EPT[M][T] Aperture Mafia 4, Episode 2
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On October 28 2020 18:01 Dirkzor wrote: hey rayn: was monadel missing in last game? Or just its planned afk as scum team? =) He was mia a lot of times. We would have obviously hammered damdred in case he was around. | ||
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 dunno if it was because he was scum or why | ||
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On October 28 2020 20:19 Dirkzor wrote: Im in a meeting. Oh dear oh dear.... | ||
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Because inam at work and you are asking me questions that are very stupid. | ||
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I mean like, you asked me if i am mafia or if i am a third faction. How on earth you think i am giving you any other answer than "no" regardless of my affiliation and how on earth that answer can tell you anything about my alignment? That's why i think the questions are stupid and i dont see a point in answering them. That's the only thing you have interacted with me. I dont genuinely have any reason to "avoid you" regardless of my alignment. I am basically just going to wait for more people to post, corruption counter is interesting. Especially to see what people want to do with it. It actually CAN tell something about someone's alignment. I mean like i think Dirkzor is town already. | ||
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yes WHATCHA GONNA DO NOW BIATCHHHHHH?????? | ||
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On October 28 2020 22:47 iamperfection wrote: You did say sorry though. That is pretty scummy I said sorry for implying i think he is stupid. Because i dont. Do you know why i think Dirkzor is town? | ||
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On October 28 2020 22:57 Dirkzor wrote: I found the answer: Its not scummy I want to send the maximum amount of people to the database without increasing the corruption. Today that would be 3. one of them should figure out what increasing the corruption does... You are absolutely correct, and who would those people be? | ||
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On October 28 2020 23:06 Acrofales wrote: Ideally I'd send 3 mafia! (1) they can't use night actions, (2) they are almost certain to survive the night, and (3) even if they lie about their findings, catching a scummer in a lie like that is great info. So please, if you're mafia, volunteer to go to the TL Mafia Database tonight. It'll be a huge help! (obviously, volunteering for this duty is *not* a scumtell). yes, three top scumreads and one townie that looks for the counter +1. | ||
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On October 28 2020 23:07 Alakaslam wrote: My question is, if we go planning who to send to the database- doesn’t that allow 3p or scum or whatever to prevent it if their goal is to increase corruption? I think that is part of the mechanic, that people have that extra personal decision every night. If we decide to send X number of people, and that we let's say vote for who goes, there is no way mafia can "hold off" from going without consequenses (or like we know a pool where a liar is). If they decide to add up someone to increase the level (this first time -- i am not talking about future phases), then it's again more info for the town, like you know someone is lying and if we sent "3 scum" then we can be sure not all of those three are mafia. | ||
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Okay. Do you think Dirkzor basically opens with the most anti-town thing you can ever do? I mean without discussing it with his teammates (i guess you can argue that me/Arcofales or both are his teammates)? | ||
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On October 28 2020 23:19 iamperfection wrote: What are you saying he's being to brash to be mafia? I guess so maybe. yes i dont think he'd do that without discussing it first with his teammates. the intention of my first post was to get reaction from him mainly, because we just talked about the other game before the game started. I think it's actually best to full-claim with everyone at the start of the game (i also know that's not gonna happen because people dont believe in it), i havent lost an all-roled game where people actually did that, ever. I kinda thought he was mafia when he didnt post at first, but then he came in with a really really anti-town suggestion about the corruption level (if you are town you know what i mean, townies mainly fear for unknown -- as they should). It's like, he would have to take a step back to wait for his teammates to answer my opening, but then he just goes with THAT of everything he could have said. If you get what i mean. | ||
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On October 28 2020 23:49 iamperfection wrote: Why does that change your thinking that much though. Isnt it just that he was gunhoe about it it not being that anti town shouldn't matter much He wasn't really suggesting anything. Acrofales initially thought Dirkzor was wanting to increase to counter (i took it as face value that's what Dirkzor said when i was at work and reading). That i think would have been a really bold statement for mafia to make, but in fact Dirkzor didn't make any statement at all now that i read it. | ||
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On October 28 2020 23:53 iamperfection wrote: Am I retarded or was kitaman in this game? yes he was, i think he has been replaced with THE MEETINGS!!!!!!!!!! :D | ||
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also it was not shockeyy who replaced kitaman, who was it???? | ||
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On October 28 2020 23:57 iamperfection wrote: Acro is probably 3p he always is. Is there any meat around the bones because i kinda thought of the same :D | ||
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Let's say you are town. | ||
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On October 29 2020 00:30 Acrofales wrote: Scum has to (1) use roles, and (2) carry KP. So unless they already figured out who is carrying KP and what roles they're using, a scum!Grack shouldn't volunteer to go on a town mission. I dont understand who decided this is a "town mission"? | ||
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It's no bad if youre town, it's bad for you if you are scum, so good for me anyways <3 | ||
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On October 29 2020 01:01 iamperfection wrote: Also one person suggested the resistance shit nobody really got behind it? Misreading thread why? yes i got it | ||
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who do you feel comfortable reading in the playerlist and who not: + Show Spoiler + 1. Iamperfection 2. Hapahauli 3. Grackaroni 4. Onegu 5. Dirkzor 6. Acrofales 7. ShoCkeyy 8. Alakaslam 9. Tictock 10. Koshi 11. Raynpelikoneet 12. Yamato77 | ||
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On October 29 2020 01:10 Hapahauli wrote: Ah, I thought that Acro had suggested the resistance game, and it was actually Dirkzor. If I was purely 3p, I wouldn't claim. A pure 3p wouldn't likely get any advantage from giving town information. I guess that makes you mafia then | ||
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On October 29 2020 01:11 Hapahauli wrote: Here we go again. Oh i am not gonna "go" It's okay, you do you. | ||
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Okay. Good. | ||
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On October 29 2020 01:13 Grackaroni wrote: I'll give you that. I think it's a terrible idea to volunteer that you have an alternative win-con as 3P. All it does is generate suspicion on you and give an easy push for mafia. why is hapa not mafia? your post implicates that there is no chance he is mafia. | ||
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On October 29 2020 01:21 Grackaroni wrote: It's possible but then I think he'd probably be a mafia with an alternate win condition which is a little stranger than town with one imo. so he is just "not lying about anything"??????? | ||
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On October 29 2020 01:22 Grackaroni wrote: I definitely don't think he's lying about having multiple win conditions. why is that? | ||
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On October 29 2020 01:23 Hapahauli wrote: What do you think I am lying about Rayn? I think you are lying about your alignment. | ||
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On October 29 2020 01:25 Grackaroni wrote: Because it's convoluted and generally a dumb thing to make up? I have never entered a game as mafia and thought, "hmmm... I think I'll win over town's trust by claiming a 2nd win condition!" I don't think Hapa would think like that either. ok | ||
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On October 29 2020 01:29 Hapahauli wrote: That's a constructive way of going about it... What do specifically doubt or find suspiciously about my "story"? the way you present it, and the things that you do not focus on, instead of what you do. | ||
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On October 29 2020 01:25 Grackaroni wrote: I have never entered a game as mafia and thought, "hmmm... I think I'll win over town's trust by claiming a 2nd win condition!" Trust me you can get so fucking far with having no abilities playing as mafia with something like this. lol | ||
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I think Hapa is mafia. | ||
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On October 29 2020 01:41 ShoCkeyy wrote: Are you not interested in other towns livelihoods? i think you should stop the memes if you are town | ||
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On October 29 2020 01:43 iamperfection wrote: At the very least he must have some sort of traitor mechanic for sure. He could worry about getting shot I guess though but you would think he just play normal and tone it back if he becomes to townish. would you think 3p hapa would be interested in figuring out mafia or not? | ||
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On October 29 2020 01:45 iamperfection wrote: I can't really say. If it's like a survivor he should be somewhat I would think. I think he has an ambition to solve the game, even if not town (3p). Idk i dont see it rn. | ||
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On October 29 2020 01:48 iamperfection wrote: But his role could legitimately be very complicated agree to this | ||
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On October 29 2020 01:52 ShoCkeyy wrote: I’m not bad I’ve carried many games and correctly have guessed mafia team many times. I’m a berry analytical person.and here? | ||
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I am interested, how do you read me? | ||
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On October 29 2020 02:11 iamperfection wrote: I would say town so far. Can't give a strong town read as I have never had those be wrong. But engaged looks like your trying to figure things out. I was more thinking into how you actually form a read on me, because i dont actually think "engaged" (unless you have your own way of interpreting how my engaging is engaging) as town suits it. | ||
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On October 29 2020 01:52 ShoCkeyy wrote: I’m not bad I’ve carried many games and correctly have guessed mafia team many times. I’m a berry analytical person.I think this is not what shockeyy actually thinks. | ||
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On October 29 2020 02:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think this is not what shockeyy actually thinks. last sentence especially, i dont care about who was right and when or if someone is / thinks they are good or not... | ||
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On October 29 2020 02:16 iamperfection wrote: Oh you mean like a meta analysis no I won't do that day 0 if at all. Kind of yes, that's what i meant. I wouldnt have asked but since you said you can do all but Acro, then i got interested. | ||
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On October 29 2020 02:20 iamperfection wrote: I mean why would he lie about being an analytical person. Or at least himself thinking that he is an analytical person in mafia games i havent seen him as one tbh.... (no offense shockeyy) | ||
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On October 29 2020 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk why he would lie, people do though, when they are mafia for ??????? | ||
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On October 29 2020 02:23 iamperfection wrote: But he has no reason to lie about that he probably does think that about himself rightly or wrongly uhh.. well he has done it though, i can look it up for you | ||
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can you show how analytical you are shockeyy and provide some reads? | ||
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On October 29 2020 02:36 ShoCkeyy wrote: Bruh... You ask me this every game even when I'm town. It's literally N0. I need more training data for my models. But you said something else? | ||
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On October 29 2020 01:52 ShoCkeyy wrote: I’m not bad I’ve carried many games and correctly have guessed mafia team many times. I’m a berry analytical person. | ||
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On October 29 2020 02:40 iamperfection wrote: I'm very confused i am asking him of any reads at all, because there is 10 pages of content, and i dont personally feel like shockeyy is "analytical" as he claims. | ||
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On October 29 2020 02:43 ShoCkeyy wrote: Dude, in order to make an informed decision on my reads, I need more data outside of just N0 and the current posters. You know this, and we literally talk about this every time I'm playing. Yet here you questioning me once again on the same thing. So you dont want to make any decisions N0? Or what are you saying? | ||
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On October 29 2020 02:44 ShoCkeyy wrote: yea 10 pages of noise data. What is an analytical person? What is an analytical person? An analytical person wants to gather and consider information at length before making a big decision. Even in small choices, they will tend to look to the numbers or data for guidance, rather than making an off-the-cuff choice. If you're truly say I'm not analytical, then I don't think you know what it actually meant. I agree i have no idea how analytical or not you are. But i know you said you were in a meeting once, and at that time things happened, and after you claimed to be able to do one but not the other.... Again, i may not know what analytical means, but that doesnt sound like it. Nor does saying blablabla instead of NOT BEING ANALYTICAL.But that's my opinion. | ||
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iamp town hapa mafia everyone else is boo | ||
