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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 30 2022 21:32 GMT
#461
On August 31 2022 05:19 Koshi wrote:
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On August 31 2022 05:08 Mattchew wrote:
Ok lets get started.

Theres been a lot of conversation about individual player habits and previous games, honestly i havent played in forever and dont remember the games i did play, i will also not be going back thru previous games/players history to expand on these reads. I will obviously be reading and judging posts with these reads but thru a lens of just this game

Having read up to page 22, there was only 1 player that super stuck out as someone I was suspicious of based on just this game and that player is raynpelikoneet. every single one of his posts is either talking about setup/mechanics/game theory or a hard neutral reads, all of this reads to me as if he is trying to look like he is free posting and active town while not actually saying anything.

On August 30 2022 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi top town. I sm not sure if stuff on Cake and MZ makrs them mafia but nevertheless its legit stuff and townie thought process. Esp on MZ he uses very weird narratives in his scumhunting on what he thinks makes people mafia. Pretty sure he got lynched for it as town last game i played with him.

Deconduo probs mafia. Apparently all he has said has been sarcasm and prolonging the discussion about that when people dont understand its sarcasm. Very counter productive. Hopefully he does some scumhunting if he happens to be town. Last night o read some of hisrecent games and town filter is scumhunting and scum filter is setup shit talking, so here pretty much the same.

Jock probs town too, maybe dandel too. Doesnt look like he hassny scum driven agenda. Tjose are my reads i have until p15.


Like this is his most active post in the game so far and the only thing hes said since actual reads discussion has started (notice his activity has dropped significantly with real game conversation taking place). It consists of what I consider a pretty light/meme read on koshi, a "im not sure" on cake/mz, and insanely light scum read on decon that screams "i can bail on this read if needed" and 2 more random "probs town".

This to me is quintessential mafia not knowing how to interject opinions into the game because they have too much information and thinking that day 1 activity can get them thru to day 2.

________________________________________________________________________________________________


The MZ push on CC is also something that has caught my eye. + Show Spoiler +
On August 31 2022 02:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok starting where I left off.

Firstly, copcake fluff
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 30 2022 03:31 CopCake wrote:
Hi Rels, long time no see :D

On August 30 2022 03:47 CopCake wrote:
Hi Jock, long time no see.
On August 30 2022 03:49 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2022 03:48 deconduo wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:41 Rels wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'll get back to you Rels when i get home in an hour.
Happy youre playing and not afking though ^^

haha yeah I'm hyped to be playing after years of abstinence :p


Same. Last game I played was Crossfire Mafia back in 2015


Oh shit
On August 30 2022 05:19 CopCake wrote:
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On August 30 2022 05:13 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 30 2022 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 30 2022 05:04 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 30 2022 05:02 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 05:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 30 2022 04:58 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 04:57 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 30 2022 04:53 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 04:51 Dandel Ion wrote:
I lack both money and a mouth

Neo?
Is that you?

are we ever truly anybody?

Yes you are Alice in a poorly constructed metaphor about a rabbit hole.

Staying on topic though, you may have no mouth and no money but you certainly have a vote.
If you're going to try and lynch me as you said you were you should use it.

no I shouldn't voting is counterproductive to obtaining a lynch

In what way?

It scares the sheep
"On no I can't believe he's mafia he has more votes than players in the game"
(1)plus the later you vote the more townie you are and (2)I only care about how townie I look

when ever have you cared about this?

always
I was just very good at hiding my feelings



Sorry, the comment sounded very edgy. Couldn't resist.
On August 30 2022 05:56 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2022 05:53 deconduo wrote:
Sorry forgot about the post where I confirmed I was town, updated list:

100% confirmed town:
Holyflare
deconduo

Leaning Town:
Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)


Undecided:
Alakaslam
CopCake
Tubesock
Meapak_Ziphh
raynpelikoneet
Rels
Mattchew

Leaning Mafia:
Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi)
Koshi

Chezinu:
Chezinu


If Alakaslam doesn't post "Hijole" in his first post you can call him mafia.
On August 30 2022 19:44 CopCake wrote:
Btw, in my last mafia game I was magnificent.

On August 30 2022 20:17 CopCake wrote:
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I also hate the constant question asking, Koshi already covered why it's scummy and I agree with him:
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On August 30 2022 18:30 Koshi wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:20 CopCake wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:14 deconduo wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:
I'm town


Awesome we have one confirmed town. Anyone else?


Are you saying you are not town?


On August 30 2022 03:24 CopCake wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb


Are you talking of a past game or?


On August 30 2022 05:17 CopCake wrote:
On August 30 2022 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:47 Rels wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:41 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:36 Rels wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:28 Rels wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[quote]
lol?

did you skip HF post on purpose?

Which post and whatsm i supposed to do eith it?

Was wondering why you didn't address this post:
On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb


What?

But responded to the very next one:
On August 30 2022 03:14 deconduo wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:
I'm town


Awesome we have one confirmed town. Anyone else?

But then you posted your clarification at the same time I posted my question


Am I wrong or was his clarification to do with a totally different post, not the 'lol?' or hf's post?
Confused.

He didn't reply to HF post directly but addressed the question (at least a little bit, we'll apparently get the full context of the Vivax trap later)

So yeah, "this game i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb" is a reference to the last game where i was mafia with vivax and he rb'd trfel who we knew was jailer, just to realize after night phase that even though trfel got roleblocked he could still jail me (apparently "before getting roleblocked" roflmao) and our night kill didn't go through. It actually sparked a stupidly idiotic post game discussion where some people actually considered that is not bs hosting.

Anyways it was originally a prod towards Vivax since not once or twice have i figured out his alignment based on some random looking comment which he should be actually responding to (at least jokingly if not otherwise), and here also feeling the same way in case he is also town. He's known to pay way less attention to the game as mafia than as town, especially early on in the game. But yeah i typoed and it is what it is now, useless.

I don't really think i should have any response about HF's posts because my post is not directed to him (same as Jock a bit later). I don't remember if i actually talked about the incident later with HF in discord but anyways he's gonna claim he doesn't remember it or doesn't genuinely remember it (in case we did talk about it) and there is no way to confirm that so there really is nothing for me to respond.
_____

I liked Jock's eagerness in the beginning, although now i don't really know what he's trying to do especially with deconduo, after deconduo's first couple of posts i don't think there is anything could be alignment indicative, yet for some reason Jock's pushing that forward, it seems quite useless to me. I was about to say i think he's town earlier, but i will take that back.

deconduo's a bit... idk. I don't think his response to HF's "im town" is alignment indicative necessarily, just very... stupid? However i really don't get this:
On August 30 2022 03:30 deconduo wrote:
Nah I haven't claimed town yet, still deciding.

