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On January 12 2021 02:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2021 02:08 ghostofconversion wrote:
theres a vote thread for u next time mr shockeyy
let me know if u need further directions I voted... It just didn't count. You must be illiterate.
tomato tomato potato potato
if someone told u "pick A or B or D or E, but u cannot choose C only for this question" and u ran around 6 times around a tennis court with your pants on your head and doing barrel rolls screaming "I CHOSE C FOR THIS SPECIFIC QUESTION AND I WAS NOT ALLOWED TO CHOOSE C"
did u really make a choice?
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On January 12 2021 02:23 ghostofconversion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2021 02:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 12 2021 02:08 ghostofconversion wrote:
theres a vote thread for u next time mr shockeyy
let me know if u need further directions I voted... It just didn't count. You must be illiterate. tomato tomato potato potato if someone told u "pick A or B or D or E, but u cannot choose C only for this question" and u ran around 6 times around a tennis court with your pants on your head and doing barrel rolls screaming "I CHOSE C FOR THIS SPECIFIC QUESTION AND I WAS NOT ALLOWED TO CHOOSE C" did u really make a choice?
Yes I did, I picked C.
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i will be back later
in the mean time, im taking bids on this masterpiece
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On January 11 2021 23:30 yamato77 wrote:The Case for TickTockTickTock's opening posts were as the game began and thus not that meaningful. However: Show nested quote +On January 08 2021 16:48 Tictock wrote:
I'm not sure where I am at with this game, my role is weird and my reads are weak.
I thin Yam is probably town for being to the point.
Vivax might have been role fishing with his opener.
I want to see where Dandel's stuff goes.
Oh and townfeels for Sho.
and bedtime for myself His first reads post is pretty safe. Not obviously damning but it sets a precedent. Next: Show nested quote +On January 10 2021 08:42 Tictock wrote:
Ok, finally got done with back to back shifts. Sadly this game did not start when I had ample free time.
Dandle is 3rd party. His ability seems a little OP, but it seems like he just has a wincon to get happa lynched which would convenienly remove his slot by both lynch and wincon. So fairly anti-town if that's correct. My assumption right now is that if we done lynch Hapa things will return to normal, hopefully with night phase. In other words, not something I want to focus on for the day.
Vivax poses a bit of a conundrum though claiming he rolled me and was/is 3rd party. I would normally say there is no way we have 2 3P teams or w/e, but this is heavily theamed so maybe. His play does remind me of the game where he and Rayn were mafia though.
Conversion has made multiple "nuke" posts with wonky reasoning as to why he targets whoever he is. It's possible he is just RPing, but I kinda suspect he is just using that as a cover to not really enguage.
So if I had to pick right now I would lynch between Vivax/Conversion.
However I have only read through of 31 (or most of it) and will make an effort to finish reading tonight. I'm super tired though so I may pass out early to make sure I am up for EoD. This begins TT's obsession with Dandel. He never shuts up about his role. Even right now he is making a post talking about how Dandel's role allowed mafia to reign free D1. He certainly would know, wouldn't he? He also spends a lot of words on Vivax, who is actually claimed 3P. Why the focus on these claims he doesn't think make people mafia? Easy to look like you're scumhunting as scum. After D1 begins, this is how he proceeds to "interact" with the thread: Show nested quote +On January 10 2021 11:02 Tictock wrote:On January 09 2021 10:13 Alakaslam wrote:On January 09 2021 10:11 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2021 10:06 Alakaslam wrote:On January 09 2021 09:20 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2021 09:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Why are people so convinced dandel is scum?
I guess that's mostly slam but I don't get it. It definitely is all Slam and he hasn't given any reason afaik The reason is the whole shenanigan with replacing the host looks to me like a scum power The OP clearly says that roles have no correlation to alignment Still. What this is causing just looks like scum. You have to correlate roles to alignment! Are you gonna make scum a parity cop? I guess you could... Are you gonna make a townie godfather? Every townie that isn’t also a miller is a godfather! What makes you think this game has roles like that? Show nested quote +On January 10 2021 11:06 Tictock wrote:On January 09 2021 21:42 Holyflare wrote:On January 09 2021 19:29 justanothertownie wrote:
I think it is pretty clear that we cannot lynch Dandel today as per hapas post. I also don't think we should lynch Hapa as that is clearly dandels win condition regardless of his alignment and I don't see why we should hand that to him and waste a lynch. We should just treat this as a normal day as far as I am concerned. People that don't want to kill hapa rolled scum in Dandel's regime. Vote hapa and Jat is free win. Oh interesting, so you want Dandel's plan to succeed. Show nested quote +On January 10 2021 11:29 Tictock wrote:On January 10 2021 00:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Because it's better to have my vote on that than nothing at the start of the day.
I honestly wouldn't have even minded rerolling scum but Dandel gave me you Why is putting your vote somewhere at the start important? Show nested quote +On January 10 2021 13:19 Tictock wrote:On January 10 2021 01:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Haha what the hell there are 3 people voting Dandel right now?
I mean I guess I'll join in to survive but so long as people understand it's a no lynch Did I miss something? Are you being attacked? Blink twice if you need help. Like I said before, his interactions are extremely shallow. He's not pursuing reads, he's posting to post and appear as if he's trying to figure things out. Show nested quote +On January 10 2021 20:02 Tictock wrote:
Well I responded to the HF stuff already I thought.
I don't trust HF to be honest. I have the sense he is playing his own game, and I question why he is wanting to lynch Hapa and push Dandel's agenda. He has made some good points, but that means little for his alignment.
I am more interested in lynching Conversion though. Mostly I just don't see him doing anything, but calling people mafia with weird or no reason and being upset. Like the majority of his posts feel like RP or are fairly meaningless (like the read based on hollow knight).
The RP is hurting the game, I am having a hard time telling who is just posting and who is RPing. Like Sho is throwing me through a loop with his posts kus I think he is RPing but he is already a low volume poster that this makes it impossible to get anything from most of his posts.
A bunch of people I feel I have no read on due to RP stuff.
I still think Yam is town, Jat is cutting through bullshit so feels town. Neither is really saying a lot though, and that makes it hard to know what the thinking behind some of their reads are (though atm it's possible I skimmed it missed stuff). A lot of these reads aren't particularly difficult to make nor are they particularly committal. In particular his "scumread" of Conversion is something that I think flies under the radar here. Conversion is the best lynch because he is calling people mafia and RPing, even though RPing makes Shockey impossible to read for TT? What kind of logic is that? I think so little focus has been on TT that this simply slipped through the cracks. Show nested quote +On January 10 2021 20:23 Tictock wrote:
Oh almost forgot.
##Vote: Holyflare
Just covering my bases. How is this ever his vote in this spot? Show nested quote +On January 10 2021 20:32 Tictock wrote:
You think Conversion knew his nuke was gunna be fake?
Fair enough I suppose re Wave, a touch OMGUS though, and not something that convinces me since I am not very confident about either of being town.
There may be hints at the bad reason, my slightly better reason is that his wagon feels too easy. If somehow JAT/HF are right about Wave's alignment mattering a lot this post in particular feels important and is something I ACTUALLY think could be alignment indicative. Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 04:57 Tictock wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear
I can consolidate on a null read.
