EPT[N]A Mostly Normal Game of Mafia
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On November 24 2020 05:24 Hapahauli wrote: Ah, so this is one of those existential mafia games. Personally, I play mafia to be yelled at by Rayn... and he should be coming any... minute... now... now exactly  | ||
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On November 24 2020 05:45 Hapahauli wrote: Are you sadistic enough to involve yourself in politics? Will you announce your candidacy? Can you open this up a little bit? What's the agenda behind this? I mean it is quite clear that for any reason TT didn't really care about answering you and you have also posted since so... | ||
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On November 24 2020 06:35 Hapahauli wrote: His non-answer is a small fact that may fit into the larger "puzzle" of his filter and play later on. It does not mean anything to me without additional context. Is there any reason that you are "boldly" reading TT as town early on? I kinda get that his game "contrasts" from the last one in that he is early/active/loosely-posting, but that's a pretty small sample size to be making any strong reads. Okay, we'll see about that later on then. Then i am also not gonna post the follow up i was going to yet.  Yes that's the reason i am reading him town so far. The read is as strong as any half-an-hour-to-the-game-read can be. So yeah, not strong but the strongest i have so far. On November 24 2020 06:30 Alakaslam wrote:  I was hoping you would shit on my campaign or vote for meLooks like hapa was right though, you’re here to question him. You are right i am. Because honestly i want either him or me to be the mayor. I dont really care which one in case he is town. Because of two things i think that; One, the mayor has a bodyguard. In case hapa is town and mayor he becomes even "more very very valuable" asset to the town as it will take at least two night for mafia to get rid of him. I obviously also think i am better than anyone else (or at least on par) so the same goes for me. Two, you have a tendency to "drop out" at times and/or forget/fail to send in actions/properly read the game, and therefore i can name other people too that would in my opinion be more valuable as mayor in case they are town. I also dont like you take on the pardoner, but i dont think that means anything towards your alignment. Pardoner should pretty much never use the power. Period. | ||
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On November 24 2020 06:58 Hapahauli wrote: Aren't you aware that TT has a documented history of making his first few posts w/out reading his Role PM (i.e. last game, he posted his Acro case without really knowing that Acro was his scumbuddy)? Not to say that is an excuse for dismissing reading his early filter entirely, but it does make me a bit loathe to put anything out there read-wise early on. I am mainly referring to him forgetting about the game. Did he say he didnt read his role PM at all or only his scumbuddies? I didn't exactly say that did i? But i still think i am anyways so i might have said it aswell, regardless of your affiliation. | ||
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On November 07 2020 02:06 Tictock wrote: I thought it was pretty funny that I legit forgot about the game (or at least hadn't expected it to start as quick as it did) and so when I did jump in I barely looked at my Role PM. I saw I was scum but failed to note who my team was before I started reading. I only checked after I had posted my scumlean on Acro >.< | ||
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On November 24 2020 07:10 Hapahauli wrote: Isn't that the implication of what you said? You want to be mayor, but it is OK if town-Hapa is mayor also. That implies that you do not want other players, even if "town" to be mayor. Yes you are right. It is. | ||
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On November 24 2020 07:14 Tictock wrote: Rayn is getting points for having a good memory as well an enjoyable way of putting why slam probably should not be mayor regardless of alignment. I actually had to check that out and why am i getting points for "regardless of my alignment thing"? | ||
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On November 24 2020 08:21 Trfel wrote: I have to agree with you, that is quite bold indeed  Fair enough, I suppose we'll see eventually.In other news, I kinda like Alakaslam this game. Which likely means he's mafia, he has a tendency to be the opposite alignment of whatever I think he is If possible, I think it may be wise to control the votes such that all of the votes are on the same person, thus making there no Pardoner as there is no one in second place (or would it then be randomized... so many questions). Though unfortunately that seems very difficult to control, and if it's possible to vote for oneself, it may be worthwhile for mafia to ninja vote because it would take two lynches to eliminate them. Maybe not such a good idea after all. Ah well. Hi all Any thoughts about Alakaslam?You know, pretty much everything is so wrong in this post. | ||
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On November 24 2020 08:33 Trfel wrote: Well, this should be interesting Care to enlighten us?Obviously my idea about everyone voting for the same target isn't great. I left it in because I found it funny. But other than that, I'm interested in your take on Alakaslam? I'm more than happy to share my reasoning, but I'd like to know what you think first. I dont understand why you write a whole paragraph on your idea of everyone voting for the same target, then dismiss it for something mafia would never do. I dont understand why you tell me "well we will see" instead of reading the daypost again and figure out you're actually wrong as i said. Because the daypost clearly says you may vote for yourself for the mayor. Even your paragraph introduces that while you "dont know if it's true or not". Now i dont really know why you are lying in case youre mafia but at best that's just wasted time. I cannot tell Slam's alignment. My gut says he might be town but i really cant read him that well i think. However i don't understand if you read him as town so far how does whatever people say sway your opinion as you said you apparently cant read him aswell? | ||
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On November 24 2020 08:41 Alakaslam wrote: I still think I should be mayor because Hapa and Rayn can influence me if needed and they are both just as capable of royally screwing town if they are scum and get elected whereas I am known to pretty much suck and universally get caught as scum. Why should you be elected because of this? | ||
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On November 24 2020 08:52 Trfel wrote: For me, Alakaslam's mayor candidacy feels genuine. While I don't necessarily agree with his "pliable" argument, it seems to come from a town perspective. I also like his tone this game, it feels like a good balance between serious and playful, which I think is hard for Alakaslam as scum. I've seen him play both very joking and very serious as mafia, but a balance like shown here is harder to achieve. I think i agree with other parts of your post, but why would Slam NOT candidate himself as mayor as mafia? Why would anyone, regardless of alignment, per se not wanna be mayor? Slight possibility, no? Given the KP formula in the setup post rather than just saying 1 KP. really? so mylo D2 if the mayor lynches town? even worse if the mayor/pardoner happens to be mafia.... | ||
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On November 24 2020 08:56 Alakaslam wrote: Essentially! Town will listen to you! They won’t listen to me for shit though, other than to discern my alignment. But arent you saying you will do my will anyways? | ||
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On November 24 2020 09:00 Trfel wrote: I am not saying that Alakaslam wouldn't try to make himself mayor as mafia. He likely would. I feel that the way he has gone about it is genuine and towny. Maybe, i think there is also the possibility that he is shouting it because whatever happens will happen anyways and he might get town credit or even much enough town credit to be mayor. | ||
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On November 24 2020 09:12 Alakaslam wrote: Why is hapa NOT campaigning then? Now this is actually a townie question i have been waiting anyone to ask. | ||
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On November 24 2020 09:15 Alakaslam wrote: Well Yeah which is why you wanting it to be you or him was sus as hell but then Trfel came and put his pants on his head and shat on the carpet so I was too busy going “wtf” at that. Plus the occam’s razor hamblin’s razor whichever one. I dont know if you realised it but i have been kinda being after this from my first post to him. I guess i can reveal my this thing: now. On November 24 2020 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, we'll see about that later on then. Then i am also not gonna post the follow up i was going to yet. I dont really think Hapa is town atm. I think he should at least maybe have some reads he doesnt atm. | ||
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On November 24 2020 09:38 Hapahauli wrote: oh baby yeah give it to me more If it is about me then i dont take any offense. From the last time i think i did a bit after i figured out you are town. Here i really do not, since i dont think you have given any insight so far. Its okay though, i dont mind, but i also dont like you acting like this for ???? | ||
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I think Slam and TT are town. Maybe Trfle is town too. That's pretty much it so far. | ||
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On November 24 2020 21:00 Jockmcplop wrote: What are you basing this off? Is it meta or just that in your opinion everyone should have reads at this point? Well in my opinion everyone should have at least some reads at this moment. I also dont have to go further than last game where hapa's second post in the game is a read, followed by almost all of his posts being reads. | ||
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On November 24 2020 21:53 Jockmcplop wrote: So when hap says he doesn't like to give reads early that should raise a huge red flag for you. Not necessarily any huge red flags, but red flags for sure. I am not really too bothered about it since i am pretty surei will know his alignment well enough by the eod anyways. | ||
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On November 24 2020 23:28 Vivax wrote: Slam intersecting between rayn + Hapa in a way that seems to favour Hapa strikes me as scummy along with saying he wouldn't run as mayor when mafia. Trying too hard to be the nice guy imo. . Where do you get this from Vivax? | ||
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On November 25 2020 00:34 Hapahauli wrote: Trfel's posting is also dead-on with his previous town games. His entrance shows he is reading the thread. He also has this "peculiar" way of making his reads as town, which I will elaborate on if I feel he is in danger of getting lynched. I think he has also appropriately pinged Grack's posts, as well as Rayn's relative passivity, which shows a degree of careful reading in the early game Can you elaborate more on this subject? Like in more detailed way, quote what he said and explain how it is as you wrote here. I got a bit more busy with work, so i am gonna be around properly in about 3.5 hrs. Until then i am just watching mostly. | ||
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On November 25 2020 02:12 Hapahauli wrote: It's easy for Trfel to make a throwaway "suspicious of Rayn" post, but he ends up fairly justifiable suspicions given the early-game context. Based on my own interactions with you this game (Rayn), I am also somewhat surprised that we aren't ranting at each other yet. This doesn't make you inherently mafia, but the tone is different enough for me to take notice, and for me to nod my head when others take notice. I dont necessarily disagree with the Grack stuff, as i havent been able to properly read the interaction yet. But i am gonna discuss stuff about this later, for sure. | ||
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On November 25 2020 02:12 Hapahauli wrote: Mainly this post: It's easy for Trfel to make a throwaway "suspicious of Rayn" post, but he ends up fairly justifiable suspicions given the early-game context. Based on my own interactions with you this game (Rayn), I am also somewhat surprised that we aren't ranting at each other yet. This doesn't make you inherently mafia, but the tone is different enough for me to take notice, and for me to nod my head when others take notice. Let's see what Trfel's accusation towards me was. - "seemed like a bit of a push-over" - "He said he couldn't read Alakaslam, and then later agreed about leaning town on Alakaslam" First of all i am trying to play differently from the last game in terms of not jumping on everything and not getting annoyed by stupid shit. Aside from those two things i think i played pretty perfect game and every time it mattered (aka the lynches) i ended up on the right answer every single time in the game. I mainly don't want to jump on Hapa as i usually tend to do because in case he is town we know where that will end up on as it happened a couple of games ago (the one with shockeyy and whoever other person was mafia). I ended up ruining my own whole game just to call Hapa mafia after he got annoyed at me and started intentionally acting like i think he would as mafia (lol). So yeah, you can call me "push-over" or whatever you want but that doesn't mean anything regarding my alignment. The second part is more interesting to me. I think it was very clear to everyone why i townread Slam. I even made two posts about it. These two: On November 24 2020 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now this is actually a townie question i have been waiting anyone to ask. On November 24 2020 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont know if you realised it but i have been kinda being after this from my first post to him. I guess i can reveal my this thing: now. I dont really think Hapa is town atm. I think he should at least maybe have some reads he doesnt atm. I still don't know why Hapa doesn't want to be mayor. And it stinks. I dont necessarily buy the "i dont wanna be town leader" because to me it doesnt sit right. Why dont you want to lead the town if youre likely to be right (as you should at least think you are if youre town) and you are generally a good scumhunter? I just dont get it. Especially coupled with one of Hapa's later posts: On November 25 2020 00:41 Hapahauli wrote: In general, we should be voting for someone who 1) is valuable to the town if alive, and 2) has a reasonable chance of getting shot on N1. Slam does not fit category 2, even if he looks super town. Even if Grack starts looking more town, he also does not fit category 2. Which of you everyone think Hapa does not fit these categories? Raise your hand and i will immediately call you mafia.... But that was not the main point. The main point was that i think both of Hapa and Trfel thinking it's a good observation that "rayn says he cannot read Slam and then reads him town anyways" is at best crappy as hell because good posts make people town and bad posts make them mafia most of the time. Slam made the best observation (at least in my mind -- and there should be no doubt about it for anyone who is reading the game properly) in the game at that point. No matter if i think i cant read slam i am going to give him town credit for that. Notably aswell, for Hapa this shouldnt be any surprise because in the last game i also said i cant read slam and i cant read acro and i was amongst the first to yell they are mafia.... So yeah there is that. Now i am going to look at the trfel/grack interaction and then post my reads. | ||