What incentive would you EVER have to NOT claim town as town in your mind deconduo?


Do you happen to know who were in that game?
Maybe I was in there and I totally forgot x_x
I only remember you were very frustrated

Asking random questions is classic struggling mafia behavior searching a way to engage the thread. The first 2 are fine and could be seen as playful, but the last quote holds an entire conversation and I feel copcake her post is disconnected from the chain. It breaks the pressure, doesn't add value, feels off. This post pinged me initially.

Next let's go through the progression of reads on the infamous "decon joke list"

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On August 30 2022 16:01 CopCake wrote:
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
On August 30 2022 05:51 deconduo wrote:
100% confirmed town
Holyflare

Leaning Town:
Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)


Undecided:
deconduo
Alakaslam
CopCake
Tubesock
Meapak_Ziphh
raynpelikoneet
Rels
Mattchew

Leaning Mafia:
Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi)
Koshi

Chezinu:
Chezinu

Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.


You know his list is just a joke, right?

And have I been only “fluffy” in the thread? Have I not questioned anything in it? If you are so sure please tell me about it.

Arriving and typing “I don’t like this” is not of great help if you can’t justify it.

Ok it starts with a question to me about the list being a joke, whether it's a joke or not doesn't change the fact that I don't like the post, although apparently I'm mister no fun and lots of humor has gone over my head this game.

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On August 30 2022 21:26 CopCake wrote:
On August 30 2022 20:49 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 20:43 CopCake wrote:
On August 30 2022 20:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 20:31 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 30 2022 17:10 deconduo wrote:
Morning all. I heard you like lists. I like lists. I'm gonna make another list.

People who are fun:
Jock
Dandel
Slam
Koshi
Vivax
CopCake
Tube

Neutral:
Rels
Matt

People who are not fun:
Rayn

People who are attempting to suck every molecule of fun from the game:
MZ

Chezinu:
Chezinu

this list is unironically revolting
koshi in the fun category smh

your last list was better, you fell off


It made me feel good, which gave me bad vibes instantly.
Man this game is so anti-human sometimes.


I think is the opposite, I tend to put so much "feel" I tend to feel exhausted at the end. Specially the times when I roll scum several times consecutive.


Its definitely exhausting. I get what you mean, I think we're saying similar things. I get exhausted constantly having to second guess myself remembering not to like people who are being likeable. That's what i mean by anti-human.
Do you have any reads yet?


I honestly feel like people hasn't posted enough, the only thing that gave me a bad sensation was Vivax, he feels like another person and not himself.

I liked how deconduo reacted with the whole claiming town situation.

You seem too happy/freely while not pocketing so I think you are town.

I disliked how Ziphh took Deconduo list seriously. Still waiting for his answers.

I want more HF but overall Rels tho.

And the game sometimes can be too overwhelming as town, specially in the last couple of days and there is a misslynch or you lose situation (even tho it is also fun in a strange way) or as mafia when I have to give a performance and fake my emotions/reactions to events. And as you might have noticed I "tone read" most of the time.

Then I just close the tab and watch tv or do something else.

Ok so now we're waiting on my response because copcake disliked that I took it seriously.

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On August 30 2022 23:42 CopCake wrote:
On August 30 2022 23:31 Holyflare wrote:
On August 30 2022 23:30 CopCake wrote:
Let me get this right, HF.

There is a world in which me and Ziphh could be mafia together just because he threw my name out of nowhere?

Ooppss, I am super mafia for asking another thing.


Absolutely


With this caveat:

On August 30 2022 23:07 Holyflare wrote:
To clarify, I don't think Cop is scummy independently currently, I just have tinfoil purely based on MZ speculation.



I honestly think that is like, bad reasoning.

Specially because he also mentioned jock first. Not just me and Deconduo list.

Even tho I agree that he taking deconduo's list seriously is bad, I kinda feel it is too bad to be mafia. I don't think mafia would try to put themselves in the spotlight early and be more wary of what they are posting.


So it's "seriously bad" but it might just be "too bad?"

It really feels like copcake is taking cues from the thread sentiment to come up with a scumread here (which they aren't even committed too since they give themselves an out of "too bad to be scum" in case the thread moves away from my lynch or I flip town." Seriously, either call me scum or don't. It looks like cope is trying to position themselves in the middle so that they can continue to flow with thread sentiment.

copecake doesn't even get credit for calling me out for my take on decon (which I still think isn't bad):
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On August 30 2022 10:53 Tubesock wrote:
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
On August 30 2022 05:51 deconduo wrote:
100% confirmed town
Holyflare

Leaning Town:
Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)


Undecided:
deconduo
Alakaslam
CopCake
Tubesock
Meapak_Ziphh
raynpelikoneet
Rels
Mattchew

Leaning Mafia:
Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi)
Koshi

Chezinu:
Chezinu

Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.


But that's the best list post of the ENTIRE game!

Why don't you see that as a mostly joke post with 1 (technically 2) useful read? He looks pretty playful to me.

Show nested quote +
On August 30 2022 16:01 CopCake wrote:
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
On August 30 2022 05:51 deconduo wrote:
100% confirmed town
Holyflare

Leaning Town:
Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)


Undecided:
deconduo
Alakaslam
CopCake
Tubesock
Meapak_Ziphh
raynpelikoneet
Rels
Mattchew

Leaning Mafia:
Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi)
Koshi

Chezinu:
Chezinu

Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.


You know his list is just a joke, right?

And have I been only “fluffy” in the thread? Have I not questioned anything in it? If you are so sure please tell me about it.

Arriving and typing “I don’t like this” is not of great help if you can’t justify it.


Tube beats her to the punch here.

The final issue I have with copecake is the general tone and defensive/apologetic posts:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 30 2022 21:28 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2022 21:27 Jockmcplop wrote:
Let me ax you somefink.

If MZ isn't being FUN, does that affect how you see his alignment, if so, how?


Don't ask too many questions or you are going to be mafia!

On August 30 2022 23:30 CopCake wrote:
Let me get this right, HF.

There is a world in which me and Ziphh could be mafia together just because he threw my name out of nowhere?

Ooppss, I am super mafia for asking another thing.

On August 31 2022 00:07 CopCake wrote:
But you made yourself clear, you don't need to explain further, I understand were you are coming from even if it is "bad" in my point of view.