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On October 29 2020 02:47 ShoCkeyy wrote: What decision am I going to make on N0? There's nothing I can do on N0. I can give my reads towards the end when everyone has posted, but we've only have like what 66% of people posting? the other 4 are very likely to also be in that mafia list. On October 29 2020 02:53 ShoCkeyy wrote: I mean asking for reads this early in the game is like asking to be shot by mafia if you get it correct. I don't want to die N0 | ||
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I restrain from posting until D1 because i cannot "kill" anyone until then. | ||
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On October 29 2020 03:20 Alakaslam wrote: Which by this point I obv no longer believe. More people have posted since 8 Who is mafia then? | ||
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On October 29 2020 03:26 Alakaslam wrote: Why is ShoCkeyy both busier than me and capable of more activity? And hapa duh dude lol. i dont get it. is someone mafia in your opinion or not? | ||
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On October 29 2020 03:29 Hapahauli wrote: Therrre we go, Slam failed the test. On October 29 2020 03:44 Hapahauli wrote: Rayn and Iamp get A's. Acro gets a B. Grack gets a C+. Shockey gets an Incomplete. I am sorry if you are town but i will do everything in my power to get you lynched you mafia scum. bye. | ||
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On October 29 2020 03:49 Hapahauli wrote: Yeah yeah whatever. I know you’re town and that’s all I care about for now. Have fun screaming at a wall. hopefully you pick it up man. | ||
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On October 29 2020 03:57 Hapahauli wrote: The way he addressed my claim makes him town. That is how Town-Rayn acts when he is confronted when an "experienced player" does something that doesn't make sense to him. Absolutely not. This post: and this post: Are not congruent. Okay os if you are not mafia why are you not scumhunting_ And don\t say your A- and shit is @scumhunting. | ||
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If you are not mafia, why are you not scumhunting? And dont say that A- into B shit. | ||
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On October 29 2020 04:24 Hapahauli wrote: The fuck are you smoking? I agree it doesnt make much sense. | ||
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On October 29 2020 04:26 ShoCkeyy wrote: Lamp and Hapa confirmed mafia. Rayn posted near 4:20, you should know what he's smoking. wouldnt surprise me if i got lynched for that. wouldnt surprise me if people would not know who to lynch next. :D | ||
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On October 29 2020 04:27 yamato77 wrote: I think this game is probably best played with a bit more close-to-the-vest style of forming reads (especially so in a Day 0 where not much of value can occur), so I am going to refrain from widely commenting on everything I have observed in the thread so far and instead discuss specific points of interest and how they would relate to potential night actions taken by the town in the coming phase. I think that we absolutely should attempt to limit who visits the Database, and I generally agree with the notion that we should accept volunteers. The interesting point is who they should attempt to target with their action, and in that I think we already have an excellent candidate. Grack, if we continue to believe he is town (for reasons previously stated by others), should absolutely try to find out more about Hapahauli's role. That said, roleblocks may prevent this from happening, but this is the sort of thing we should be trying to do with the Database instead of simply worrying about its effect on game mechanics. Agreed? I personally cannot be a part of this mission. I believe the most pro-town thing I could do is to take my own personal night action that deals with my role. Other than that, I think the best approach to this cycle will be to simply attempt to coordinate who is doing what and dealing with claims. It is a themed game so these mechanics cannot simply be ignored in favor of "scumhunting" early on in a game when we can't even lynch for a significant period of time. the best thing you can do is to tell who is mafia and who is not, and if you fail to do that you are gonna get lynched. stop spilling shit. | ||
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On October 29 2020 04:37 yamato77 wrote: I'm not going to play along in a rayn-game. If this turns into one I will just replace. Not worth my time. You wrote a lot of things. I am asking you for reads. Too much to ask? | ||
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if you think that's suitable why dont we all just write about mechanics and argue about them until every townie is dead. | ||
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On October 29 2020 04:39 yamato77 wrote: He failed to comment on literally anything I said and made vague threats he can't even enforce for several more days, and did so in a completely disrespectful manner. I am not here to play in a shitflinging game. Not worth my time. 10 pages of content or "content" up to you to decide. you said 0. (if you disagree please tell me where the reads are in the post i commented on) what am i supposed to do? | ||
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On October 29 2020 04:27 yamato77 wrote: I think this game is probably best played with a bit more close-to-the-vest style of forming reads (especially so in a Day 0 where not much of value can occur), so I am going to refrain from widely commenting on everything I have observed in the thread so far and instead discuss specific points of interest and how they would relate to potential night actions taken by the town in the coming phase. I think that we absolutely should attempt to limit who visits the Database, and I generally agree with the notion that we should accept volunteers. The interesting point is who they should attempt to target with their action, and in that I think we already have an excellent candidate. Grack, if we continue to believe he is town (for reasons previously stated by others), should absolutely try to find out more about Hapahauli's role. That said, roleblocks may prevent this from happening, but this is the sort of thing we should be trying to do with the Database instead of simply worrying about its effect on game mechanics. Agreed? I personally cannot be a part of this mission. I believe the most pro-town thing I could do is to take my own personal night action that deals with my role. Other than that, I think the best approach to this cycle will be to simply attempt to coordinate who is doing what and dealing with claims. It is a themed game so these mechanics cannot simply be ignored in favor of "scumhunting" early on in a game when we can't even lynch for a significant period of time. who is mafia here? who is town here? where are your reads? | ||
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On October 29 2020 04:39 yamato77 wrote: He failed to comment on literally anything I said and made vague threats he can't even enforce for several more days, and did so in a completely disrespectful manner. I am not here to play in a shitflinging game. Not worth my time. I dont think i did it in a disrespectful manner, because the point of the game is to find mafia. You didn't do anything to enforce it. | ||
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On October 29 2020 04:45 Hapahauli wrote: Rayn, when you disagree with someone, you tend to do so in a tone that comes across as extremely aggressive and personal. I don't think you intend it, but that's my experience... both in the last game we played and this one. You can take it for what it is worth. I think i say things as they are. And i am not wrong here, 100%. | ||
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On October 29 2020 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: How am i being incredibly rude to you yamato? What am i supposed to see instead of what ido and why? | ||
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On October 29 2020 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: What am i supposed to see instead of what ido and why? @yamato. | ||
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On October 29 2020 04:59 yamato77 wrote: Rayn I've decided not to engage with you if you disagree with me. It's a viable path forward in this game and I will allow my actions to speak for themselves over the next few days. Do what you will. I dont think that's how you play a mafia game, but ok. | ||
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On October 29 2020 05:01 iamperfection wrote: Yamato pretty sus here. right i am up for lynching him for being an ass... | ||
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On October 29 2020 05:07 iamperfection wrote: Btw if it's revealed that there is more than one mafia team like in the first game of this kill hapa. I think there is a chance there is 2 mafia teams. 3mafia, or 2mafia with 1x3p, or 2x2mafia teams | ||
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On October 29 2020 05:12 Hapahauli wrote: I don't understand you both. You spend all this time talking about the importance of making scumreads, and then you talk about incredibly speculative setup stuff. Why? i made scumreads. You and yamato. | ||
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On October 29 2020 05:17 Hapahauli wrote: Being mad at people and calling the mafia are not scumreads. Who am i mad at? | ||
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On October 29 2020 05:23 Hapahauli wrote: I am talking. What do you want? But frankly, I am not going to engage in this for long if this is just a "Hapa is mafia" echo chamber. I am not diplomatic enough today to deal with that. Acro, Grack ans Shockeyy, why are they what they are? | ||
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Why do you treat me differently than iamp? | ||
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i guess you're better. You dont tell them they are shit when they are. | ||
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I guess i lay off and just do my shit with night actions. have fun playing. | ||
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On October 29 2020 04:39 yamato77 wrote: He failed to comment on literally anything I said and made vague threats he can't even enforce for several more days, and did so in a completely disrespectful manner. I am not here to play in a shitflinging game. Not worth my time. can we lynch yamato D1? He is mafia anyways. | ||
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On October 29 2020 05:46 Hapahauli wrote: It is because you give the impression that you have extremely unrealistic expectations of my play, and that nothing I say or do can convince you that I am not mafia. okay, find me mafia then. i have seen none, you are FULLY capable of finding mafia yet you have no scumreads as i know. what gives? | ||
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On October 29 2020 05:49 Hapahauli wrote: You're mad at him, whether you want to admit it or not. I'm not lynching him for his opening post. He may very well be mafia for other reasons later in the game, but not for that. ok. i am. i dont care if you are. heh | ||
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On October 29 2020 05:49 Hapahauli wrote: You're mad at him, whether you want to admit it or not. And this is really bad, even for you, and you should know it Hapa.... | ||
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On October 29 2020 05:57 Hapahauli wrote: And? And what? My sense is that you're calling me mafia without reading the thread. You provided shit for why Slam is ?????? i dont care if it is town or mafia. Okay, i agree. Now i am unable to ever call anyone mafia ever again? or are you just getting angry=?? | ||
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On October 29 2020 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: You provided shit for why Slam is ?????? i dont care if it is town or mafia. Okay, i agree. Now i am unable to ever call anyone mafia ever again? or are you just getting angry=??You can call me mafia for whatever you ever think is possible and i dont give a fuck. But why cannot i call you mafia here? Hapa, yamato, shockeyy, my mafia team, if even 2 of those are wrong i take full responsibility <3 | ||
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On October 29 2020 06:02 Hapahauli wrote: This isn't productive. Good night. agreed | ||
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On October 28 2020 20:02 Acrofales wrote: Ded gaem | ||
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On October 29 2020 06:30 Hapahauli wrote: I admire the bravado. I do. me? or what? | ||
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On October 29 2020 06:32 Hapahauli wrote: No. Shockeyy. I think he is town though because my role says he is lol | ||
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On October 29 2020 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: especially yamato who i have been threathening and shit for all of his life, play mafia ok? can i call you mafia or not? | ||
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On October 29 2020 06:37 yamato77 wrote: So you're claiming to be a cop, essentially? You checked his alignment? Or did he take an action? This certainly requires more. I am claiming i know shockeyy's alignment to be town, nothing more nothing less. | ||
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On October 29 2020 06:39 Hapahauli wrote: Ryan's already soft-claimed vigi and hard-claimed some alignment thing, so who knows. oh buy, you are so bad at this game :D | ||
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On October 29 2020 06:42 yamato77 wrote: Shockey do you know why Rayn thinks you are town? ah yeah :D | ||
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On October 29 2020 06:50 Dirkzor wrote: Hey rayn. If you know shockey is town why did you call him scum several time?? i dont think i want to tell you that. | ||
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On October 28 2020 20:02 Acrofales wrote: Ded gaem go, tell us what you got | ||
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On October 29 2020 07:17 iamperfection wrote: Are you losing your mind? These last 2 pages are all over the place i guess i am, i am back during night. or idk, pfff,,,,, | ||
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On October 29 2020 19:06 Dirkzor wrote: Oh and rayn also waited to just before deadline... coincidence? hmm... leaning scummy on that move. I waited because it's more likely i wont get roleblocked. I didnt so its all good. I am not going to discuss what i did. Nothing harmful to anyone, that you can be sure of. | ||
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On October 29 2020 18:51 Acrofales wrote: Hm. Ok. I believe you're town, and you believe he is. But I need more than this. You masons? No Town | ||
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On October 29 2020 22:36 iamperfection wrote: Rayn you can replay a cycle and you choose night 0 ???????????????????????????? No that's not what it is. I am gonna make a bigger post once i get off work. | ||