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On November 25 2020 00:34 Hapahauli wrote: Trfel's posting is also dead-on with his previous town games. Which mafia games of his did you read to reach this conclusion? | ||
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On November 25 2020 06:22 ShoCkeyy wrote: Idk man, grack these past few games as town has been lack luster then this game is straight up try hard. Idk man, if grack is try hard this game does it alone make him mafia? | ||
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On November 25 2020 06:29 Alakaslam wrote: Ok yes but rayn why aren’t you running for mayor then? And why didn’t you? I mean it is too late now but if that was how you felt, why did you not at least vote yourself and say what you would do? Despite your apparently good play I am really hung up on that from you. I see a town reason to play that way, and I do see a scum reason as well. So We will see if you are honest (or can fool me) or if you just don’t reply huh what? have i ever even implied i dont want to be mayor? why is it too late for me to "run" for mayor? why do i have to do some sort of "campaign"? I guess you americans like your presidental bullshit circus but yeah no... | ||
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On November 25 2020 06:30 Hapahauli wrote: Out of curiosity Rayn, what is my motive or incentive as mafia to not run for Mayor, if I am a "natural" mayoral candidate? idk, maybe to be less of "town leader" as you said, sit in the sidelines more and justify not being shot. i dont know why mafia does stupid stuff. you do those as well as anyone else does | ||
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On November 25 2020 06:35 Hapahauli wrote: Let's assume that I am mafia-hapa, trying to live a lazy-scum-life and therefore avoiding the limelight. Would it still not be a good strategy for me to be elected mayor? I would have quite a nice excuse for being alive later in the game. But you'd have to lead. Which you as per your own words do not want to do. Lynch kills you regardless of bodyguard. | ||
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Do you like think it's scummy for me to think there is something wrong with best town player in the game not wanting to be mayor? | ||
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On November 25 2020 06:38 Hapahauli wrote: Fair enough. I'd like to see what you think about the trfel/grack stuffs. I think Grack comes off really townie from that exchange. I dont think there is anything scummy per se for Trfel either, maybe he is actually "worse" of a nitpicker than i am since i dont even understand his original shit -- or like i get it but i dont really see how it would make Grack anything and it feels like every other post he wants to call Grack mafia and then he says not really :D | ||
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shockeyy, ff as mafia. TT has fallen off quite tremendously after his (i think) townie start. Then there is Hapa and Trfel. Everyone else i am quite comfortable calling town. | ||
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I dont really get what you are saying about Grack? I think Grack is a tricky and a smart player but i dont really think he is trying to make anything out of nothing here? | ||
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On November 25 2020 06:59 ShoCkeyy wrote: Why is your first choice to always think I’m mafia Maybe because i am mafia? No for real, it is mostly poe for me for you at the moment. Maybe it is because of your situation rl, maybe it is because you are mafia. I don't know so please help me in case you are not. I know you dont tend to make/have reads early on. Has that changed after last game? | ||
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On November 25 2020 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont really get what you are saying about Grack? I think Grack is a tricky and a smart player but i dont really think he is trying to make anything out of nothing here? If there is anything that bothers me about Grack it is that i dont get how he has a townread on Hapa. "making reads" isn't really a town thing in itself. | ||
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On November 25 2020 07:31 Hapahauli wrote: Regarding Grack, it is possible that I am making something of nothing. All early-game cases have a good amount of guesswork. This game especially - there seems to be no player that is actively pushing the pace of the game along, and we frankly don't have much to go on. Anywho, my suspicions on Grack are something that I see reasonably often come from mafia. I wouldn't call my "confidence interval" on it super high (there's only so much accuracy to have in a 10-page game), but it's really the best I can go on at this point. With Grack, his play can be summed up as such: 1) A fairly substanceless mayoral "campaign"; 2) An interaction with Trfel in which he seems to soft-call Trfel mafia without directly saying so: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/565699-a-mostly-normal-game-of-mafia?page=9#175 (for example, him saying that Trfel wants to "dig himself out of a hole" is very difficult to construct as anything other than throwing suspicion at him) 3) A town-read on me with some... questionable logic... ... and that's the best I can go on at this point with 10 pages. And I'd rather talk about and attempt to find reasons that people are mafia rather than PoE my way into lynching lurkers. We may very will lynch a lurker, but I do not believe that is a good foundation of discussion. I can't speak for Grack but i can say this: 1) I dont think this means anything since grack tends to be -- regardless of alignment -- a jokey person in mafia games. 2) He actually answered you on this: On November 25 2020 01:33 Grackaroni wrote: The reason is that I didn't like the way he was construing/attacking my post. To me it seemed like he just decided he needed someone to attack at that moment and that I'd make a good target. I guess I view the game differently since I make lots of posts without any bearing to reads on the game or posts that are outright shitposts. I'd be curious in what you mean by him appropriately pinging my post though. You feel that what I said had no relation to what you said and think I was being too wishy-washy by not saying that I'd never post a read early on? At least i thought you were fine with the answer since you didnt push the matter further. Okay, maybe you do now. I was fine with the answer though. 3) I agree that can be mafia talking. I dont want to lynch some poe dude. Which is why i am trying to get shockeyy who is here atm to talk more. | ||
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On November 25 2020 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Which mafia games of his did you read to reach this conclusion? I'd like to up this. | ||
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On November 25 2020 08:41 Fecalfeast wrote: Hi I'm working weird hours I'm here now what's up i have 30 mins max before bed time. where is your head at? | ||
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On November 25 2020 08:56 Trfel wrote: @raynpelikoneet, sorry I missed you today I've been feeling really poor mentally, ended up sleeping through most of the day. Upside is I'll be up pretty late at night, but probably going to bed by about the time you get up again I wanted to discuss things with you and be around at the same time, that's my fault.Will you be around tomorrow before the deadline? Most likely not. Well i am at work and i AM grantedly having a computer that i am not supposed to use on this shit but i will anyways... :D But still, i cannot guarantee anything. Even today i had a "nothing to do day" and i started playing mafia, ended up on not good regarding work... | ||
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On November 25 2020 08:55 Tictock wrote: At this point anybody seriously wanting to be mayor had better have actual opinions, a preffered lynch target, and reasons why. Okay who is your preference atm? | ||
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On November 25 2020 09:07 Trfel wrote: As a counterpoint to this, isn't the one game where you failed to catch Vivax as mafia his only recent mafia game? I could be wrong on that, but I remember that game recently where Vivax actually played the game as mafia for one of the first times, and it was significantly different from his previously typical mafia play (which was easily identifiable). Since he's demonstrated his capabilities as mafia, I think that makes him much harder to read, especially early on. I'm just interested in your thoughts on that, and if you included that in your read? I agree. With pretty much everything you say. As it is exactly the game you are referring to. Still, i never saw him make very good shit posts that actually look town. Meh okay, i agree i am kinda skipping shit here but i think it is fine at this.. I dont think i am gonna change my mind here though.. | ||
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Deadline for me is work (basically). If anyone tells "rayn is just posting random shit without quoting smartly" fucking kill that every day. | ||
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On November 25 2020 09:25 Trfel wrote: I don't feel too focused on Vivax's meta? I just know he's a capable scum player, and I don't feel like he's done anything out of that range yet. I'm confident his alignment will become more clear over time, I always think that lynches and deadlines make it much easier to discern players' alignments. uh.. then we have a problem. because i dont have him as "capable scum player" at all. | ||
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On November 25 2020 09:29 Trfel wrote: I guess we will have to agree to disagree then. IMO you have to assume someone can play to the top of their scum range, and Vivax has demonstrated at least a decent scum range. Even if typically he hasn't hit that. I like Vivax's play so far and I'd town lean him I think, but I'm not too confident yet. I dont understand. Why do we have an argument on Vivax if you agree with me on him? | ||
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On November 25 2020 09:33 Trfel wrote: Because you're highly confident he is town, I'm much closer to null but slightly town? I wouldn't call it an argument, I was just wanting to know where you were coming from. I now understand, even if I don't agree. Oh right. Yeah that's true. | ||
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I am relatively sure that Jock, Grack, Slam and Vivax are town. Hapa is probably town too just being very dumb atm. I am atually starting to think shockeyy is town too. His disapproval about Gracks campaign and the "opposition" sounds like fucking convoluted way to make a read in case he is mafia, let alone if he was mafia with Grack (as hapa seems to be suggesting lol). Also shockeyy did that oncee before too, where he thought i must be mafia because i had some rolename he thought has to be mafia. I find it extremely funny that there is a dude calling me mafia for being disinterested or whatever (which i am not) and then his reads list has 80% of the players null. It's just fucking idiotic rofl. I think my best choice for lynch would be FF or TT. FF more because at least some point TT looked townish, and i cannot remember anything FF has said this game. If i am not elected i want to elect Gtrack and i definitely dont want Trfel to be pardoner, Slam for that spot if not me. | ||
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On November 25 2020 07:22 ShoCkeyy wrote: Rayn this is basically my reasoning on why I don’t think Grack is a town player this game. Hapa why does shockeyy make this post if he is mafia with Grackaroni? | ||
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On November 25 2020 23:30 Hapahauli wrote: Whoever is mayor should shoot Grack or Shockeyy. Shockeyy is remarkably disengaged in this game. He is existing, but again, no idea of what he wants to accomplish beyond his mayoral preferences. into On November 26 2020 02:22 Hapahauli wrote: My sense from his (shockeyy) play this game is that he's more likely to be 3p or town. into I would be OK with lynching TT. It is more of a pure lurker policy lynch thing though. And it is the path of least resistance. Which annoys me, but is not a D1 disaster. First you basically called shockeyy mafia because he is a lurker and isnt doing anything, then you say he is town just because trfel thinks something... Then you call TT policy lurker lynch. Why was TT not in your first list because for me it looks like you should be treating shockeyy and TT the same? And why does your opinion on shockeyy change like that? You have hosted probably 10 games where shockeyy has played, and you are the one that figured out shockeyy is mafia in "trfel help" game.... You should already know or have an idea how he plays, and definitely one sentence from Trfel should not change your mind COMPLETELY. | ||
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On November 26 2020 02:39 Tictock wrote: Why are people not voting for Rayn? Because mafia does not want me to be mayor and townies are apparently idiots. | ||