Did people figure out Dandel is only showing in thread votes and it's not the real vote count? That was why my HF vote was not my focus kus it wasn't real This is his last post of the day. Real uninspiring sheep onto GB as I've pointed out before. Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 14:36 Tictock wrote:On January 11 2021 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
SO y'all can take this with a few caveats. Some of this is not very strong reasoning, some of it I want to be true more than actually is. I will fully admit here to not being good at town. I'm good at looking very townie when I want to---this particular game I didn't feel like it for reasons stated earlier. What I'm not great at is scumhunting so again, y'all can take with a grain of salt.
Me Obi and unnamed thir dperson (for now) talking bak and forth a little. I warned them in advance I was going to scumclaim for the reasons I stated here---that I was increasingly disbelieving this was real especially due to my vanilla status. My scummates did not claim their roles or abilities to very much degree as I did.
At one point Obi (and I'll paraphrase here) said something along the lines of 'I hope this isn't real because if we're scum this game is going to suck,' which he admitted after he had edited. the word 'we're' used to be 'wave is.'
Basically he singled me out for some reason as it sucking going forward if I were really scum (n0) even though I scumclaimed, then fixing it because he realized it would suck equally as we're all in the same boat---but that edit reeks of some other information or way of thinking. The fact that he doesn't automatically think we're all in the same boat as being town n0 then 'turning into scum' with Dandel's D1 addition feels like s lip.
I will fully admit a great deal of the time scumslipping really isn't, but I'd look more at that weird mentality difference than what he said specifically.
There's other stuff. The softball questions that amount to nothing throughout the early game, refusing to take a stance or commit to much of anything.,
I will also admit part of me wants to be right because of something regarding Among Us---which HF can maybe vouch for if he was around? I think Conversion can. Yams can. It's very meta and I don't want to out my reasoning on this last one entirely because it ruins a read i have on him in that game so you can probably gnore this part lol Just to add my interpretation, though Waves description of what happened is accurate. I read Obis statement more like he thought Wave sucked as mafia and didn't want to play as scum with him, or that he was convinced Wave was going to be lynched so if our "team" turned real we would be a man down. He said as much in another post than what Wave was discussing here. From the rest of his messages though I see Obi wasn't sure if Dandel's stuff was or was not going to be perminant so that may have been part of it. Idk, I'm going to make a separate post of my thoughts about Dandel essentialy makng the three of us masons for a day. One more interesting thing though from that QT though, I dropped the idea that I had a way to save Wave from the lynch. Dandel's role for me did say it had something like that, not that I was ever going to use it, but wanted to see what Wave would say. He told me I shouldn't do it. Take that as you will. Wave, if this is your reason for thinking TT is town I am real disappoint. Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 15:29 Tictock wrote:
To that end, I haven't fully decided what I think of Dandel's role and how he used it.
On the one hand he removed himself from the game and caused a fair bit of confusion. Both of which are fairly anti-town... Actually if he is town is it that bad to remove self as a target for a day? As a scum ability it actually would be pretty OP to force a mislynch.
The other hand is that it was ultimately all fluff and the game is now back to as normal as this game will be. So in that sense his ability was a ton of flavor but pretty weak.
The flavor was too notch though, besides the continued joke relating my name to TikToc. I was clearly here first and no silly video app should define me. I have also been using Tictock as a username since like 2010 so :p TT spends a LOT of posts N1 discussing Dandel's role. Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 15:36 Tictock wrote:On January 11 2021 04:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote Dandel Ion On January 11 2021 04:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 11 2021 04:42 justanothertownie wrote:On January 11 2021 04:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 11 2021 04:38 justanothertownie wrote:On January 11 2021 04:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote Dandel Ion You are aware that the daypost states that we cannot lynch Dandel, yes? Yes, but why does he count others and not mine? Who cares? Why do you not want to lynch anyone? I care? And only other person I’m lynching today is conversion. I’ve already stated it like three-four times, are you reading? Uhh... I am pretty sure I was the only person to vote for conversion yesterday, this is laughable hypocritical-ness right here or just straight mafia. Probably mafia. Aside from what reads like a weak distancing attempt after everyone has already caught his scumbuddy. He also spends quite a bit of time attempting to "help" Eversince catch up and nothing much comes of that conversation. I think most of this is fairly strong evidence that TT is mafia. Also, in the previous game I played where TT was mafia, his posting felt initially very similar to how it does here, very safe and bland with little in the way of substantive reads. I certainly understand not having a lot of time to play and all but I am unconvinced that a town agenda exists within this filter, while I can certainly imagine a mafia TickTock making all of these posts.
Ok, I finally got around to reading this.
The case didn't really do it for me either. The best point I would say is still the thing where TT goes and says conversion is the best lynch and inexplicably votes HF instead while I am questioning him. But overall my feeling when reading this was "meh". Doesn't really make me drag him to the gallows right now.
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On January 12 2021 02:38 Dandel Ion wrote:![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/jVwZPI8.jpg)
LMFAO
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In all honesty, I was going to change my vote to HF but did not get back in time to do so.
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and how was a vote on HF going to be helpful?
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On January 12 2021 02:32 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 23:30 yamato77 wrote:The Case for TickTockTickTock's opening posts were as the game began and thus not that meaningful. However: On January 08 2021 16:48 Tictock wrote:
I'm not sure where I am at with this game, my role is weird and my reads are weak.
I thin Yam is probably town for being to the point.
Vivax might have been role fishing with his opener.
I want to see where Dandel's stuff goes.
Oh and townfeels for Sho.
and bedtime for myself His first reads post is pretty safe. Not obviously damning but it sets a precedent. Next: On January 10 2021 08:42 Tictock wrote:
Ok, finally got done with back to back shifts. Sadly this game did not start when I had ample free time.
Dandle is 3rd party. His ability seems a little OP, but it seems like he just has a wincon to get happa lynched which would convenienly remove his slot by both lynch and wincon. So fairly anti-town if that's correct. My assumption right now is that if we done lynch Hapa things will return to normal, hopefully with night phase. In other words, not something I want to focus on for the day.
Vivax poses a bit of a conundrum though claiming he rolled me and was/is 3rd party. I would normally say there is no way we have 2 3P teams or w/e, but this is heavily theamed so maybe. His play does remind me of the game where he and Rayn were mafia though.
Conversion has made multiple "nuke" posts with wonky reasoning as to why he targets whoever he is. It's possible he is just RPing, but I kinda suspect he is just using that as a cover to not really enguage.
So if I had to pick right now I would lynch between Vivax/Conversion.
However I have only read through of 31 (or most of it) and will make an effort to finish reading tonight. I'm super tired though so I may pass out early to make sure I am up for EoD. This begins TT's obsession with Dandel. He never shuts up about his role. Even right now he is making a post talking about how Dandel's role allowed mafia to reign free D1. He certainly would know, wouldn't he? He also spends a lot of words on Vivax, who is actually claimed 3P. Why the focus on these claims he doesn't think make people mafia? Easy to look like you're scumhunting as scum. After D1 begins, this is how he proceeds to "interact" with the thread: On January 10 2021 11:02 Tictock wrote:On January 09 2021 10:13 Alakaslam wrote:On January 09 2021 10:11 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2021 10:06 Alakaslam wrote:On January 09 2021 09:20 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2021 09:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Why are people so convinced dandel is scum?