I probably wrote that wrong.


These are just so... bleh. Townies don't need to defend their behavior, townies don't need to act apologetic. It feels like someone who got caught in a scumtell and is now not sure how to play it off.

I know I said that was the final issue but one more thing bothers me with copecake and that's the complete lack of reads despite all the questions. If you're going to be active and questioning, as a townie you should probably start to have some solid reads. And I don't really count townreading someone because that's super easy for scum to do. I think(?) I'm their only scumread but even that is so wishy washy it's hard to tell.

Anyway I'll go take another look at decon and then try to figure out wtf my read of jock is but for now my vote will be on copecake.


I can't find anything wrong with this post, he is correct about the tone of posts and similarly to my rayn read finds a lot of fluff that anyone can post for activity that doesnt actually help town progress forward towards a mafia lynch. MZ seems to be playing the game very seriously which I can appreciate and at this point is trying to nail down his CC read and is pushing incredibly hard for it which screams MZ is town to me.

TLDR: MZ is top town read, Rayn and CC top mafia and Chez rulez



I don't disagree with what you wrote.
BUT
What if rayn is actually just really busy and therefore only gave lazy reads?
Your case depends a lot on, rayn pretends to be busy and is skating by to survive day 1?


i miss when this was you
On August 30 2022 21:37 Koshi wrote:
Ok then I call Rels, rayn and Hf all 3 mafia.

A backwards poet writes inverse.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 21:35 GMT
#462
My read on Koshi is not light or meme. I was saying those things Koshi wrote doesn't make MZ or Cake mafia, especially MZ. I am not bailing on my scumread on deconduo.
This to me is quintessential mafia not knowing how to interject opinions into the game because they have too much information and thinking that day 1 activity can get them thru to day 2.

Sounds exactly like mafia!rayn anyone?
table for two on a tv tray
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
August 30 2022 21:36 GMT
#463
On August 31 2022 06:28 Mattchew wrote:
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On August 31 2022 06:21 Holyflare wrote:
I just get the feeling that MZ has called Cop mafia and now everything Cop does is conf biased as them being mafia. I'm pretty sure when he pointed out the "here are the fluff posts I was talking about" he included things after the post where he mentioned it.

I also still get the feeling it's a deep bus lol because his read on dec (while not really making much sense and actually is just a huge hedge) is a lot more nuanced and fluent comparatively.

this is kinda what i meant when i said mz has nailed down his read on cc. im having a hard time distinguishing how it would be a mafia tell to have this kind of bias though because all of the updated reads feel real (like someone in the dark scum hunting) even if they are potentially confirmation bias'd


I don't think he seems like he's in the dark is what I'm saying. It's gone from Cop is mafia for fluff posting and transitioned to now every single post Cop has posted has mafia agenda, there's nothing that makes him think otherwise or gives a second thought, that's why it seems just like a bus.

Compare this to his Dec read, someone I think is town, and his thoughts become transparently weaker in comparison. Suddenly, not every post from Dec is mafia agenda, there's some that he points to that make him think otherwise. The thing is, I don't find what he says influences his thought process about Dec believable. It would be one thing if I just simply disagreed with the alignment he attributed to Dec and the reasons he gave made sense but... he just leaves it as an open ended hedge, says he has unanswered points about Dec and kinda doesn't even resolve to conclude anything about him. I also don't see where Dec has the dichotomy of thought MZ is saying he does. Dec doesn't say that people shading MZ are weird and also that MZ looks a bit scummy, I can see that as a misreading of Dec's post but there's only so many "misreadings" that I can take before it's just someone trying to nitpick things as mafia and IMO I think he may have crossed that boundary.

Open to MZ being town for sure, it'd be pretty dope, but it'd take some convincing and maybe proper conversation about his Dec read to get there.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 21:37 GMT
#464
Why do you think deconduo is town HF?
table for two on a tv tray
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 30 2022 21:50 GMT
#465
On August 31 2022 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My read on Koshi is not light or meme. I was saying those things Koshi wrote doesn't make MZ or Cake mafia, especially MZ. I am not bailing on my scumread on deconduo.
Show nested quote +
This to me is quintessential mafia not knowing how to interject opinions into the game because they have too much information and thinking that day 1 activity can get them thru to day 2.

Sounds exactly like mafia!rayn anyone?

what if you're washed!mafia!rayn

can't dismiss the possibility
A backwards poet writes inverse.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 22:01 GMT
#466
So deconduo's 1st page of filter is sarcasm or talking about those posts he made sarcastically. As i already said i find it very counter productive to scumhunting since at least me and Jock wasted some time trying to clarify something that was apparently basically jokes. In addition to that, if you look at the last three games in the database of his, as town he actually tries to scumhunt (useful), as mafia he pretty much posted nothing but setup discussion (useless) on D1.

Now deconduo claims you should not "trust" this "meta" because the games are so old. I don't care if they are old or yesterday. Noone i know from mafia has EVER played "more townie" game as town before than after. You tend to learn, you don't tend to degrade, yet apparently it seems to be the fact here in case deconduo was town. I don't think he is defending himself against the accusation in the right manner, but instead using "but it's so long ago" as an excuse for his non-scumhunting behaviour.

Come page 2 he has three reads. HF and Rels on scummy side, because "they posted then didn't post". First of all i don't think this is a good metric considering that aside from me HF is the most active player ever on this forum as mafia. Basically this just feels like he's trying to draw attention to people who are "lurking". Yet later on he says that people don't even need to be doing shit at the moment because there is still so much left in the dayphase. So are people mafia for not doing stuff or is it okay to not do stuff? You can't have it both ways.

On August 30 2022 21:58 deconduo wrote:
Jock is probably town. Active, asking good questions, not pocketing

This is the only close thing to a real read. There is "not pocketing" though??? Pocketing who? Like i don't even know what this means and it seems made up. It is completely irrational imo.

Then he does claim this:
On August 31 2022 04:43 deconduo wrote:
Overall almost everyone seems pretty townie so far. I've got Rayn and MZ in my 'interesting' group - but that could just be cos they've both had a go at me. Not convinced they've done anything actually scummy but it can be hard to distance myself from a bit of tunneling and look at the situation critically. I'll do review of them tomorrow i think.

Looking forward to what Matt has to say

I have everyone as town (except for Rels for not posting), and rayn + MZ in "interesting" whatever that means. Everyone else is townie. Also rayn + MZ could be town because i might be a bit tunneled.

