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On January 11 2021 21:58 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 21:53 Holyflare wrote:On January 11 2021 21:43 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 11 2021 21:39 Holyflare wrote:On January 11 2021 21:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 11 2021 21:02 Holyflare wrote:On January 11 2021 20:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 11 2021 20:22 Holyflare wrote:
I still think there's a bigger than 50% chance wave is mafia and knew that the Dandel thing would not happen (whether because he's mafia with Dandel or assumed because Dandel is not mafia). I don't think he goes around threatening to ruin the entire game without that knowledge. There’s still a 50% chance GB can come back from the dead. You know the guy you just lynched. I was wrong. So what? What makes you not think you’re wrong on wave? Because I choose to believe that Wave is probably not a dick and wouldn't chance ruining game integrity. I already explained as well why there was basically no way that game got ruined anyway. I'm not going to defend myself again against you when you yourself randomly took everyone off my lynch to mislynch GB Also I'm not a huge fan of using potential mod info for this sort of thing but it kinda played out that way. I mean, you didn't explain that. We could have all magically started voting hapa and confirmed you mafia and you ruined a potential game for two other people. So, there's that. I don't see what me taking people off you to vote GB has anything to do with it. You're also being very granular, this is nothing to do with you. It's Shockey that's asking me a question and you should be grilling him for potentially your alignment and chainsaw defending you (as well as already doing that for GB). Why is he even aggrevated that we voted GB? Ok, I am not following entirely. Why would Wave only out this as mafia again? I mean he would be ruining the game as either alignment if Dandel kept being the host, right? That aside GB was a decent lynch with the information we had. People who claim that he wasn't are either talking out of their ass or have more information than I do.
If Wave is town, he has no idea whatsoever what is happening, he's just been potentially made mafia. Then he randomly decides to out his QT that could become true and ruin the game. Very big gamble to just assume that Dandel's thing will likely not happen, no?
If Wave is mafia and Dandel is mafia, then Wave knows that he has nothing to worry about and can freely out his QT people, himself and whatever with no consequences of being modkilled or ruining the game (kind of the scenario I'm toying with the most here)
If Wave is mafia and Dandel is town/3P then Wave takes a gamble that this power either comes into fruition in which case he's still mafia or it doesn't happen, in which case he gets credit for outing that he's "mafia". Why would wave gamble the entire game on a guess instead of waiting and seeing what happens?
The likeliest scenario is that Wave knew what happens with the power and adjusted accordingly. I don't think he's a dick and I really don't think he'd chance ruining the game on the off chance that Dandel's power didn't happen. Even if he thought we'd have to eliminate Hapa for Dandel to come into power then he's STILL ruining the game potentially if we did vote hapa.
So, it makes me think the way more likely scenario is that Dandel and Wave are either mafia together and Wave knew what was going to happen or that Wave is mafia and knew that the power wouldn't fundamentally alter the game and maybe he'd get a little credit for outing himself as "mafia".
