes, this parrots what Rayn is saying above). I just think he extrapolated the read a smidge too far to apply it to copcake and then distracted himself.

##Vote MZ

On August 31 2022 01:02 Holyflare wrote:
Oh wait you mean it's supposed to imply MZ was townie last time and not that Koshi being weird makes Koshi townie???

On August 31 2022 01:03 Holyflare wrote:
Ah, yeah, seems I misread. I retract my townie points on you then :D

On August 31 2022 23:56 Holyflare wrote:


Why are you saying this like it's some kind of revelation? There was a whole discussion about how I misread Rayn's post. Even if I didn't and that wasn't what he was actually saying, is it some kind of post that leads you to be so confused that you drop everything and suddenly think I'm mafia? Is there a benefit to me wrongly summarising the post directly above mine?

It feels a lot like you're trying to create things out of thin air.

On August 31 2022 23:59 Holyflare wrote:



This is such a bs transition too. You think my points have merit, you think Slam is kinda scummy. I think you're even voting Slam at this point(?) but you somehow transition to "lowkey" wanting to vote me as an associative before you've even wagoned the person you actually think I'm partnered with and discovering if that's a legit concern???

On September 01 2022 00:01 Holyflare wrote:
I am just not reading the thread properly and coasting by.

Why does that make me an alignment?

On September 01 2022 00:08 Holyflare wrote:
I've literally just appeared in the thread lol

On September 01 2022 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
And what's Vivax got to do with anything?

On August 31 2022 20:59 Koshi wrote:
6 people want to vote Vivax off based on what exactly? Role-playing as a trashcan?
So it is a 100% meta vote?

On September 01 2022 00:19 Holyflare wrote:
The problem I have with what you are doing is that you are just performatively scum hunting. Your thoughts displayed are erratic and not well thought out because you would rather jump on something rather than trying to solve the situation instead.

On September 01 2022 00:19 Holyflare wrote:
You did this with this post and you did it with the "not wanting to talk about Slam" post. Back to back.

Why even float that you'd want to vote me if you didn't actually want to do that and it's "not that strong really"???

On September 01 2022 00:36 Holyflare wrote:


##vote rels

I have absolutely 0% faith that you posted you lowkey wanted to vote me to get me to react. I can think of no conceivable thought process of "I town read his posts, he's been a bit inactive, let's float the idea that he's mafia with the guy I'm scum reading and he's scum reading to bait his reaction for the lols".

I think you're trying to find someone to wagon and floated my name out there to test the waters.

On September 01 2022 00:46 Holyflare wrote:
Every Tubesock post is an excercise in some kind of TMI meta read or something.

On September 01 2022 01:37 Alakaslam wrote:

Reasonable, keep in mind I have heard him talk about that game and am aware that he is pretty good at self control.

More important for you to address Dandel Ion's case on you rb, he and Jock be convincing me at the very least.

On August 31 2022 23:25 Rels wrote:

What a shitty case :p
Of course I didn't have progression. I was only active for a few hours, during which noone was there apart from Jock. And talking to Jock made me progress too, as said above.
Why would I suddenly change my reads on people in the 2 or so hours I was there and those people didn't do anything new?

On September 01 2022 01:31 Holyflare wrote:

Soft TMI meta read on me

On September 01 2022 01:31 Holyflare wrote:


TMI meta reads on Rayn

On September 01 2022 02:09 Alakaslam wrote:
Nope it's happening.

Rels what are your thoughts then, if you're here?

On September 01 2022 02:13 deconduo wrote:
Hmm, MZ + Jock makes sense as a team

On September 01 2022 02:21 Jockmcplop wrote:

So who are responsible for creating the second wagon in your eyes?

On September 01 2022 02:27 Alakaslam wrote:
I love chezinu but if he doesn't play he doesn't play. Mass switch to the chez?

On September 01 2022 02:28 CopCake wrote:
Tbh rels part of the reason why I consider you are mafia is your thinking progression, on the other hand now seeing that you went against HF, I consider that would be like a stupid mafia move.

I don't see mafia rels winning something out of it.

In mafia rels eyes, I would let town misslynch, maybe pocket and sheep someone, then disappear, then come back and be like "Oh sorry guys busy"

Tinfoiling atm.

