EPT[N]A Mostly Normal Game of Mafia
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Personally, I play mafia to be yelled at by Rayn... and he should be coming any... minute... now... | ||
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On November 24 2020 05:55 Alakaslam wrote: I will. I think I’m pliable enough to listen to the town and not hijack the lynch with massive 460 mm japanese cannons (lookin’ at you, Yamato) and lynch who we agree upon. I’m open to suggestions and I’m town, I promise! That being said, I fully intend to add my own opinion and put it out for review. ##Vote: Alakaslam FF read the day post sir  Is your platform effectively that you will vote for whom the town desires (i.e. who the town "votes for" to be mafia)? | ||
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On November 24 2020 06:18 Alakaslam wrote: Oh pardoner. Yeah I don’t want that role but if anyone should have that, it’s still me. So many times I have known someone was town but nooo people had to lynch them. But I won’t get that way as mayor! I’m too pliable! Why is pliability a positive trait as a Mayor? On November 24 2020 06:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you open this up a little bit? What's the agenda behind this? I mean it is quite clear that for any reason TT didn't really care about answering you and you have also posted since so... Just a conversation starter. I figure that people posting about the mayoral election is ever-so-slightly more productive of a topic than other early game "joke-posting". Whether TT responds or not is immaterial. | ||
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On November 24 2020 06:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay does his non-answer mean anything to you then? His non-answer is a small fact that may fit into the larger "puzzle" of his filter and play later on. It does not mean anything to me without additional context. Is there any reason that you are "boldly" reading TT as town early on? I kinda get that his game "contrasts" from the last one in that he is early/active/loosely-posting, but that's a pretty small sample size to be making any strong reads. | ||
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On November 24 2020 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, we'll see about that later on then. Then i am also not gonna post the follow up i was going to yet.  Yes that's the reason i am reading him town so far. The read is as strong as any half-an-hour-to-the-game-read can be. So yeah, not strong but the strongest i have so far. Aren't you aware that TT has a documented history of making his first few posts w/out reading his Role PM (i.e. last game, he posted his Acro case without really knowing that Acro was his scumbuddy)? Not to say that is an excuse for dismissing reading his early filter entirely, but it does make me a bit loathe to put anything out there read-wise early on. On November 24 2020 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: ... You are right i am. Because honestly i want either him or me to be the mayor. I dont really care which one in case he is town. Because of two things i think that; One, the mayor has a bodyguard. In case hapa is town and mayor he becomes even "more very very valuable" asset to the town as it will take at least two night for mafia to get rid of him. I obviously also think i am better than anyone else (or at least on par) so the same goes for me.  Two, you have a tendency to "drop out" at times and/or forget/fail to send in actions/properly read the game, and therefore i can name other people too that would in my opinion be more valuable as mayor in case they are town. I also dont like you take on the pardoner, but i dont think that means anything towards your alignment. Pardoner should pretty much never use the power. Period.Why are town-Trfel or town-Vivax not qualified to be mayor? | ||
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On November 24 2020 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am mainly referring to him forgetting about the game. Did he say he didnt read his role PM at all or only his scumbuddies? You posted in the wrong thread, but you are correct ... I didn't exactly say that did i? But i still think i am anyways so i might have said it aswell, regardless of your affiliation. Isn't that the implication of what you said? You want to be mayor, but it is OK if town-Hapa is mayor also. That implies that you do not want other players, even if "town" to be mayor. | ||
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It is a bit of a self-meta thing, but I tend to dislike making any sort of concrete reads in the early game unless I am very confident in the read. Once I articulate a read, I find it very mentally difficult to go back and re-evaluate it seriously. Hence, I keep my reads "notepad", but I do avoid posting every little one in thread, lest I inadvertently commit myself to a town read for bad reasons. Regarding Mayor... I kinda don't want to run? It's a lot of responsibility, and I tend to enjoy games more where I am not forced to take a leadership role. If it becomes apparent that there is no good choice for mayor, I will likely campaign for myself. But I'd like to avoid that if possible. | ||
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Slam is noticeably posting "lighter" and "happier". I wasn't really convinced with the read, but having looked through some previous scumgames of his this morning, my confidence interval is pretty high on his alignment. Trfel's posting is also dead-on with his previous town games. His entrance shows he is reading the thread. He also has this "peculiar" way of making his reads as town, which I will elaborate on if I feel he is in danger of getting lynched. I think he has also appropriately pinged Grack's posts, as well as Rayn's relative passivity, which shows a degree of careful reading in the early game Grack's entrance to the game is a lot of bravado and not a lot of substance. The mayoral "campaign" can be interpreted as anything. His interaction with Trfel strikes me as scummy, because he spends time implying that Trfel is mafia without actually concretely saying anything. On November 24 2020 14:11 Grackaroni wrote: Hapa's statement is fine with me. I understand not being a player who jumps the gun with early conclusions. I'm not sure what you're on about with your backsies clause I was just relating my own experience lol. To be honest I think you're trying to dig yourself out of a hole from how you were percieved earlier. On November 24 2020 14:30 Grackaroni wrote: Rayn called out one of your posts and Slam says you shat on the carpet and all of a sudden you're yelling about my backsies and acting tough. I don't really care about Hapa's post one way or another. If he had said that pre-game I would have responded the same. Vivax's entrance is uninspiring and scummy, since he makes 6 pointless posts about reads that he's not read enough of the thread to be confident on. | ||