I guess that's mostly slam but I don't get it. It definitely is all Slam and he hasn't given any reason afaik The reason is the whole shenanigan with replacing the host looks to me like a scum power The OP clearly says that roles have no correlation to alignment Still. What this is causing just looks like scum. You have to correlate roles to alignment! Are you gonna make scum a parity cop? I guess you could... Are you gonna make a townie godfather? Every townie that isn’t also a miller is a godfather! What makes you think this game has roles like that? On January 10 2021 11:06 Tictock wrote:On January 09 2021 21:42 Holyflare wrote:On January 09 2021 19:29 justanothertownie wrote:
I think it is pretty clear that we cannot lynch Dandel today as per hapas post. I also don't think we should lynch Hapa as that is clearly dandels win condition regardless of his alignment and I don't see why we should hand that to him and waste a lynch. We should just treat this as a normal day as far as I am concerned. People that don't want to kill hapa rolled scum in Dandel's regime. Vote hapa and Jat is free win. Oh interesting, so you want Dandel's plan to succeed. On January 10 2021 11:29 Tictock wrote:On January 10 2021 00:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Because it's better to have my vote on that than nothing at the start of the day.
I honestly wouldn't have even minded rerolling scum but Dandel gave me you Why is putting your vote somewhere at the start important? On January 10 2021 13:19 Tictock wrote:On January 10 2021 01:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Haha what the hell there are 3 people voting Dandel right now?
I mean I guess I'll join in to survive but so long as people understand it's a no lynch Did I miss something? Are you being attacked? Blink twice if you need help. Like I said before, his interactions are extremely shallow. He's not pursuing reads, he's posting to post and appear as if he's trying to figure things out. On January 10 2021 20:02 Tictock wrote:
Well I responded to the HF stuff already I thought.
I don't trust HF to be honest. I have the sense he is playing his own game, and I question why he is wanting to lynch Hapa and push Dandel's agenda. He has made some good points, but that means little for his alignment.
I am more interested in lynching Conversion though. Mostly I just don't see him doing anything, but calling people mafia with weird or no reason and being upset. Like the majority of his posts feel like RP or are fairly meaningless (like the read based on hollow knight).
The RP is hurting the game, I am having a hard time telling who is just posting and who is RPing. Like Sho is throwing me through a loop with his posts kus I think he is RPing but he is already a low volume poster that this makes it impossible to get anything from most of his posts.
A bunch of people I feel I have no read on due to RP stuff.
I still think Yam is town, Jat is cutting through bullshit so feels town. Neither is really saying a lot though, and that makes it hard to know what the thinking behind some of their reads are (though atm it's possible I skimmed it missed stuff). A lot of these reads aren't particularly difficult to make nor are they particularly committal. In particular his "scumread" of Conversion is something that I think flies under the radar here. Conversion is the best lynch because he is calling people mafia and RPing, even though RPing makes Shockey impossible to read for TT? What kind of logic is that? I think so little focus has been on TT that this simply slipped through the cracks. On January 10 2021 20:23 Tictock wrote:
Oh almost forgot.
##Vote: Holyflare
Just covering my bases. How is this ever his vote in this spot? On January 10 2021 20:32 Tictock wrote:
You think Conversion knew his nuke was gunna be fake?
Fair enough I suppose re Wave, a touch OMGUS though, and not something that convinces me since I am not very confident about either of being town.
There may be hints at the bad reason, my slightly better reason is that his wagon feels too easy. If somehow JAT/HF are right about Wave's alignment mattering a lot this post in particular feels important and is something I ACTUALLY think could be alignment indicative. On January 11 2021 04:57 Tictock wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear
I can consolidate on a null read.
Did people figure out Dandel is only showing in thread votes and it's not the real vote count? That was why my HF vote was not my focus kus it wasn't real This is his last post of the day. Real uninspiring sheep onto GB as I've pointed out before. On January 11 2021 14:36 Tictock wrote:On January 11 2021 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
SO y'all can take this with a few caveats. Some of this is not very strong reasoning, some of it I want to be true more than actually is. I will fully admit here to not being good at town. I'm good at looking very townie when I want to---this particular game I didn't feel like it for reasons stated earlier. What I'm not great at is scumhunting so again, y'all can take with a grain of salt.
Me Obi and unnamed thir dperson (for now) talking bak and forth a little. I warned them in advance I was going to scumclaim for the reasons I stated here---that I was increasingly disbelieving this was real especially due to my vanilla status. My scummates did not claim their roles or abilities to very much degree as I did.
At one point Obi (and I'll paraphrase here) said something along the lines of 'I hope this isn't real because if we're scum this game is going to suck,' which he admitted after he had edited. the word 'we're' used to be 'wave is.'
Basically he singled me out for some reason as it sucking going forward if I were really scum (n0) even though I scumclaimed, then fixing it because he realized it would suck equally as we're all in the same boat---but that edit reeks of some other information or way of thinking. The fact that he doesn't automatically think we're all in the same boat as being town n0 then 'turning into scum' with Dandel's D1 addition feels like s lip.
I will fully admit a great deal of the time scumslipping really isn't, but I'd look more at that weird mentality difference than what he said specifically.
There's other stuff. The softball questions that amount to nothing throughout the early game, refusing to take a stance or commit to much of anything.,
I will also admit part of me wants to be right because of something regarding Among Us---which HF can maybe vouch for if he was around? I think Conversion can. Yams can. It's very meta and I don't want to out my reasoning on this last one entirely because it ruins a read i have on him in that game so you can probably gnore this part lol Just to add my interpretation, though Waves description of what happened is accurate. I read Obis statement more like he thought Wave sucked as mafia and didn't want to play as scum with him, or that he was convinced Wave was going to be lynched so if our "team" turned real we would be a man down. He said as much in another post than what Wave was discussing here. From the rest of his messages though I see Obi wasn't sure if Dandel's stuff was or was not going to be perminant so that may have been part of it. Idk, I'm going to make a separate post of my thoughts about Dandel essentialy makng the three of us masons for a day. One more interesting thing though from that QT though, I dropped the idea that I had a way to save Wave from the lynch. Dandel's role for me did say it had something like that, not that I was ever going to use it, but wanted to see what Wave would say. He told me I shouldn't do it. Take that as you will. Wave, if this is your reason for thinking TT is town I am real disappoint. On January 11 2021 15:29 Tictock wrote:
To that end, I haven't fully decided what I think of Dandel's role and how he used it.
On the one hand he removed himself from the game and caused a fair bit of confusion. Both of which are fairly anti-town... Actually if he is town is it that bad to remove self as a target for a day? As a scum ability it actually would be pretty OP to force a mislynch.
The other hand is that it was ultimately all fluff and the game is now back to as normal as this game will be. So in that sense his ability was a ton of flavor but pretty weak.