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iamp town dirkzor town. i disagree with grackaroni. there are things in his claim that make me believe he is telling the truth, i think he would have claimed otherwise as 3p. Public power like that in any case looks more like townie power. shockeyy town. I dont actually have a role that says anything about shockeyy, it was part of my plan for using my power but i ditched the original plan because i made a better one. However shockeyy later on (when i called him town) sounds really townie. Mafia shockeyy is way more robotic and doesnt really "play in the moment" that much. Also the weird Acrofales shit in his post doesnt ever come from mafia in my opinion, it's too convoluted to create a lie like that lol (and for no reason). Acrofales, cant read. I disagree with iamp that him trying to figure out stuff makes him town, most of the stuff he tries to figure out imo is setup/role related and that's something mafia is at least as interested in as town is. Slam, can't read. Onegu probably mafia because he hasn't posted a read on me. I dont even care what the read is just that it's not there. Historically that makes him mafia. Grack, very null, can be mafia easily. TT very "clean" posting without much content, maybe mafia Hapa confirmed 3p. If 2 mafia teams = kill immediately, if doesnt help = kill immediately, never ever put protection on a player that is not town, that's the silliest thing suggested this game. He's gonna thank us for that by leaving the game if he has an opportunity to do so. yamato scum lean. reads he made are very easy. scalling shockeyy mafia is probably the easiest thing to do bucause shockeyy generally doesnt have reads and by default that usually looks like "posting nonsense". read on iamp is easy to make, then he ignored the person who disagreed with him for no apparent reason. Read on hapa looks more like making friends than making a read. I dont think anyone who is town can dismiss the possibility of there being more than one mafia team. If that's the case, Hapa is probably mafia no matter how pro-town he appears (since in that case also mafia can scumhunt). yamato isn't even exploring that possibility, and even goes far enough to call PROTECTION on a player that is NOT TOWN BY THEIR OWN WORDS. So yeah...Koshi, probably town because i already have too many scumreads, but vig pls anyways. So i dont want Hapa to check the corruption counter. The reason for that is that the more i thought about it even mafia most likely dont have any intention to lie about a game mechanic D1. The only faction that has possible intention to lie is 3p. Note that i dont mean hapa will necessarily lie about it, i am just saying it is possible. That's why i am going to go and check that. With me the benefit also is that even if i die the information will come to the thread one way or another. Acrofales is right though that Hapa should go and do whatever. Just to make sure a cult doesnt get bigger :D | ||
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On October 30 2020 01:18 iamperfection wrote: The counter is at 1 anyways everyone could go tonight no? Yeah that was my idea. But there are a couple of problems. What if we have like 1 person "missing"? How do we determine who that person is? Since you dont always find even relevant information there. Other thing is that the information of mafia KP being an action or not is apparently unclear. | ||
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On October 29 2020 03:42 Hapahauli wrote: To elaborate, he did the thing where mafia feels super uncomfortable to get into a discussion about a very chaotic topic (my claim), and instead of getting involved, addressed it in a super round-about way. On October 29 2020 03:44 Hapahauli wrote: Rayn and Iamp get A's. Acro gets a B. Grack gets a C+. Shockey gets an Incomplete. I just cant get over this. We get grades but why isn't Slam there? I dont understand it, Slam should get F by the post above. I also dont understand why Acrofales has been over on why i know shockeyy is town but not interested at all when Hapa knew i am town.... | ||
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On October 30 2020 01:42 iamperfection wrote: I don't know that. How do you know that. Actually maybe i am just really stupid. I also would like an answer to this. | ||
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On October 30 2020 05:08 ShoCkeyy wrote: I can't say yet sadly. I really wish I could, but I'll have to wait till D1 to explain. Does it heavily help the town in case you go? | ||
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On October 30 2020 05:22 ShoCkeyy wrote: It depends on mafias night actions, but I think it would in 90% of cases I've thought of. Mafias actions this night? | ||
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On October 30 2020 15:12 yamato77 wrote: Rayn ITT: ignore/dismiss everything I post in favor of continuing to scumread me for my first post in the game. Thats not true. I dont know if you understand but scummy stuuf doesnt bwcome somehow less scummy if a person just posts more. Thats pretty basic stuff in a mafia game. You write a lot of words but say very little. I mean like you wrote like 100 words to say you dont have a read on me. Also this: If I am indeed mafia, why would I buddy with a competing alignment? I dont believe for a second that an experienced player like you doesnt understand the concept of mafia buddying a player that is not in their team. | ||
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On October 30 2020 16:04 yamato77 wrote: You claimed your role makes you sure that Shockey is town and you posted in the thread that you activated some part of your role, though no host message followed like it did Dirk's. And yes, your refusal to be more forthcoming is ridiculous. I already said the first part is not true. Everything else is nonsense. Me using a power and not telling what i did is in no way scummy. | ||
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I think you just don't really read my posts. This is exactly what I expect unfortunately so whatever. Continue to be wrong if you must. i also thought you think i am mafia and not "wrong"? Which is it? | ||
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On October 30 2020 16:16 yamato77 wrote: Then you're not reading my posts, as I said. In a gesture of good faith, I will go IN MY OWN FILTER and show you the posts you made later on basically verbatim: I have eead those posts, I dont understand why this is a reason for me to change my read on you? | ||
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On October 30 2020 16:26 iamperfection wrote: You don't think yamato has been more townish recently? I dont really have problems eith his posting lately aside from him writing a lot about me and actually ending up with no read. I think its as productive as Onegus posting.. and the hapa thing, i dont think its logically sound but youre going to have to wait for that explanation until i am home since it requires more time and computer, both of which i dont have at work. I can even understand the stuff on shockeyy, while i disagree with his conclusion about me on it. | ||
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On October 30 2020 16:41 Dirkzor wrote: To be fair your buried your acro "case" in a the last paragraph in a very long post. I do think acro is also a but scummy, but not as much as grack. After reading his acros filter i stumbled upon one of his very first posts: Why ask to Koshi? He have posted once and that was his /in. No reason to think he was here. Myself and ray had just posted before game start so make sense... but not Koshi. Pretty sure he was asking for european people during european daytime. | ||
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On October 30 2020 16:33 yamato77 wrote: I personally think the best lynch tomorrow is Acro. Onegu and Grack I don't really expect much from as town, so it's a crapshoot to try to lynch them. I made my case on Acro and that has largely gone unresponded to so I stand by it. So this IS a scumread? Sorry i didnt see it because you didnt say you think he is mafia: One person I absolutely do not care for is Acro. He is hyper-focused on Hapa's claim to a fault. His comments on anything outside of that since the early parts of the game are sparse. He wrote a whole bunch of nothing about my spat with Rayn and has followed up on literally nothing except his evaluation of a single 3p claim. This fixation is something that appears genuine, but could easily come from mafia. I do not trust him. | ||
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On October 30 2020 17:04 Koshi wrote: 100% mafia read and I would vote Acro just based on that. Oh i see it is and o dont even disagree with what he said. My problem lies within the fact that he said he doesnt care about acro and that he seemed genuine but could also be mafia. I dont understand why youd think someone is mafia and then dont care about them? Imo thats the thing he should MOSTLY care about. That someone is mafia and you try to get them killed. Right? It sounds like marv in that shadow game when we were laughing with DP when marv was never calling anyone mafia but instead smelly and some other shit.. :D | ||
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On November 01 2020 21:31 Dirkzor wrote: No one visit the database to night. Should be obvious. what are you talking about? what the happened in our thread? yamato? | ||
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On November 01 2020 22:01 Dirkzor wrote: If corruption increase so does KP by 1. So if even 1 town goes, and mafia fill up the rest they have +1 KP next night. So i would assume you wouldnt be interested it that? I would be interested in making one player who people think is mafia, going. If they dont go we just straight out lynch them. Even one townie going is better than noone going. | ||
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On November 01 2020 22:01 Dirkzor wrote: If corruption increase so does KP by 1. So if even 1 town goes, and mafia fill up the rest they have +1 KP next night. So i would assume you wouldnt be interested it that? How do you know there is 2+ mafia left in the game? | ||
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On November 01 2020 22:19 Dirkzor wrote: I forgot that atleast one have to go. Hmm... also how many needed now before its increase? Still 4 or is it now 3 because we are only 11. I don't know how the rounding up/down works. Do we really want to chance it with someone we think is mafia? Why not someone we think is town. That person can just claim to have went and say 2/3 others have also gone? How would we know. Maybe make someone we think is town go, and then mafia have to use a lot of manpower to increase it (and thats other night actions they cant use). Btw i don't know how many mafia is left. I just assumed that there would be atleast 2. 3 to fulfill the corruption +1. 11 alive, 6 is majority, 3 is half the majority (it's rounded up in mafia games always). Yes we do. If we "hit" mafia with it, mafia possibly cannot increase the corruption (if Acro was mafia, and/or if there was 2 mafia to begin with). Sending one town is better than sending noone because if we send one town mafia has to send at least 2 people (cannot use actions, hell we dont even know if they can use KP if they go) to increase corruption. Opposed to noone goes and mafia just sends noone and it will increase. Hapa and Dirkzor are never going. Period. Just because they are either 3p or at least there is a chance they are (i know hapa is 100% i am just grouping them here together because we cannot be sure about dirkzor). If we find out they have gone without town's consensus going on from here, just simply insta lynch there. | ||
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Acro had a jan ability/attribute in his role, he "fully claimed" so that would make him mafia Mafia janned Acro. I don't know why mafia would jan town!Acro because he fully claimed his role as per his words. Town janned Acro. Why the fuck would anyone do that? 3p janned Acro. I don't really see why? So like.. There is also a possibility of a copycat role who gets the first role that dies. Aside from this option it is very hard for me to see why Acro is town mechanic-wise. | ||
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On November 01 2020 23:10 iamperfection wrote: So in our thread one of yamato Rayn and slam lied about vote or fucked up? why would i lie or fuck up? | ||
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On November 01 2020 23:33 iamperfection wrote: When he talked about going we were talking about sending everyone because we didn't know at the time raising the corruption level was atrocious for town. But what is the comment he made that makes you think so? I mean like he said this: On October 30 2020 15:28 Onegu wrote: Hey question. I know I'm a idiot but with the corruption at 1 right now and it only having shit happen at 1,3,5 don't we want as many people as possible going tonight? To get the most clues? On October 30 2020 15:30 Onegu wrote: Or am I missing something here that I didn't see because I only skimmed it On October 30 2020 15:35 Onegu wrote: I thought it had already been discussed I haven't read the thread. But what was decided? And why aren't we coordinating who everyone is visiting? And shouting at people to do it? On October 30 2020 15:35 Onegu wrote: I know it's to late to shout at people. I will be visiting and targeting koshi I understand he is saying it's a possibility that everyone goes. But after that he is saying the townie thing that we should consolidate and even asks who is going? Did he check who was going? Did he try to follow up with something? I am not sure his D1 post on Grack lines up with that string of posts, regardless ofwhat he decided to do. I also dont really like you saying i could have lied or even worse fucked up or forgotten to do something, because i dont do that. I dont like it because you are very adamant on telling people how they should think (re: my grack problem D1), what is the most likely explanation. It's not a bad thing playing like that because it usually ends up in a right conclusion but suggesting i could have lied (which would make me mafia) about voting for TT when i made the case on him when noone and their mothers even thought he could be mafia when i could just like... not do that lol... I think that's the dumbest thing you have suggested this game. | ||
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On November 01 2020 23:45 iamperfection wrote: I'm just saying I know for a fact I voted for him. I don't know a 100 percent that the rest of you three did and the fact he didn't die means one of you lied or fucked up..... Not sure why your getting your panties in a bunch over it. Because you have played this game by looking for the most possible answers for shit, and dismissed me digging further into something (re: grack -- i did that just because nothing else was going on during that game). I would say there is less chance of me lying not voting for TT regardless of anyone's alignment than there is Grack lying about not knowing mafia KP is 1 at the start of the game. It is just annoying. On November 01 2020 23:42 iamperfection wrote: I can be the only one going to the database. If anyone else goes or is caught by a role going it's a scum claim. I can agree to this. | ||
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On November 01 2020 23:05 iamperfection wrote: At least I didn't fuck up untill after the switch what is this ? | ||