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In general, we should be voting for someone who 1) is valuable to the town if alive, and 2) has a reasonable chance of getting shot on N1. Slam does not fit category 2, even if he looks super town. Even if Grack starts looking more town, he also does not fit category 2. Of the players so far, I think Trfel fits both categories the best. ##Vote Trfel | ||
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I have noticed that you have been critical of Slam's "joke" candidacy. Why then are you voting for Grack's campaign? | ||
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On November 25 2020 00:45 Vivax wrote: Strike while the iron is hot. I might forget something that caught my eye if I don't instantly write about it. But noted that to you the posts are pointless. Are they also pointless when I'm caught up? No. There is a difference between: "Slam is mafia/suspicious/whatever for reasons*" *this read is subject to change after I read the thread. and "Slam is mafia/suspicious/whatever for reasons" The first doesn't inherently state anything. | ||
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On November 25 2020 00:47 Jockmcplop wrote: Where are you getting the 'joke' candidacy thing from? I'm more critical of people assuming that slam's campaign makes him town, and i'm critical of slam putting that idea forward too. I have never said anything about slam's campaign being a joke or that i think about it in that way. I don't think he's joking at all. I'm voting for grack because he was thinking along similar lines to me as regards to slam's campaign not making him town, and bought it up in the thread before I did, so I gave him town points. I figure I'm better off voting for someone other than myself as mayor because i'm more likely to be able to pick out a town and help them be mayor than i am to do anything useful if i was mayor. At the moment grack has town points so he has my vote. So is it fair to say that of the thread, you consider Grack the "towniest"? | ||
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On November 25 2020 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you elaborate more on this subject? Like in more detailed way, quote what he said and explain how it is as you wrote here. I got a bit more busy with work, so i am gonna be around properly in about 3.5 hrs. Until then i am just watching mostly. I think he has also appropriately pinged Grack's posts... #130 and #132 are observant. Grack piggybacked off of one of my posts (see "commiseration" #131). Trfel appropriately called it out in a measured way, not concluding that it made Grack ultra suspicious, but that it was an inherently useless and pointless post. Trfel's interactions with Grack on that page (notably #135 and #137) makes good points about the escalated "tone" that Grack takes in responding to Trfel. Certainly apologetic in an OOC sense, but still not backing down from his point. Rayn's relative passivity, which shows a degree of careful reading in the early game Mainly this post: On November 24 2020 15:03 Trfel wrote: While I'm at it, raynpelikoneet feels a bit off to me too. Reason being that he seemed like a bit of a push-over. No quotes right now because I'm on my phone and I'm too lazy to get up and walk to my computer. I'm used to raynpelikoneet being fairly stubborn, so this behavior seems strange to me. He said he couldn't read Alakaslam, and then later agreed about leaning town on Alakaslam. And he was suspicious of me for sensible reasons, and then ended up calling me maybe town. It would make sense if he liked my townread of Alakaslam, agreeing with it and then townreading me as well, but (1) would that really be enough to sway him from his initial read in both cases, and (2) he continued to poke at my Alakaslam townread to point out what he perceived as flaws with it. Hm. It's easy for Trfel to make a throwaway "suspicious of Rayn" post, but he ends up fairly justifiable suspicions given the early-game context. Based on my own interactions with you this game (Rayn), I am also somewhat surprised that we aren't ranting at each other yet. This doesn't make you inherently mafia, but the tone is different enough for me to take notice, and for me to nod my head when others take notice. | ||
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On November 25 2020 01:20 Vivax wrote: You are saying I could now go back and take back what I said about Slam because I've read the thread after I said it? What would I say in the case where you are right and I find three dudes who I want to lynch more than him? Your implication is that I'd invalidate what I said about Slam while I'd just say I found three dudes who are scummier than him. In conclusion, you'd not like me to spell out whatever is going through my mind at a given moment if it isn't my baked out scumteam (which btw seems impossible D1 with these players)? Because that's what the purpose of you calling out my post as pointless would be if it isn't to just shovel shit in my general direction, which it felt like. No one is asking you to throw out a full scum-team less than 24 hours into day 1. Question: you believe I am "shoveling shit" at you since I pointed out something that you did that I perceived as "scummy" (useless posts, etc.). Is that not exactly the function of posting what you did about Slam? Posting a suspicion with qualifications, and then immediately hedging those suspicions? On November 25 2020 00:22 Vivax wrote: Anyway I don't want to call him mafia before I've read everything. Going to get to that now. | ||
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On November 25 2020 02:15 Vivax wrote: Seems to be a thing atm to just say x is mafia without pointing out anything in specific, ignore questions and peace out again. At least that's the pattern for Jock and Slam on the last page. For Jock minus the x is mafia but it leaves a bad aftertaste that he dodges or misses Hapas question. Either way Trfel seems like a reasonable choice for mayor. Pretty much my only TR at this point aside from tentatively ticktock. I'm kinda in a hurry so hoped I could do more during these hours. In case someone wants to make me mayor, as in a rebellious maniac who mostly tryhards, here's my program. If I become mayor I'd use it as a vig shot on Shockeyy or FF if they don't rack up at least 2 pages of filter til the end of the day. That's the only thing that makes sense on a D1 with the awful scum hit rate and peeps should know. Otherwise I don't trust anyone to be able to figure out Shockeyy anyway. When they rack up the two pages under duress, my watchful gaze, I'd just try to compromise on a lynch with whom I think is town. Where did Jock dodge/miss my question? Upon a review of the thread, he answered what I asked of him to my knowledge. | ||
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