So, what gives? If you compare this narrative of deconduo's "what is townie" (and also what he has done in the past as townie -- like how he acts as town), into how he acts this game, it doesn't even make any sense from town perspective.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 22:02 GMT
#467
Also whoever thinks Vivax is town is probably mafia and Vivax is most likely mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 22:04 GMT
#468
And i don't even know what Rels is but he can die because the only reason i am playing this game is because he asked me to and i said yes while working basically 2,5 jobs and then he is not even playing.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 22:11 GMT
#469
On August 31 2022 05:19 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2022 05:08 Mattchew wrote:
Ok lets get started.

Theres been a lot of conversation about individual player habits and previous games, honestly i havent played in forever and dont remember the games i did play, i will also not be going back thru previous games/players history to expand on these reads. I will obviously be reading and judging posts with these reads but thru a lens of just this game

Having read up to page 22, there was only 1 player that super stuck out as someone I was suspicious of based on just this game and that player is raynpelikoneet. every single one of his posts is either talking about setup/mechanics/game theory or a hard neutral reads, all of this reads to me as if he is trying to look like he is free posting and active town while not actually saying anything.

On August 30 2022 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi top town. I sm not sure if stuff on Cake and MZ makrs them mafia but nevertheless its legit stuff and townie thought process. Esp on MZ he uses very weird narratives in his scumhunting on what he thinks makes people mafia. Pretty sure he got lynched for it as town last game i played with him.

Deconduo probs mafia. Apparently all he has said has been sarcasm and prolonging the discussion about that when people dont understand its sarcasm. Very counter productive. Hopefully he does some scumhunting if he happens to be town. Last night o read some of hisrecent games and town filter is scumhunting and scum filter is setup shit talking, so here pretty much the same.

Jock probs town too, maybe dandel too. Doesnt look like he hassny scum driven agenda. Tjose are my reads i have until p15.


Like this is his most active post in the game so far and the only thing hes said since actual reads discussion has started (notice his activity has dropped significantly with real game conversation taking place). It consists of what I consider a pretty light/meme read on koshi, a "im not sure" on cake/mz, and insanely light scum read on decon that screams "i can bail on this read if needed" and 2 more random "probs town".

This to me is quintessential mafia not knowing how to interject opinions into the game because they have too much information and thinking that day 1 activity can get them thru to day 2.

________________________________________________________________________________________________


The MZ push on CC is also something that has caught my eye. + Show Spoiler +
On August 31 2022 02:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok starting where I left off.

Firstly, copcake fluff
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 30 2022 03:31 CopCake wrote:
Hi Rels, long time no see :D

On August 30 2022 03:47 CopCake wrote:
Hi Jock, long time no see.
On August 30 2022 03:49 CopCake wrote:
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On August 30 2022 03:48 deconduo wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:41 Rels wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'll get back to you Rels when i get home in an hour.
Happy youre playing and not afking though ^^

haha yeah I'm hyped to be playing after years of abstinence :p


Same. Last game I played was Crossfire Mafia back in 2015


Oh shit
On August 30 2022 05:19 CopCake wrote:
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On August 30 2022 05:13 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 30 2022 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 30 2022 05:04 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 30 2022 05:02 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 05:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 30 2022 04:58 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 04:57 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 30 2022 04:53 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 04:51 Dandel Ion wrote:
I lack both money and a mouth

Neo?
Is that you?

are we ever truly anybody?

Yes you are Alice in a poorly constructed metaphor about a rabbit hole.

Staying on topic though, you may have no mouth and no money but you certainly have a vote.
If you're going to try and lynch me as you said you were you should use it.

no I shouldn't voting is counterproductive to obtaining a lynch

In what way?

It scares the sheep
"On no I can't believe he's mafia he has more votes than players in the game"
(1)plus the later you vote the more townie you are and (2)I only care about how townie I look

when ever have you cared about this?

always
I was just very good at hiding my feelings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd9OhYroLN0

Sorry, the comment sounded very edgy. Couldn't resist.
On August 30 2022 05:56 CopCake wrote:
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On August 30 2022 05:53 deconduo wrote:
Sorry forgot about the post where I confirmed I was town, updated list:

100% confirmed town:
Holyflare
deconduo

Leaning Town:
Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)


Undecided:
Alakaslam
CopCake
Tubesock
Meapak_Ziphh
raynpelikoneet
Rels
Mattchew

Leaning Mafia:
Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi)
Koshi

Chezinu:
Chezinu


If Alakaslam doesn't post "Hijole" in his first post you can call him mafia.
On August 30 2022 19:44 CopCake wrote:
Btw, in my last mafia game I was magnificent.

On August 30 2022 20:17 CopCake wrote:
[image loading]





I also hate the constant question asking, Koshi already covered why it's scummy and I agree with him:
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On August 30 2022 18:30 Koshi wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:20 CopCake wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:14 deconduo wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:
I'm town


Awesome we have one confirmed town. Anyone else?


Are you saying you are not town?


On August 30 2022 03:24 CopCake wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb


Are you talking of a past game or?


On August 30 2022 05:17 CopCake wrote:
On August 30 2022 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:47 Rels wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:41 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:36 Rels wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:28 Rels wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[quote]
lol?

did you skip HF post on purpose?

Which post and whatsm i supposed to do eith it?

Was wondering why you didn't address this post:
On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb


What?

But responded to the very next one:
On August 30 2022 03:14 deconduo wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:
I'm town


Awesome we have one confirmed town. Anyone else?

But then you posted your clarification at the same time I posted my question


Am I wrong or was his clarification to do with a totally different post, not the 'lol?' or hf's post?
Confused.

He didn't reply to HF post directly but addressed the question (at least a little bit, we'll apparently get the full context of the Vivax trap later)

So yeah, "this game i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb" is a reference to the last game where i was mafia with vivax and he rb'd trfel who we knew was jailer, just to realize after night phase that even though trfel got roleblocked he could still jail me (apparently "before getting roleblocked" roflmao) and our night kill didn't go through. It actually sparked a stupidly idiotic post game discussion where some people actually considered that is not bs hosting.

Anyways it was originally a prod towards Vivax since not once or twice have i figured out his alignment based on some random looking comment which he should be actually responding to (at least jokingly if not otherwise), and here also feeling the same way in case he is also town. He's known to pay way less attention to the game as mafia than as town, especially early on in the game. But yeah i typoed and it is what it is now, useless.