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On November 02 2020 02:14 Alakaslam wrote: Yesterday before the Halloween rush, because I omgus probably? I was tired. I drive many hours for the uber people When exactly? Why did you not post a vote on Koshi TO vote for him but posted a vote on TT and NOT vote him? | ||
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On November 02 2020 02:18 Alakaslam wrote: Cell phone reception and around 7pm my time, when I was shitting and saw my PM did not go through (bad token or some shit) and was clear. Forgot who I was voting for, didn’t care that much as I needed to wipe and go drive, voted Koshi That would be... about 5AM this morning your time Looks like you had a lot of shit going on when you voted for Koshi. Why didn't you vote for TT when you said you would? | ||
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On November 02 2020 02:48 Alakaslam wrote: Comes up half the time I try to send a PM. It’s in bold red at the top of the site when a PM gets cocked up. Do none of you use your phones to play this? I do so exclusively. I’ve seen people clearly think I am online when I am not because they are using activity loggers. My phone is online just not me In finland the internet works, that's the difference. I get that sometimes. I just send the message again and it's okay. You didn't do that? | ||
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On November 02 2020 02:52 Alakaslam wrote: I did as soon as I saw the request. But it had been many hours, I guess that is why it cleared the form? so you didnt have time to send in your vote? or you were too late or what? | ||
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On November 02 2020 02:56 Alakaslam wrote: This still doesn’t answer how TT was saved though. He still had 3 votes right? Scum has done shit or someone else lied/fucked up 4 votes required to lynch. | ||
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On November 02 2020 03:01 Alakaslam wrote: The first time I had time and thought I had. The second time, I opened Safari to do something else entirely (BizBuySell.com) but the first thing I saw was “bad token yadda” so I wrote in Koshi (as the message was blank) and moved on. what did you do when you wanted to vote for TT? You even voted that in the game thread. | ||
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On November 02 2020 03:49 Dirkzor wrote: But if the corruption increase was a good thing and the reward in the end was a good thing it wouldn't make sense. Thats why i assumed increasing it would be bad huh? | ||
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On November 02 2020 04:02 Dirkzor wrote: I know the reward for activating my ability is a good thing. 5 phases = reward for town. I know it will also increase corruption by 1. I don't know what corruption increase will do. But seeing as I'm already getting a reward i assumed the corruption increase would be "the downside" = something bad Other than this i guess most of us didn't really think that corruption was a good thing for us? did you? I just had the extra info because of my ability. Makes sense? You knew it will increase the corruption level by 1. Okay. You say you don't know what the corruption level increase will do. Okay. You are already getting a reward? How? I thought it was all in 5 phases. | ||
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On November 02 2020 05:44 Hapahauli wrote: This? I do not consider these "dumb town" tells as reliable as you. Especially in a game with crazy mechanics. Wording of the OP aside, I do not know if there are any hidden mechanics that may have prevented mafia from shooting on N0. Then why didnt you say anything when iamp was calling me an idiot for thinking something alike? | ||
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On November 02 2020 05:49 Koshi wrote: The chance they are both mafia is so small. Bigger chance they are both town by a mile or 4. I am yet to hear the big Koshi mafia case. The one that he is so sure of and makes sense even if it doesnt, and i can see he believes in it. | ||
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On November 02 2020 05:53 Hapahauli wrote: 1) What are you talking about? 2) Why would I want to get involved in an argument between two people who I think are town and are not in danger of being lynched? 1) whatever iamp was yelling me at, telling grack is like confirmed town on D1. 2) because you would like to tell people who you think are town to get their shit together and not talk about useless shit. c'mon you know how this game works lol | ||
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On November 02 2020 05:56 Koshi wrote: Hmm? I dont follow. Also disclaimer: I forgot to vote. I really thought I did but there is a big chance I didnt. I also thought day would last till tomorrow. Oops. it's simple. who is mafia? why? | ||
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On November 02 2020 06:09 Koshi wrote: Are you disappointed? Not really i just think you might be mafia. | ||
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On November 02 2020 06:01 Hapahauli wrote: In my school days, maybe I would have commented on it. Nowadays, I'm too old to stay up past my bed time to get involved in every argument in the thread. I want you to be the guy who shits on my or iamp's reads, like i do on your two, like iamps does on ours. He takes the spot, can you? | ||
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On November 02 2020 06:40 iamperfection wrote: i want options for the database i can only think of 2 but i want multiple in the thread so i can pick from them. we force one to go who is mafia, or you go. | ||
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On November 02 2020 06:46 iamperfection wrote: i mean for my actual action as in what to do. We also have a problem if im the only one to go that im checking on idk about the action. i dont think there is anything useful. like yamato confirmed i did something D0 (duh). i dont think tha database is that useful unless someone claims to be a role and you can contradict it in a way it was/wasn't in some other greymist game. it's just not that useful imo. | ||
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On November 02 2020 06:53 iamperfection wrote: im just worried if they know exactly what im doing they could fuck with it. I'm also worried if i get role-blocked but im checking to see if going to the database can be role-blocked. roleblocking is a thing but i dont think we should take that into account. rbing someone who goes to the database uis always better than rbing someone that uses shit for town. | ||
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On November 02 2020 06:54 iamperfection wrote: my guess would be it cant since it isnt your role but thats just speculation i think i am the best person to go. | ||
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On November 02 2020 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: okay you go no actually no. it's better if i go. are you okay with it? | ||
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On October 31 2020 01:42 iamperfection wrote: so i visited and The next corruption event will cause Aperture Science KP to become more powerful! idk | ||
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On November 02 2020 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: iamp i should go. I really think it should be me. | ||
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On November 02 2020 07:12 ShoCkeyy wrote: I think dirk is mafia. why is that? | ||
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On November 02 2020 07:18 iamperfection wrote: alright so the action of going to the database can be roleblocked. i dont care, you can make up the deduction of if they are gonna do that or not to me. | ||
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On November 02 2020 07:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: do what you did last night if youre town. shockeyy | ||
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On November 02 2020 07:45 Koshi wrote: Hmm seems like a dumb policy. Mafia is always more careful with shit like that. that's not true. | ||
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On November 02 2020 07:42 iamperfection wrote: and no more sob stories too i dont care about whatever bs is going on in your life you signed up to play the game play the game. I hope you get called very many names and at least 100 people left TL mafia because of you, otherwise i call bs. | ||
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On November 02 2020 07:50 Koshi wrote: Sure they are. Town modkilled for not voting or mafia modkilled for not voting. Even with the ratios. I believe town gets modkilled more. And dumb lying is for sure more in favor for town. Also if you policy lynch, you dont take into account ratios so wayyyy worse. On November 02 2020 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: I hope you get called very many names and at least 100 people left TL mafia because of you, otherwise i call bs. | ||
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I think Koshi started as a lion (that i would expect him to) and devolved to a house cat *meow*. He needs to step up. I still think TT is mafia. Be wary of Koshi. yamato has fallen off earth. Slam is prolly town. Onegu who knows. haha.. i dont even know anything tbh. dont kill iamp or shockeyy. | ||
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On November 02 2020 08:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont like how Koshi is not fighting my read on TT. And no i am not making a read on TT because if that, i genuinely think TT is mafia. I find it weird though that Koshi's TTTTT is not worth fighting for him. | ||
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On November 03 2020 01:36 iamperfection wrote: i consider this mayor vote a dick measuring contest between yamato and rayn. Disappointed im not in there. shh dont tell anyone but i dont really care which one wins here. | ||
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On November 03 2020 01:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi did you roleblock anyone N1? Furthermore can you roleblock during the day? | ||
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Now where is the missing KP and why doesn't mafia have a roleblocker? I am gonna think about this a little bit more in a while. Because i can see answers if 2 out of Koshi/Hapa/shockeyy are mafia but with acro that's fucking insane and makes no sense at all. | ||
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On November 02 2020 22:54 Koshi wrote: I did but it was because my cat died so I didn't have time to play and I was confused. You didn't? I can see you started joking after that but i thought this was a legit post, at least the action. | ||
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On November 03 2020 02:22 iamperfection wrote: so he could claim he didnt have control over it. yeah i understand that, i am thinking why does he do that? who's mafia so he thinks none of the threads split that way lynches mafia? | ||
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i am sorry maybe it's my fault but he literally looks super fucking town to me now when he cannot end his reads with "could be this could be that" lol ^^ | ||
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2. Hapahauli 3. Grackaroni 4. Onegu 5. Dirkzor 6. Acrofales (mafia) 7. ShoCkeyy 8. Alakaslam 9. Tictock 10. Koshi 11. Raynpelikoneet 12. Yamato77 now who gets lynched who is not mafia in each thread? maybe shockeyy was the assumed scapegoat in the second thread. Maybe acrofales was the only mafia in first thread? I wouldnt bank on onegu/grack 1v1 and you definitely dont want to lynch yourself and you cannot pretty much lynch anyone out of iamp/hapa/dirk. | ||
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On October 30 2020 20:28 Acrofales wrote: Sweet! No NK and I wasn't roleblocked. Something weird happened. Shockeyy isn't supposed to be here, I don't think. It isn't entirely clear how the split works, but I thought it was by player list, and we should have Iamp here, not Shockeyy... Bus driver or something? Oh, and I got a PM that I'm a planeteer. Lets explore space together. @Koshi: you can't answer me, but pretty sure your ability can't have been this. This is about as close to an innocent child role I'm gonna get in a greymist game. It's absurd how good this ability is. We should even be able to use it afterward as a list cop ability, as I assume each side has at least 1 mafia or it'd screw over town. Too bad I got stuck with all the scummers over here. @dirkzor: still think you're town, and I think hapa is 3p. So has to be onegu, grack or shockeyyy, who got put here through some kind of voodoo. I smelt town on grack early on, so we lynch onegu or shockeyy. Will filter them this afternoon. I think this indicates that Acrofales already knows or assumes his thread is going to be Grack vs Onegu. | ||
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On November 03 2020 02:45 iamperfection wrote: or he hoped it would be. I think trying to get in the head of someone we know was trying to deceive us is just gonna get us go in circles. yeah i know. But aside from deceiving i think there is this fact that mafia generally doesnt want to kill their players of their own. It kinda makes me think Onegu is town. | ||
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On November 03 2020 02:46 ShoCkeyy wrote: It’s hard to say we had more than one mafia in our thread. That would mean they bussed their partner during the vote. and this too | ||
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On November 03 2020 03:01 Dirkzor wrote: I still think Onegu is scum. So i read this like Onegu and Acro bussed the hell out of eachother and now Onegu is trying to get us to lynch in the other grp since he is under suspicion. Its possible but i dont believe it. Onegu doesnt have any credit to try to make people do something and i am pretty sure he knows it. | ||
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On November 03 2020 03:15 Koshi wrote: It is insane how bad yamato is and how annoying he is. I try to communicate but I have no clue how the things he quote make me mafia. He is saying you said you dont wanna waste time on shockeyy's claim and then all your posts after that are about shockeyy's claim. | ||
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On November 03 2020 03:23 Koshi wrote: Timeline is wrong no? But even then. Why is that mafia? Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. Am I not allowed to think Shockey is mafia? I said so maby times that even though I suspect him, I do not see him as a direct lynch. Not anymore you're not allowed to do so. You don't think it's going against what you just said? Timeline is not wrong. | ||
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On November 03 2020 03:26 Koshi wrote: Very clearly I said to lynch acro. I jumped on acro immediately. And in our thread I said to lynch Slam which is still very much likely the correct idea. It is not my fault you dumbasses killed a mindmelded townie and now want to kill the townie who stood up for him. Like if TTTTT is town you fuckers completely misread him, and refused to believe another townie claiming a full mindmeld. You know how sgitty that is? I wouldn't lynch you at least before i know either TT flips mafia or Slam flips town. I don't know about others. | ||