The flavor was too notch though, besides the continued joke relating my name to TikToc. I was clearly here first and no silly video app should define me. I have also been using Tictock as a username since like 2010 so :p TT spends a LOT of posts N1 discussing Dandel's role. On January 11 2021 15:36 Tictock wrote:On January 11 2021 04:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote Dandel Ion On January 11 2021 04:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 11 2021 04:42 justanothertownie wrote:On January 11 2021 04:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 11 2021 04:38 justanothertownie wrote:On January 11 2021 04:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote Dandel Ion You are aware that the daypost states that we cannot lynch Dandel, yes? Yes, but why does he count others and not mine? Who cares? Why do you not want to lynch anyone? I care? And only other person I’m lynching today is conversion. I’ve already stated it like three-four times, are you reading? Uhh... I am pretty sure I was the only person to vote for conversion yesterday, this is laughable hypocritical-ness right here or just straight mafia. Probably mafia. Aside from what reads like a weak distancing attempt after everyone has already caught his scumbuddy. He also spends quite a bit of time attempting to "help" Eversince catch up and nothing much comes of that conversation. I think most of this is fairly strong evidence that TT is mafia. Also, in the previous game I played where TT was mafia, his posting felt initially very similar to how it does here, very safe and bland with little in the way of substantive reads. I certainly understand not having a lot of time to play and all but I am unconvinced that a town agenda exists within this filter, while I can certainly imagine a mafia TickTock making all of these posts. Ok, I finally got around to reading this. The case didn't really do it for me either. The best point I would say is still the thing where TT goes and says conversion is the best lynch and inexplicably votes HF instead while I am questioning him. But overall my feeling when reading this was "meh". Doesn't really make me drag him to the gallows right now.
I've never felt that throwing your vote around weirdly is particularly scum indicative. I'd rather be hyper justified with every vote I make as scum than draw attention to any patterns
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On January 12 2021 03:02 Dandel Ion wrote:
and how was a vote on HF going to be helpful?
How was voting GB out helpful?
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I also know this is what GB would want me to do. Train HF now.
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On January 12 2021 03:03 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2021 03:02 Dandel Ion wrote:
and how was a vote on HF going to be helpful? How was voting GB out helpful?
voting GB got him lynched so all people on him did something productive.
how would a HF vote have been productive?
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On January 12 2021 03:03 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2021 02:32 justanothertownie wrote:On January 11 2021 23:30 yamato77 wrote:The Case for TickTockTickTock's opening posts were as the game began and thus not that meaningful. However: On January 08 2021 16:48 Tictock wrote:
I'm not sure where I am at with this game, my role is weird and my reads are weak.
I thin Yam is probably town for being to the point.
Vivax might have been role fishing with his opener.
I want to see where Dandel's stuff goes.
Oh and townfeels for Sho.
and bedtime for myself His first reads post is pretty safe. Not obviously damning but it sets a precedent. Next: On January 10 2021 08:42 Tictock wrote:
Ok, finally got done with back to back shifts. Sadly this game did not start when I had ample free time.
Dandle is 3rd party. His ability seems a little OP, but it seems like he just has a wincon to get happa lynched which would convenienly remove his slot by both lynch and wincon. So fairly anti-town if that's correct. My assumption right now is that if we done lynch Hapa things will return to normal, hopefully with night phase. In other words, not something I want to focus on for the day.
Vivax poses a bit of a conundrum though claiming he rolled me and was/is 3rd party. I would normally say there is no way we have 2 3P teams or w/e, but this is heavily theamed so maybe. His play does remind me of the game where he and Rayn were mafia though.
Conversion has made multiple "nuke" posts with wonky reasoning as to why he targets whoever he is. It's possible he is just RPing, but I kinda suspect he is just using that as a cover to not really enguage.
So if I had to pick right now I would lynch between Vivax/Conversion.
However I have only read through of 31 (or most of it) and will make an effort to finish reading tonight. I'm super tired though so I may pass out early to make sure I am up for EoD. This begins TT's obsession with Dandel. He never shuts up about his role. Even right now he is making a post talking about how Dandel's role allowed mafia to reign free D1. He certainly would know, wouldn't he? He also spends a lot of words on Vivax, who is actually claimed 3P. Why the focus on these claims he doesn't think make people mafia? Easy to look like you're scumhunting as scum. After D1 begins, this is how he proceeds to "interact" with the thread: On January 10 2021 11:02 Tictock wrote:On January 09 2021 10:13 Alakaslam wrote:On January 09 2021 10:11 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2021 10:06 Alakaslam wrote:On January 09 2021 09:20 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2021 09:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Why are people so convinced dandel is scum?
I guess that's mostly slam but I don't get it. It definitely is all Slam and he hasn't given any reason afaik The reason is the whole shenanigan with replacing the host looks to me like a scum power The OP clearly says that roles have no correlation to alignment Still. What this is causing just looks like scum. You have to correlate roles to alignment! Are you gonna make scum a parity cop? I guess you could... Are you gonna make a townie godfather? Every townie that isn’t also a miller is a godfather! What makes you think this game has roles like that? On January 10 2021 11:06 Tictock wrote:On January 09 2021 21:42 Holyflare wrote:On January 09 2021 19:29 justanothertownie wrote:
I think it is pretty clear that we cannot lynch Dandel today as per hapas post. I also don't think we should lynch Hapa as that is clearly dandels win condition regardless of his alignment and I don't see why we should hand that to him and waste a lynch. We should just treat this as a normal day as far as I am concerned. People that don't want to kill hapa rolled scum in Dandel's regime. Vote hapa and Jat is free win. Oh interesting, so you want Dandel's plan to succeed. On January 10 2021 11:29 Tictock wrote:On January 10 2021 00:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Because it's better to have my vote on that than nothing at the start of the day.
I honestly wouldn't have even minded rerolling scum but Dandel gave me you Why is putting your vote somewhere at the start important? On January 10 2021 13:19 Tictock wrote:On January 10 2021 01:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Haha what the hell there are 3 people voting Dandel right now?
I mean I guess I'll join in to survive but so long as people understand it's a no lynch Did I miss something? Are you being attacked? Blink twice if you need help. Like I said before, his interactions are extremely shallow. He's not pursuing reads, he's posting to post and appear as if he's trying to figure things out. On January 10 2021 20:02 Tictock wrote:
Well I responded to the HF stuff already I thought.
I don't trust HF to be honest. I have the sense he is playing his own game, and I question why he is wanting to lynch Hapa and push Dandel's agenda. He has made some good points, but that means little for his alignment.
I am more interested in lynching Conversion though. Mostly I just don't see him doing anything, but calling people mafia with weird or no reason and being upset. Like the majority of his posts feel like RP or are fairly meaningless (like the read based on hollow knight).
The RP is hurting the game, I am having a hard time telling who is just posting and who is RPing. Like Sho is throwing me through a loop with his posts kus I think he is RPing but he is already a low volume poster that this makes it impossible to get anything from most of his posts.
A bunch of people I feel I have no read on due to RP stuff.
I still think Yam is town, Jat is cutting through bullshit so feels town. Neither is really saying a lot though, and that makes it hard to know what the thinking behind some of their reads are (though atm it's possible I skimmed it missed stuff). A lot of these reads aren't particularly difficult to make nor are they particularly committal. In particular his "scumread" of Conversion is something that I think flies under the radar here. Conversion is the best lynch because he is calling people mafia and RPing, even though RPing makes Shockey impossible to read for TT? What kind of logic is that? I think so little focus has been on TT that this simply slipped through the cracks. On January 10 2021 20:23 Tictock wrote:
Oh almost forgot.
##Vote: Holyflare
Just covering my bases. How is this ever his vote in this spot? On January 10 2021 20:32 Tictock wrote:
You think Conversion knew his nuke was gunna be fake?