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On January 11 2021 22:08 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 21:58 justanothertownie wrote:On January 11 2021 21:53 Holyflare wrote:On January 11 2021 21:43 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 11 2021 21:39 Holyflare wrote:On January 11 2021 21:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 11 2021 21:02 Holyflare wrote:On January 11 2021 20:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 11 2021 20:22 Holyflare wrote:
I still think there's a bigger than 50% chance wave is mafia and knew that the Dandel thing would not happen (whether because he's mafia with Dandel or assumed because Dandel is not mafia). I don't think he goes around threatening to ruin the entire game without that knowledge. There’s still a 50% chance GB can come back from the dead. You know the guy you just lynched. I was wrong. So what? What makes you not think you’re wrong on wave? Because I choose to believe that Wave is probably not a dick and wouldn't chance ruining game integrity. I already explained as well why there was basically no way that game got ruined anyway. I'm not going to defend myself again against you when you yourself randomly took everyone off my lynch to mislynch GB Also I'm not a huge fan of using potential mod info for this sort of thing but it kinda played out that way. I mean, you didn't explain that. We could have all magically started voting hapa and confirmed you mafia and you ruined a potential game for two other people. So, there's that. I don't see what me taking people off you to vote GB has anything to do with it. You're also being very granular, this is nothing to do with you. It's Shockey that's asking me a question and you should be grilling him for potentially your alignment and chainsaw defending you (as well as already doing that for GB). Why is he even aggrevated that we voted GB? Ok, I am not following entirely. Why would Wave only out this as mafia again? I mean he would be ruining the game as either alignment if Dandel kept being the host, right? That aside GB was a decent lynch with the information we had. People who claim that he wasn't are either talking out of their ass or have more information than I do. If Wave is town, he has no idea whatsoever what is happening, he's just been potentially made mafia. Then he randomly decides to out his QT that could become true and ruin the game. Very big gamble to just assume that Dandel's thing will likely not happen, no? If Wave is mafia and Dandel is mafia, then Wave knows that he has nothing to worry about and can freely out his QT people, himself and whatever with no consequences of being modkilled or ruining the game (kind of the scenario I'm toying with the most here) If Wave is mafia and Dandel is town/3P then Wave takes a gamble that this power either comes into fruition in which case he's still mafia or it doesn't happen, in which case he gets credit for outing that he's "mafia". Why would wave gamble the entire game on a guess instead of waiting and seeing what happens? The likeliest scenario is that Wave knew what happens with the power and adjusted accordingly. I don't think he's a dick and I really don't think he'd chance ruining the game on the off chance that Dandel's power didn't happen. Even if he thought we'd have to eliminate Hapa for Dandel to come into power then he's STILL ruining the game potentially if we did vote hapa. So, it makes me think the way more likely scenario is that Dandel and Wave are either mafia together and Wave knew what was going to happen or that Wave is mafia and knew that the power wouldn't fundamentally alter the game and maybe he'd get a little credit for outing himself as "mafia".
Ok, I get it now. Seems plausible but it really hinges on how much Wave believes Dandel if he is town. If I was in his shoes I think I also might have outed the new scum team to be honest.
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Yeah, but I know both of your personalities :D
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I was pretty sure from the start of the day that dandel's game was bs hf
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Why isn't town Wave smart enough to realize the same thing
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I don't really think Wave is mafia for that.
But that's because contrary to you I think he is a dick.
I don't even think it matters if he thought the game was real, he wanted it not to be and was willing to risk modkilling his entire squad for that selfish desire.
At least that was my take, didn't read d1 super closely.
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On January 11 2021 22:21 Dandel Ion wrote:
I don't really think Wave is mafia for that.
But that's because contrary to you I think he is a dick.
I don't even think it matters if he thought the game was real, he wanted it not to be and was willing to risk modkilling his entire squad for that selfish desire.
At least that was my take, didn't read d1 super closely.
That would mean Wave didn't want to be mafia, an assertion I disagree with
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On January 11 2021 22:23 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 22:21 Dandel Ion wrote:
I don't really think Wave is mafia for that.
But that's because contrary to you I think he is a dick.
I don't even think it matters if he thought the game was real, he wanted it not to be and was willing to risk modkilling his entire squad for that selfish desire.
At least that was my take, didn't read d1 super closely. That would mean Wave didn't want to be mafia, an assertion I disagree with
No I don't think alignment factors into that at all actually, I think he didn't want to be an outwarldy vanilla role (it wasn't but the non-vanilla part was hidden).
IIRC Wave doesn't really mind being scum
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That certainly is A Take but I think it's simpler. I admit Wave could still be mafia but I don't think making a case that Wave is scum with Dandel for how he claimed mafia is the reason.
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Well, let's just say if I am voting Wave at some point it won't be for this.