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I mean: If TT is mafia and Slam is town there is a decent chance Koshi is mafia. If TT is town and Slam is mafia Koshi is always town i think. If TT and Slam are both mafia then Koshi is obviously always town If TT and Slam are both town then Koshi is always mafia. | ||
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On November 03 2020 03:52 Koshi wrote: Meh. Then I would likely go to the other group again and look deeply in Onegu and Grack. Yamato ruined this day with his dumb shit. But clearly it was in a way effective because he even turned hapa. And TTTTT flipping town does not look so fucking good to me at allllllll for our group I dont care about yamato stuff. Which one of Grack / Onegu then and why? And why doesn't TT flipping town look really good on you? You have been telliing everyone is idiot mainly because of that? | ||
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On November 03 2020 04:07 Hapahauli wrote: Dirk was responsible for Level 1. I am referring to the increase from Level 1 to Level 2. AFAIK, I don't think we ever got a complete list of who claimed to visit the Database on Night 0. On November 01 2020 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Alakaslam (no) Tictock Koshi (no) Raynpelikoneet (no) Yamato77 (yes) Iamperfection (yes) Hapahauli (roleblocked, so no) Grackaroni (no) Onegu Dirkzor (no) Acrofales (confirmed no) ShoCkeyy (no) [/QUOTE] | ||
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On November 03 2020 04:30 Grackaroni wrote: The idea is that people will think Acro is trying to include his scum buddy (Koshi) even though he hadn't posted yet. I don't see town looking through a filter and seeing that as the most pertinent information worth quoting. I think the simplest explanation is that Acro included all europeans in his post and dirkzor just failed to see that. | ||
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You seriously think so? I mean, if TT ends up being town and Slam mafia, then Koshi has had the best reads in this game. No matter how much he is or isnt trying to convince people he has still had the best reads hands down. And that's something you will kever even consider lynching before lylo when all cards will be put on table. | ||
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I am nalking about slam here. Because the scenario we are talking about includes slam being mafia. Are you saying you didnt vote for TT after all? Or are you saying you voted for TT but didnt actually think he is mafia???? If not either, then its you know like... proven that koshis reads have been better on flipped people assuming the scenario we are talking about here. Idk why this is so hard to understand. | ||
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I am not talking about slam here. | ||
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On November 03 2020 16:43 Dirkzor wrote: Maybe he is trying to say he have a scumtell on koshi because "antagonistic to people trying to build trust and consensus." "His posts read as smug... and that's a general scumtell in my book." Maybe. But in any case if thats the case and TT flips town and Slam flips mafia we should not consider lynching Koshi before lylo. Because even if he hasnt pushed people "hard enough" or has been unable to work with people he has been right. | ||
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On October 29 2020 04:30 yamato77 wrote: I truly did not want to play with rayn and I regret that I am in this game already You have gone very far from where you started at. | ||
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I am not saying it is impossible. I am jsut curious because: 1) yamato called Acrofales mafia ,if not as the first person in the game, at least among the first ones. 2) yamato wanted to lynch Slam, from what i know he only voted for TT because me and iamp were on TT and well whatever he said about TT not posting. Those are also your "town credits". I dont think you have any better explained reads on TT or Slam than yamato has, as i dont think your post on why TT is super duper town actually makes him super duper town. On Acro you sheeped yamato's read originally, not the other way around. Why is it super fucking bullshit to think you are mafia but not super fucking bullshit to think yamato is mafia? | ||
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I dont think you have any better explained reads on TT or Slam than yamato has Maybe you do now, on Slam. | ||
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On November 03 2020 23:11 Dirkzor wrote: I agree this was bad. I posted the same thing earlier. He also forgot to add that with Acro flip we have way more info in the main thread compared to off-thread. He also happens to be in the main thread and pointing we should lynch in off-thread why is that bad? | ||
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On October 30 2020 20:32 Acrofales wrote: I hear a whisper from another dimension. I think it's... koshi. Talking about the hidden votes? Defo not me. Hell, even the daypost says that isn't me. Koshi was this you? | ||
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On November 04 2020 00:15 iamperfection wrote: bolding is the same thing as editing why didnt you poop on this? | ||
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On November 04 2020 01:23 Onegu wrote: Never said he was... I have no thought on him one way or the other... Then why is there 100% mafia in our thread? | ||
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On November 03 2020 05:17 Hapahauli wrote: This is really interesting, and I think it heavily discounts the Onegu mafia theory. If you are Acro and set up the threads in this way, who is the mislynch target in 1-6? Onegu and Grack are the only realistic mislynch targets here. Acro doesn't really attempt to push Grack at all, and instead pushes Onegu and Shockeyy for most of the day. So we have to believe that Onegu and Acro had a plan to bus each other hard for town cred (unlikely, given how inactive Onegu was and generally is), or that Acro's motivations have more face-value to them. The other thing that sticks out to me is Acro's attempt to goad me into shooting Onegu: Now I was Roleblocked (seemingly by mafia), so this may have been an "empty" play by Acro. However, if Acro seriously thinks I have KP, and he successfully "convinces" me into shooting Onegu, mafia is committed to Roleblock me for the rest of the game. I am inclined to take Acro's words at face value once again - mafia generally don't goad third parties into shooting scumbuddies. Literally i said every piece of this shit. You can just say i agree with rayn. | ||
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On November 04 2020 01:35 iamperfection wrote: i dont understand your mad he stole some of your ideas and made them easier to understand ? i am not mad? he could have quoted me and said i agree with rayn instead of writing my words again. It's not really hapa-like imo. | ||
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On November 04 2020 01:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Then why is there 100% mafia in our thread? Onegu answer or die. | ||
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On November 04 2020 01:41 Onegu wrote: I did no you did not. you wanted to look at our thread AFTER TT died. Why is TT not mafia? | ||
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On November 04 2020 01:48 iamperfection wrote: yeah were not killing hapa until we absolutely have to. He isnt on the scum team. i know i am just saying what i think. i think he is not being honest even with his reads atm. On November 03 2020 05:17 Hapahauli wrote: This is really interesting, and I think it heavily discounts the Onegu mafia theory. If you are Acro and set up the threads in this way, who is the mislynch target in 1-6? Onegu and Grack are the only realistic mislynch targets here. Acro doesn't really attempt to push Grack at all, and instead pushes Onegu and Shockeyy for most of the day. So we have to believe that Onegu and Acro had a plan to bus each other hard for town cred (unlikely, given how inactive Onegu was and generally is), or that Acro's motivations have more face-value to them. The other thing that sticks out to me is Acro's attempt to goad me into shooting Onegu: [...] this is very bullshit-hapa. i dont know what it means and i dont really care if he wins and leaves the game but this is still very bullshit-hapa. 100% piggyback into making it look like it was him. | ||
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On October 28 2020 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: WHATCHA GONNA DO NOW BIATCHHHHHH?????? | ||
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On November 04 2020 02:04 Koshi wrote: Not in the immediate future. Let's say that outside pooping a lot of posts that don't make me mafia he hasn't done jack shit today. But his D1 was acceptable and don't see why he is mafia atm. i thought you both wanted to lynch the same person? | ||
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On November 04 2020 02:09 Koshi wrote: I"ll answer differently. If Slam flips town, TTTTT flips town. I must look at somebody else in our group and that would be yamato. Not Hapa. But till that happens I do not want to murder yamato scumhunting wise. what does that have to do with if you want to give mayor to yamato or dirkzor today? | ||
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On November 04 2020 02:12 Koshi wrote: As long as it is not yamato I am happy. why? he wants to lynch slam, you want to lynch slam. why bad? even if he is mafia why is that bad? | ||
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On November 04 2020 02:14 Koshi wrote: I do not want to vote Yamato. The End. Please show me the possible mafia mindset behind that and I"ll continue this conversation. Literally anybody would most likely do what the thread says. I don't want it to be yamato. Cuz he is irrationally pushing me all day. HOW IS THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND? fine. i think you are at best stupid and we are voting for yamato, so whatever you are fearing you may fear until eod. | ||
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On November 04 2020 02:14 Koshi wrote: Please show me the possible mafia mindset behind that and I"ll continue this conversation. I don't want it to be yamato. Cuz he is irrationally pushing me all day. | ||
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On November 04 2020 02:52 iamperfection wrote: what do you think of dirkzor's self vote for mayor ? i dont think dirkzor can sway the vote in any way if he is mafia. | ||
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On November 03 2020 05:17 Hapahauli wrote: This is really interesting, and I think it heavily discounts the Onegu mafia theory. If you are Acro and set up the threads in this way, who is the mislynch target in 1-6? Onegu and Grack are the only realistic mislynch targets here. Acro doesn't really attempt to push Grack at all, and instead pushes Onegu and Shockeyy for most of the day. So we have to believe that Onegu and Acro had a plan to bus each other hard for town cred (unlikely, given how inactive Onegu was and generally is), or that Acro's motivations have more face-value to them. The other thing that sticks out to me is Acro's attempt to goad me into shooting Onegu: Now I was Roleblocked (seemingly by mafia), so this may have been an "empty" play by Acro. However, if Acro seriously thinks I have KP, and he successfully "convinces" me into shooting Onegu, mafia is committed to Roleblock me for the rest of the game. I am inclined to take Acro's words at face value once again - mafia generally don't goad third parties into shooting scumbuddies. first post is not town it's a rehash On November 03 2020 05:34 Hapahauli wrote: Let's look at the hypothetical scenario of "scum-Grack" where the declared votes in-thread are: Acro (5): Hapa, Grack, Shockeyy, Onegu, Dirkzor Onegu (1): Acro ... in the 5 vote scenario, it doesn't matter what a "scumbuddy" does - Acro still dies, making the scummer's action a moot issue. I believe this is what everyone thought the vote-count was going into the lynch. Now let's play the 4 vote scenario with "Scum-Grack" with how the vote count actually played out. Acro (4): Hapa, Grack, Onegu, Dirkzor Dirk (1): Shockeyy Onegu (1): Acro If Dirk swaps his vote to create a no lynch, the effect is the following: 1) Acro is confirmed mafia; 2) Shockeyy is confirmed town. 3) Exactly 1 mafia is in the group of "Hapa/Grack/Onegu/Dirk", which means that 0-3 players can be confirmed town if that mafia dies. I don't think that is a great outcome for mafia. this is not good worst posts hapa did all game. | ||
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If Dirk swaps his vote to create a no lynch, the effect is the following: 1) Acro is confirmed mafia; 2) Shockeyy is confirmed town. 3) Exactly 1 mafia is in the group of "Hapa/Grack/Onegu/Dirk", which means that 0-3 players can be confirmed town if that mafia dies. And how is this outcome worse than what it is atm? | ||
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2) Shockeyy is confirmed town. -- yes 3) Exactly 1 mafia is in the group of "Hapa/Grack/Onegu/Dirk", which means that 0-3 players can be confirmed town if that mafia dies. --- is it? | ||
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0-3 players can be confirmed town if that mafia dies it's an upside that ZERO players might not be able to confirmed? really hapa? really.............. i know about statistics and if your chances are from 0 to 3 then you are as good as nothing. | ||
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call me scummy for trying to sway the lynch away from mafia idc. another thing is that i wanna see TT flip before i decide if to lynch slam or not, and hapa being very not town gave me a chance to try. | ||
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On November 04 2020 03:27 iamperfection wrote: He was talking from mafias perspective what no? lol | ||
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On November 04 2020 03:32 iamperfection wrote: Like hapa is most responsible for getting acro he had the most sway in that thread he is a non issue. Plus I need him for a little bit anyways. sure. dont blame me though if he blows the game away or something. i just want to kill him because he is not town. | ||
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On November 04 2020 03:33 iamperfection wrote: He was talking about the secret voting in response to my question why any of the 4 voters would not just lie if they were mafia. Okay let's say we dont even care about wht we are talking about. "0-3 players confirmed town" how good is that? :D | ||
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On November 04 2020 03:39 Dirkzor wrote: I think basicly it all town arguing between themselves at this point. Our finest job is to just stay the course and dont fuck it up. Which you are doing rayn. hi do you need hapa dead in order to win? | ||