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On November 26 2020 04:01 Trfel wrote: I think (other than Jockmcplop, since no one seems to agree with me on that) my preferred lynch is probably Fecalfeast. I thought you were already going back on that, i mean you literally said so. | ||
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On November 26 2020 00:34 Trfel wrote: Regardless, I think the lynch should be between (in no particular order) Jockmcplop, ShoCkeyy, Fecalfeast, Tictock, and Grackaroni. I'll try and focus on these people. Maybe less inclined to kill Jockmcplop? As his answer earlier is what I was hoping to hear, and I'm interested to see what he does with more time to play. This means he is NOT your preferred lynch target no? | ||
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On November 26 2020 04:03 Hapahauli wrote: I think lynching into TT/FF is a bad idea based on recent posting. Neither of them really have that survivalist instinct that I'd associate with mafia in this position. I once again would like Grack lynched. I dont see it that way at all. As FF it's literally the best play for mafia to vote for me for mayor because some dumbass will always go "ohh why is he doing that when i want to kill him". As town you never want to vote for the person who wants to kill you because that ends up 100% in town lynch. Trfel had at the time 4-5 options for his lynch, i had only two and i openly stated i prefer FF over TT. Same goes to TT, but with less "merit". | ||
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On November 26 2020 04:58 Alakaslam wrote: I am beginning to think it is Trfel Hapa now though. The wifom js deep Elaborate please. Where does this come from? | ||
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On the other hand, i myself think Slam comes off as worst from eod. I am not ready to tell why yet, but i will at some point when it is relevant. My problem is that the "easiest" answer would be that Slam and FF are mafia but i don't think there is a world where they are mafia together so i am for sure missing something. | ||
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On November 26 2020 06:23 Vivax wrote: With the flip I might have to reconsider, but I didn't buy the argument that Grack was scum for things around his mayoral campaign. To me it seemed like an obvious shitpost. IE Hapa didn't respect the context which happens often to mafia when they look for reasons to point at someone. Why do you might have to reconsider as Grack didnt flip mafia? | ||
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On November 26 2020 06:16 Hapahauli wrote: I think Vivax looks the worst from the flurry of posting around the hours leading to the lynch. Can you elaborate more on this? | ||
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On November 26 2020 06:40 Alakaslam wrote: It was just so weird, they were off in their own corner and I saw no real particularly townie thing from them. Lots of good stuff, but scum can do good too. It’s how you swindle town. The problem i see here is that it should be quite clear why i decided to change my lynch preference, as i said so. After that you start thinking Hapa and Trfel are mafia, not TT anymore, who was btw one of the people who at least quickly jumped on Grack is mafia train. Like i would be totally fine with your eod if you started yelling me "look this super scummy TT is gonna make you change the lynch!!" but no, that's not what you did. Even though TT technically at least possibly played a role in that. Another thing is that you had no problem with me lynching FF while you didn't think he was the best lynch. Suddenly there was a big nono when i move to some other target that is STILL not your preferred lynch. | ||
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On November 26 2020 06:48 Alakaslam wrote: Think about this though. It’s NAI. If Grack were scum, that would implicate me. No it would implicate you MORE. It still may make you mafia because mafia often times react in completely retarded ways on something they dont expect to happen. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + joke Or at least let this thought carry me throughout the game! It would be almost as glorious as being a time traveller that coudl actually time travel properly. I fucking blame greymist. | ||
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On November 26 2020 07:06 Hapahauli wrote: Regarding Slam: 1) His posting is so wildly different from his scum-game in Aperture that I find it difficult to believe he is mafia. As mafia, it almost seems like he's constantly fighting the guilt of being scum. He is much looser here. 2) His move to consolidate the town on Rayn by abandoning his candidacy is objectively pro-town. My reservations against Rayn aside, it was very important at that point in the game for town to focus and consolidate. I will be honest i dont really know what slam would or would not post as mafia, or why he would do that. But still, even if this looks like i am contradicting myself, to me it looks like he knew grack is gonna flip not mafia. I think that invalidates your point (2). Also what does that even matter if both me and trfel are town? one of us is gonna decide the lynch anyways and slam has very little to say in that. I guess we are both stuck with having meta as a layer of looking slam's / vivax's posts "objectively", if you know what i mean? | ||
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On November 26 2020 07:16 Hapahauli wrote: As for Vivax's actions here, it is more appropriate to consider the utility of what he is doing, especially since he is an experienced and capable town player. Here, his actions and posting are functionally useless, and his attempt to spread suspicion on several targets only hampers town's ability to consolidate on a lynch. Additionally, Vivax doesn't seem to have any reason to believe that Grack is town. Why is he hard-defending him to that degree? If Grack is null, he basically has the same chance of flipping mafia that any rando lurker lynch would have. Okay, at least on general level i agree for the first part. You might be right here. As for the second part i can think of townie answer but i am gonna let Vivax say his piece on this. | ||
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On November 26 2020 07:19 Hapahauli wrote: Problem is, you could justify lynching Slam in literally any game he plays if you only look at what he is "objectively" doing. Anyway, I am curious why you feel that Vivax's meta makes him very town here, given he had a relatively strong performance in his last scum game. Also, I don't get the sense that he is reading anything carefully. The way he played the end of Day 1 seems incredibly lazy. That's not true. For Slam. At least i don't think so. Because Vivax tends to disagree with everything i say and one of us tends to die early in case we are both town. I dont generally read his posts very carefully because they are not much of use to me. I kinda just look like if he looks like he is town or not. Also as i said, it's one game. I dont care if it is recent or not, but i have seen Vivax play mafia maybe 10 times if not more and one "irrationality" in pattern doesn't make a difference for me. That's what i do, especially D1. | ||
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On November 26 2020 07:22 Hapahauli wrote: Can you elaborate? I get that Slam posted an answer to your question, and then posted: ...but that doesn't mean that he assumed grack flipped town. He said he was surprised and thought he would flip town. I dont care if he answered me or not before he posted that. When a lynch happens, especially one that you're strongly against (or for), or look like you are, the first thing a townie does is go look at the flip and what it is (if you are not already F5'ing all the time). Then you start posting whatever you start posting after you see new information (unless youre mafia ofc, because you already knoew if it is a mafia flip or not). What Slam did didn't look like that for me. | ||
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When i asked you about your scumreads on Hapa and Trfel, why did you decide to answer me before looking at the flip? I mean like, if Grack had flipped mafia you should have said "i am dumb fuck me" and that is a reasonable answer. | ||
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On November 26 2020 07:32 Hapahauli wrote: I have a hard time with reads that attribute a "normal thought process" to Slam tbh. I dont think there is "normal thought process". I mean like i often times think this when i am town, i could probably make a case on anyone in this game if i was mafia, and i could make it look like "normal thought process" and probably out-argue pretty much everyone. That's also why i get annoyed about people thinking i am mafia because i am staying more calm. It's like... wtf... Noone can actually even read me properly i think, aside from maybe marv. | ||
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On November 26 2020 00:34 Trfel wrote: I am okay with being mayor, I'm okay with not being mayor. Whatever works best. Regardless, I think the lynch should be between (in no particular order) Jockmcplop, ShoCkeyy, Fecalfeast, Tictock, and Grackaroni. I'll try and focus on these people. Maybe less inclined to kill Jockmcplop? As his answer earlier is what I was hoping to hear, and I'm interested to see what he does with more time to play. To filter diving. I'll likely be around for a while. What is this answer youre talking about here? | ||
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On November 26 2020 08:14 Alakaslam wrote: My point. Literally everything. Stop getting hung up on stupid timings of posts. You are literally assuming a false thing, so I can’t answer you. I obviously read the flip first. I didn’t expect 3p this game since it was full size. You asked a question; that was more important than my reactive remarks about the flip. Grack did not play like scum. Well, I wasn’t exactly wrong, but Hapa was also right as Grack was still anti town. So you think Hapa is town and not that Hapa and Trfel are mafia anymore? | ||
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If Hapa is mafia all he knows as a fact is that Grackaroni is not mafia. I tend to think third parties play moreso as if they were town than not. Because they can genuinely scumhunt. I dont think anyone deserves ANY credit for Grack flipping 3p because as mafia it doesnt really make a difference for you if they are 3p or town, play-wise. | ||
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On November 26 2020 08:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: How is Hapa "spot on" to be exact? If Hapa is mafia all he knows as a fact is that Grackaroni is not mafia. I tend to think third parties play moreso as if they were town than not. Because they can genuinely scumhunt. I dont think anyone deserves ANY credit for Grack flipping 3p because as mafia it doesnt really make a difference for you if they are 3p or town, play-wise. Basically Grack flipping the worst fucking role for the town ever was just a coincidence. Also how can you be right and Hapa be right at the same time if you are both same alignment and thought completely opposite things?!?!?!? | ||
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My point is this: Prior to Grackaroni's flip you seemed to think that Hapa and Trfel are mafia because they are sitting in a corner trying to push something. After Grackaroni flips you seem to have changed your opinion on that (at least) Hapa isn't mafia for that anymore. That doesn't make much sense to me because if we assume Hapa is mafia then he doesn't know if Grackaroni is town or 3p, he only knows that Grackaroni is not mafia. I dont understand why Grackaroni flipping NOT mafia would give any town credit to Hapa (or anyone else in itself)? Because it does not make any sense. As to my original argument i still don't see any reason to change my view on that i think it is plausible you knew Grackaroni is not mafia before the flip. That's because of how you reacted to other people when i changed my lynch preference, and how you did NOT react to TT's posting at the time. It looks very bad to me tbh. Also coupled with the fact that -- where this argument went to -- you are simultaneously... idk like ... uhh.. trying to give Hapa credit for pointing out grack as not town and then also saying you were right on that grack was not mafia. It feels really weird for me, if you really think hapa can somehow discern 3p from town D1 then why should YOU be happy for being "right"? Shouldnt you be able to do that aswell if you were to get any credit? It seems like you are treating one and only one -- same situation one way for one person and the other way for another person. | ||
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On November 26 2020 08:14 Alakaslam wrote: Grack did not play like scum. Well, I wasn’t exactly wrong, but Hapa was also right as Grack was still anti town. This, i dont get this. At all. | ||
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In my world you saying "i was not quite wrong" and "hapa was right", one of the things is wrong. If you dont get why i think this, maybe someone who speaks better english and is smart can explain it in english... Now i have to go to bed, so good night. | ||
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On November 27 2020 06:11 Hapahauli wrote: Mechanically speaking, a VT. It would mean that in the remainder of the town, there would be 1-2 blue claims (given the 2 scum + evil mastermind, there is likely another town blue floating around to give the town a chance), in addition to 1 confirmed bodyguard claim. Pretty hard for scum to overcome. what? | ||
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On November 27 2020 06:06 Fecalfeast wrote: I think it's better for you to be a blue role because of the bodyguard mechanic. I like this answer a lot more tbh. | ||
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On November 26 2020 15:39 Fecalfeast wrote: Then jock's filter. His opening question to tictock sets the tone, jock asks a lot of questions, throws some shade here and there and talks about mechanics. Played a little clerical work tallying mayor preferences too. Can you talk to me about this more? What are the posts from jock that make you think this? | ||
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On November 27 2020 06:37 Fecalfeast wrote: Do you have a series of posts to point to that'll help me on vivax? Hapa's case. | ||