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On January 11 2021 22:19 yamato77 wrote:
I was pretty sure from the start of the day that dandel's game was bs hf
You have literally no way to know that. Being smart is irrelevant. From a person's perspective it could easily be if hapa won we'd be in dandel's game.
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On January 11 2021 22:29 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 22:19 yamato77 wrote:
I was pretty sure from the start of the day that dandel's game was bs hf You have literally no way to know that. Being smart is irrelevant. From a person's perspective it could easily be if hapa won we'd be in dandel's game.
you just don't understand the depths of his BRAIN
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On January 11 2021 22:29 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 22:19 yamato77 wrote:
I was pretty sure from the start of the day that dandel's game was bs hf You have literally no way to know that. Being smart is irrelevant. From a person's perspective it could easily be if hapa won we'd be in dandel's game.
I mean, it looked like exactly what I said it was all along, and lo and behold I was right. There's a world where Wave began the day thinking not lynching Hapa was super important to make him not mafia and then realized that Dandel's game was a farce and decided to claim scum in it after telling his "scum buddies". None of that means he isn't town.
It does not require one to have extra knowledge to make this play. It's not a good case.
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On January 11 2021 02:53 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 02:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I legitimately hate it when people just go and claim my stuff without my consent.
If this gamestate is real I am going to flip your omelette. Part of why I did this is because of what HF said earlier----this prevents the gamestate from being real because in effect it absolutely destroys the game. How can you ask a whole bunch of people to switch alignments midgame if you don't even know if you've truly switched?!That breaks the game completely when something like this happens, and I don't think it's on us to keep it secret when we don['t have perfect information like scum normally do. It's just not fair.
This is where I talk about it
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On January 11 2021 22:33 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 22:29 Holyflare wrote:On January 11 2021 22:19 yamato77 wrote:
I was pretty sure from the start of the day that dandel's game was bs hf You have literally no way to know that. Being smart is irrelevant. From a person's perspective it could easily be if hapa won we'd be in dandel's game. I mean, it looked like exactly what I said it was all along, and lo and behold I was right. There's a world where Wave began the day thinking not lynching Hapa was super important to make him not mafia and then realized that Dandel's game was a farce and decided to claim scum in it after telling his "scum buddies". None of that means he isn't town. It does not require one to have extra knowledge to make this play. It's not a good case.
I agree in general. But why would it be super important not to be made mafia if he likes playing mafia? Isn't that quite contradictory?
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On January 11 2021 22:23 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 22:21 Dandel Ion wrote:
I don't really think Wave is mafia for that.
But that's because contrary to you I think he is a dick.
I don't even think it matters if he thought the game was real, he wanted it not to be and was willing to risk modkilling his entire squad for that selfish desire.
At least that was my take, didn't read d1 super closely. That would mean Wave didn't want to be mafia, an assertion I disagree with
And this is true, but Dandel is right it his post following this, I was more annoyed at receiving a vanilla role
I would absolutely not have outed the team and risked a modkill though.
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I don't think we should be talking about me though
I'll look into... Who, shockey?
At work today so will be sporadic
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On January 11 2021 22:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't think we should be talking about me though
I'll look into... Who, shockey?
At work today so will be sporadic
I agree this discussion feels like we're still talking about Dandel's role and I really want that thread of discussion to die immediately.
Shockey is absolutely mafia.
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On January 11 2021 22:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't think we should be talking about me though
I'll look into... Who, shockey?
At work today so will be sporadic
We should absolutely be talking about you. If you are mafia then the lynch yesterday is a lot more important than if you are town. Your alignment is a crucial piece of the puzzle.
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On January 11 2021 22:41 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2021 22:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't think we should be talking about me though
I'll look into... Who, shockey?
At work today so will be sporadic I agree this discussion feels like we're still talking about Dandel's role and I really want that thread of discussion to die immediately. Shockey is absolutely mafia.
The best thing would be if HFs thing is real and shockey gets vigged. Otherwise he is definitely on the table for lynch.
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