Fair enough I suppose re Wave, a touch OMGUS though, and not something that convinces me since I am not very confident about either of being town.
There may be hints at the bad reason, my slightly better reason is that his wagon feels too easy. If somehow JAT/HF are right about Wave's alignment mattering a lot this post in particular feels important and is something I ACTUALLY think could be alignment indicative. On January 11 2021 04:57 Tictock wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear
I can consolidate on a null read.
Did people figure out Dandel is only showing in thread votes and it's not the real vote count? That was why my HF vote was not my focus kus it wasn't real This is his last post of the day. Real uninspiring sheep onto GB as I've pointed out before. On January 11 2021 14:36 Tictock wrote:On January 11 2021 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
SO y'all can take this with a few caveats. Some of this is not very strong reasoning, some of it I want to be true more than actually is. I will fully admit here to not being good at town. I'm good at looking very townie when I want to---this particular game I didn't feel like it for reasons stated earlier. What I'm not great at is scumhunting so again, y'all can take with a grain of salt.
Me Obi and unnamed thir dperson (for now) talking bak and forth a little. I warned them in advance I was going to scumclaim for the reasons I stated here---that I was increasingly disbelieving this was real especially due to my vanilla status. My scummates did not claim their roles or abilities to very much degree as I did.
At one point Obi (and I'll paraphrase here) said something along the lines of 'I hope this isn't real because if we're scum this game is going to suck,' which he admitted after he had edited. the word 'we're' used to be 'wave is.'
Basically he singled me out for some reason as it sucking going forward if I were really scum (n0) even though I scumclaimed, then fixing it because he realized it would suck equally as we're all in the same boat---but that edit reeks of some other information or way of thinking. The fact that he doesn't automatically think we're all in the same boat as being town n0 then 'turning into scum' with Dandel's D1 addition feels like s lip.
I will fully admit a great deal of the time scumslipping really isn't, but I'd look more at that weird mentality difference than what he said specifically.
There's other stuff. The softball questions that amount to nothing throughout the early game, refusing to take a stance or commit to much of anything.,
I will also admit part of me wants to be right because of something regarding Among Us---which HF can maybe vouch for if he was around? I think Conversion can. Yams can. It's very meta and I don't want to out my reasoning on this last one entirely because it ruins a read i have on him in that game so you can probably gnore this part lol Just to add my interpretation, though Waves description of what happened is accurate. I read Obis statement more like he thought Wave sucked as mafia and didn't want to play as scum with him, or that he was convinced Wave was going to be lynched so if our "team" turned real we would be a man down. He said as much in another post than what Wave was discussing here. From the rest of his messages though I see Obi wasn't sure if Dandel's stuff was or was not going to be perminant so that may have been part of it. Idk, I'm going to make a separate post of my thoughts about Dandel essentialy makng the three of us masons for a day. One more interesting thing though from that QT though, I dropped the idea that I had a way to save Wave from the lynch. Dandel's role for me did say it had something like that, not that I was ever going to use it, but wanted to see what Wave would say. He told me I shouldn't do it. Take that as you will. Wave, if this is your reason for thinking TT is town I am real disappoint. On January 11 2021 15:29 Tictock wrote:
To that end, I haven't fully decided what I think of Dandel's role and how he used it.
On the one hand he removed himself from the game and caused a fair bit of confusion. Both of which are fairly anti-town... Actually if he is town is it that bad to remove self as a target for a day? As a scum ability it actually would be pretty OP to force a mislynch.
The other hand is that it was ultimately all fluff and the game is now back to as normal as this game will be. So in that sense his ability was a ton of flavor but pretty weak.
The flavor was too notch though, besides the continued joke relating my name to TikToc. I was clearly here first and no silly video app should define me. I have also been using Tictock as a username since like 2010 so :p TT spends a LOT of posts N1 discussing Dandel's role. On January 11 2021 15:36 Tictock wrote:On January 11 2021 04:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote Dandel Ion On January 11 2021 04:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 11 2021 04:42 justanothertownie wrote:On January 11 2021 04:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 11 2021 04:38 justanothertownie wrote:On January 11 2021 04:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote Dandel Ion You are aware that the daypost states that we cannot lynch Dandel, yes? Yes, but why does he count others and not mine? Who cares? Why do you not want to lynch anyone? I care? And only other person I’m lynching today is conversion. I’ve already stated it like three-four times, are you reading? Uhh... I am pretty sure I was the only person to vote for conversion yesterday, this is laughable hypocritical-ness right here or just straight mafia. Probably mafia. Aside from what reads like a weak distancing attempt after everyone has already caught his scumbuddy. He also spends quite a bit of time attempting to "help" Eversince catch up and nothing much comes of that conversation. I think most of this is fairly strong evidence that TT is mafia. Also, in the previous game I played where TT was mafia, his posting felt initially very similar to how it does here, very safe and bland with little in the way of substantive reads. I certainly understand not having a lot of time to play and all but I am unconvinced that a town agenda exists within this filter, while I can certainly imagine a mafia TickTock making all of these posts. Ok, I finally got around to reading this. The case didn't really do it for me either. The best point I would say is still the thing where TT goes and says conversion is the best lynch and inexplicably votes HF instead while I am questioning him. But overall my feeling when reading this was "meh". Doesn't really make me drag him to the gallows right now. I've never felt that throwing your vote around weirdly is particularly scum indicative. I'd rather be hyper justified with every vote I make as scum than draw attention to any patterns
Yeah, but this is also a personality thing. Are you saying ticktock is like you in this regard? I don't remember his playstyle very well.
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On January 12 2021 03:03 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2021 02:32 justanothertownie wrote:On January 11 2021 23:30 yamato77 wrote:The Case for TickTockTickTock's opening posts were as the game began and thus not that meaningful. However: On January 08 2021 16:48 Tictock wrote:
I'm not sure where I am at with this game, my role is weird and my reads are weak.
I thin Yam is probably town for being to the point.
Vivax might have been role fishing with his opener.
I want to see where Dandel's stuff goes.
Oh and townfeels for Sho.
and bedtime for myself His first reads post is pretty safe. Not obviously damning but it sets a precedent. Next: On January 10 2021 08:42 Tictock wrote:
Ok, finally got done with back to back shifts. Sadly this game did not start when I had ample free time.
Dandle is 3rd party. His ability seems a little OP, but it seems like he just has a wincon to get happa lynched which would convenienly remove his slot by both lynch and wincon. So fairly anti-town if that's correct. My assumption right now is that if we done lynch Hapa things will return to normal, hopefully with night phase. In other words, not something I want to focus on for the day.
Vivax poses a bit of a conundrum though claiming he rolled me and was/is 3rd party. I would normally say there is no way we have 2 3P teams or w/e, but this is heavily theamed so maybe. His play does remind me of the game where he and Rayn were mafia though.
Conversion has made multiple "nuke" posts with wonky reasoning as to why he targets whoever he is. It's possible he is just RPing, but I kinda suspect he is just using that as a cover to not really enguage.
So if I had to pick right now I would lynch between Vivax/Conversion.