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About this: On November 27 2020 07:48 Fecalfeast wrote: One of his first posts is asking why someone threw shade when all they did was say they'd shoot me Shade at hapa that honestly jumped out at me more last night than it does now but I don't believe he followed up on this line of thought Going into the details of who he'd like to be mayor and saying his best candidate is slam just because slam "knows what's happening" which when trying to make the mayorship into your sole purpose seems pretty lackluster. Then basically he posts who the mayor preferences are, says rayn is a good pick then disappears well before deadline. Truly not the most solid ground to stand this scumread on but until I get back to my computer it's what I have I believe 2/3 of this case on jock happened before FF posted a town read on him. I can understand people changing their mind but i dont really believe people change their mind completely based on the same evidence they had before, and i dont really see this being a case of "X promised something and then didn't deliver", which would be appropriate explanation in my opinion. So do you want to explain this FF, why does same stuff make jock town and mafia? | ||
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On November 27 2020 07:43 Trfel wrote: Nice job Hapahauli What is this about? | ||
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On November 27 2020 14:08 Tictock wrote: It occurs to me that I have basically poe'd myself down to Jock/Sho Why not FF? | ||
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On November 28 2020 03:05 Trfel wrote: This was about Hapahauli claiming the roleblock. Okay so why was it "nice job"? | ||
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On November 27 2020 22:00 Vivax wrote: This for example is a mafia post. Tries to look helpful doing a mayor votecount, and doesn't take into consideration what he previously said he thought about Grack. Regardless of who Grack wanted to lynch. Jock previously said that he wouldn't vote for him because of the low motivation to be mayor, and I don't think that changed at all approaching the lynch. There is a span of two hours between these two posts from jock. Did you check what grack did during that time? If nothing that should make jock change his mind then i think this is actually a valid point. | ||
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I still dont think jock is mafia. Some of the points against him are just plain out terrible and dont even make anyone mafia, and i can clearly see why jock has (or rather would) done those things as town. Some of the points are so so... It is true that he has done those things (like Viva too) but i am just very unsure here that jock doing thoses things would make him mafia. I still am interested in his answers to the accusations against him. I however think FecalFeast is most likely mafia here. Short version is that during N1 there were two cases that rose, jock and vivax. I get the impression that FF doesnt even know what the cases are and just decided to pick one of those two to push without much thinking. There are things that support that point: - He doesnt even know what the case against Vivax is. I understand choosing from 2 "lynch targets" but he hasnt even read the case against Vivax - His points on jock mostly happened at the time he townread jock. I dont know how that makes sense because apparently he doesnt even share the same opinion that jock's "irrationality" during slam campaign is suspicious (as it's not in his case). He has never talked about it either so i believe he hasnt even read it. Or if he has read it why hasn't he commented on it, even with "i agree" or "i dont think that makes jock mafia", after all jock is his top scumread it seems? For those things i think FF is mafia. I can elaborate further in case someone thinks i am being unclear here, but that's not gonna happen befor e my second shift ends (in 9 hours). ##unvote Vivax ##vote Fecalfeast | ||
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On November 27 2020 08:39 Trfel wrote: Voted for Jockmcplop for now anyway, as I'm much more confident in him being mafia. Probably okay with consolidating on Vivax if needed On November 28 2020 07:37 Trfel wrote: I wouldn't be too sad if Fecalfeast is lynched On November 28 2020 09:13 Trfel wrote: Noooo, talk to me..... @ShoCkeyy, why are you changing votes (assuming you are)? I know you said you can see both Jockmcplop and Vivax as mafia, but it's hard for me to see you actually caring about who gets lynched, you just seem to be willing to vote for whoever thread sentiment is against. On one hand it's good to be willing to consolidate in a majority lynch game, on the other hand it seems suspect to not even care... There is this dude who just did that. Trfel. Then there is this dude who openly claimed to basically doing that. Well unfortunately it doesn't make him mafia, maybe it could make shockeyy mafia instead?? the plot thickens! | ||
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On November 28 2020 14:59 Tictock wrote: This is a very mafia!Rayn post. Hasn't shared much of a reason to backup his recent Trfel scum read, moved from Vivax to FF with little reason (also splitting the votes further on a majority lynch) also the Vivax stuff kinda just evaporated. Even said D1 he doesnt have the clearest scum reads. I think this day phase has been the one of the most unproductive phases i have ever seen. People have just been +1'ing their own shit and never read anything other people have said. Tomorrow (today), when i wake up i am going to spend the day i have telling why i think Jock is not mafia. It's up to you to believe it or not, and i dont even care if he comes back or not because in case he is actually mafia it's a fucking shitty thing to do to not play the game at any level. I do not think i moved to FF with little reason. I found Vivax's post on Hapa's case pleasing for me. For that i dont think you can call me mafia in itself since i dont think there has been anyone since who has said/proved Vivax's answer is bullshit. In fact, everyone who has said their piece on that has had the same conclusion than i did. I already had suspicion on FF before though. Even if Vivax is/was mafia, i have been thinking there is another mafia out there since everyone and their mom thinks Jock is mafia and i dont. There is nothing wrong in me trying to figure out Vivax's mafia partner in the first place. I had my eye on FF on D1 and after N1 i became more sure he is mafia. I dont think his Jock scumread holds water. I dont think it's a legit read. I already made a post about it. If you disagree with it then you do but that's what i think. It also looked to me that he picked a target then started finding reasons to why they are mafia. Look at this post: On November 27 2020 07:48 Fecalfeast wrote: One of his first posts is asking why someone threw shade when all they did was say they'd shoot me Shade at hapa that honestly jumped out at me more last night than it does now but I don't believe he followed up on this line of thought Going into the details of who he'd like to be mayor and saying his best candidate is slam just because slam "knows what's happening" which when trying to make the mayorship into your sole purpose seems pretty lackluster. Then basically he posts who the mayor preferences are, says rayn is a good pick then disappears well before deadline. Truly not the most solid ground to stand this scumread on but until I get back to my computer it's what I have In the first two quotes (1) FF is painting Jock to ask for why does someone throw shame on someone else when they are just asking a question, into (2) jock is throwing shame by just asking a question. I mean like even i understand what jock's question for me was about and it is actually smart (if i was dumb mafia). If you cannot grasp it, then i am sorry you will probably continue on your path and shit the bed anyways.... The last quote is pretty weird because it seems like FF is scumreading Jock for the complete opposite reasons than majority of other people are. Never does he ever question any of that, it's like... do you think he is even reading the game?My point on FF was that: Short version is that during N1 there were two cases that rose, jock and vivax. I get the impression that FF doesnt even know what the cases are and just decided to pick one of those two to push without much thinking. His answer is: On November 28 2020 05:49 Fecalfeast wrote: What if the bolded is true but I'm still not mafia? Why do you guys let this happen? That is a scumclaim. Noone does this no matter how ignorant or what the fuck ever they are as town. And then everyone tells me "no i dont buy your case". Like what the fuck is wrong with everyone in this game, that's the closest to SCUMCLAIM you can have!!!! Jesus fuck. FF just said he doesnt read, he doesnt care, he is just gonna pick a case from lynch targets and go with it. Zero individual thinking (you know that's what this game is about and what that means -- especially since some dumbass told people FF is town because "he doesnt care about survival"?). Use your brain pls. I actually went to look for Vivax' games, i started with two of the latest that actually back his post towards Hapa. But they are a dumb setup games so i dont put much weigh on them. Then i got to this game. I started reading Vivax's filter and he had an argument with FF and i opened FF's filter. That was it, no more needed. See for yourself, and then think if this post holds any water: On November 28 2020 07:19 Trfel wrote: But if I am understanding it correctly, he's basically saying that you (FF) aren't actually reading the game and are deciding your scumreads at random, and most of the reasons are proofs of this. Unfortunately I don't think that makes you mafia which is disappointing to say.Furthermore: On November 28 2020 10:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is this dude who just did that. Trfel. Then there is this dude who openly claimed to basically doing that. Well unfortunately it doesn't make him mafia, maybe it could make shockeyy mafia instead?? the plot thickens! I think people in mafia games play as they preach. I you think wall of text's are useless bullshit and noone ever reads them, then you dont write a WoT (hapa knows what i am talking about here lol). Trfel does the same thing he is basically accusing shockeyy for. Not to mention there is no problem for Trfel when FF does that, fucking openly... :D For FF this scummy thing is "just an everyday town behavior" (which it even isn't), for himself it's okay, but maybe shockeyy is mafia for that??? It does not make any sense and i am not gonna buy he does that as town. No. So, yea this post is bullshit as I don't believe Rayn has this strong of a scum read on anyone this game. Seems like an excuse. So yea, my posts are not bullshit, and i think it's bullshit to claim i cannot have a strong scumread at this point of the game so you do what you do i am gonna solve this game regardless of you fuckers wanna listen to me or not. Peace. | ||
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On November 28 2020 16:09 Tictock wrote: This is the reason why people dislike playing with you rayn Then why dont they ask me? Jock thinks at this point that i am being too "soft" for hapa. I said i think hapa might be scum, he asks if it's a scumread or not and i answer. He doesnt push it further because my answer is okay for him. Had i said "no not really do i think it looks bad for hapa" then he had called me mafia. That's that. | ||
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On November 28 2020 16:12 Tictock wrote: That post by FF is not a scumclaim Rayn. Fuck off with your ego when you just assume random shit. Why could that post not come from a town!FF? It is closest to a mafia post this game will ever get lol even if he is not mafia | ||
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On November 25 2020 23:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am atually starting to think shockeyy is town too. His disapproval about Gracks campaign and the "opposition" sounds like fucking convoluted way to make a read in case he is mafia, let alone if he was mafia with Grack (as hapa seems to be suggesting lol). Also shockeyy did that oncee before too, where he thought i must be mafia because i had some rolename he thought has to be mafia. | ||
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On November 26 2020 04:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: FF. Definitely not jock. I can put a collection of his dumb posts when i get home, it always happens when he is mafia and 90% of the time it happens D1, here it has not happened. I mean like he says something absolutely retarded. | ||
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On November 28 2020 16:28 Tictock wrote: Whatever Rayn I dont get it, it is all there in the thread? What am i doing wrong THIS time? | ||
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On November 28 2020 16:42 Tictock wrote: That means nothing to me, sorry. That is on the level of "he only posts this seal as town" Sure, maybe it is true. But there is absolutely no reason why it can't be wrong. Right. I dont think any of your cases hold water. Because i think i know Jock, and i think you guys assume he is more experienced player than he is. But i am not gonna speak for him, unless something is really bs, like FF's points on him are. | ||
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Trfel wants to lynch jock. He was also okay with lynching Vivax and didnt really care if FF dies. There has to be at least one town there. Unless you want to believe there is 3 mafia. Do you think Trfel ever actually tried to discern which is the push that is incorrect? | ||
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On November 28 2020 17:01 Tictock wrote: I also think that when people change their thinking or are reacting to an immediate situation they often behave in ways that contradict what they say Of course, i think people in this game (you too -- actually towards me) have been using this as a scapegoat to call someone mafia. That's why i asked you if it bothers you that you call me mafia for having reads and other people call me mafia for NOT having reads. It just doesnt mean anything lol ^^ | ||
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I know that's fine, but there comes in the live as you preach. shockeyy somehow is not allowed to consolidate, or at least it is questionable. I find it weird from someone who would root for rayn in case i switched my vote now (100% sure ).I dont think mayor shit is comparable. I kinda wish i executed FF instead of Grack even if it was worse for town because i think i would have more say with lynching mafia. Now i feel useless and i think i have done most of what i can to not lynch town. :/ This is definitely different than mayoral lynch if that's what you are talking about. | ||
