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On January 18 2021 04:00 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2021 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think you shouldnt wifom too much HF, it makes people think youre mafia. Nobody thought I was mafia other than like one person lol
I think that person was mafia!TT. No, your WIFOM was a pain in the ass for mafia and generally not a bad thing. The bad thing is when you actually try to get killed because you don't want to play. Which I also understand since you were more or less the only townie actively and properly playing this game. This forum apparently isn't what it used to be.
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Maybe Shockey also thought you are mafia. But I honestly don't know if that has anything to do with your play.
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On January 18 2021 05:03 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2021 04:00 Holyflare wrote:On January 18 2021 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think you shouldnt wifom too much HF, it makes people think youre mafia. Nobody thought I was mafia other than like one person lol I think that person was mafia!TT. No, your WIFOM was a pain in the ass for mafia and generally not a bad thing. The bad thing is when you actually try to get killed because you don't want to play. Which I also understand since you were more or less the only townie actively and properly playing this game. This forum apparently isn't what it used to be.
I mean there's an off chance mafia are in my QT and get wifomed into not attacking me. There's another minute chance that wave is mafia and reverses a prot into damage. Or that you bus drive wave onto me and assume it'll kill me.
So it's not wholly that I wanted to die, just covering bases when it's likely you only have 1 kp and you've already targeted yamato.
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On January 18 2021 03:56 Dandel Ion wrote:
it's because you play like mafia
Dang you figured out my town meta. Now you know I play like town as mafia 
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On January 18 2021 05:05 justanothertownie wrote:
Maybe Shockey also thought you are mafia. But I honestly don't know if that has anything to do with your play.
He lied about the QT, I took it to the ass so mafia.
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On January 18 2021 05:03 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2021 04:00 Holyflare wrote:On January 18 2021 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think you shouldnt wifom too much HF, it makes people think youre mafia. Nobody thought I was mafia other than like one person lol I think that person was mafia!TT. No, your WIFOM was a pain in the ass for mafia and generally not a bad thing. The bad thing is when you actually try to get killed because you don't want to play. Which I also understand since you were more or less the only townie actively and properly playing this game. This forum apparently isn't what it used to be.
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Part of the reason I’m essentially pulling a conversion after this is that this game has had it dawn on me that I can literally be a cop with a redcheck and
1. Not be enough of a priority to shoot or save
2. Not be able to convince a town to lynch my target and
3. Garner suspicion for this
Clearly, this game is not for me. If mechanics can’t make up for my apparent lack of skill...
*and 2b. This across multiple days.
**and 4. All this in a game where people are saying it was heavily town favored when not one mafia was lynched.
*** and about 4... please explain how a game with two three at least still have not read all roles- mechanics that can make the team unlynchable for a phase is town favored?
I literally hit my check and could not lynch my target, largely due to those mechanics. The check also took two cycles to form, so you can’t weight my role as a full cop. WoS and others I can’t remember made baller saves, but those could have also snowballed to tons of extra KP.
There were basically two bad lynches iirc, which were GB and ShoCkeyy. Odds of Vivax hitting scum with his role: generally 1 in about 3 tbh. Even when the odds were reduced to 50:50, he obviously missed at my behest. When he SR me too.
People don’t take into account the power of lacking knowledge when they talk balance. I think this one was balanced well. Town played... either like shit or amazingly well, depending where you look, scum played normally and used dandel’s mechanics and shrouding their intent with those well to execute flawless victory. Props, but don’t then claim it was THAT much of an uphill battle before you imagine having an SR all game that you
Just
Cant
Lynch
Albeit I pointed out that was RP, it wasn’t too long before I meant every last bit of it- and still wasn’t certain!
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On January 18 2021 06:52 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2021 05:05 justanothertownie wrote:
Maybe Shockey also thought you are mafia. But I honestly don't know if that has anything to do with your play. He lied about the QT, I took it to the ass so mafia.
I retracted it when asked about it. But both yourself and obi clearly didn't read any of the thread to know about that :p
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On January 18 2021 08:00 Alakaslam wrote:
Part of the reason I’m essentially pulling a conversion after this is that this game has had it dawn on me that I can literally be a cop with a redcheck and
1. Not be enough of a priority to shoot or save
2. Not be able to convince a town to lynch my target and
3. Garner suspicion for this
Clearly, this game is not for me. If mechanics can’t make up for my apparent lack of skill...
*and 2b. This across multiple days.
**and 4. All this in a game where people are saying it was heavily town favored when not one mafia was lynched.
*** and about 4... please explain how a game with two three at least still have not read all roles- mechanics that can make the team unlynchable for a phase is town favored?