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On November 04 2020 03:41 iamperfection wrote: I don't think you understand what he is saying. He is saying that if someone lied about their vote and they flip at a later point it confirms the other voters as town and outs acro which is why bussing isn't dumb. okay. and what does that have to do with other things i said? hapa's posts were not smart. they were ugh.. i dont even know what the word is for that. fuck can we play in finnish? | ||
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There is no downside, we want to see TT flip anyways. You probably wont but i wish you were. | ||
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On November 04 2020 03:53 iamperfection wrote: if hapa gets killed im taking it as a scum claim he will provide information that i need. is this like cult or something? | ||
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On November 04 2020 03:56 iamperfection wrote: no i can find out who roleblocked him. if he lives this day? | ||
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On November 03 2020 06:23 Hapahauli wrote: Also FWIW, I intend to essentially claim my role at the end of N2, including what my 3p win condition is. At this point, I believe I can satisfy my condition while simultaneously being pro-town. I assumed he can win N2, D2 N2 what's the difference? | ||
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On November 04 2020 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: he is not helping town since D1 period. On November 04 2020 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: hapa is not helping the town 100% Do you disagree? | ||
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On November 02 2020 21:47 Hapahauli wrote: I shot TT. Iamp says *crickets' i dont believe it. | ||
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On November 02 2020 07:39 iamperfection wrote: in addition to the above post Being dumb is now policy lynched any BS about i didnt read the thread i didnt send my vote i changed my vote without telling anyone will die. Just lynch Onegu. | ||
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On November 04 2020 04:49 Hapahauli wrote: Dear Rayn, Everyone takes different joys from a game of mafia. Personally, I get my sole satisfaction from this game from lynching correctly, and nothing else in this game comes close. From my conversations with you, you seem to, rather admirably, enjoy the arguments, the drama, and the "puzzle" of the thread. Maybe there is some grand conspiracy in this game. Maybe Acro was part of a larger scheme. Maybe I am the leader of a sleeper cell slowly finding my compatriots. Maybe I have some nefarious 3p mechanic that is slowly converting townies to my cause and turning into my Army of horse minions. I already got Yamato clearly. Who's next? But unfortunately, I either know or doubt most of that to be true. Why? Because this is a boring game. This is a boring game where a mafia player got lynched on Day 1. There was zero resistance to his lynch on a day with hidden ballots. There was zero resistance to his lynch on a day where town was thrown into chaos with parallel worlds. This is not because of some grand conspiracy. This is because mafia is likely playing inactively and badly. If you want to look down rabbit holes, then so be it. You find it fun, so part of you no doubt wants to believe the game isn't boring and explore those holes. But it's not fun for me. It shits up the thread, makes it harder for me to read, and harder for me to find mafia. And I won't play that game with you, even if I get lynched for it. Warmest Regards, Hapa I enjoy thinking and getting into bottom of why people actually think what they do. It seems like a lot of people are actually like way fucking dumber than i have expected. And i dont care. I dont care what i say. But you, i dont think you are dumber than expected. Maybe you are "town" and have town's best interest in your mind. But i dont believe it. This post doesnt make me believe it anymore than i did or didnt, this is like yamato's post about me being "mean", just that he had balls to call me mean and you did not. I don't believe you. You prolly got everyone else in your pocket but not me. And why do you even care since i said i dont care?  | ||
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On November 04 2020 05:01 Onegu wrote: I power up.. I will never get shot by scum how many games I have played here now? I have been shot by scum 1 time I think... I seriously think you hit the liquor early today... You know I love you Rayn you are one of my favorite people on this site, but chill the fuck out. If you think as veteran your best play is to call a shot on you and play like you did it makes you even more mafia. Maybe you're just onegu and shit but everyone tells me to play for the easiest answer and this is it. You're mafia because you need top get shot and you play like you are never gonna get shot ever in the world. | ||
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On November 04 2020 05:14 Onegu wrote: I make myself the lynch and blocking all NK is worth it don't you think... you eat a vigi shot (as you wanted to), to have a no lynch and a no-NK (so a wasted cycle). how is that pro town? if you are town. | ||
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On November 04 2020 05:20 iamperfection wrote: we are like each others favorite people to play with thats why we dont fight. Plus he is clearly not on the scum team and i am clearly not scum. unless you are scumteam #2 when you can scumhunt anyways. i know you are each others favorites or whatever but like you are not even blinking an eye on the shit he says. either you're gonna be sad when he says i was right after the game when he fucked us as 3p or you are scummers with him. | ||
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On November 04 2020 05:23 iamperfection wrote: your full claim seems to be lacking a lot of details. some at least, maybe | ||
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On November 04 2020 05:25 Dirkzor wrote: Yo rayn. I've explained why you can have both hapa and iamp as scum. But you can have one or the other: Which to do you find the most scum hapa or iamp? Or is it hapa 3p and iamp scum? huh? | ||
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On November 04 2020 05:27 iamperfection wrote: like you take some word choice and go off the deep end because of it. I questioned hapa a lot. I dont even fully believe he isnt hiding stuff but if you look at most of the evidence he is clearly not on the scum team as he provided a lot of weight in killing acro. Claimed 3p in such a strange way it implies his win condition is very weird and is not part of the scum team there are just so many people that need to die before him. i agree. while town has played very well we might lose because random shit. | ||
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On November 04 2020 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: i agree. while town has played very well we might lose because random shit. you cant convince me on this one though iamp. Hapa's word choice is either scum or anti town. | ||
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On November 04 2020 05:35 Koshi wrote: We are up 1-0 and have an immortal doctor. And dirkzor is going to rain nukes on mafia in 2 days now? Ez game ez life i am also immortal and basically onegu's role :o | ||
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On November 04 2020 05:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i go back to what i was D0 every day start unless i was roleblocked D0 which yamato confirmed i was not so there you go. | ||
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On November 04 2020 05:55 iamperfection wrote: if me and hapa were on a second scum team we would be winning by so much right now lul you are ? | ||
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On November 04 2020 06:06 iamperfection wrote: he gave insights you just hate them. can you show me one quote? | ||
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On November 04 2020 06:10 iamperfection wrote: yes but he expanded on them and made them easier to understand we are going in a circle and your starting to bore me. show me how? show me one thing he expanded on in comparison to me please. | ||
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On November 04 2020 06:12 Onegu wrote: I was starting to think rayn was scum but now he says he is also a time traveler I am second guessing it i am also saying i am immortal. | ||
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On November 04 2020 06:11 yamato77 wrote: -licks fondly- -licks fondly- -licks fondly- -licks fondly- -licks fondly- -licks fondly- -licks fondly- -licks fondly- -licks fondly- -licks fondly- -licks fondly- -licks fondly- -licks fondly- -licks fondly- -licks fondly- -licks fondly--licks fondly--licks fondly- you probably like this a lot yamato, because you dont like me. but it doesnt really say anythig. | ||
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On November 04 2020 06:13 iamperfection wrote: the whole thing that started this conversation im on phone you mean the post where he basically quoted me and wrote it on his own words? | ||
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On November 03 2020 05:17 Hapahauli wrote: This is really interesting, and I think it heavily discounts the Onegu mafia theory. If you are Acro and set up the threads in this way, who is the mislynch target in 1-6? Onegu and Grack are the only realistic mislynch targets here. Acro doesn't really attempt to push Grack at all, and instead pushes Onegu and Shockeyy for most of the day. So we have to believe that Onegu and Acro had a plan to bus each other hard for town cred (unlikely, given how inactive Onegu was and generally is), or that Acro's motivations have more face-value to them. This is all nothing but what i said. Literally nothing else than what i said before, hapa just +1'd me. NOTHING. NOT A SINGLE THING. if you take out the below, which is completely role-related: The other thing that sticks out to me is Acro's attempt to goad me into shooting Onegu: Now I was Roleblocked (seemingly by mafia), so this may have been an "empty" play by Acro. However, if Acro seriously thinks I have KP, and he successfully "convinces" me into shooting Onegu, mafia is committed to Roleblock me for the rest of the game. I am inclined to take Acro's words at face value once again - mafia generally don't goad third parties into shooting scumbuddies. he was roleblocked, seemingly by mafia. Okay what else? Analysis of how he was rb'd by mafia and what it means. super deep lengths? okay you may say that, how is that deeper than my analysis when i dont know what he does? in the end he wants to take acro's words by face value, i do too, to some point, iamp DOES NOT, but still hapa went to different lengths in analysis than i did. What the fuck man? | ||
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On November 04 2020 06:24 iamperfection wrote: i found his post easier to understand i didn't get what you were going with the first post at first. i even made multiple posts after that on the same subject, it's not my fault you cannot understand them. Also if my post there is less "readable" than hapa's (even if i dont speak english as my mother tongue) then lol... i might have wanted to use other words but just lol... | ||
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On November 04 2020 06:24 iamperfection wrote: i found his post easier to understand i didn't get what you were going with the first post at first. you even talked about it with me before he posted???? | ||
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On November 04 2020 06:43 iamperfection wrote: its in onegu, tt, slam, and dirk and outside chance koshi. can i ask why? with TT being mafia or not being mafia. | ||
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On November 04 2020 06:51 iamperfection wrote: his posts were to good. if i had to guess he actually isnt though looking through his filter real quick. whose? | ||
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On November 04 2020 06:51 iamperfection wrote: his posts were to good. if i had to guess he actually isnt though looking through his filter real quick. and you didnt even tell me who is mafia. | ||
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On November 04 2020 06:43 iamperfection wrote: its in onegu, tt, slam, and dirk and outside chance koshi. okay and why, but TT is not mafia after all so does it change anything or? | ||
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On November 04 2020 06:51 iamperfection wrote: his posts were to good. if i had to guess he actually isnt though looking through his filter real quick. dumbest iamperfection post of all game. | ||
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On November 04 2020 07:12 iamperfection wrote: you know what im gonna say it im happy your not up for mayor. you totally are, i agree | ||
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On November 04 2020 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Q: hey how are these people you called mafia, indeed mafia? A: ah this one person is not now that i think about it fu this also applies | ||
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On November 04 2020 07:21 iamperfection wrote: no it isn't. Mafia posts sometimes look very clean. Town members are more likely to get into fights and show aggression. His posts are very smart and may be because he has extra information. However if i have to guess with a gun to my head he will flip town thats all im saying and its just a gut feeling really it could be wrong i dont know its a mute point anyways. but you voted for him? | ||
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On November 04 2020 07:22 iamperfection wrote: when did hapa and me become gods of course we make mistakes. not by your words heh ^^ idk about hapa but you. | ||
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On November 04 2020 07:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: well it's okay you can just tell who is mafia and why? | ||
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On November 04 2020 07:31 iamperfection wrote: i said i am guessing he isnt im not sure. Yamato is town why would he bus acro like that it wasnt needed. He caused the suspicion to be raised on acro in the first place after you. i dont think i caused suspicion on acro? | ||
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On November 04 2020 07:33 iamperfection wrote: yes you did i called him town and you disagreed how is that causing suspicion? i think it was weak | ||
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On November 04 2020 07:35 iamperfection wrote: I presume I was RB’d by mafia N0 means hes presuming that mafia did it not that hes presuming he was role blocked at all it's shockeyy | ||
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On November 04 2020 07:40 ShoCkeyy wrote: Only one claim of rb per night has happened, and I doubt that town would have it unless mafia is actually stupid strong. But i just don't think town does have a rb, because I got rb second night, but that's it, one claim of rb per night can only mean there's only one roleblocker. why does that throw the theory out of the window? | ||