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On November 29 2020 04:08 Hapahauli wrote: Brief skim. Vivax's attitudes towards wanting to get lurkers before active players generally makes sense. I think his recent posting is much better. I've discussed some of my thoughts on Jocks filter previously. He hasn't posted, and that makes him as good of a lynch as any... even if the lack of resistance bothers me. Frankly, I'm pretty lost this game. I should have more time to play after the holiday weekend ends if I am alive. Hopefully getting rid of an inactive player will help thin the weeds or flip a red. I think this is a very weak post regardless of how brief the skim was. | ||
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But youre kinda right, i feel like it's especially useless talking with you atm since i am quite confident you are mafia with FF and even if you are town you either stick to whatever you believe anyways, or say youre gonna look at something and then in fact straight out do nothing about it. | ||
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On November 29 2020 15:17 Trfel wrote: If I wasn't in the game, who would be mafia with Fecalfeast? I'll go remind myself why you are scumreading Fecalfeast so strongly. I think the question is really idiotic since you're wanting me to do something i don't believe in. Even if youre town how can you possibly get a "reliable" answer since i already know i can't give you one as don't really think it is true? I can say though that the only people i am very confident being town atm are TT and shockeyy. I am not too fond of going into reasons for it in detail now, but it basically has to do with my + TT talk yesterday and him acting during eod1. For shockeyy it's just several things he has said during the game i would not expect him to say as mafia, like ever. Ironically that appears to be FF's scumlist from the not-good-cases-against-jock list. I think Vivax looks fairly town from D2 too. Hapa is kinda sketchy, especially his post before deadline. As i said i find it very weak especially for hapa. I am not too interested in him atm though, since he either claims rb or is shot. I dont really believe one third of the townies (originally) are blue so hapa situation will resolve itself tomorrow anyways most likely. | ||
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On November 30 2020 05:37 Trfel wrote: Sorry. Can I ask why? Unless it is better for you to answer later. Mafia already knows everything anyway. Because if you dont claim roleblock mafia!hapa might. that's 100% at least for you. | ||
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I find you slightly more likely to be town since you claimed the roleblock immediately (making it less likely hapa is town for what you said before about mafia not killing him and not roleblocking him). I also dont know why mafia knows your role, why would they know it? So whatever assumed mafia!Hapa claims is less likely to be legit at least from my pov in case he does it first. | ||
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On November 27 2020 08:55 Trfel wrote: Does this feel weird to anyone else? Tictock was scumreading Fecalfeast and townreading Grackaroni. On one hand, I could see Tictock trying to word his argument in a way that's persuasive to me, but on the other hand, shouldn't he be restating his reasons to scumread Fecalfeast and townread Grackaroni? And this, which Tictock threw in 11 minutes to end of day. If he didn't want Grackaroni to die (by the way, he just said a few posts previously that he was okay with Grackaroni dying), shouldn't he prefer killing Fecalfeast to ShoCkeyy? Given that he actually has reasons to suspect Fecalfeast and ShoCkeyy is just a lurker? Why did you back off from this one? | ||
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On November 30 2020 06:24 Trfel wrote: I don't think so? I had some questions for him yesterday that I'd still like him to answer. He's been kinda in the null/slightly town area. I like his play, he was suspicious of Hapahauli yesterday without ever seeming to doubt the blue claim so that seems a bit suspect, knowing that Hapahauli is mafia. Otherwise, pending his answers to my questions, I don't really think he is mafia. You realise that i dont know if Hapa is mafia so this doesnt mean much to me. On November 30 2020 06:25 Trfel wrote: I never backed off. This wasn't a scumread, this was an "I'm looking into you." He just never answered Shouldn't a no-answer ring some bells? | ||
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On November 30 2020 06:32 Trfel wrote: Yeah, I get that. You just asked me what my read was though :/ Which at this point does involve associations. I assumed we would be lynching between me and Hapahauli today, but I suppose it doesn't have to be that way. In fact, actually, it makes sense to not do it that way. So we probably should lynch between Tictock and Vivax today. Actually i asked what your read on TT was, not what it was on Hapa. | ||
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You are at Hapa being mafia, i dont know why you read TT as town, and Hapa your top scum read made a big case on Vivax D2. So Hapa + Vivax why? | ||
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On November 30 2020 06:51 Trfel wrote: I think right now I'd prefer lynching Tictock due to the Hapahauli and Vivax read changes. But other than that, Tictock feels like town to me. It's close. Okay i missed this. Disregard my last question. | ||
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On November 30 2020 06:32 Trfel wrote: I assumed we would be lynching between me and Hapahauli today, but I suppose it doesn't have to be that way. In fact, actually, it makes sense to not do it that way. So we probably should lynch between Tictock and Vivax today. If you know -- as you seem to know, that hapa is at least almost 100% mafia, why do you prefer this? | ||
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On November 30 2020 07:02 Trfel wrote: Once Hapahauli claims his role I can claim mine and then it'll be easier to discuss together. yes, as quickly as possible please. | ||
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On November 30 2020 08:14 Trfel wrote: Regardless of Hapahauli's alignment, mafia knows there is a jailkeeper because Hapahauli claimed roleblock (town roleblocker is not a possible role). If Hapahauli is town, assuming mafia didn't roleblock him (very likely), then his roleblock claim indicates to them that there is a jailkeeper who did. If Hapahauli is mafia, which is my current belief, then he got roleblocked and thus knows there is a town jailkeeper. why does mafia always know there is a jailkeeper?can you explain it to me as i am dumb and 5y? | ||
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On November 30 2020 07:59 Hapahauli wrote: Ooooh interesting. I am a Mad Hatter. My intent in playing as I did (not running for mayor) was to have a chance of using my role. I targeted Vivax N1 (roleblocked) on the basis of my scumread. I targeted Shockeyy N2, in that if I was killed, I would rather leave town in a position where they had to worry about one less lurker. Plus, if I take someone down with me (even if my read is incorrect), it's still LYLO as opposed to MYLO. Explain this | ||
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On November 30 2020 07:59 Hapahauli wrote: Ooooh interesting. I am a Mad Hatter. My intent in playing as I did (not running for mayor) was to have a chance of using my role. I targeted Vivax N1 (roleblocked) on the basis of my scumread. I targeted Shockeyy N2, in that if I was killed, I would rather leave town in a position where they had to worry about one less lurker. Plus, if I take someone down with me (even if my read is incorrect), it's still LYLO as opposed to MYLO. I do not think Trfel's claim necessarily makes him mafia. I'm also not sure why someone else being roleblocked tonight would confirm "one of me or Trfel" as mafia. More thoughts when I'm home tonight. On November 24 2020 09:38 Hapahauli wrote: oh baby yeah give it to me more and baby you will have it this time! | ||
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On November 30 2020 07:59 Hapahauli wrote: I targeted Shockeyy N2, in that if I was killed, I would rather leave town in a position where they had to worry about one less lurker. | ||
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On November 30 2020 08:35 Hapahauli wrote: Because if this exact scenario. A "normally" balanced Mini is usually 3 mislynches = loss. With the "evil mastermind" in the setup, 2 mislynches = loss. Town needs a fuckton of help in this seutp. i think 2 blues and a confirmed town in bg is already enough. Now why am i mafia? | ||
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On November 30 2020 08:40 Hapahauli wrote: In my mind, it's you, TT, or Vivax. Of the three, I am probably the most confident in Vivax being mafia. I have to sit down and read you and TT, and I will likely not have thoughts until a very deep readthrough. A readthrough that I won't do right this second, because talking with you and Trfel is the priority. But you said it's me and Vivax most likely? Like i know you prolly have vivax as your top scum but hah.... | ||
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On November 30 2020 08:41 Hapahauli wrote: Thing is, you are forgetting about the Evil Mastermind, and how much that fucks town if a blue is recruited. MY POINT EXACTLY; WHY YOU CLAIM STINKKKKKKKKKKKKKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! | ||
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On November 30 2020 08:48 Hapahauli wrote: And I know you aren't stupid enough not to pick up on that. huh?where was your claim? | ||
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On November 30 2020 08:50 Hapahauli wrote: In that whole post, I'm saying that running for mayor is good with CPR Doc, JK, and Investigative role. So if I'm not running for mayor, that leaves two things: Mad Hatter or Vigi. Okay, but at that point you didnt claim blue. So what makes you think i should believe i should think something like this when i dont have the info you do? | ||
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On November 30 2020 08:53 Hapahauli wrote: And running for mayor is pretty insane with vigi, since I could shoot someone and instantly confirm the mayor role as town. Mad Hatter is the only damn role in the game that I wouldn't run for mayor, because I basically can't use the fucking role if I'm mayor. you shopuld be running for mayor every time ever in my opinion so sorry that does not convince me. | ||
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On November 30 2020 09:01 Hapahauli wrote: This is one of the things that actually points to mafia-Rayn as opposed to town-Rayn, because I find it very unlikely that he didn't speculate about my role and which role in the setup would make sense if I didn't want to run for mayor. this is so much bullshit hapa.. | ||
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On November 30 2020 09:10 Hapahauli wrote: I think it was very easily deduced from my posting about what blue role I was. As for why I wasn't killed, two plausible reasons: 1) I basically afk'd for 3 days. 2) Why would you shoot the Mad Hatter if you believe he is likely to deliver KP on mafia (i.e. Vivax)? 1) doesnt mean anything 2) but you would not kill vivax since you were you know rb N1? | ||
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On November 30 2020 09:10 Hapahauli wrote: 2) Why would you shoot the Mad Hatter if you believe he is likely to deliver KP on mafia (i.e. Vivax)? On November 30 2020 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: 2) but you would not kill vivax since you were you know rb N1? | ||
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On November 30 2020 09:10 Hapahauli wrote: I think it was very easily deduced from my posting about what blue role I was. As for why I wasn't killed, two plausible reasons: 1) I basically afk'd for 3 days. 2) Why would you shoot the Mad Hatter if you believe he is likely to deliver KP on mafia (i.e. Vivax)? Literally, whywould youbelieve you have a bomb on someone if you were rb'd N1? | ||
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On November 30 2020 09:30 Tictock wrote: Right, even if as Hapa says that mafia figured he was a Hatter then they would know he hasn't placed any bombs so why not kill the unCC'd blue. I assumed you were responding to my post. Hapa was roleblocked N1 as per his words. N2 he did shockeyy D3 he claims that "why would you shoot the Mad Hatter if you believe he is likely to deliver KP on mafia (i.e. Vivax)?" But he was roleblocked and he knows it right? There is no kill on vivax ever because the bomb is not there and he knows it. | ||
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On November 30 2020 09:37 Hapahauli wrote: You are making way too many assumptions into what I am saying. I didn't believe that I had a "bomb" on Vivax. Nowhere do I state that, beyond saying that I targeted him on N1 and was roleblocked. If mafia chooses not to roleblock me on N2, they are not going to shoot me, because from their perspective, I am still fairly likely (given my filter) to bomb Vivax, who I believe is mafia. I ma not making assuptions i am just reading your filter ansd posts. | ||
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On November 30 2020 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Literally, whywould youbelieve you have a bomb on someone if you were rb'd N1? Explain this then Hapa? | ||
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On November 30 2020 09:42 Hapahauli wrote: You are misreading my post. I do not believe I had any chance of killing Vivax on N1. I'm saying that if you look at my filter objectively from the start of N2, who is my likely target for a bomb? I believe it is Vivax. no but you are saying this now: Why would you shoot the Mad Hatter if you believe he is likely to deliver KP on mafia (i.e. Vivax) As a thing why mafia wouldnt shoot you N2. And it makes no sense. | ||
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On November 30 2020 09:46 Tictock wrote: And if you are going to say, well mafia didn't RB me D1 it was Trfel Then who did the RB on Trfel? Trfel is pretty much confirmed town here.. | ||