I literally hit my check and could not lynch my target, largely due to those mechanics. The check also took two cycles to form, so you can’t weight my role as a full cop. WoS and others I can’t remember made baller saves, but those could have also snowballed to tons of extra KP.
There were basically two bad lynches iirc, which were GB and ShoCkeyy. Odds of Vivax hitting scum with his role: generally 1 in about 3 tbh. Even when the odds were reduced to 50:50, he obviously missed at my behest. When he SR me too.
People don’t take into account the power of lacking knowledge when they talk balance. I think this one was balanced well. Town played... either like shit or amazingly well, depending where you look, scum played normally and used dandel’s mechanics and shrouding their intent with those well to execute flawless victory. Props, but don’t then claim it was THAT much of an uphill battle before you imagine having an SR all game that you
Just
Cant
Lynch
Albeit I pointed out that was RP, it wasn’t too long before I meant every last bit of it- and still wasn’t certain!
Don't be too hard on yourself. The reason we did not shoot you was that we knew in advance who you would check because of the way your role worked with the need to vote them first. If that hadn't been the case we absolutely would have tried to get rid of you. Your gameplay was not the reason.
No idea what town was doing on day2. Dandel should have been the lynch 100 %.
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*** and about 4... please explain how a game with two three at least still have not read all roles- mechanics that can make the team unlynchable for a phase is town favored?
I can't because I cant understand what you mean by this?
I think you are counting jat's pardon, Dandel's power, and Vivax's ability? Dandel's and Jat's powers wouldn't activate in MyLo/LyLo and the pardon is basically a scum claim if used. We had no control over Vivax and how he chose to use his ability (he wasn't actually mafia aligned, and I think he WAS trying to help lynch scum, ask him), so really we had Dandel's ability and that was great for confusion but only protected Dandel.
As for the check, "had KP" is NOT a redcheck and you even backed down on thinking Dandel was mafia for it at one point. It should have been enough to get him lynched though imo.
I do think this game was incredibly balanced for what it was, but it easily could have played out very poorly for scum. You complain scum had "three" ways to make themselves unlynchable, well town had a one shot JK, the ability to invert KP into a Prot, and Prot via Obi. Not to mention your checks or if Vivax had dueled scum instead of town.
As Hapa said not not working together, not pursuing your checks, playing to lose, creating extra confusion etc is the reason town lost.
And nobody claimed this was an uphill battle, just that objectively the roles and mechanics all tend to favor town a little more than scum.
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Well at least town didnt have unroleblockable jailer this game...
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I wish I could've played more. I have less free time on weekends nowadays :/
GG guys, looking forward to play again
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On January 18 2021 08:00 Alakaslam wrote:
Part of the reason I’m essentially pulling a conversion after this is that this game has had it dawn on me that I can literally be a cop with a redcheck and
1. Not be enough of a priority to shoot or save
2. Not be able to convince a town to lynch my target and
3. Garner suspicion for this
Clearly, this game is not for me. If mechanics can’t make up for my apparent lack of skill...
*and 2b. This across multiple days.
**and 4. All this in a game where people are saying it was heavily town favored when not one mafia was lynched.
*** and about 4... please explain how a game with two three at least still have not read all roles- mechanics that can make the team unlynchable for a phase is town favored?
I literally hit my check and could not lynch my target, largely due to those mechanics. The check also took two cycles to form, so you can’t weight my role as a full cop. WoS and others I can’t remember made baller saves, but those could have also snowballed to tons of extra KP.
There were basically two bad lynches iirc, which were GB and ShoCkeyy. Odds of Vivax hitting scum with his role: generally 1 in about 3 tbh. Even when the odds were reduced to 50:50, he obviously missed at my behest. When he SR me too.
People don’t take into account the power of lacking knowledge when they talk balance. I think this one was balanced well. Town played... either like shit or amazingly well, depending where you look, scum played normally and used dandel’s mechanics and shrouding their intent with those well to execute flawless victory. Props, but don’t then claim it was THAT much of an uphill battle before you imagine having an SR all game that you
Just
Cant
Lynch
Albeit I pointed out that was RP, it wasn’t too long before I meant every last bit of it- and still wasn’t certain!
Tbf, dandel not getting lynched was 100% because of vivax. We were lynching him before that happened.
Honestly this game is a pretty solid reminder of why I left in the first place lmao.
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On January 18 2021 09:28 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2021 08:00 Alakaslam wrote:
Part of the reason I’m essentially pulling a conversion after this is that this game has had it dawn on me that I can literally be a cop with a redcheck and
1. Not be enough of a priority to shoot or save
2. Not be able to convince a town to lynch my target and
3. Garner suspicion for this
Clearly, this game is not for me. If mechanics can’t make up for my apparent lack of skill...