On August 31 2022 21:45 Dandel Ion wrote:
Rels, just read along in his filter if you will I'm going chronological on this

#529 rayn and koshi top town, votes copcake and floats jock and slam
as per #533 copcake is a sheep off koshi
that all looks fine so far, no?
#534, #535, #537 is the first instance of what I mean. HF wasn't tunneling but hey maybe he was tunneling after all.
This is meant to look like progression but it's actually just nothing.
#542 towncases copcake

next saga
#543 vivax and dandel deserve to be shot
#544 because we're both 'useless'

then
#548 Slam is scummy
#553 actually he has no idea how to read Slam and his filter is not alignment indicative for him. HF's case does not make Slam scum. But Slam's posts still 'feel kind of fabricated'.

back on an old horse
#555 I'm just reacting to jock, which implies jock is leading and driving the conversation and I'm just being pulled along, however,
#556 + #557 Jock is still the one looking like mafia here, somehow because it "seems that you want to grab an easy win while fearing to be too obvious"
When his own argument to dismiss me is that jock drove the entire conversation. But that can not possibly be townie because professional fencesitter Rels needs more pointy bits of wood to park his ass.
#558 notably directly after the above, asks Vivax to participate, probably in full trust that Vivax will not, in fact do that. And you can always point back and go 'bad meanie Vivax didn't want to talk to me, big sad so scum'. This is just set-up for a future push and in no way can Rels actually think this would help him in reading Vivax.

But then, it's not really about trying to figure out who is town and who is scum, just who is 'pushable' and how believable these pushes are.

Going along
#562 Jock was just looking for an easy way to fabricate a scumread
When jock points out that he didn't, #569 comes to the rescue because that certainly does not prove that Rels is WRONG. It could totally be except he caps the post off by weakening his own stance to 'just a counter-example, not proof'.
Yo for real my fence is breaking under the weight of this man.

YO IT'S MY HOMEBOI DECONDUO UP IN HEA
#573 "hahahaha =D" jock's decon case is unconvincing but Rels will re-read it.
I assume it's not terrible because he doesn't post about it further just asks about it in #578
instead
#576 jock is just so scummy holy shit guyse
#579 Rels is now voting Slam
#583 decon's vote on Rels is "bad :p"
#584 Slam is the preferred lynch
#586 actually, decon is super natural, and yeah sure there's little 'substance' but for no discernable reason deconduo deserves completely different treatment than Vivax or Dandel did when decon is essentially the same slot.
Decon is mafia with Rels calling it here, especially since
#587 in Rels' townreads, decon suddenly doesn't appear at all! Wowzers! idk fam the last post sure read like a supposed townread to me but what do I know
#588 PoE, decon is in here because Rels remembered his own strategy I assume. But Vivax should be lynched over him (or Tube/Matt) anyway, funny how that works out. Whoever's not there is supposed to be scum I guess, idk. So me/Slam/jock but Rels doesn't have the cojones to actually call out a scumteam with both me and jock on it because he knows how insane and wrong that will sound to anybody.


The only player Rels bothers to fake a shred of progression on is Copcake.
That's literally it. Nothing on nobody else really means anything to this man.
Rels is mafia and as a tight little bonus i'm pretty sure that if he flips red decon is the next scum.

On September 01 2022 02:34 Alakaslam wrote:
Lol out of self preservation even, if I must appeal to that

On September 01 2022 02:42 Jockmcplop wrote:

I don't think so right now.
He's trying to save decon right now and the only reasoning in his filter about it is that decon's useless early posting 'felt natural'.

On September 01 2022 02:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I think with tube's vote now I'm going to by lynched lol.

On September 01 2022 02:51 Jockmcplop wrote:

Your vote is on him.

On August 31 2022 21:45 Dandel Ion wrote:
Rels is mafia and as a tight little bonus i'm pretty sure that if he flips red decon is the next scum.

Here it looks like he tried to summon him to talk and get him to vote Slam. If HF voted Slam then others probably would have followed. Slam being low hanging fruit.