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On November 30 2020 09:46 Hapahauli wrote: I believe mafia had two reasonable plays: 1) They can RB/Kill me if they think I am difficult to lynch in MYLO; 2) If they think I'm not a "dangerous" blue role, they can try to snipe the bodyguard or another blue role. Mafia know that I was JK'd N1. Would they risk shooting me knowing that I am a target for protection? I think not, but you be the judge. Do you think mafia has no rb? | ||
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On November 30 2020 09:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: no but you are saying this now: Why would you shoot the Mad Hatter if you believe he is likely to deliver KP on mafia (i.e. Vivax) As a thing why mafia wouldnt shoot you N2. And it makes no sense. | ||
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2) It was confirmed that I was JK'd Night 1. why? A mafia team (that doesn't include me) may feel very skittish about shooting into a target that was confirmed "saved" on N1, especially since the consequence of missing the shot means that town gets an extra mislynch. THIS IS PROBABLY WHY SHOCKEYY WAS SHOT, because there is no chance of him being saved. 3) If Vivax is mafia and mafia believes I'm a Mad Hatter, it's risky, since I spend a good majority of my filter attacking Vivax. Okay, so why does a team of me and Vivax shoot shockeyy? 3) Why is it risky? I mean to shoot you or whatever if you were JK'd N1? I dont get it, mafia doesnt know if you were jailed N1 or not but they still do the opposite they should regarding to you? | ||
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On November 30 2020 10:16 Hapahauli wrote: What the fuck are you smoking or actually talking about? Jock NK? The fuck? Where is iamperfection when I need him? I thought jock made the kill on slam at first. | ||
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On November 30 2020 10:18 Hapahauli wrote: WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING? nothing much. i could use iamp aswell here, at least he can tell if i am mafia or not. | ||
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On November 30 2020 10:22 Hapahauli wrote: Look. We're not doing this stupid "binary lynch" stuff. There is enough of a chance that we're TvT that I'm not going down that road. I'm here, willing and able to talk. We can have a productive conversation, but please, please consolidate your thoughts. This will not be productive if I'm answering a string of random one-lined thoughts and questions. I agree with this, then dont fuck with me please nad provide fair points instead of bs. | ||
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On November 30 2020 10:26 Hapahauli wrote: And again as previously stated, the Shockeyy shot makes the most sense if mafia is trying to make a shot to dodge protection at all costs. Explain | ||
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On November 30 2020 10:27 Hapahauli wrote: I am not fucking with you. I am here, honestly answering questions. However, I cannot answer questions cleanly and coherently this rapid-fire and disjointed format. One, consolidated post. Please. Dont worry you play as i do and if you are town the playstyle is gonna be okay. | ||
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On November 30 2020 10:28 Tictock wrote: Like I know you are down to a pool of Rayn/Vivax/Myself, assuming I read ok So I suppose I would have to accept a Rayn/Vivax world I am interested in how you got to this? | ||
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On November 30 2020 10:30 Tictock wrote: I will stop posting for a bit but will be back later. not allowed before you answer me | ||
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I know people who wouldnt "snipe" shockeyy or even slam, so,,,, I am okay for tomorrow, i am gonna get this shit sorted out. | ||
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On November 30 2020 11:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: So am i mafia or not? Hapa. | ||
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On November 29 2020 15:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: i feel like it's especially useless talking with you atm since even if you are town you either stick to whatever you believe anyways, or say youre gonna look at something and then in fact straight out do nothing about it. | ||
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On December 01 2020 13:19 Hapahauli wrote: Sigh. Let me start by saying this: Hapa is saying we should definitely lynch into TT/Vivax because if we hit mafia there the game is practically solved. This is obviously smart from mafia perspective because he then isnt lynched and town can still make the wrong decision with TT/Vivax. From town perspective though; Lets say we lynch Vivax and he flips mafia. Trfel jails Hapa (or whoever) and the NK goes through. How is the game solved? | ||
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Speaking of reasoning FF pointed out a decent point about your reasoning on Jock, and apparently at least brieflyyou were reading TT own just because he read my filter???? Ehich btw isnt a clusterfuck. Gaining trust from a townie? Making a read on scumbuddy? I dont know and i dont really have to know today. | ||
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On December 01 2020 14:26 Tictock wrote: Mechanically it would mean one of You or Me is mafia. Yeah so hows the game solved? | ||
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On December 01 2020 14:23 Trfel wrote: Did Hapahauli ever say this? I thought he was advocating lynching Tictock or Vivax because he thinks they are mafia and he is town (presumably) so that would be a superior lynch? He doesnt outright say it but implies it over and over again by trfel's jail and in his discussion with TT. Like he says we lynch vivax and trfel jails him and if he is mafia it's gg. But it doesnt even come to it if vivax is NOT mafia. Again, flawed reasoning to make tou look elsewhere other than him. | ||
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On December 01 2020 14:34 Tictock wrote: Humm, is this so crazy? It suppose it could explain some things. True colors coming out? | ||
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On December 01 2020 14:51 Trfel wrote: @raynpelikoneet, you are referring to this discussion, right? I don't think Hapahauli was trying to argue that we should kill between Vivax/Tictock first instead of him because it's somehow superior. Rather, the point Hapahauli is trying to make here is that Tictock is suspicious because by his own logic, he should be fine lynching Vivax. Hapahauli was trying to see if Tictock would go along with that and vote for Vivax, or if he would hesitate. I read it as more of an experiment. Like I get that he could do this as mafia. It's mafia motivated to move votes off of oneself. But why wouldn't Hapahauli do this as town? If you're referring to a different discussion, the above is all moot. In that case if you could please point me to it? Because I (quickly) read the thread from Hapahauli's claim until this point and didn't find what you are referring to. Yes i understand towards TT it can be this. Towards you though it doesnt follow the same logic. If his experiment went well and TT came off as scummy why is he not voting for TT then? I know TT is voting for Vivax here but still, he was very hesitant at first. | ||
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On December 01 2020 15:02 Tictock wrote: Yea but then Rayn fell into the same trap that had me pushing Hapa so much for. Which ironically was the same thing he is scum reading me for... But I did was doing the experiment first! All of which revolves around people not wanting to kill Vivax, thus WE KILL VIVAX! This is literally fucking bullshit. | ||
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On December 01 2020 08:56 Hapahauli wrote: @ TT The offer stands. If I were to get Trfel to endorse this plan, will you vote Vivax? Yes or no. | ||
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Doesnt want to be mayor just because he [i]doent want responsibility and hecause he cannot then use his role, while trying to convince me into lynching grack for "i have historically very good accuracy of hitting mafia D1"? Why doesnt he think he will get shot N1 anyways? Reads jock mafia for his posting well enouugh to put him as very clear scumread D2 just to later on end up saying jock is mafia because he doesnt remember anything jock has posted? Briefly as it was, reads TT town simply just for reading rayn's filter. In MYLO??? As claimed blue doesnt get shot or roleblocked N2 over shockeyy? Uses ate in "i understand you can want to lynch me for three blues being too much". Now thats simply bullshit and noone should vote hapa for that, why doesnt he say so? Because of ate, it's better if peoplerealise itthemselves. Still, why is he allowing people to scumread him for utterly shit reasons if he is town?[/b] | ||
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Now you said earlier that you cannot be mafia with anyone in the game. Why can't you be mafia with: - me - vivax - TT ? | ||
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On December 01 2020 21:27 Hapahauli wrote: "Hapa didn't say it, but I'm just going to read into what he said until I think he is scummy". I think i provided explanation to this one. Yes you were talking to TT and from TT's pov the game is solved then yeah, but after that you say "now we just need Trfel on board" and that's where you in my opinion imply that. Sure you're gonna say it's something else as either alignment but that's still what i think. This post here: On December 01 2020 08:56 Hapahauli wrote: @ TT The offer stands. If I were to get Trfel to endorse this plan, will you vote Vivax? Yes or no. | ||
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On December 01 2020 16:57 Trfel wrote: I find it very unlikely that Hapahauli would be mafia with Vivax. That doesn't line up with their play today (double bus with Vivax being lazy) and doesn't line up with Hapahauli's push on Vivax Day 2. So if Hapahauli is mafia, it's with raynpelikoneet or Tictock. If it's raynpelikoneet, they'd be going through a lot of theatrics when they could just get a mislynch and collect the win pretty easily. So I don't really believe that either. Leaves Hapahauli and Tictock. This is a much more believable combination. Yo uare right that's unlike, although i wouldnt count that out completely. I think there has been a game quite recently where Vivax refused to vote a townie over his scumbuddy in a 3-2 situation (that would have won the game for mafia) because he was afraid that someone changes votes and he i caught. I think he eventually won because he hammered a townie over mafia but still. I also dont believe Vivax is lying about the bussing thing here. If he is mafia he certainly could be bussing hapa here. I think i n the game he played well he bussed both of jock and gb pretty much all the game ,town was just too dumb to not lynch either of them in time to figure the game out "quickly enough" and he gained credit for that. So yeah, i would not count Vivax out entirely, although TT is saying some terrible shit here and defini9tely looks much worse at least to me. | ||
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On December 01 2020 22:20 Hapahauli wrote: How good of an actor do you think I am as mafia? How do you perceive my scum play to be? What does that matter? In the mafiascum game i wasn't able to catch you because i let go of your scummy things when you bussed and made some good psots i would expect town!hapa to make. That's the latest news on that front for me. I havent seen you as mafia in ages before that. Now can you answer my question? | ||
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On December 01 2020 16:57 Trfel wrote: I find it very unlikely that Hapahauli would be mafia with Vivax. That doesn't line up with their play today (double bus with Vivax being lazy) and doesn't line up with Hapahauli's push on Vivax Day 2. Also this is another thing. That's the exact reason that would be plausible to start the day with. I also have an opinion on the D2but i am gonna let Hapa answer me first on why he cannot be mafia with anyone. | ||
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On December 01 2020 22:36 Hapahauli wrote: Like one of your "suspicions" this game is that I wouldn't botch a blue claim. Do you realize that I literally just did that in Aperture last game, in which I botched a power role claim by thinking I rolled a 3p? Where did i say this? | ||
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On December 01 2020 22:35 Hapahauli wrote: If you want to ignore that context, and if you want to believe that scum-Hapa is capable of that, then you are scum or you don't know me or anything about my playstyle at all. On December 01 2020 22:37 Hapahauli wrote: The last few games that we have played should tell you that you know jack shit about how I play as mafia or town. ??? | ||
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On December 01 2020 21:16 Hapahauli wrote: What people should understand if they read my filter in context is that it is really unlikely for me to have any scum-buddy this game. Therefore, how the fuck am I mafia? | ||
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On December 01 2020 22:45 Hapahauli wrote: That is the implication of this: You are basically saying that my blue claim doesn't make sense in the context of my play, when it is very easily explained by me posting the first thing that comes to my mind when I play as town. No i am saying that regardless of your affiliation you didnt read that not all roleblocks are notified. I think you'd want to be mayor regardless of your role because you think youre really good and if you hit mafia you'll be killed anyways on N1. | ||
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On December 01 2020 22:35 Hapahauli wrote: My perception of my scum play is that I would not be capable of acting "rage" or "tilt" in the way that I am interacting with you, TT, or Vivax. But that is obviously a self-serving argument, which makes your whole question incredibly stupid for making me make a self-serving argument. Wait this is your answer? Yeah no. | ||
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On December 01 2020 22:47 Hapahauli wrote: I answered you. We are going to play this the opposite way, in which you tell me how I can be mafia with TT or Vivax, and then I tell you how stupid you are. You can be mafia with Vivax since if you are the top suspect here it's beneficial for you two to shit on each other, maybe someone will go "wow there's no way these two are mafia together". You can be mafia with TT since you say Vivax and TT are no different for you but all the time you want to end up on Vivax and not TT. | ||