However I have only read through of 31 (or most of it) and will make an effort to finish reading tonight. I'm super tired though so I may pass out early to make sure I am up for EoD. This begins TT's obsession with Dandel. He never shuts up about his role. Even right now he is making a post talking about how Dandel's role allowed mafia to reign free D1. He certainly would know, wouldn't he? He also spends a lot of words on Vivax, who is actually claimed 3P. Why the focus on these claims he doesn't think make people mafia? Easy to look like you're scumhunting as scum. After D1 begins, this is how he proceeds to "interact" with the thread: On January 10 2021 11:02 Tictock wrote:On January 09 2021 10:13 Alakaslam wrote:On January 09 2021 10:11 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2021 10:06 Alakaslam wrote:On January 09 2021 09:20 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2021 09:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Why are people so convinced dandel is scum?
I guess that's mostly slam but I don't get it. It definitely is all Slam and he hasn't given any reason afaik The reason is the whole shenanigan with replacing the host looks to me like a scum power The OP clearly says that roles have no correlation to alignment Still. What this is causing just looks like scum. You have to correlate roles to alignment! Are you gonna make scum a parity cop? I guess you could... Are you gonna make a townie godfather? Every townie that isn’t also a miller is a godfather! What makes you think this game has roles like that? On January 10 2021 11:06 Tictock wrote:On January 09 2021 21:42 Holyflare wrote:On January 09 2021 19:29 justanothertownie wrote:
I think it is pretty clear that we cannot lynch Dandel today as per hapas post. I also don't think we should lynch Hapa as that is clearly dandels win condition regardless of his alignment and I don't see why we should hand that to him and waste a lynch. We should just treat this as a normal day as far as I am concerned. People that don't want to kill hapa rolled scum in Dandel's regime. Vote hapa and Jat is free win. Oh interesting, so you want Dandel's plan to succeed. On January 10 2021 11:29 Tictock wrote:On January 10 2021 00:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Because it's better to have my vote on that than nothing at the start of the day.
I honestly wouldn't have even minded rerolling scum but Dandel gave me you Why is putting your vote somewhere at the start important? On January 10 2021 13:19 Tictock wrote:On January 10 2021 01:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Haha what the hell there are 3 people voting Dandel right now?
I mean I guess I'll join in to survive but so long as people understand it's a no lynch Did I miss something? Are you being attacked? Blink twice if you need help. Like I said before, his interactions are extremely shallow. He's not pursuing reads, he's posting to post and appear as if he's trying to figure things out. On January 10 2021 20:02 Tictock wrote:
Well I responded to the HF stuff already I thought.
I don't trust HF to be honest. I have the sense he is playing his own game, and I question why he is wanting to lynch Hapa and push Dandel's agenda. He has made some good points, but that means little for his alignment.
I am more interested in lynching Conversion though. Mostly I just don't see him doing anything, but calling people mafia with weird or no reason and being upset. Like the majority of his posts feel like RP or are fairly meaningless (like the read based on hollow knight).
The RP is hurting the game, I am having a hard time telling who is just posting and who is RPing. Like Sho is throwing me through a loop with his posts kus I think he is RPing but he is already a low volume poster that this makes it impossible to get anything from most of his posts.
A bunch of people I feel I have no read on due to RP stuff.
I still think Yam is town, Jat is cutting through bullshit so feels town. Neither is really saying a lot though, and that makes it hard to know what the thinking behind some of their reads are (though atm it's possible I skimmed it missed stuff). A lot of these reads aren't particularly difficult to make nor are they particularly committal. In particular his "scumread" of Conversion is something that I think flies under the radar here. Conversion is the best lynch because he is calling people mafia and RPing, even though RPing makes Shockey impossible to read for TT? What kind of logic is that? I think so little focus has been on TT that this simply slipped through the cracks. On January 10 2021 20:23 Tictock wrote:
Oh almost forgot.
##Vote: Holyflare
Just covering my bases. How is this ever his vote in this spot? On January 10 2021 20:32 Tictock wrote:
You think Conversion knew his nuke was gunna be fake?
Fair enough I suppose re Wave, a touch OMGUS though, and not something that convinces me since I am not very confident about either of being town.
There may be hints at the bad reason, my slightly better reason is that his wagon feels too easy. If somehow JAT/HF are right about Wave's alignment mattering a lot this post in particular feels important and is something I ACTUALLY think could be alignment indicative. On January 11 2021 04:57 Tictock wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear
I can consolidate on a null read.
Did people figure out Dandel is only showing in thread votes and it's not the real vote count? That was why my HF vote was not my focus kus it wasn't real This is his last post of the day. Real uninspiring sheep onto GB as I've pointed out before. On January 11 2021 14:36 Tictock wrote:On January 11 2021 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
SO y'all can take this with a few caveats. Some of this is not very strong reasoning, some of it I want to be true more than actually is. I will fully admit here to not being good at town. I'm good at looking very townie when I want to---this particular game I didn't feel like it for reasons stated earlier. What I'm not great at is scumhunting so again, y'all can take with a grain of salt.
Me Obi and unnamed thir dperson (for now) talking bak and forth a little. I warned them in advance I was going to scumclaim for the reasons I stated here---that I was increasingly disbelieving this was real especially due to my vanilla status. My scummates did not claim their roles or abilities to very much degree as I did.
At one point Obi (and I'll paraphrase here) said something along the lines of 'I hope this isn't real because if we're scum this game is going to suck,' which he admitted after he had edited. the word 'we're' used to be 'wave is.'
Basically he singled me out for some reason as it sucking going forward if I were really scum (n0) even though I scumclaimed, then fixing it because he realized it would suck equally as we're all in the same boat---but that edit reeks of some other information or way of thinking. The fact that he doesn't automatically think we're all in the same boat as being town n0 then 'turning into scum' with Dandel's D1 addition feels like s lip.
I will fully admit a great deal of the time scumslipping really isn't, but I'd look more at that weird mentality difference than what he said specifically.
There's other stuff. The softball questions that amount to nothing throughout the early game, refusing to take a stance or commit to much of anything.,
I will also admit part of me wants to be right because of something regarding Among Us---which HF can maybe vouch for if he was around? I think Conversion can. Yams can. It's very meta and I don't want to out my reasoning on this last one entirely because it ruins a read i have on him in that game so you can probably gnore this part lol Just to add my interpretation, though Waves description of what happened is accurate. I read Obis statement more like he thought Wave sucked as mafia and didn't want to play as scum with him, or that he was convinced Wave was going to be lynched so if our "team" turned real we would be a man down. He said as much in another post than what Wave was discussing here. From the rest of his messages though I see Obi wasn't sure if Dandel's stuff was or was not going to be perminant so that may have been part of it. Idk, I'm going to make a separate post of my thoughts about Dandel essentialy makng the three of us masons for a day. One more interesting thing though from that QT though, I dropped the idea that I had a way to save Wave from the lynch. Dandel's role for me did say it had something like that, not that I was ever going to use it, but wanted to see what Wave would say. He told me I shouldn't do it. Take that as you will. Wave, if this is your reason for thinking TT is town I am real disappoint. On January 11 2021 15:29 Tictock wrote:
To that end, I haven't fully decided what I think of Dandel's role and how he used it.
On the one hand he removed himself from the game and caused a fair bit of confusion. Both of which are fairly anti-town... Actually if he is town is it that bad to remove self as a target for a day? As a scum ability it actually would be pretty OP to force a mislynch.