I don't really think i should have any response about HF's posts because my post is not directed to him (same as Jock a bit later). I don't remember if i actually talked about the incident later with HF in discord but anyways he's gonna claim he doesn't remember it or doesn't genuinely remember it (in case we did talk about it) and there is no way to confirm that so there really is nothing for me to respond.
_____

I liked Jock's eagerness in the beginning, although now i don't really know what he's trying to do especially with deconduo, after deconduo's first couple of posts i don't think there is anything could be alignment indicative, yet for some reason Jock's pushing that forward, it seems quite useless to me. I was about to say i think he's town earlier, but i will take that back.

deconduo's a bit... idk. I don't think his response to HF's "im town" is alignment indicative necessarily, just very... stupid? However i really don't get this:
On August 30 2022 03:30 deconduo wrote:
Nah I haven't claimed town yet, still deciding.

What incentive would you EVER have to NOT claim town as town in your mind deconduo?


Do you happen to know who were in that game?
Maybe I was in there and I totally forgot x_x
I only remember you were very frustrated

Asking random questions is classic struggling mafia behavior searching a way to engage the thread. The first 2 are fine and could be seen as playful, but the last quote holds an entire conversation and I feel copcake her post is disconnected from the chain. It breaks the pressure, doesn't add value, feels off. This post pinged me initially.

Next let's go through the progression of reads on the infamous "decon joke list"

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On August 30 2022 16:01 CopCake wrote:
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
On August 30 2022 05:51 deconduo wrote:
100% confirmed town
Holyflare

Leaning Town:
Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)


Undecided:
deconduo
Alakaslam
CopCake
Tubesock
Meapak_Ziphh
raynpelikoneet
Rels
Mattchew

Leaning Mafia:
Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi)
Koshi

Chezinu:
Chezinu

Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.


You know his list is just a joke, right?

And have I been only “fluffy” in the thread? Have I not questioned anything in it? If you are so sure please tell me about it.

Arriving and typing “I don’t like this” is not of great help if you can’t justify it.

Ok it starts with a question to me about the list being a joke, whether it's a joke or not doesn't change the fact that I don't like the post, although apparently I'm mister no fun and lots of humor has gone over my head this game.

Show nested quote +
On August 30 2022 21:26 CopCake wrote:
On August 30 2022 20:49 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 20:43 CopCake wrote:
On August 30 2022 20:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 20:31 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 30 2022 17:10 deconduo wrote:
Morning all. I heard you like lists. I like lists. I'm gonna make another list.

People who are fun:
Jock
Dandel
Slam
Koshi
Vivax
CopCake
Tube

Neutral:
Rels
Matt

People who are not fun:
Rayn

People who are attempting to suck every molecule of fun from the game:
MZ

Chezinu:
Chezinu

this list is unironically revolting
koshi in the fun category smh

your last list was better, you fell off


It made me feel good, which gave me bad vibes instantly.
Man this game is so anti-human sometimes.


I think is the opposite, I tend to put so much "feel" I tend to feel exhausted at the end. Specially the times when I roll scum several times consecutive.


Its definitely exhausting. I get what you mean, I think we're saying similar things. I get exhausted constantly having to second guess myself remembering not to like people who are being likeable. That's what i mean by anti-human.
Do you have any reads yet?


I honestly feel like people hasn't posted enough, the only thing that gave me a bad sensation was Vivax, he feels like another person and not himself.

I liked how deconduo reacted with the whole claiming town situation.

You seem too happy/freely while not pocketing so I think you are town.

I disliked how Ziphh took Deconduo list seriously. Still waiting for his answers.

I want more HF but overall Rels tho.

And the game sometimes can be too overwhelming as town, specially in the last couple of days and there is a misslynch or you lose situation (even tho it is also fun in a strange way) or as mafia when I have to give a performance and fake my emotions/reactions to events. And as you might have noticed I "tone read" most of the time.

Then I just close the tab and watch tv or do something else.

Ok so now we're waiting on my response because copcake disliked that I took it seriously.

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On August 30 2022 23:42 CopCake wrote:
On August 30 2022 23:31 Holyflare wrote:
On August 30 2022 23:30 CopCake wrote:
Let me get this right, HF.

There is a world in which me and Ziphh could be mafia together just because he threw my name out of nowhere?

Ooppss, I am super mafia for asking another thing.


Absolutely


With this caveat:

On August 30 2022 23:07 Holyflare wrote:
To clarify, I don't think Cop is scummy independently currently, I just have tinfoil purely based on MZ speculation.



I honestly think that is like, bad reasoning.

Specially because he also mentioned jock first. Not just me and Deconduo list.

Even tho I agree that he taking deconduo's list seriously is bad, I kinda feel it is too bad to be mafia. I don't think mafia would try to put themselves in the spotlight early and be more wary of what they are posting.


So it's "seriously bad" but it might just be "too bad?"

It really feels like copcake is taking cues from the thread sentiment to come up with a scumread here (which they aren't even committed too since they give themselves an out of "too bad to be scum" in case the thread moves away from my lynch or I flip town." Seriously, either call me scum or don't. It looks like cope is trying to position themselves in the middle so that they can continue to flow with thread sentiment.

copecake doesn't even get credit for calling me out for my take on decon (which I still think isn't bad):
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On August 30 2022 10:53 Tubesock wrote:
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
On August 30 2022 05:51 deconduo wrote:
100% confirmed town
Holyflare

Leaning Town:
Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)


Undecided:
deconduo
Alakaslam
CopCake
Tubesock
Meapak_Ziphh
raynpelikoneet
Rels
Mattchew

Leaning Mafia:
Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi)
Koshi

Chezinu:
Chezinu

Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.


But that's the best list post of the ENTIRE game!

Why don't you see that as a mostly joke post with 1 (technically 2) useful read? He looks pretty playful to me.

Show nested quote +
On August 30 2022 16:01 CopCake wrote:
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
On August 30 2022 05:51 deconduo wrote:
100% confirmed town
Holyflare

Leaning Town:
Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)


Undecided:
deconduo
Alakaslam
CopCake
Tubesock
Meapak_Ziphh
raynpelikoneet
Rels
Mattchew

Leaning Mafia:
Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi)
Koshi

Chezinu:
Chezinu

Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.


You know his list is just a joke, right?

And have I been only “fluffy” in the thread? Have I not questioned anything in it? If you are so sure please tell me about it.

Arriving and typing “I don’t like this” is not of great help if you can’t justify it.


Tube beats her to the punch here.

The final issue I have with copecake is the general tone and defensive/apologetic posts:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 30 2022 21:28 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2022 21:27 Jockmcplop wrote:
Let me ax you somefink.