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On December 01 2020 22:46 Hapahauli wrote: How many times did you tunnel me in our last 3 games? What was my alignment in our last 3 games? My ???? is about that you first say i am either scum or dont know how you play as either alignment and then you say i definitely dont know how you play as either alignment. But you're mad at me because i dont think youre town? Man that's some irrational shit. | ||
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On December 01 2020 22:58 DoYouHas wrote: Hey everybody. This is your friendly reminder to not stray into personal attacks. Thank you. I dont understand. I dont think anyone has done any. If i have done something please PM me. | ||
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On December 01 2020 23:05 Hapahauli wrote: Apparently I need to step away from the thread. Do what you will Rayn. Apparently I cannot interact with you without going on full tilt, so I will not interact with you any further. I am sorry. I think i have been fairly reasonable. | ||
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On December 01 2020 21:08 Hapahauli wrote: (1) I want to use my role. Period. It's town KP. Reads jock mafia for his posting well enouugh to put him as very clear scumread D2 just to later on end up saying jock is mafia because he doesnt remember anything jock has posted? Bullshit and misleading. I state that I didn't remember what Jock said on #532. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/565699-a-mostly-normal-game-of-mafia?page=27#532 This inspires me to case him, which I post after in #591: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/565699-a-mostly-normal-game-of-mafia?page=30#591 Briefly as it was, reads TT town simply just for reading rayn's filter. In MYLO??? Where the fuck did I do this? I slashed out the things i was clearly wrong at. (4) The only "reason" that you and anyone else has to lynch me is for setup speculation and "because I wasn't shot." There are many reasons I'd be alive. For example: Lest I remind the thread that I was gone celebrating the holidays with my family for 3-4 days and wasn't engaged in an entire day of play. (1) I know this is "he said he said", but i think from behavioral point of view it is a legit point. People can either believe i am right or then they can believe i am not right. (2) I think this is a strong point, however i realise hapa isn't getting shot as town on N2 unless mafia is certain of the JK. Hapa + Trfel mafia team doesnt make any fucking sense at all while i think it's technically possible (?). Idk, i would never ever let a claimed blue go unroleblocked even if i knew JK was around to "possibly do that for my team". (3) Yes it happened, and i think it's fairly strong point. Why would anyone as town be willing to let townies vote for them in MYLO because of some bs reason? (4) That's not true. Also since it is apparent mafia knows there is a JK (unless they also had blocked Hapa N1 as well as Trfel), i don't think the last paragraph makes any sense. Even without it it doesn't really make sense that Hapa should be left alive -- i dont really think anyone is even arguing that he is mafia because he is not dead? | ||
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On December 01 2020 19:44 Tictock wrote: How in the hell do you think I am mafia with Hapa after today? Why? Rayn/Hapa makes no sense either with Rayn literally not wanting to lynch anyone by Hapa all day. Why? I am also still waiting for why i am mafia. | ||
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On December 01 2020 00:37 Hapahauli wrote: [/u]On TicTock: The way that TicTock approaches his Vivax read is very scummy. I think it is scummy regardless of Vivax's alignment, but I think it is especially so if Vivax is mafia. The first time that TicTock talks about Vivax is near the end of D1: Clearly, he has some level of suspicion towards Vivax. He immediately follows this up by "changing his mind" on the Vivax read after "reading the thread". What I find curious and scummy about this post is that despite calling Vivax town, he articulates in the same breath a fantastic reason for why Vivax may be mafia regarding Vivax's relative inactivity/passivity. I will also note that there's no "substance" behind his Vivax read. Despite this, he continues attacking cases against vivax: ...he's happy to attack people's reads against Vivax, but again, no substance or rationale to believe that he's town beyond "these cases are bad". He again re-iterates his read on being "confident" regarding Vivax. But again, where is the substance? [uWhy does he read Vivax as mafia? The only serious reading of his filter (see post #2 above) suggests good reasons for Vivax being mafia. Otherwise, TT spends time attacking reasons for why Vivax is mafia rather than providing substance. Literally, read for yourself! And then he cannot be mafia with anyone in the game............... | ||
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Why did he went from that to Vivax + TT while all his case on TT is that Vivax is mafia??????????? On December 01 2020 00:46 Hapahauli wrote: On Rayn: After reading through, I think he's very town. The things that strike out to me are: 1) His willingnness to go down paranoid "rabbit holes" (reads on FF, Slam, etc.) 2) His de-escalation tactics this game, both in the very beginning of the game: ... and in around my botched roleblock thing: I do not at all associate scum Rayn with keeping a discussion focused, especially in the 2nd example. 1) But i was at least retarded in doing those things (if not mafia even??) after he made this post 2) I think he scumread for this, or at least thats the ENTIRE reason he DIDNT townread me earlier (correct if i am wrong). | ||
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On November 26 2020 03:48 Hapahauli wrote: To be clear, I do not trust Rayn enough for him to be Mayor. His new playstyle has a plausible explanation. Don't get me wrong. But I have doubt, and I do not want any doubt about the town mayor. As for my doubt: I can understand how there is less "rage" in his game, and that is not an inherently mafia-oriented thing. But he is not pushing the game forward in the way I would expect him to as town. Rayn is hyper paranoid, stubborn, and a bit of a "steamroller" in his typical town games. His mafia games have some of those traits, but in my experience, they are more toned down. | ||
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On December 02 2020 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: I do not at all associate scum Rayn with keeping a discussion focused, especially in the 2nd example. vs Rayn is hyper paranoid, stubborn, and a bit of a "steamroller" in his typical town games. explain this pls. | ||
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On December 02 2020 01:12 Hapahauli wrote: How cute. He's protecting his ego. Fine then, i am going to choose you just gave up then. | ||
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On December 02 2020 01:12 Hapahauli wrote: How cute. He's protecting his ego. Like seriously. I have presented arguments and lately, instead of attacking (or defending) said arguments you have decided to attack my character. Which btw you think would be exactly like this if i was town. What am i supposed to think? | ||
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On December 01 2020 23:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax why am i mafia with Hapa? I know you said some bussing shit but what in my play makes me mafia? | ||
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On December 02 2020 01:46 Vivax wrote: I think your tunnel on him earlier in the day looked too one-sided when we have to think in pairs. So the only explanation left is that you're trying to milk it. If my theory is correct, then TT is town and reacted exactly like he should to that. Okay why cant you be mafia with hapa? | ||
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On December 02 2020 01:50 Vivax wrote: If you and Hapa are mafia then TT is town and giving you the cred you would have tried to obtain, yes. That is to say, his reaction seems like the reaction I'd expect from a gullible townie. but why TT is town then IF your theory is correct as you say? | ||
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On December 02 2020 01:53 Hapahauli wrote: Scumbuddies 4 lyfe Rayn dont buddy me when you just did unbuddy me | ||
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On December 02 2020 01:55 Vivax wrote: I don't have a crystal orb and can only think in possibilities. What's your point? That I should deal in absolutes and bet my house on you and Hapa being mafia? I'm still open to the possibility that TT is mafia, it's just not the more likely scenario in my opinion. isnt that what you just said? On December 02 2020 01:46 Vivax wrote: I think your tunnel on him earlier in the day looked too one-sided when we have to think in pairs. So the only explanation left is that you're trying to milk it. If my theory is correct, then TT is town and reacted exactly like he should to that. | ||
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On December 02 2020 01:46 Vivax wrote: I think your tunnel on him earlier in the day looked too one-sided when we have to think in pairs. So the only explanation left is that you're trying to milk it. If my theory is correct, then TT is town and reacted exactly like he should to that. On December 02 2020 01:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is your case on TT all about "if Vivax is mafia then..." but you say before that there is no difference between TT and Vivax? | ||
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On December 02 2020 01:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is your case on TT all about "if Vivax is mafia then..." but you say before that there is no difference between TT and Vivax? | ||
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'I do not at all associate scum Rayn with keeping a discussion focused, especially in the 2nd example." and this "Rayn is hyper paranoid, stubborn, and a bit of a "steamroller" in his typical town games." ? | ||
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On December 02 2020 02:18 Hapahauli wrote: Can those statements both be true at the same time? Yes or no? yes | ||
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On December 02 2020 02:22 Hapahauli wrote: What's the question? Why I changed my read on you, or why my meta assessments of you don't seemingly "match"? I changed my read on you. Both of those statements are part of your meta. Statement 2 applies in all of your town games. Statement 1 applies in some of your town games, but I believe it rarely, if ever manifests itself in your scumgames. This is the question: You scumread me early on in the game for: Doing 1, but 'I do not at all associate scum Rayn with keeping a discussion focused'? | ||
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On November 28 2020 04:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: I however think FecalFeast is most likely mafia here. Short version is that during N1 there were two cases that rose, jock and vivax. I get the impression that FF doesnt even know what the cases are and just decided to pick one of those two to push without much thinking. There are things that support that point: - He doesnt even know what the case against Vivax is. I understand choosing from 2 "lynch targets" but he hasnt even read the case against Vivax - His points on jock mostly happened at the time he townread jock. I dont know how that makes sense because apparently he doesnt even share the same opinion that jock's "irrationality" during slam campaign is suspicious (as it's not in his case). He has never talked about it either so i believe he hasnt even read it. Or if he has read it why hasn't he commented on it, even with "i agree" or "i dont think that makes jock mafia", after all jock is his top scumread it seems? For those things i think FF is mafia. I can elaborate further in case someone thinks i am being unclear here, but that's not gonna happen befor e my second shift ends (in 9 hours). ##unvote Vivax ##vote Fecalfeast | ||
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On December 01 2020 13:51 Hapahauli wrote: Fuck off. I played your rapid fire questioning bullshit last night. It got me nowhere. I’m not going to field more insane questions from you when it’s midnight. If you are town, you’ve played like shit all game. You’ve been convinced that Slam and FF were mafia for stupid reasons, and you still have the arrogance to try and push the same shit on me now. | ||
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On December 02 2020 02:47 Hapahauli wrote: Does it make me mafia if I type an argument in anger? No but you should rather type in why my read is stupid. | ||
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On December 02 2020 02:54 Hapahauli wrote: What's there to elaborate? I was rageposting and spewing shit. There's no rationale to it beyond that. Well is it shit or not and if it is not why did you call mafia team of rayn + vivax before even reading what i wanted to do D2 aside from trying to save the fucking townie that got lynched? | ||
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On December 02 2020 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: My point is that there is a chance that you kept FF as your possible mislynch and therefore did not say anything about my read on him, until it was clear he is town. After that you declared rayns read is shit. Now why was my read shit? This is exactly what there is to elaborate. | ||
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On December 02 2020 02:59 Hapahauli wrote: Save who? Jock? My scumread on D2? While I was away from the game? The fuck? yes i genuinely tried to do that all D2. | ||
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On December 02 2020 03:02 Hapahauli wrote: I do not think you appreciate that from the Beginning of D2 until the start of D3, I spent a total of 3 minutes on this game. I dont care what you spent whenever, i am not dick enough to call you mafia for something you dont know. But you explicitly claimed my cases on slam and ff were shit so lets hear why you think my case on ff was shit. That's what i am asking, and you are continuously dodging the question. | ||