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On November 04 2020 07:31 ShoCkeyy wrote: So, check this out. Hapa claims RB without even knowing if RB gets a pm, then immediately knows to vote Acro D1. Why do you need to presume you were RB? Why do you need to check 4 days later if RB are notified? You definitely would have been notified. Hapa? | ||
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On November 04 2020 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is all nothing but what i said. Literally nothing else than what i said before, hapa just +1'd me. NOTHING. NOT A SINGLE THING. if you take out the below, which is completely role-related: he was roleblocked, seemingly by mafia. Okay what else? Analysis of how he was rb'd by mafia and what it means. super deep lengths? okay you may say that, how is that deeper than my analysis when i dont know what he does? in the end he wants to take acro's words by face value, i do too, to some point, iamp DOES NOT, but still hapa went to different lengths in analysis than i did. What the fuck man? i stand by this. good night for real now | ||
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On November 05 2020 10:48 iamperfection wrote: so just slam and grack go to the database agreed ? Yes. Slam and Grack go. | ||
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On October 31 2020 02:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: People who went to the database: Alakaslam (no) Tictock Koshi (no) Raynpelikoneet (no) Yamato77 (yes) Iamperfection (yes) Hapahauli (roleblocked, so no) Grackaroni (no) Onegu Dirkzor (no) Acrofales (confirmed no) ShoCkeyy (no) Now use your brain for a moment. Let me help you a little bit, iamp is also confirmed town. | ||
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On November 05 2020 21:06 Hapahauli wrote: We know that Iamp/Shockeyy we’re busdriven N0, so dirk’s action points to Shockeyy, not iamp... no? Also, I have a tracking result. I am seeking further clarification. Maybe dirk is just messing with us? | ||
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On November 05 2020 21:53 Hapahauli wrote: This is why I think we need to full claim and coordinate actions, because there's enough to go on with these night actions where we can work together to verify claims and identify lairs. I just identified Grackaroni as 100% not mafia and Slam pretty much always mafia. | ||
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On November 05 2020 21:55 Hapahauli wrote: Ahhh, sick. Let's confirm that Grack visited first. What does it matter? If he didn't go i still went. So he also went. | ||
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I checked Grack (obviously) and Grack hasn't used any parts of his role. So he cannot be mafia. And Slam is lying. | ||
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zizyo, i hope hapa doesnt actually win with town. "plausible mafia" my ass. | ||
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On November 05 2020 22:01 Koshi wrote: TT was alive still as well. I just saved iamp. Twice. Maybe. maybe you are right. | ||
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If shockeyy is mafia he has, instead of busdriving iamp, roleblocked and bus driven) hapa N0. That's a fact. But that doesn't make any sense because iamp made hapa a planeteer N0 so shockeyy should be a planeteer instead of hapa. Only roleblock hapa doesnt make any sense because slam claims he can stop busdriving. Why do you put a role that can stop something that's not in the game? And also if that was the case Dirkzor's check shoudl return iamp instead of shockeyy. | ||
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On November 05 2020 22:12 Hapahauli wrote: So mafia knew that the threads would be split 2-7 and 1+8-12, and the plan was to have Acro/Shockey hardcore bus each other in Thread A? apparently, in Koshi's mind. on the other hand slam just lied about his role. | ||
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because the planeteer thing would hit shockeyy instead of hapa. | ||
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On November 05 2020 22:18 Koshi wrote: I must have missed some things because I have seen this planeteer thing with the mayor votes be discussed but I have no clue what it is. iamp can make people planeteers? And he targeted hapa n0? So why would Shockey get it then? iamp made 5 people planeteers. If shocekyy had driven and roleblocked hapa, iamp's power would hit him instead hapa. But it's irrelevant because iamp had to do it D0 rather than N0, since N0 he went to the database. | ||
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has anyone visited hapa n0? | ||
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On November 05 2020 22:26 iamperfection wrote: Since I had no choice in that I had to select planeteers I could visit database and select. It was my understanding that the choices could not be role blocked or redirected. can you ask? | ||
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On November 05 2020 22:28 Grackaroni wrote: I don't follow why Iamp would have to be mafia though. idk, who is saying that? I am saying it's impossilbe. | ||
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On November 05 2020 22:31 Grackaroni wrote: I guess I don't understand the bolded part, but there are probably some things that I've missed from lack of reading. iamp confirmed went to the database N0. Unless mafia knows what the corruption level rising does. Therefore iamp cannot roleblock anyone N0. Also why hasn't mafia killed anyone until now? no mafia was roleblocked and only mafia was saved N0-N1 if iamp is mafia (both shockeyy and Koshi have claimed to save iamp N0 and Koshi N1). | ||
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On November 05 2020 22:34 Grackaroni wrote: Oh nvm I just got it. Because Dirkzor targeted Iamp. when was this and what did he see? | ||
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SLAM ON THE OTHER HAND LIED ABOUT HIS ROLE!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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On November 04 2020 23:28 Alakaslam wrote: Yeah by the way people I am now going no matter what. I don’t affect the counter. The question should be who else goes now. I am like nobody going because low voltage. I think that changes with corruption? On November 05 2020 03:14 Alakaslam wrote: Right, iirc if no one goes (which my solo visit would do) then it goes up. On November 05 2020 16:12 Alakaslam wrote: Plus remember, I don’t count. Maybe I forgot to state that? I’m trying to not directly quote my pm. I don’t contribute to the database corruption in either direction. If I were solo, it would corrupt since technically no one visited. lies lies lies. | ||
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On November 05 2020 22:45 Koshi wrote: Dirkzor for sure is not messing with us. That would be evul x 1000000. 100% sure. Ok. So let's say iamp and Shockey were really bussdriven and Dirkzor has now a check on Shockey that is not the same as Onegu. Why is Shockey town then? I dont care. Youre asking stupid shit. Let's say you are in fact mafia. Who would you think is mafia? | ||
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On November 05 2020 22:47 Koshi wrote: And Shockey fakeclaims it happened to him N1? So what is shockeyy then? Just happened to claim bus-driver when there is a DIRECT nullifying role to him without knowing there is? I don't believe it. | ||
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On November 05 2020 22:48 Koshi wrote: Like who was RB last night? Shockey will claim it again I guess..... Nha Shockey is mafia. Doesn't make sense otherwise. why is slam lying about his role as town? why is slam lying about his role as town? why is slam lying about his role as town? why is slam lying about his role as town? why is slam lying about his role as town? | ||
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On November 05 2020 22:55 Grackaroni wrote: I think I see. So we had 9 alive and a majority is 5, so then us 3 going made up more than half a majority if Slam counts counts as well. Yes i even asked about it so was sure it is a good idea to go. | ||
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On November 05 2020 22:55 ShoCkeyy wrote: I’m not mafia you ignorants... I literally can save people, that’s my role... I’m pro town and been pro town. I targeted Hapa last night with my role. You were not roleblocked? | ||
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On November 05 2020 22:57 ShoCkeyy wrote: Dirk literally claims iamp and onegu aren’t the same role, and some how Koshi and Hapa are saying dirk checked me... can you guys read? You drove yourself and iamp as per your words so Dirk checked YOU instead of iamp. So yeah, full claim right now without leaving anything out. | ||
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On November 05 2020 22:58 iamperfection wrote: you said you were a bus driver lol ?? well he has to be if he is mafia ^^ | ||
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On November 05 2020 22:59 ShoCkeyy wrote: Wtf is bus drive. It just says it redirects any actions a persons has done to them to myself if I’m protecting. Yeah dirk checked iamp so he actually checked you. you have now a mafia check on you because onegu is confirmed dead town. | ||
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On November 04 2020 07:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: it's shockeyy | ||
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On November 05 2020 23:05 Koshi wrote: omg. then I shot you N0 and mafia potentially healed you. what? | ||
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Once during the day, i can target a player and and name a phase.The next same phase (night or day -- if i name day phase then day etc) they will be returned to whatever status they had at the beginning of the phase i named. They will also be forced to perform the same action on the same target they did that phase. That does not include factional KP. Also all actions that hit them that phase will happen again, aside from roleblocks and docs. So i found the loophole in matrix. Start of every day phase i go to what i was day 0 and i need to use my shit on myself again. Only thing that can shit my shit up is if i was roleblocked D0 (and therefore not allowed to use my action there because of it). I think hosts didn't think i think i can self-target, but hey, my role PM doesn't say i can so i did | ||
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On November 05 2020 23:46 iamperfection wrote: so you did know why you became invalid for mayor because you were no longer a planeter not at the time when it was said it was not possible for me, i even asked about it. well i asked if i was SUPPOSED to be a planeteer in the first place and i got no as answer. but yeah i suspected it after. | ||
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On November 05 2020 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: not at the time when it was said it was not possible for me, i even asked about it. well i asked if i was SUPPOSED to be a planeteer in the first place and i got no as answer. but yeah i suspected it after. i am supposed to be planeteer now though? :D | ||
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On November 05 2020 23:49 Hapahauli wrote: @ Rayn So you used your role as uselessly as possible? Not true. Originally I was playing "bad enough to not get killed N0". That's why i made the claim on shockeyy and shit. If i die N0 then i am never gonna do anything. When i figured out that's not what i even need to do -- stay alive, i used it on myself. I dont think dead people can use abilities on other people (i mean if i died N0 and targeted someone else, they would not revive forever). Original plan was to target iamp, most likely D1. | ||
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On November 05 2020 23:56 iamperfection wrote: its useless as far as i am aware now though but i could be special? | ||
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On November 05 2020 23:49 Hapahauli wrote: @ Rayn So you used your role as uselessly as possible? well you are right i did, if i am bad at this game. Am i? Or you mad? | ||
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On November 06 2020 00:00 Hapahauli wrote: Are you sure that your role allows people to be continuously revived? No. The next same phase (night or day -- if i name day phase then day etc) they will be returned to whatever status they had at the beginning of the phase i named. if i do that to MYSELF D0 that it is what happens, not with other people. because if i am dead i cannot use my action on them again (as i am dead). | ||
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On November 06 2020 00:02 Hapahauli wrote: i.e confirming that "death" is a reversible status for the purposes of game mechanics? yes | ||
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On November 06 2020 00:10 iamperfection wrote: like he has to be lying about his role no ? he says corruption gave it to him. i dont believe it. | ||
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On November 06 2020 00:14 Hapahauli wrote: To my knowledge, we have never confirmed if mafia can simultaneously deliver KP and take another role-based night action (i.e. Roleblock or visit the database). Greymist confirmed to me that town is not privy to this information. too OP for town if not. | ||
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On November 06 2020 00:16 iamperfection wrote: he killed all the mafia you really think he (or anyone) would have even considered killing TT if not me? | ||
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On October 30 2020 02:54 ShoCkeyy wrote: slight mafia lean slam - he's having a baby. best read in the game | ||
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On November 06 2020 00:26 Alakaslam wrote: Well this also makes sense with my role so at 3 corruption it’s what I got. SAM on sterioids. why did you lie about your role? | ||
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On November 06 2020 00:46 Alakaslam wrote: I wanted to lynch rayn and then retracted it and want ShoCkeyy to explain what info he got on hapa and why he chose hapa? why does shockeyy have info on hapa? | ||
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On November 06 2020 00:49 Hapahauli wrote: Or it's Grack because he is sitting back and watching all this shit happen. That's what my gut says. youre just dumb or trying to survive. | ||
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On November 06 2020 00:50 Alakaslam wrote: I frankly think one of the more experienced players is it. All this is too confusing but maybe that’s why it is time to clear the dreck and let the big boys handle this one. so what did shockeyy do? | ||
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On November 06 2020 00:50 iamperfection wrote: you just want to be right about everything + Show Spoiler + shh dont tell him i already cleared grack | ||
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On November 06 2020 00:51 Alakaslam wrote: Doesn’t he get what he does to me? After also taking my role so he gets my immunity too (so info without affecting database but since I went I did/etc?) so you dont have info on shockeyy? | ||
