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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 10 2021 10:45 GMT
#865
I also don't get why Vivax is voting himself. Granted he is being nuked so he could do anything but that is directly against his claimed wincon.
I don't think it is scummy, just weird.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 10 2021 11:10 GMT
#868
On January 10 2021 20:07 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2021 19:45 justanothertownie wrote:
I also don't get why Vivax is voting himself. Granted he is being nuked so he could do anything but that is directly against his claimed wincon.
I don't think it is scummy, just weird.


He said he was giving up on the game due to the nuke. So assume it's an acceptance vote.

Though with one nuke having been a dud...

Did his "not-sober" post tell you anything?

Nothing new. It reinforced my previous thoughts on him. Namely that he probably is what he is claiming to be.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 10 2021 11:22 GMT
#871
I would be interested in that reason right now. The conversion stuff also does not really convince me. The fakenuke on yamato was a decent choice for example.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 10 2021 11:23 GMT
#872
On January 10 2021 20:21 Tictock wrote:
Jat, I don't get the swap thing?

Can you explain it to me like I am an overgrown man-boy who's body is determined to not let sleep for more than 4 hours at a time?

He thought he was getting nuked and tried to redirect it to me. Unforgivable tbh.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 10 2021 11:26 GMT
#874
Ok, so you are more interested in lynching conversion but now you vote HF. I am not following.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 10 2021 11:37 GMT
#877
On January 10 2021 20:34 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2021 20:26 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, so you are more interested in lynching conversion but now you vote HF. I am not following.


Not hard to figure out actually, I have faith in you big boy.

Ok, let's ignore conversion. Why HF? Because he is pushing Dandels agenda? Last time I checked he voted Wave. Because you distrust him? HF should be distrusted in every game of mafia ever but that is not a very compelling reason to me.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 10 2021 11:40 GMT
#878
I also object to the claim that this Wave wagon is easy. He has literally 3 votes and several more people were in the thread refusing to vote him instead wasting their vote somewhere irrelevant.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 10 2021 12:18 GMT
#883
On January 10 2021 21:09 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2021 20:40 justanothertownie wrote:
I also object to the claim that this Wave wagon is easy. He has literally 3 votes and several more people were in the thread refusing to vote him instead wasting their vote somewhere irrelevant.


I did say, maybe, and in a bit.

As far as I recall I am the only person to actively challenge this read as well. Not sure who you are reffering to who "refused to vote him"

Conversion is the read I prefer to focus on. Do you have a read on him since you didn't like mine?

I should prob try and get a little more sleep soon though so I am fresh for EoD. I dislike how fractured voting is, but at least we are on plurality lynch.

Almost everyone was here since the "wagon" started. Nobody piled on.
Examples off the top of my head: Slam, Obi, Shockey, conversion, GB, you. Vivax if you count him.
GB made a point of not joining. You also did. Slam claimed he could not switch his vote.

Conversion could be mafia but so far he has not done anything that makes me believe he is. Like I said - I like the fake nuke on yamato. That is a very pro town move in my book.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 10 2021 13:01 GMT
#887
On January 10 2021 21:56 Tictock wrote:
@JAT

You seem to assume Conversion knew he was launching a fake Nuke at Yam, which is possible, but rereading that part of the game it seems like he was reacting more emotionally. I have a hard time going down the thought line that that was all an act to setup a believable fake Nuke.

Otherwise I see what you are getting at,

Yes, that is what I am assuming. Of course if he did not know it would fail it would be quite scummy.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 10 2021 14:29 GMT
#891
On January 10 2021 23:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok I just saw
Basically no good reasoning up until this point, then a few half assed reasons with what seems to be pre-confirmation bias after the fact now that people are questioning it.

The trolly fake swap? Really? Lol

At least Jat you have been engaging.HF and yamato who are on the wagon with you refuse to acknowledge anything I've said, though I suppose if you get the wagon you want you don't care who's on it


I freely admit that there is not a lot of reasoning (though you need to explain this weird backpaddling on dandel). Which is your chance to give me something better.

So far I am happy with my vote.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 10 2021 14:45 GMT
#896
On January 10 2021 23:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
I will gladly be the only one on this obi wagon and swing from a tree with a shit-eating grin on my face if I'm right

Holy shit

OK, cool.
Why is obi mafia?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 10 2021 15:14 GMT
#908
Well, OK. Don't explain your votes then.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 10 2021 15:43 GMT
#919
On January 11 2021 00:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2021 00:29 Holyflare wrote:
GB - refused to join wave wagon, cited bs reasons for "oh town can totally do that" without even knowing anything about what wave said

Tictock - refused to join wave wagon, cited that he felt the same as wave for wanting to see what Dandel's thing did and not really wanting to follow through with it:

On January 10 2021 19:23 Tictock wrote:
On January 10 2021 12:54 Holyflare wrote:
On January 10 2021 12:44 GlowingBear wrote:
On January 10 2021 12:40 Holyflare wrote:
What has happened in this game other than dandel? Literally nothing. Nobody pushing anything, nobody doing anything.