If MZ isn't being FUN, does that affect how you see his alignment, if so, how?


Don't ask too many questions or you are going to be mafia!

On August 30 2022 23:30 CopCake wrote:
Let me get this right, HF.

There is a world in which me and Ziphh could be mafia together just because he threw my name out of nowhere?

Ooppss, I am super mafia for asking another thing.

On August 31 2022 00:07 CopCake wrote:
But you made yourself clear, you don't need to explain further, I understand were you are coming from even if it is "bad" in my point of view.

I probably wrote that wrong.


These are just so... bleh. Townies don't need to defend their behavior, townies don't need to act apologetic. It feels like someone who got caught in a scumtell and is now not sure how to play it off.

I know I said that was the final issue but one more thing bothers me with copecake and that's the complete lack of reads despite all the questions. If you're going to be active and questioning, as a townie you should probably start to have some solid reads. And I don't really count townreading someone because that's super easy for scum to do. I think(?) I'm their only scumread but even that is so wishy washy it's hard to tell.

Anyway I'll go take another look at decon and then try to figure out wtf my read of jock is but for now my vote will be on copecake.


I can't find anything wrong with this post, he is correct about the tone of posts and similarly to my rayn read finds a lot of fluff that anyone can post for activity that doesnt actually help town progress forward towards a mafia lynch. MZ seems to be playing the game very seriously which I can appreciate and at this point is trying to nail down his CC read and is pushing incredibly hard for it which screams MZ is town to me.

TLDR: MZ is top town read, Rayn and CC top mafia and Chez rulez



I don't disagree with what you wrote.
BUT
What if rayn is actually just really busy and therefore only gave lazy reads?
Your case depends a lot on, rayn pretends to be busy and is skating by to survive day 1?

Come on dude what are you doing?
This guy genuinely claims that i have been discussing setup which only means he doesn't have a cle what he's talking about and you don't disagree??
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 22:13 GMT
#470
every single one of his posts is either talking about setup/mechanics/game theory or a hard neutral reads

Show me a single post where i ever do this in this game please.
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
August 30 2022 22:15 GMT
#471
On August 31 2022 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2022 05:19 Koshi wrote:
On August 31 2022 05:08 Mattchew wrote:
Ok lets get started.

Theres been a lot of conversation about individual player habits and previous games, honestly i havent played in forever and dont remember the games i did play, i will also not be going back thru previous games/players history to expand on these reads. I will obviously be reading and judging posts with these reads but thru a lens of just this game

Having read up to page 22, there was only 1 player that super stuck out as someone I was suspicious of based on just this game and that player is raynpelikoneet. every single one of his posts is either talking about setup/mechanics/game theory or a hard neutral reads, all of this reads to me as if he is trying to look like he is free posting and active town while not actually saying anything.

On August 30 2022 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi top town. I sm not sure if stuff on Cake and MZ makrs them mafia but nevertheless its legit stuff and townie thought process. Esp on MZ he uses very weird narratives in his scumhunting on what he thinks makes people mafia. Pretty sure he got lynched for it as town last game i played with him.

Deconduo probs mafia. Apparently all he has said has been sarcasm and prolonging the discussion about that when people dont understand its sarcasm. Very counter productive. Hopefully he does some scumhunting if he happens to be town. Last night o read some of hisrecent games and town filter is scumhunting and scum filter is setup shit talking, so here pretty much the same.

Jock probs town too, maybe dandel too. Doesnt look like he hassny scum driven agenda. Tjose are my reads i have until p15.


Like this is his most active post in the game so far and the only thing hes said since actual reads discussion has started (notice his activity has dropped significantly with real game conversation taking place). It consists of what I consider a pretty light/meme read on koshi, a "im not sure" on cake/mz, and insanely light scum read on decon that screams "i can bail on this read if needed" and 2 more random "probs town".

This to me is quintessential mafia not knowing how to interject opinions into the game because they have too much information and thinking that day 1 activity can get them thru to day 2.

________________________________________________________________________________________________


The MZ push on CC is also something that has caught my eye. + Show Spoiler +
On August 31 2022 02:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok starting where I left off.

Firstly, copcake fluff
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 30 2022 03:31 CopCake wrote:
Hi Rels, long time no see :D

On August 30 2022 03:47 CopCake wrote:
Hi Jock, long time no see.
On August 30 2022 03:49 CopCake wrote:
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On August 30 2022 03:48 deconduo wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:41 Rels wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'll get back to you Rels when i get home in an hour.
Happy youre playing and not afking though ^^

haha yeah I'm hyped to be playing after years of abstinence :p


Same. Last game I played was Crossfire Mafia back in 2015


Oh shit
On August 30 2022 05:19 CopCake wrote:
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On August 30 2022 05:13 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 30 2022 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 30 2022 05:04 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 30 2022 05:02 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 05:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 30 2022 04:58 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 04:57 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 30 2022 04:53 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 04:51 Dandel Ion wrote:
I lack both money and a mouth

Neo?
Is that you?

are we ever truly anybody?

Yes you are Alice in a poorly constructed metaphor about a rabbit hole.

Staying on topic though, you may have no mouth and no money but you certainly have a vote.
If you're going to try and lynch me as you said you were you should use it.

no I shouldn't voting is counterproductive to obtaining a lynch

In what way?

It scares the sheep
"On no I can't believe he's mafia he has more votes than players in the game"
(1)plus the later you vote the more townie you are and (2)I only care about how townie I look

when ever have you cared about this?

always
I was just very good at hiding my feelings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd9OhYroLN0

Sorry, the comment sounded very edgy. Couldn't resist.
On August 30 2022 05:56 CopCake wrote:
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On August 30 2022 05:53 deconduo wrote:
Sorry forgot about the post where I confirmed I was town, updated list:

100% confirmed town:
Holyflare
deconduo

Leaning Town:
Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)


Undecided:
Alakaslam
CopCake
Tubesock
Meapak_Ziphh
raynpelikoneet
Rels
Mattchew

Leaning Mafia:
Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi)
Koshi

Chezinu:
Chezinu


If Alakaslam doesn't post "Hijole" in his first post you can call him mafia.
On August 30 2022 19:44 CopCake wrote:
Btw, in my last mafia game I was magnificent.

On August 30 2022 20:17 CopCake wrote:
[image loading]





I also hate the constant question asking, Koshi already covered why it's scummy and I agree with him:
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On August 30 2022 18:30 Koshi wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:20 CopCake wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:14 deconduo wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:
I'm town


Awesome we have one confirmed town. Anyone else?