*and 2b. This across multiple days.
**and 4. All this in a game where people are saying it was heavily town favored when not one mafia was lynched.
*** and about 4... please explain how a game with two three at least still have not read all roles- mechanics that can make the team unlynchable for a phase is town favored?
I literally hit my check and could not lynch my target, largely due to those mechanics. The check also took two cycles to form, so you can’t weight my role as a full cop. WoS and others I can’t remember made baller saves, but those could have also snowballed to tons of extra KP.
There were basically two bad lynches iirc, which were GB and ShoCkeyy. Odds of Vivax hitting scum with his role: generally 1 in about 3 tbh. Even when the odds were reduced to 50:50, he obviously missed at my behest. When he SR me too.
People don’t take into account the power of lacking knowledge when they talk balance. I think this one was balanced well. Town played... either like shit or amazingly well, depending where you look, scum played normally and used dandel’s mechanics and shrouding their intent with those well to execute flawless victory. Props, but don’t then claim it was THAT much of an uphill battle before you imagine having an SR all game that you
Just
Cant
Lynch
Albeit I pointed out that was RP, it wasn’t too long before I meant every last bit of it- and still wasn’t certain! Don't be too hard on yourself. The reason we did not shoot you was that we knew in advance who you would check because of the way your role worked with the need to vote them first. If that hadn't been the case we absolutely would have tried to get rid of you. Your gameplay was not the reason. No idea what town was doing on day2. Dandel should have been the lynch 100 %.
Oh, I just needed to tunnel to upgrade my checks.
It just so happened that my first scum read turned into my actual game long tunnel, especially when the invalidation of my initial vote caused me to not properly upgrade d1.
Imagine a heal being reversed into KP with a QT then proceeding to shoot town
Game over ? 🤔
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It must suck being so resentful. When you have to find mafia without roles, this is one of the hardest games in existence.
The guys who stick around mostly do so because they recover from butthurtery quickly and enjoy the process, not the outcome.
What can I say? I goofed, but Dandel earned it for the entertainment value alone. Ticktocks performance on the last day was very good and JAT also played it well. So can't say mafia didn't earn it.
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Town overall played quite poorly outside of night actions.
Mafia played really well in almost all aspects of the game, and they still could have lost if the final day hadn't gone exactly as it did. Conversion easily could have nuked TT, town could have lynched Dandel, and the game would have come down to JAT attempting to solo against a lot of powerful town roles and at least a few people still trying to make sense of the game.
That's why the game is town favored. The events of this game do not reflect the balance of the setup very well because of how the last 2 days played out. Many people made mistakes, myself obviously included. I am not particularly interested in the minutiae. I will say though, there was a lot of self-fulfilling prophecy this game.
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On January 18 2021 16:15 yamato77 wrote:
Town overall played quite poorly outside of night actions.
Mafia played really well in almost all aspects of the game, and they still could have lost if the final day hadn't gone exactly as it did. Conversion easily could have nuked TT, town could have lynched Dandel, and the game would have come down to JAT attempting to solo against a lot of powerful town roles and at least a few people still trying to make sense of the game.
That's why the game is town favored. The events of this game do not reflect the balance of the setup very well because of how the last 2 days played out. Many people made mistakes, myself obviously included. I am not particularly interested in the minutiae. I will say though, there was a lot of self-fulfilling prophecy this game.
And maybe some actual prophecy too, if I just had more confidence. I hate acting like I really know anything though.
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On January 18 2021 15:38 Vivax wrote:
It must suck being so resentful. When you have to find mafia without roles, this is one of the hardest games in existence.
The guys who stick around mostly do so because they recover from butthurtery quickly and enjoy the process, not the outcome.
What can I say? I goofed, but Dandel earned it for the entertainment value alone. Ticktocks performance on the last day was very good and JAT also played it well. So can't say mafia didn't earn it.
Stamp this on a shirt and send it to me, please.
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Truer words have never been spoken. I enjoy just playing with ya'll. Just to give you an idea, this is basically the only game I've been able to play since baby was born.
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On January 19 2021 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2021 15:38 Vivax wrote:
It must suck being so resentful. When you have to find mafia without roles, this is one of the hardest games in existence.
The guys who stick around mostly do so because they recover from butthurtery quickly and enjoy the process, not the outcome.
What can I say? I goofed, but Dandel earned it for the entertainment value alone. Ticktocks performance on the last day was very good and JAT also played it well. So can't say mafia didn't earn it. Stamp this on a shirt and send it to me, please.
I just realized how ambiguous that sounds LOL
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