Vivax has a 4 page filter. I have 2. Mattchew has 1. I just don't think you can really look at Vivax's filter and mine and go Tube tried more. Yeah, I had reads in there but I didn't really explain anything. So he's said that Vivax has potential when he's town, and there are 3 others with less filter but arguably equal(ish) content and he wants to vig / soft push Vivax? I mean he can't really push me cause protection from Rayn and Koshi. He can't go against them.

Did any townies think Vivax was a leading wagon? To me this looks like he's paranoid about his partner getting lynched.

Where did Rels shut down the Vivax lynch? I don't see any advocacy to not vote Vivax. He asked HF why not Slam over Vivax but that's about all the shutting down there was overtly.

It's super weird how he treats Vivax over others that are essentially equal or worse. Like he doesn't have any meta read on me (I'm assuming since he hasn't mentioned anything) but if Vivax is so easy to read down the line, why say he's a good vigi shot and not one he just won't ever know like Chezinu or me or Mattchew?

Rels can't defend Vivax. So he has to push Slam. He doesn't really push Vivax but later when Vivax flips mafia then he can try to say "I totally pushed Vivax!" but he's not. He doesn't vote him, he doesn't ask for anyone to vote him.

On September 02 2022 05:42 CopCake wrote:


All game you talked about slam and then is vivax and his friends.

Elaborate?

#vote: rels

On September 02 2022 06:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I know Rels brushes this off by "dude he just quoted my every post" and if you just glance at it that's how it looks, but there is this:

This is pretty much how i felt at that point.

On August 31 2022 23:25 Rels wrote:

What a shitty case :p
Of course I didn't have progression. I was only active for a few hours, during which noone was there apart from Jock. And talking to Jock made me progress too, as said above.
Why would I suddenly change my reads on people in the 2 or so hours I was there and those people didn't do anything new?

On September 02 2022 06:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Come night 1 there is also this post where he contributes. The reads pretty much start with this:

"Assuming this person is this alignment then this is true because _______" is a very shitty way to start progressing reads and Rels should be good enough to not do that as town because he can't POSSIBLY know MZ's alignment FOR SURE if he is town. Yet he has already created a narrative on which players to question. I think Rels is fairly likely to be mafia.

On September 02 2022 06:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax is absolutely not worth keeping around, especially compared to rels.

On September 02 2022 06:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Right Rels also parroted Koshi's stupid point about keeping Vivax around until D3.

On September 02 2022 07:37 Holyflare wrote:
Mattchew

raynpelikoneet

Dandel Ion
Rels
Jockmcplop

CopCake
Meapak_Ziphh
Alakaslam

Chezinu
Vivax

Tubesock

Game is kinda scuffed if this is my reads list lol

On September 02 2022 09:47 Holyflare wrote:


Game was kinda dead, he brought life to it.

The amount of scummy LHF pushing for his wagon is above critical mass enough that I think mafia are just pushing there because it's a free place to hide currently.

The voracity of people gunning for him doesn't equate to how people have been pushing him. I made some posts, Dandel made a case, Jock kind of interacted with it yet it's not those 3 names that are really clamouring for his head currently, it's just a weird vague consensus where these other people don't really explain why they want to vote rels.

On September 02 2022 09:58 Chezinu wrote:
There is usually that one mafia that votes against the others when there are 3 mafia for that town credits. Players like HF and Vivax would be the GF-like mafia style.

On September 01 2022 02:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Man the amount of people who are accepting poor town play bc it's either "just joking" or "they're easy to meta read later" is really frustrating.

Vivax is absolutely not worth keeping around, especially compared to rels.

Decon can't even pay attention to the thread. Either of these two are better votes than rels.

On September 01 2022 02:28 CopCake wrote:
Tbh rels part of the reason why I consider you are mafia is your thinking progression, on the other hand now seeing that you went against HF, I consider that would be like a stupid mafia move.

I don't see mafia rels winning something out of it.

In mafia rels eyes, I would let town misslynch, maybe pocket and sheep someone, then disappear, then come back and be like "Oh sorry guys busy"

Tinfoiling atm.

On September 01 2022 02:32 CopCake wrote:
Like, Rels went and picked one of the "Big vocal guys" and that doesn't compute unless MZ is mafia with him.