Are you saying you are not town?


On August 30 2022 03:24 CopCake wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb


Are you talking of a past game or?


On August 30 2022 05:17 CopCake wrote:
On August 30 2022 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:47 Rels wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:41 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:36 Rels wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:28 Rels wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[quote]
lol?

did you skip HF post on purpose?

Which post and whatsm i supposed to do eith it?

Was wondering why you didn't address this post:
On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb


What?

But responded to the very next one:
On August 30 2022 03:14 deconduo wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:
I'm town


Awesome we have one confirmed town. Anyone else?

But then you posted your clarification at the same time I posted my question


Am I wrong or was his clarification to do with a totally different post, not the 'lol?' or hf's post?
Confused.

He didn't reply to HF post directly but addressed the question (at least a little bit, we'll apparently get the full context of the Vivax trap later)

So yeah, "this game i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb" is a reference to the last game where i was mafia with vivax and he rb'd trfel who we knew was jailer, just to realize after night phase that even though trfel got roleblocked he could still jail me (apparently "before getting roleblocked" roflmao) and our night kill didn't go through. It actually sparked a stupidly idiotic post game discussion where some people actually considered that is not bs hosting.

Anyways it was originally a prod towards Vivax since not once or twice have i figured out his alignment based on some random looking comment which he should be actually responding to (at least jokingly if not otherwise), and here also feeling the same way in case he is also town. He's known to pay way less attention to the game as mafia than as town, especially early on in the game. But yeah i typoed and it is what it is now, useless.

I don't really think i should have any response about HF's posts because my post is not directed to him (same as Jock a bit later). I don't remember if i actually talked about the incident later with HF in discord but anyways he's gonna claim he doesn't remember it or doesn't genuinely remember it (in case we did talk about it) and there is no way to confirm that so there really is nothing for me to respond.
_____

I liked Jock's eagerness in the beginning, although now i don't really know what he's trying to do especially with deconduo, after deconduo's first couple of posts i don't think there is anything could be alignment indicative, yet for some reason Jock's pushing that forward, it seems quite useless to me. I was about to say i think he's town earlier, but i will take that back.

deconduo's a bit... idk. I don't think his response to HF's "im town" is alignment indicative necessarily, just very... stupid? However i really don't get this:
On August 30 2022 03:30 deconduo wrote:
Nah I haven't claimed town yet, still deciding.

What incentive would you EVER have to NOT claim town as town in your mind deconduo?


Do you happen to know who were in that game?
Maybe I was in there and I totally forgot x_x
I only remember you were very frustrated

Asking random questions is classic struggling mafia behavior searching a way to engage the thread. The first 2 are fine and could be seen as playful, but the last quote holds an entire conversation and I feel copcake her post is disconnected from the chain. It breaks the pressure, doesn't add value, feels off. This post pinged me initially.

Next let's go through the progression of reads on the infamous "decon joke list"

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On August 30 2022 16:01 CopCake wrote:
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
On August 30 2022 05:51 deconduo wrote:
100% confirmed town
Holyflare

Leaning Town:
Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)


Undecided:
deconduo
Alakaslam
CopCake
Tubesock
Meapak_Ziphh
raynpelikoneet
Rels
Mattchew

Leaning Mafia:
Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi)
Koshi

Chezinu:
Chezinu

Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.


You know his list is just a joke, right?

And have I been only “fluffy” in the thread? Have I not questioned anything in it? If you are so sure please tell me about it.

Arriving and typing “I don’t like this” is not of great help if you can’t justify it.

Ok it starts with a question to me about the list being a joke, whether it's a joke or not doesn't change the fact that I don't like the post, although apparently I'm mister no fun and lots of humor has gone over my head this game.

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On August 30 2022 21:26 CopCake wrote:
On August 30 2022 20:49 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 20:43 CopCake wrote:
On August 30 2022 20:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 20:31 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 30 2022 17:10 deconduo wrote:
Morning all. I heard you like lists. I like lists. I'm gonna make another list.

People who are fun:
Jock
Dandel
Slam
Koshi
Vivax
CopCake
Tube

Neutral:
Rels
Matt

People who are not fun:
Rayn

People who are attempting to suck every molecule of fun from the game:
MZ

Chezinu:
Chezinu

this list is unironically revolting
koshi in the fun category smh

your last list was better, you fell off


It made me feel good, which gave me bad vibes instantly.
Man this game is so anti-human sometimes.


I think is the opposite, I tend to put so much "feel" I tend to feel exhausted at the end. Specially the times when I roll scum several times consecutive.


Its definitely exhausting. I get what you mean, I think we're saying similar things. I get exhausted constantly having to second guess myself remembering not to like people who are being likeable. That's what i mean by anti-human.
Do you have any reads yet?


I honestly feel like people hasn't posted enough, the only thing that gave me a bad sensation was Vivax, he feels like another person and not himself.

I liked how deconduo reacted with the whole claiming town situation.

You seem too happy/freely while not pocketing so I think you are town.

I disliked how Ziphh took Deconduo list seriously. Still waiting for his answers.

I want more HF but overall Rels tho.

And the game sometimes can be too overwhelming as town, specially in the last couple of days and there is a misslynch or you lose situation (even tho it is also fun in a strange way) or as mafia when I have to give a performance and fake my emotions/reactions to events. And as you might have noticed I "tone read" most of the time.

Then I just close the tab and watch tv or do something else.

Ok so now we're waiting on my response because copcake disliked that I took it seriously.

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On August 30 2022 23:42 CopCake wrote:
On August 30 2022 23:31 Holyflare wrote:
On August 30 2022 23:30 CopCake wrote:
Let me get this right, HF.

There is a world in which me and Ziphh could be mafia together just because he threw my name out of nowhere?

Ooppss, I am super mafia for asking another thing.


Absolutely


With this caveat:

On August 30 2022 23:07 Holyflare wrote:
To clarify, I don't think Cop is scummy independently currently, I just have tinfoil purely based on MZ speculation.



I honestly think that is like, bad reasoning.

Specially because he also mentioned jock first. Not just me and Deconduo list.

Even tho I agree that he taking deconduo's list seriously is bad, I kinda feel it is too bad to be mafia. I don't think mafia would try to put themselves in the spotlight early and be more wary of what they are posting.


So it's "seriously bad" but it might just be "too bad?"