The other hand is that it was ultimately all fluff and the game is now back to as normal as this game will be. So in that sense his ability was a ton of flavor but pretty weak.
The flavor was too notch though, besides the continued joke relating my name to TikToc. I was clearly here first and no silly video app should define me. I have also been using Tictock as a username since like 2010 so :p TT spends a LOT of posts N1 discussing Dandel's role. On January 11 2021 15:36 Tictock wrote:On January 11 2021 04:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote Dandel Ion On January 11 2021 04:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 11 2021 04:42 justanothertownie wrote:On January 11 2021 04:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 11 2021 04:38 justanothertownie wrote:On January 11 2021 04:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote Dandel Ion You are aware that the daypost states that we cannot lynch Dandel, yes? Yes, but why does he count others and not mine? Who cares? Why do you not want to lynch anyone? I care? And only other person I’m lynching today is conversion. I’ve already stated it like three-four times, are you reading? Uhh... I am pretty sure I was the only person to vote for conversion yesterday, this is laughable hypocritical-ness right here or just straight mafia. Probably mafia. Aside from what reads like a weak distancing attempt after everyone has already caught his scumbuddy. He also spends quite a bit of time attempting to "help" Eversince catch up and nothing much comes of that conversation. I think most of this is fairly strong evidence that TT is mafia. Also, in the previous game I played where TT was mafia, his posting felt initially very similar to how it does here, very safe and bland with little in the way of substantive reads. I certainly understand not having a lot of time to play and all but I am unconvinced that a town agenda exists within this filter, while I can certainly imagine a mafia TickTock making all of these posts. Ok, I finally got around to reading this. The case didn't really do it for me either. The best point I would say is still the thing where TT goes and says conversion is the best lynch and inexplicably votes HF instead while I am questioning him. But overall my feeling when reading this was "meh". Doesn't really make me drag him to the gallows right now. I've never felt that throwing your vote around weirdly is particularly scum indicative. I'd rather be hyper justified with every vote I make as scum than draw attention to any patterns
Yeah, but that is also a personality thing.
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On January 11 2021 04:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 04:34 Holyflare wrote:On January 11 2021 04:22 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Why is my vote still not being counted dandel? Im not moving my vote until it is. Or maybe lynch hapa and it lynches dandel? Any time you wanna care about the game state or who we're calling mafia just let us know. I mean I called conversion mafia a while back, before anybody did. Soo I’m way ahead of you. Are you not reading? Or chose to read only the few last pages before you actually started participating.
On January 11 2021 04:36 (24 mins before deadline?) ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote Dandel Ion
On January 12 2021 02:59 ShoCkeyy wrote:
In all honesty, I was going to change my vote to HF but did not get back in time to do so.
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If we didn't already have 2 somewhat believable 3P claims I would entertain the thought of a jester here.
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He also didn't answer my follow-up. Sad.
Anyway what I was trying to get at is that it's weird in the first place how mad he is over the whole vote thing when all along he planned to waste his vote on HF.
And as HF pointed out, his excuse doesn't even make sense.
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On January 12 2021 03:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
He also didn't answer my follow-up. Sad.
Anyway what I was trying to get at is that it's weird in the first place how mad he is over the whole vote thing when all along he planned to waste his vote on HF.
And as HF pointed out, his excuse doesn't even make sense.
....
I'm in meetings and taking care of my baby. I'll respond when I get a chance.
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On January 12 2021 03:08 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2021 03:03 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 12 2021 02:32 justanothertownie wrote:On January 11 2021 23:30 yamato77 wrote:The Case for TickTockTickTock's opening posts were as the game began and thus not that meaningful. However: On January 08 2021 16:48 Tictock wrote:
I'm not sure where I am at with this game, my role is weird and my reads are weak.
I thin Yam is probably town for being to the point.
Vivax might have been role fishing with his opener.
I want to see where Dandel's stuff goes.
Oh and townfeels for Sho.
and bedtime for myself His first reads post is pretty safe. Not obviously damning but it sets a precedent. Next: On January 10 2021 08:42 Tictock wrote:
Ok, finally got done with back to back shifts. Sadly this game did not start when I had ample free time.
Dandle is 3rd party. His ability seems a little OP, but it seems like he just has a wincon to get happa lynched which would convenienly remove his slot by both lynch and wincon. So fairly anti-town if that's correct. My assumption right now is that if we done lynch Hapa things will return to normal, hopefully with night phase. In other words, not something I want to focus on for the day.
Vivax poses a bit of a conundrum though claiming he rolled me and was/is 3rd party. I would normally say there is no way we have 2 3P teams or w/e, but this is heavily theamed so maybe. His play does remind me of the game where he and Rayn were mafia though.
Conversion has made multiple "nuke" posts with wonky reasoning as to why he targets whoever he is. It's possible he is just RPing, but I kinda suspect he is just using that as a cover to not really enguage.
So if I had to pick right now I would lynch between Vivax/Conversion.
However I have only read through of 31 (or most of it) and will make an effort to finish reading tonight. I'm super tired though so I may pass out early to make sure I am up for EoD. This begins TT's obsession with Dandel. He never shuts up about his role. Even right now he is making a post talking about how Dandel's role allowed mafia to reign free D1. He certainly would know, wouldn't he? He also spends a lot of words on Vivax, who is actually claimed 3P. Why the focus on these claims he doesn't think make people mafia? Easy to look like you're scumhunting as scum. After D1 begins, this is how he proceeds to "interact" with the thread: On January 10 2021 11:02 Tictock wrote:On January 09 2021 10:13 Alakaslam wrote:On January 09 2021 10:11 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2021 10:06 Alakaslam wrote:On January 09 2021 09:20 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2021 09:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Why are people so convinced dandel is scum?
I guess that's mostly slam but I don't get it. It definitely is all Slam and he hasn't given any reason afaik The reason is the whole shenanigan with replacing the host looks to me like a scum power The OP clearly says that roles have no correlation to alignment Still. What this is causing just looks like scum. You have to correlate roles to alignment! Are you gonna make scum a parity cop? I guess you could... Are you gonna make a townie godfather? Every townie that isn’t also a miller is a godfather! What makes you think this game has roles like that? On January 10 2021 11:06 Tictock wrote:On January 09 2021 21:42 Holyflare wrote:On January 09 2021 19:29 justanothertownie wrote:
I think it is pretty clear that we cannot lynch Dandel today as per hapas post. I also don't think we should lynch Hapa as that is clearly dandels win condition regardless of his alignment and I don't see why we should hand that to him and waste a lynch. We should just treat this as a normal day as far as I am concerned. People that don't want to kill hapa rolled scum in Dandel's regime. Vote hapa and Jat is free win. Oh interesting, so you want Dandel's plan to succeed. On January 10 2021 11:29 Tictock wrote:On January 10 2021 00:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Because it's better to have my vote on that than nothing at the start of the day.
I honestly wouldn't have even minded rerolling scum but Dandel gave me you Why is putting your vote somewhere at the start important? On January 10 2021 13:19 Tictock wrote:On January 10 2021 01:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Haha what the hell there are 3 people voting Dandel right now?