Wave wanted to have fun and told us all off for not voting dandel and now he won't have fun by voting hapa and seeing if something crazy will happen anymore?? Is that not suspicious to you at all? Why do you not care?


Why is that mafia motivated? I see the incongruency, but I dont see why he is mafia for that


Why is there an incongruous thought process if he's town???

Either he's town and miraculously stopped wanting to have fun for (?) reasons.

Or he's mafia and got put in a compromising position.


I enguaged Dandel's thing too and am now not wanting to pursue it to completion. So does that also make me mafia?

I don't think wanting to see what something will do but changing your mind when you get a glimpse of what it is, is alignment indicative.

I doubt any of the Dandel "mafia" would want to claim when everyone seems to be jumping on Wave for doing just that.


Seems to simultaneously think dandel's thing has to reach some kind of completion but also that people that rolled mafia in dandel's thing won't want to claim because they'll get called scummy. Either he believes Dandel's new game can happen or he doesn't, there's a missing piece of logic here where it looks like Tictock jumps through hoops to assume too many things.

Obi - possible worst offender of them all:

On January 09 2021 08:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I think conversion is me.
I also don't really think anything that's happening right now matters - I think we just sit and wait until night falls and everything will go back to the way it was.

I vote we no lynch or lynch Vivax, but I'm pretty much hands off today I think.


Wants to default to a 3P wagon or no lynch instead of actively searching to call anyone mafia, thinks that doing nothing will revert the game back to how it was. Seemingly reeks of TMI about Dandel's alignment and then even displays it:

On January 09 2021 09:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Why are people so convinced dandel is scum?
I guess that's mostly slam but I don't get it.


On January 10 2021 13:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Also Wave literally claimed scum so this argument seems kind of pointless. The real decision here lies in whether or not we think the game is going to revert back to normal by night or not. I feel like that situation sort of resolves itself and I'd like to know why people have sort of glossed over what I said earlier about it?

GB being scum wouldn't really surprise me that much atm but I don't really understand this argument between either of you.


He even interjects between myself/GB saying he doesn't understand the argument because "the situation resolves itself" which it doesn't because my argument is that Wave is probably mafia from the night before, which Obi even acknowledges here:

On January 10 2021 08:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
@HF are you implying that wave was scum during n0?
That's the gist I got from your post but I wanted to make sure.



Obi seems to know that Conversion's nukes are fake which imo means that he knows:

1) Yamato is town
2) Conversion is also town

I think it's a bit of a stretch to go from seeing a nuke in the thread and assuming it's fake UNLESS you know the alignment of both of those players and use that logic to leap to "why would a townie nuke another townie pointlessly like that unless it's fake"

Are you legit calling everyone who didn't vote for me scum?
Go home.

Engaging the actual points would help you more than this. HF even did your job for you by attacking obi and you act like this. Do you want to kill obi or do you just want to survive?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 10 2021 15:46 GMT
#922
On January 11 2021 00:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
You are the worst. I love you but, just the worst.
Lynch me or don't. I've found scum and was happy again with this game until you came back

Putting down my phone

How exactly have you found scum?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 10 2021 15:47 GMT
#923
Or is calling someone mafia finding scum now.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 10 2021 16:31 GMT
#924
On January 11 2021 00:29 Holyflare wrote:
GB - refused to join wave wagon, cited bs reasons for "oh town can totally do that" without even knowing anything about what wave said

Tictock - refused to join wave wagon, cited that he felt the same as wave for wanting to see what Dandel's thing did and not really wanting to follow through with it:

Show nested quote +
On January 10 2021 19:23 Tictock wrote:
On January 10 2021 12:54 Holyflare wrote:
On January 10 2021 12:44 GlowingBear wrote:
On January 10 2021 12:40 Holyflare wrote:
What has happened in this game other than dandel? Literally nothing. Nobody pushing anything, nobody doing anything.

Wave wanted to have fun and told us all off for not voting dandel and now he won't have fun by voting hapa and seeing if something crazy will happen anymore?? Is that not suspicious to you at all? Why do you not care?


Why is that mafia motivated? I see the incongruency, but I dont see why he is mafia for that


Why is there an incongruous thought process if he's town???

Either he's town and miraculously stopped wanting to have fun for (?) reasons.

Or he's mafia and got put in a compromising position.


I enguaged Dandel's thing too and am now not wanting to pursue it to completion. So does that also make me mafia?