It really feels like copcake is taking cues from the thread sentiment to come up with a scumread here (which they aren't even committed too since they give themselves an out of "too bad to be scum" in case the thread moves away from my lynch or I flip town." Seriously, either call me scum or don't. It looks like cope is trying to position themselves in the middle so that they can continue to flow with thread sentiment.

copecake doesn't even get credit for calling me out for my take on decon (which I still think isn't bad):
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On August 30 2022 10:53 Tubesock wrote:
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
On August 30 2022 05:51 deconduo wrote:
100% confirmed town
Holyflare

Leaning Town:
Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)


Undecided:
deconduo
Alakaslam
CopCake
Tubesock
Meapak_Ziphh
raynpelikoneet
Rels
Mattchew

Leaning Mafia:
Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi)
Koshi

Chezinu:
Chezinu

Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.


But that's the best list post of the ENTIRE game!

Why don't you see that as a mostly joke post with 1 (technically 2) useful read? He looks pretty playful to me.

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On August 30 2022 16:01 CopCake wrote:
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
On August 30 2022 05:51 deconduo wrote:
100% confirmed town
Holyflare

Leaning Town:
Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)


Undecided:
deconduo
Alakaslam
CopCake
Tubesock
Meapak_Ziphh
raynpelikoneet
Rels
Mattchew

Leaning Mafia:
Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi)
Koshi

Chezinu:
Chezinu

Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.


You know his list is just a joke, right?

And have I been only “fluffy” in the thread? Have I not questioned anything in it? If you are so sure please tell me about it.

Arriving and typing “I don’t like this” is not of great help if you can’t justify it.


Tube beats her to the punch here.

The final issue I have with copecake is the general tone and defensive/apologetic posts:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 30 2022 21:28 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2022 21:27 Jockmcplop wrote:
Let me ax you somefink.

If MZ isn't being FUN, does that affect how you see his alignment, if so, how?


Don't ask too many questions or you are going to be mafia!

On August 30 2022 23:30 CopCake wrote:
Let me get this right, HF.

There is a world in which me and Ziphh could be mafia together just because he threw my name out of nowhere?

Ooppss, I am super mafia for asking another thing.

On August 31 2022 00:07 CopCake wrote:
But you made yourself clear, you don't need to explain further, I understand were you are coming from even if it is "bad" in my point of view.

I probably wrote that wrong.


These are just so... bleh. Townies don't need to defend their behavior, townies don't need to act apologetic. It feels like someone who got caught in a scumtell and is now not sure how to play it off.

I know I said that was the final issue but one more thing bothers me with copecake and that's the complete lack of reads despite all the questions. If you're going to be active and questioning, as a townie you should probably start to have some solid reads. And I don't really count townreading someone because that's super easy for scum to do. I think(?) I'm their only scumread but even that is so wishy washy it's hard to tell.

Anyway I'll go take another look at decon and then try to figure out wtf my read of jock is but for now my vote will be on copecake.


I can't find anything wrong with this post, he is correct about the tone of posts and similarly to my rayn read finds a lot of fluff that anyone can post for activity that doesnt actually help town progress forward towards a mafia lynch. MZ seems to be playing the game very seriously which I can appreciate and at this point is trying to nail down his CC read and is pushing incredibly hard for it which screams MZ is town to me.

TLDR: MZ is top town read, Rayn and CC top mafia and Chez rulez



I don't disagree with what you wrote.
BUT
What if rayn is actually just really busy and therefore only gave lazy reads?
Your case depends a lot on, rayn pretends to be busy and is skating by to survive day 1?

Come on dude what are you doing?
This guy genuinely claims that i have been discussing setup which only means he doesn't have a cle what he's talking about and you don't disagree??

/shrug
It's his exaggerated opinion.
I am fine with it.
You made a many words posts about RBs from another game.
He took it the wrong way.
It's fine.

I am not going to be policing the thread.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
August 30 2022 22:16 GMT
#472
Why are you working 2.5 jobs? That's hard.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 22:16 GMT
#473
every single one of his posts is either talking about setup/mechanics/game theory or a hard neutral reads

I don't know what game theory means, maybe Mattchew can shed some light on it?
I had to say i disagree with Koshi's conclusion's since i do, i don't have time to argue with stupid people about YOU TOWNREAD THIS GUY BUT THEN YOU ALSO TOWNREAD HIS SCUMREADS!!! Which was going to happen anyways in case i didn't do that and apparently the people who are supposed to cut that kinda shit of are not gonna do it.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 22:17 GMT
#474
On August 31 2022 07:16 Koshi wrote:
Why are you working 2.5 jobs? That's hard.

yes. i need money to buy us a house and other things.
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
August 30 2022 22:20 GMT
#475
On August 31 2022 07:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2022 07:16 Koshi wrote:
Why are you working 2.5 jobs? That's hard.

yes. i need money to buy us a house and other things.

Good on you, working for a bright future is better than working for a bad past.
I hope you get a nice house with a nice sauna.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 22:20 GMT
#476
Koshi do you think Vivax is town?
So you think deconduo is town?

If so, why? Vivax hasn't said anything worth anything whole game. Basically he has made posts but the only game contributing post is his vote on MZ. He has been talking about outside game stuff. If Vivax is mafia Vivax talks either nothing or he talks about some stupid shit like stock markets.

Here Vivax talks like he is talking about stock market.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 22:21 GMT
#477
EBWOP: So = Do (on deconduo last post of mine)
table for two on a tv tray
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
August 30 2022 22:25 GMT
#478
On August 31 2022 07:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i don't even know what Rels is but he can die because the only reason i am playing this game is because he asked me to and i said yes while working basically 2,5 jobs and then he is not even playing.


This is actually the best reason to vote someone in the game so far.

[b]##Vote: Rels[b]
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
August 30 2022 22:26 GMT
#479
On August 31 2022 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So deconduo's 1st page of filter is sarcasm or talking about those posts he made sarcastically. As i already said i find it very counter productive to scumhunting since at least me and Jock wasted some time trying to clarify something that was apparently basically jokes. In addition to that, if you look at the last three games in the database of his, as town he actually tries to scumhunt (useful), as mafia he pretty much posted nothing but setup discussion (useless) on D1.

If deco was really engaged and good in his previous 3 towngames, I am ok with voting him off based on his performance this game. Because this game the reads are pretty shallow and quick drawn.
Mafia that can't fake real reads and just quickly calls people town/mafia based on little or thread sentiment.
I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
August 30 2022 22:28 GMT
#480
Oh, I was assuming he was fairly new?
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