I mean I guess I'll join in to survive but so long as people understand it's a no lynch Did I miss something? Are you being attacked? Blink twice if you need help. Like I said before, his interactions are extremely shallow. He's not pursuing reads, he's posting to post and appear as if he's trying to figure things out. On January 10 2021 20:02 Tictock wrote:
Well I responded to the HF stuff already I thought.
I don't trust HF to be honest. I have the sense he is playing his own game, and I question why he is wanting to lynch Hapa and push Dandel's agenda. He has made some good points, but that means little for his alignment.
I am more interested in lynching Conversion though. Mostly I just don't see him doing anything, but calling people mafia with weird or no reason and being upset. Like the majority of his posts feel like RP or are fairly meaningless (like the read based on hollow knight).
The RP is hurting the game, I am having a hard time telling who is just posting and who is RPing. Like Sho is throwing me through a loop with his posts kus I think he is RPing but he is already a low volume poster that this makes it impossible to get anything from most of his posts.
A bunch of people I feel I have no read on due to RP stuff.
I still think Yam is town, Jat is cutting through bullshit so feels town. Neither is really saying a lot though, and that makes it hard to know what the thinking behind some of their reads are (though atm it's possible I skimmed it missed stuff). A lot of these reads aren't particularly difficult to make nor are they particularly committal. In particular his "scumread" of Conversion is something that I think flies under the radar here. Conversion is the best lynch because he is calling people mafia and RPing, even though RPing makes Shockey impossible to read for TT? What kind of logic is that? I think so little focus has been on TT that this simply slipped through the cracks. On January 10 2021 20:23 Tictock wrote:
Oh almost forgot.
##Vote: Holyflare
Just covering my bases. How is this ever his vote in this spot? On January 10 2021 20:32 Tictock wrote:
You think Conversion knew his nuke was gunna be fake?
Fair enough I suppose re Wave, a touch OMGUS though, and not something that convinces me since I am not very confident about either of being town.
There may be hints at the bad reason, my slightly better reason is that his wagon feels too easy. If somehow JAT/HF are right about Wave's alignment mattering a lot this post in particular feels important and is something I ACTUALLY think could be alignment indicative. On January 11 2021 04:57 Tictock wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear
I can consolidate on a null read.
Did people figure out Dandel is only showing in thread votes and it's not the real vote count? That was why my HF vote was not my focus kus it wasn't real This is his last post of the day. Real uninspiring sheep onto GB as I've pointed out before. On January 11 2021 14:36 Tictock wrote:On January 11 2021 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
SO y'all can take this with a few caveats. Some of this is not very strong reasoning, some of it I want to be true more than actually is. I will fully admit here to not being good at town. I'm good at looking very townie when I want to---this particular game I didn't feel like it for reasons stated earlier. What I'm not great at is scumhunting so again, y'all can take with a grain of salt.
Me Obi and unnamed thir dperson (for now) talking bak and forth a little. I warned them in advance I was going to scumclaim for the reasons I stated here---that I was increasingly disbelieving this was real especially due to my vanilla status. My scummates did not claim their roles or abilities to very much degree as I did.
At one point Obi (and I'll paraphrase here) said something along the lines of 'I hope this isn't real because if we're scum this game is going to suck,' which he admitted after he had edited. the word 'we're' used to be 'wave is.'
Basically he singled me out for some reason as it sucking going forward if I were really scum (n0) even though I scumclaimed, then fixing it because he realized it would suck equally as we're all in the same boat---but that edit reeks of some other information or way of thinking. The fact that he doesn't automatically think we're all in the same boat as being town n0 then 'turning into scum' with Dandel's D1 addition feels like s lip.
I will fully admit a great deal of the time scumslipping really isn't, but I'd look more at that weird mentality difference than what he said specifically.
There's other stuff. The softball questions that amount to nothing throughout the early game, refusing to take a stance or commit to much of anything.,
I will also admit part of me wants to be right because of something regarding Among Us---which HF can maybe vouch for if he was around? I think Conversion can. Yams can. It's very meta and I don't want to out my reasoning on this last one entirely because it ruins a read i have on him in that game so you can probably gnore this part lol Just to add my interpretation, though Waves description of what happened is accurate. I read Obis statement more like he thought Wave sucked as mafia and didn't want to play as scum with him, or that he was convinced Wave was going to be lynched so if our "team" turned real we would be a man down. He said as much in another post than what Wave was discussing here. From the rest of his messages though I see Obi wasn't sure if Dandel's stuff was or was not going to be perminant so that may have been part of it. Idk, I'm going to make a separate post of my thoughts about Dandel essentialy makng the three of us masons for a day. One more interesting thing though from that QT though, I dropped the idea that I had a way to save Wave from the lynch. Dandel's role for me did say it had something like that, not that I was ever going to use it, but wanted to see what Wave would say. He told me I shouldn't do it. Take that as you will. Wave, if this is your reason for thinking TT is town I am real disappoint. On January 11 2021 15:29 Tictock wrote:
To that end, I haven't fully decided what I think of Dandel's role and how he used it.
On the one hand he removed himself from the game and caused a fair bit of confusion. Both of which are fairly anti-town... Actually if he is town is it that bad to remove self as a target for a day? As a scum ability it actually would be pretty OP to force a mislynch.
The other hand is that it was ultimately all fluff and the game is now back to as normal as this game will be. So in that sense his ability was a ton of flavor but pretty weak.
The flavor was too notch though, besides the continued joke relating my name to TikToc. I was clearly here first and no silly video app should define me. I have also been using Tictock as a username since like 2010 so :p TT spends a LOT of posts N1 discussing Dandel's role. On January 11 2021 15:36 Tictock wrote:On January 11 2021 04:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote Dandel Ion On January 11 2021 04:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 11 2021 04:42 justanothertownie wrote:On January 11 2021 04:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 11 2021 04:38 justanothertownie wrote:On January 11 2021 04:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##vote Dandel Ion You are aware that the daypost states that we cannot lynch Dandel, yes? Yes, but why does he count others and not mine? Who cares? Why do you not want to lynch anyone? I care? And only other person I’m lynching today is conversion. I’ve already stated it like three-four times, are you reading? Uhh... I am pretty sure I was the only person to vote for conversion yesterday, this is laughable hypocritical-ness right here or just straight mafia. Probably mafia. Aside from what reads like a weak distancing attempt after everyone has already caught his scumbuddy. He also spends quite a bit of time attempting to "help" Eversince catch up and nothing much comes of that conversation. I think most of this is fairly strong evidence that TT is mafia. Also, in the previous game I played where TT was mafia, his posting felt initially very similar to how it does here, very safe and bland with little in the way of substantive reads. I certainly understand not having a lot of time to play and all but I am unconvinced that a town agenda exists within this filter, while I can certainly imagine a mafia TickTock making all of these posts. Ok, I finally got around to reading this. The case didn't really do it for me either. The best point I would say is still the thing where TT goes and says conversion is the best lynch and inexplicably votes HF instead while I am questioning him. But overall my feeling when reading this was "meh". Doesn't really make me drag him to the gallows right now. I've never felt that throwing your vote around weirdly is particularly scum indicative. I'd rather be hyper justified with every vote I make as scum than draw attention to any patterns Yeah, but this is also a personality thing. Are you saying ticktock is like you in this regard? I don't remember his playstyle very well.
I don't know and I don't think I'd presume to. Fair point though
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