I don't think wanting to see what something will do but changing your mind when you get a glimpse of what it is, is alignment indicative.

I doubt any of the Dandel "mafia" would want to claim when everyone seems to be jumping on Wave for doing just that.


Seems to simultaneously think dandel's thing has to reach some kind of completion but also that people that rolled mafia in dandel's thing won't want to claim because they'll get called scummy. Either he believes Dandel's new game can happen or he doesn't, there's a missing piece of logic here where it looks like Tictock jumps through hoops to assume too many things.

Obi - possible worst offender of them all:

Show nested quote +
On January 09 2021 08:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I think conversion is me.
I also don't really think anything that's happening right now matters - I think we just sit and wait until night falls and everything will go back to the way it was.

I vote we no lynch or lynch Vivax, but I'm pretty much hands off today I think.


Wants to default to a 3P wagon or no lynch instead of actively searching to call anyone mafia, thinks that doing nothing will revert the game back to how it was. Seemingly reeks of TMI about Dandel's alignment and then even displays it:

Show nested quote +
On January 09 2021 09:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Why are people so convinced dandel is scum?
I guess that's mostly slam but I don't get it.


Show nested quote +
On January 10 2021 13:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Also Wave literally claimed scum so this argument seems kind of pointless. The real decision here lies in whether or not we think the game is going to revert back to normal by night or not. I feel like that situation sort of resolves itself and I'd like to know why people have sort of glossed over what I said earlier about it?

GB being scum wouldn't really surprise me that much atm but I don't really understand this argument between either of you.


He even interjects between myself/GB saying he doesn't understand the argument because "the situation resolves itself" which it doesn't because my argument is that Wave is probably mafia from the night before, which Obi even acknowledges here:

Show nested quote +
On January 10 2021 08:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
@HF are you implying that wave was scum during n0?
That's the gist I got from your post but I wanted to make sure.



Obi seems to know that Conversion's nukes are fake which imo means that he knows:

1) Yamato is town
2) Conversion is also town

I think it's a bit of a stretch to go from seeing a nuke in the thread and assuming it's fake UNLESS you know the alignment of both of those players and use that logic to leap to "why would a townie nuke another townie pointlessly like that unless it's fake"

I don't think I fully understand the Obi TMI point. Why would a mafia player assume a townie would not nuke a townie? I mean the townies don't know who is on their team.

Good post otherwise btw.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 10 2021 16:37 GMT
#925
I guess this doesn't really detract from the point since knowing conversions alignment would be enough to "logic leap" but yeah.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 10 2021 17:12 GMT
#927
I obviously knew my nuke was a dud, which is also why I assume conversion knew that about his.
I just didn't want Wave to be able to hide behind a claimed 3p. I also still think we should not lynch Vivax since his claim seemed genuine to me. If we are ever in doubt we can still kill him and if there are actual town KP he also wouldn't be a terrible shot but for now he is not a priority to me.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 10 2021 17:38 GMT
#935
Ah, will we finally get something juicy?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 10 2021 17:51 GMT
#942
On January 11 2021 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
SO y'all can take this with a few caveats. Some of this is not very strong reasoning, some of it I want to be true more than actually is. I will fully admit here to not being good at town. I'm good at looking very townie when I want to---this particular game I didn't feel like it for reasons stated earlier. What I'm not great at is scumhunting so again, y'all can take with a grain of salt.


Me Obi and unnamed thir dperson (for now) talking bak and forth a little. I warned them in advance I was going to scumclaim for the reasons I stated here---that I was increasingly disbelieving this was real especially due to my vanilla status. My scummates did not claim their roles or abilities to very much degree as I did.

At one point Obi (and I'll paraphrase here) said something along the lines of 'I hope this isn't real because if we're scum this game is going to suck,' which he admitted after he had edited. the word 'we're' used to be 'wave is.'

Basically he singled me out for some reason as it sucking going forward if I were really scum (n0) even though I scumclaimed, then fixing it because he realized it would suck equally as we're all in the same boat---but that edit reeks of some other information or way of thinking. The fact that he doesn't automatically think we're all in the same boat as being town n0 then 'turning into scum' with Dandel's D1 addition feels like s lip.

I will fully admit a great deal of the time scumslipping really isn't, but I'd look more at that weird mentality difference than what he said specifically.

There's other stuff. The softball questions that amount to nothing throughout the early game, refusing to take a stance or commit to much of anything.,

I will also admit part of me wants to be right because of something regarding Among Us---which HF can maybe vouch for if he was around? I think Conversion can. Yams can. It's very meta and I don't want to out my reasoning on this last one entirely because it ruins a read i have on him in that game so you can probably gnore this part lol

Why would anyone ever assume all people who dandel made scum had to have been town earlier?
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