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On December 02 2020 03:03 Hapahauli wrote: I explained it. Because I was pissed at you and attacked you with the first thing that came to my mind. I get angry and do irrational things Rayn. You know that, right? so youdidnt actually even read it? | ||
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On December 02 2020 03:09 Hapahauli wrote: I want an Oscar for my performance with Rayn my dear scumbuddy. how can you call my play shit as fuck regardless of how "pissed off" you are when you havent even read what i have written? | ||
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On December 02 2020 03:11 Hapahauli wrote: You are hung up on some stupid shit that does not make me mafia. The answer is in front of you and you simply don't want to believe it. Fine then put it in simple words. What's the stupid shit i am hung up on and what's the answer. | ||
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On December 02 2020 03:17 Hapahauli wrote: I don't know why it is that hard for anyone to understand a) why someone can be pissed off when they get tunneled by Rayn, and then b) why that would encourage that person to make raging/irrational posts. a) i can understand that, yet b) i dont understand that, i think i have been quite rational. | ||
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On December 02 2020 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: who thinks i have been super unreasonable here against anyone? or is it just because "oh it's rayn so i can just fuck it off by saying he is a dick"? | ||
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On December 02 2020 03:24 Hapahauli wrote: I still don't know why the hell you think Vivax is town Rayn. I really dont lol i just think you are likely to be mafia and you dont want to lynch TT over Vivax. Also TT spread some serious shit last morning. | ||
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On December 02 2020 03:29 Hapahauli wrote: Did you like my softpush? I hope I built enough town-cred. I think I did. i did | ||
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On December 02 2020 03:33 Hapahauli wrote: If TT scummed it up as hard as you say, why did you wait until now to say it? because i wanted you to own up on "no difference on him and vivax". you never did | ||
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On December 02 2020 01:58 Vivax wrote: Semantics. Been there done that, I'll wait for Trfel and Fefe, enjoy your shitposting in the meantime, both of you. Trfel and Fefe please ask vivax about this. I am gonna be sad if i am wrong about hapa. | ||
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On December 02 2020 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Trfel and Fefe please ask vivax about this. I am gonna be sad if i am wrong about hapa. I dont understand thouhg why people wont talk with me? Am i that bad? Maybe i do what i nermally do then and you can all fuck yourselves from now on. | ||
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On December 02 2020 03:54 Trfel wrote: @raynpelikoneet, you're saying that in one post Vivax said he's still open to the possibility of Tictock being mafia, and in another post, he said that the only possible explanation was that you (raynpelikoneet) and Hapahauli are mafia together putting on a show, right? I dont remember if Vivax has said he is open to TT being mafia. | ||
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On December 02 2020 04:06 Trfel wrote: Hm, sorry I don't understand the question for Vivax then. I thought that's what Vivax was saying in the first quote. whre? | ||
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On December 02 2020 04:05 Vivax wrote: What bothers me about TT is that he keeps detailing things that make Hapa mafia, but 1. He's on me and not budging because for someone unknown reason I'm the play here. 2. At some point he sees rayn + Vivax making sense when Hapa reads to me like his main scumread. In theory he'd be open to lynch rayn? Then why say it in a roundabout manner. The thing is, why should scum Hapa vote for him here? Why should scum rayn vote for him here? If TT is mafia, it can be only with me. But I'm not, ergo TT can't be mafia. I have a hunch that lynching TT will mean game over, unless someone is willing to put up with my hipster Hapa + Rayn suggestion. + Show Spoiler + On November 30 2020 19:52 Tictock wrote: Ok, so I was kinda waiting for Vivax to post, but I am leaning far back into Hapa/Vivax being mafia here. I think they bussed each other yesturday and I think I can back this up. I'll go through what I see in their filters but a large part of it is that they both call each other mafia with some conviction but back off those reads in soft ways. A big part of this stems from Hapa not taking a stance on who he thinks is mafia today. Despite several times saying he thinks Vivax is scum, and a big chunk of his arguments as to why Mafia would not kill him RELIES on Vivax being mafia. Hapa did post some reads after his claim, which he even reaffirms later to rayn. In both he says he is down to Rayn/Vivax/Myself but states Vivax is his most confident scum read. Bit of a tangent, but still in order of Hapa's filter, Hapa tells us he did not run for mayor because he wanted to use his role, but he also points out that he made it clear the only role he would not run for mayor with is Hatter. Mind you he feels he outed his role so clearly that Mafia should know that's his role. Anyone else see the irony in this? + Show Spoiler [quotes] + On November 30 2020 08:50 Hapahauli wrote: In that whole post, I'm saying that running for mayor is good with CPR Doc, JK, and Investigative role. So if I'm not running for mayor, that leaves two things: Mad Hatter or Vigi. On November 30 2020 08:53 Hapahauli wrote: And running for mayor is pretty insane with vigi, since I could shoot someone and instantly confirm the mayor role as town. Mad Hatter is the only damn role in the game that I wouldn't run for mayor, because I basically can't use the fucking role if I'm mayor. All this brings me to this Now I do actually find the notion that if mafia know Hapa was Jailed they might not shoot him fearing another jail. However, this was Hapa's first thoughts as to why he would be killed and I think it's really important because of his 2nd point. Again we get the sense that from Hapa's pov Vivax HAS to be mafia. Whats even more interesting? This was Hapa's last post before he claimed Hatter. Put yourself in mafia's shoes, does this make you feel certain that a clearly HatterHapa is bombing Vivax so you shouldn't kill him? No more quotes as this post is big enough but when I asked Hapa what his reads were at the end of the lengthy discussion he claims he has no strong reads and seems to keep wanting to focus on Rayn. Now to me it seems like Hapa clearly thinks Vivax is scum, but he has yet to actually push Vivax or put down a vote on him. Which matches a lot with the way that he backed off his Vivax read (even mildly calling him town) when voting Jock don't you think? This all reads to me like Hapa KNOWS Vivax is mafia, but is reluctant to actually lynch him today if he doesn't have to. On December 01 2020 07:24 Tictock wrote: I need to round our Hapa's post on me, looks like he missed a few of my posts. I made the yolo team here in the game. I think it is relevant to read the next few posts after mine as I interacted with Vivax and explained where that team came from. Hapa choose not to include that post. This post was in response to Hapa's case on Vivax I also find it a bit funny he calls this... attacking Trfel's read. Not caught up yet, and more or less just waking up so might have to grab coffee and food soon. On December 01 2020 08:41 Tictock wrote: He is kinda on the same boat as me. Hapa claimed mafia would not kill him because they might set off his bomb on mafia!Vivax. Rayn was rightfully hounding down that that makes no sense when they knew he didn't have a bomb down and could RB and kill him without any worry. The only mechanical kink in that theory is that mafia knowing you are JK might be trying to play around protection. However this was still Happa's initial suggestion for why mafia would not kill him. While I find that all telling, I think looking at Happa's overall play it is clear his thinking is fualty if he was in fact Hatter. First he contradicts himself saying he didn't want mayor because getting shit let's hit use the role, but he later attempts to clearly breadcrum his role. I also think him using his blue claim as an excuse to drop off the game for awhile is telling. Then you can add in my point about his clearly having a strong scum read on Vivax at the start of day, they spends a few posts going "I don't know who is mafia, I keep flip flopping on Rayn" after several pages of defending his claim to me and rayn On December 01 2020 14:34 Tictock wrote: Humm, is this so crazy? It suppose it could explain some things. On December 01 2020 14:43 Tictock wrote: Yes I say that after making a big deal of not wanting to move my vote earlier. I thought Vivax had been the safe bet for most of the day but Hapa made me lose my shit by not pushing Vivax earlier. On December 01 2020 14:48 Tictock wrote: I am not getting into that, just saying Vivax should be the lynch here. And? | ||
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On December 02 2020 04:12 Trfel wrote: @raynpelikoneet, the top nested Vivax quote here, the crystal ball one. What was the point of these posts then? Since obviously I'm not seeing what you are seeing. He said he thinks me and hapa are mafia and he is sure of it and THAT makes TT town. | ||
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On December 02 2020 04:13 Vivax wrote: And you probably both have the game in the bag by doing this from mafia perspective unnecessary switch to TT. If Trfel and Fefe don't see the light, then so be it. Why is it "unnecessary"? | ||
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On December 02 2020 04:30 Fecalfeast wrote: Hapas dickhead analysis rating is off the charts tbh i can switch to him, i dont fucking care. | ||
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On December 02 2020 04:41 Tictock wrote: Oh, well this is what I get for going to sleep? GG, WP Rayn/Vivax Funny how Rayn has townread me all game until I suggest he could be mafia and want to lynch his buddie. That's not how it works. And that's not what i did. | ||
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On December 01 2020 14:45 Tictock wrote: Yep, or at least a moment of reconsidering. Because you now fall under the same thing I was scum reading Hapa for. I asked you about this. What is it? What's the catch? | ||
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On December 02 2020 04:44 Fecalfeast wrote: I meant it to mean he's probably town as dickhead analysis says that usually if someone is being a dickhead they're probably not scum. This obviously doesn't always worklol he's still prolly mafia, my answer. | ||
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On December 02 2020 04:44 Hapahauli wrote: Let's be clear here TT. I am mafia because I moved off mafia-Vivax's lynch to mislynching you after scumreading Vivax for like 20 days. he is calling me and vivax mafia????????? | ||
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On December 02 2020 04:47 Hapahauli wrote: If we lynch mafia today and Trfel doesn't JK me tomorrow, I will never forgive him for 3 days. I hereby give the town the right to reference this post later. lol | ||
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On December 02 2020 04:53 Vivax wrote: Even with the Hapa wagon being the only viable alternative, TT still stubbornly decided to keep his vote on me. The hazy-eyed, dazed rousing rabble again with a comical display of ineptness. Oh well. GG Haparayn. I dont care what you think you need to vote for TT if you are town. | ||
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On December 02 2020 04:56 Vivax wrote: I'll eat my hat if he flips mafia. well see about that. | ||
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On December 02 2020 04:59 Trfel wrote: Part of me wants to pardon it just to see how mad everyone would be after all this XD do it and you die even thouhg you are not mafia | ||
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On December 02 2020 05:05 Trfel wrote: Sorry guys Even though I still don't know for sure what I did wrong, just that I did wrong hah, i told you it is hapa and vivax! well not really but you should not discount it | ||
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On December 02 2020 05:15 Vivax wrote: I'm town. You can drop the act now. I'm rewatching Risitas. Gz to you and Hapa. Thats impossible. | ||
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On December 02 2020 05:46 Hapahauli wrote: Vivax, Trfel, and FF - if y'all are around, can you confirm that you're here? I think we can ask the hosts to resolve the night immediately. agreed | ||
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On December 02 2020 05:47 Vivax wrote: Imagine the face when you get the bill for a Billionaire Vodka. so you up for resolving this now? | ||
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On December 02 2020 05:50 Hapahauli wrote: He doesn't strike me as a man of expensive tastes. I hope not anyway. oh you have no idea... | ||
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On December 02 2020 05:05 Trfel wrote: If mafia wants to speed up the night phase I'm likely willing, though can't do that just yet since I've gotta choose what to do. Heading out for a bit, I'll think on it. Sorry guys Even though I still don't know for sure what I did wrong, just that I did wrong everyone else has been here, where are you? | ||
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apparenylt i also conceded without conceding, double bye. | ||
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On December 02 2020 09:06 DoYouHas wrote: Absolutely, I don't think anyone is particularly happy that this incredible game was decided on mechanics, not to take away from Trfel. but you still made me concede without letting me play? I know it's late and i know i might be drunk but fuck you for real for not even let me finish your retarded JK game. | ||
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On December 19 2020 08:29 GreYMisT wrote: It’s my game Rayn, I am the host and ultimately responsible. If you are going to insult DYH please do so to me as well. I am. Why was not let play to the finish? | ||
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