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On November 06 2020 00:53 Grackaroni wrote: It really can't be me though unless mafia has a role that isn't worth using for 3 turns. like roleblocker? | ||
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On November 06 2020 00:57 Hapahauli wrote: Underlined. Is the effect of this choice to confirm if they have activated some part of their role for the duration of the game or just during a limited amount of time (current cycle)? all game, including that phase. | ||
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On November 06 2020 01:03 Grackaroni wrote: Oh right. Well I wouldn't have even killed him if he wasn't mafia he was going to be 3rd party. and leave the game too so who cares. | ||
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On November 06 2020 01:05 yamato77 wrote: Rayn tried to kill two mafia at once, in both threads. wow. Then he told the liar scum is scum but i lynched someone else (truth to be told it wasnt confirmed). - licks fondly - | ||
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On November 06 2020 01:10 yamato77 wrote: Koshi will die at the end of the day phase So if it's you Koshi plz scumclaim can you please let me know why you decided to do that? it doesnt make any sense to me. | ||
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On November 06 2020 01:13 yamato77 wrote: too confusing. too much bs going on there. no bs if slam is just lying. | ||
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On November 06 2020 01:15 yamato77 wrote: Also I had to lynch Onegu yesterday because I knew we could easily still lynch Slam today if I was wrong and I absolutely could not shoot Onegu with my power so wait why couldnt you shoot onegu? | ||
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On November 06 2020 01:16 Koshi wrote: Or you killed slam and we won yesterday. Are you realmy creating a narrative in which your egoistic action didnt cost us a perfect sweep? i agree with yamato on one thing, you deserve to get lynched with TTTTT. | ||
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On November 06 2020 01:17 yamato77 wrote: Actually it could also be Iamp theoretically but that's a real xd no he went to database N0 and a roleblock happened. | ||
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On November 06 2020 01:23 yamato77 wrote: You have literally 0 confirmation that mafia's roles cannot be used when they visit database. i literally do, from OP. | ||
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On November 06 2020 01:28 iamperfection wrote: i think i understand why you rub some people the wrong way rayn i think you are just as "mean" as i am you just can use english words better than i can (i look like a dick even when i have no fucking intention of being one at times) | ||
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On November 06 2020 01:31 yamato77 wrote: Koshi could easily be mafia Rayn. Your overconfidence in your ever-shifting reads is hilarious. he and shockeyy confirmed each other's roles pretty much. mafia has a roleblocker. if koshi is mafia roleblocker how does he know about what shockeyy did? | ||
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On November 06 2020 01:32 yamato77 wrote: Also you are so results-oriented it is insane. This game is about process. If all you focus on is the final result I don't understand how you could possibly enjoy playing. i dont understand? i like winning, as town and as mafia. i really dont get what you are saying? | ||
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On November 06 2020 01:34 yamato77 wrote: If Koshi is mafia he can be reasonably sure that Shockey isn't lying rofl. remember who claimed first? Koshi? | ||
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On November 06 2020 01:36 Koshi wrote: Like how did I claim an inversed effect on my watcher ability before Shockey told the thread his real role. I guess if you are mafia watcher and shoickeyy is what he is. | ||
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On November 06 2020 01:39 Koshi wrote: Meh. And where is kp then on n1? Would mean I watch iamp and mafia also kps iamp on n0. Makes no sense. idk, idc because it doesnt make any sense with shockeyys role that way. someone MUST be a roleblocker. Anything close to that is Slam. That's it. I dont know if you (or anyone) know but after the first game i played (here -- LoTR mafia) i have been basically playing all-roled games all my life until i came back to play here. Because Vendetta Strada liked to host BYOR's (you bring your own role and host makes something with it). I dont lose all roled games as town, because i know how they work. Period. The one game here people didnt believe me Bill Murray picked justice vigi as mafia and lived for like fucking 6 days as INJUSTICE vigi claiming to be injustice one (noone got it except for me and Palmar). It is ridiculous. In that one game crossfire99 hosted, kitaman (stupid ass shit) lynched me D1, i asked xfire to give all town claims and best mafia claims he can think of and i killed all mafia in obs QT by N3. Noone in this game got why iamp and yamato are clear, you yaddayadda'd for like a fucking day and noone realised it. shockeyy is not mafia koshi is not mafia everyone else is clear. mafia is slam or me. go figure? | ||
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On November 06 2020 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: justice vigilante is that you HAVE to shoot every night and if you hit town you die. he was mafia though and by balance justice vigi for mafia became injustice vigi, so.... | ||
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1.Iamperfection (conf town) 2. Hapahauli 3. Grackaroni (conf town) 7. ShoCkeyy (no good because slam telling truth requires shockeyy to drive) 10. Koshi (conf by shockeyy kinda) 12. Yamato77 (conf town) hi hapa. | ||
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On November 06 2020 05:07 iamperfection wrote: it's slam good boy | ||
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On November 06 2020 17:00 ShoCkeyy wrote: I wonder if they held their role block last night, cause no one has claimed rb for last night? Because we forced slam to the database. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + 1:08 PM] raynpelikoneet!: If i assume how my role works correctly, what would happen if i die at the end of night? Would i die and flip at eon, then come back alive at the start of day? [1:10 PM] GreYMisT: Oh...your role does not cause a player to use a limited use power again. If that was the case it’s standard for me to say so [1:10 PM] raynpelikoneet!: Fuck... so i basically did nothing with my shit? [1:10 PM] GreYMisT: You made yourself invincible night 0 [1:11 PM] raynpelikoneet!: Yeah okay [1:11 PM] raynpelikoneet!: Ah im missed that part, should have asked for clarification :frowning: [1:11 PM] GreYMisT: Yeah I’m sorry, for a bit there I wasn’t sure what you were talking about a “loophole” [1:12 PM] raynpelikoneet!: Well i thought i am gonna make rhe same action again as i a forced to do that [1:12 PM] raynpelikoneet!: Otherwise i wouldnt have used it n0 [1:12 PM] raynpelikoneet!: Well it is what it is [1:12 PM] GreYMisT: I thought you were just worried about dying [1:13 PM] raynpelikoneet!: Nope, my plan was to protect iamp n1 originally, but he didnt die anyways [1:13 PM] GreYMisT: Not as on top of things as I would like to be these days, with the deadline needing to be early and me often holding my baby while writing things, so I appreciate your understanding [1:14 PM] raynpelikoneet!: So i would have wasted it in different way anyways :p [1:15 PM] GreYMisT: Unfortunately, there might be another small mod error I need to correct that happens to relate to you. Nothing you did. Just stand by for a bit while I consult [1:15 PM] raynpelikoneet!: Okay [1:24 PM] GreYMisT: Again, apologies for how this mod error and the role misunderstanding may have affected your game. Though from what you say it seems minor [1:26 PM] raynpelikoneet!: Yeah its okay [1:30 PM] GreYMisT: For reasons I will explain later, you are unable to be mayor [1:30 PM] GreYMisT: I failed to look at that reason while rushing out the day post [1:31 PM] raynpelikoneet!: Hmm okay [3:25 PM] raynpelikoneet!: Sorry to bother you still but what does "For reasons I will explain later" mean? Am i supposed to get some additional information from you? [3:26 PM] GreYMisT: No worries! It means for post game [3:26 PM] raynpelikoneet!: ahhh okay [3:33 PM] raynpelikoneet!: if someone gave me an item N0 would that be gone D1 since i "went to my state i was in D0"? [3:46 PM] GreYMisT: That is correct [3:46 PM] raynpelikoneet!: so am i supposed to be a planeteer or not then in the first place? if i am not, i think you should clarify that to me [3:47 PM] GreYMisT: Your notifications were given as intended. [3:48 PM] GreYMisT: That part is fine [3:48 PM] raynpelikoneet!: okay, i also have a complainment [3:49 PM] raynpelikoneet!: if i am a time-traveller and went back to start of D0 at the start of D1, wouldnt i have my action also since i hadn't used that at that point :smile: :smile: :smile: (this is also semi-joking i understand you didnt invent it that way ^^) [3:49 PM] GreYMisT: I would have made your Role PM more clear and would have made it so you cannot target yourself if I could go back and time travel myself [3:50 PM] raynpelikoneet!: oh but you didn't, and i did! [3:50 PM] raynpelikoneet!: ^_^ [3:50 PM] raynpelikoneet!: it's fine i am just messing with you :slight_smile: | ||
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On November 07 2020 04:04 ShoCkeyy wrote: I think I did good? Hah. I didn’t get lynched which is usually the case. Come on you were soooo town after half D0 lol.. well done | ||
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Grack had said before he hadnt used his role yet, basically there was no downside for me since one of slam/grack had to be lying. | ||
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On November 07 2020 05:03 iamperfection wrote: roleblock and kill him | ||
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On November 07 2020 05:16 Alakaslam wrote: ShoCkeyy was still auspected enough that I kept him. why did anyone suspect shockeyy n1???? | ||
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On November 07 2020 05:20 Alakaslam wrote: Also most of my shitting up the thread was like 80% true at least and often 100% true; I can’t remember thread sentiment for jack shit as either alignmnet if life sucks, and it does right now (aside from the incoming kid and time spent with the lady) Well i think you made yourself look good to at least some people. The problem is that when Acro flipped shockeyy confirmed himself like 100% and confirmed Koshi (which we ofc didn't know at the time). Had you shot shockeyy that would not change (i assume?). But still, shockeyy was the only person close to being confirmed, aside from iamp and yamato (after N1 -- when hapa claimed rb, iamp and yamato were basically clear). I dont really know what you should have done, with TT alive you can blame me or grack or onegu i guess. But then TT was not alive anymore, and regardless of why you didnt end up voting for him that looked terrible for you. | ||
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On November 07 2020 05:30 Alakaslam wrote: Exactly. Like I could have won this without Acro and TT if I didn’t change my vote but I’d probably have had to be clairvoyant to not. Remaining silent would have worked for a while, but I also would have increased the likelihood of scumslipping worse than I wound up doing and would not have dissuaded Hapa and Iamp at all which probably would have actually sped up my demise. I dont think you could have tbh. Roles would have confirmed each other quick enough since you lost 2 dudes in first two cycles with no town dead. | ||
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On November 07 2020 05:31 Alakaslam wrote: Couple with the fact that you know me, and can see pretty easily when I am lying (plus your general ability to detect lies which is already strong) if you’d (rayn) been protecc at all I would still have lost. I will tell you a secret. I can't tell when people are lying, especially in text. That's why i went to the database last night, it had to be one of you or Grack and 90% i think i catch the mafia. | ||
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But i dont like to work with 80% or 90% if i can have 100%. | ||
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On November 07 2020 05:38 Alakaslam wrote: I am not calling you an FBI wizard. Like ESP and shit. I am saying you are good at like, hunting down a lie? Doing lateral stuff to test the words that have been spoken so you are pretty much saying what I was talking about. hahaha ^^ i just wrote the same thing didnt i? | ||
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On November 07 2020 05:38 Alakaslam wrote: But I didn’t know you already had that solid of info. well you would if you read the thread | ||
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On November 07 2020 05:41 Hapahauli wrote: The dumb town tell was "correct" this game, but I still believe that it is a results-oriented way of looking at it. I used to factor more of those tells in my game, and I have seen them "faked" enough to know that they are not reliable. i agree | ||
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On November 07 2020 05:47 Alakaslam wrote: Probably. I think I would have conceded sooner if I had been properly reading. But ain’t nobody got the time for that This is kinda funny btw. Nothing towards you but still. I afk'd for a day, i came back and could easily confirm almost everyone as not mafia in like 10 minutes. Does anyone actually read the game? | ||
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On November 07 2020 05:49 Hapahauli wrote: Rayn, I wanted to wait until postgame, but I did want to apologize for this: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/564724-aperture-mafia-4-episode-2?page=20#395 I'm legitimately not sure why I offended you, but I clearly did, so I am sorry. no you didnt? | ||
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On November 07 2020 05:57 Hapahauli wrote: The intent behind me quoting that post was that I felt your post was being ignored, and I wanted to make sure it wasn't. I think the "plausible mafia" thing was also lost in translation. I didn't consider you as confirmed town as some other folks, but I still did consider you "unlikely mafia". Not the best word choice. I think it is still at best dumb to not quote the original post and say "hey look at this shit it makes sense". To me it looked like you were just rehashing with more words that "look better". I didn't know you do that. On November 07 2020 05:58 iamperfection wrote: i never said unreadable i said better. even worse. you should be smart enough to realise same thing said in two ways is still same thing. | ||
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On November 07 2020 05:58 iamperfection wrote: also it was clearly bothering you so i kept doing it. i dont mind this though. i can take all the shit i get in a game. | ||
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On November 07 2020 06:08 Hapahauli wrote: Fair point. I could have been clearer. I thought by quoting the post and saying "this is really interesting" did the job. Clearly not. It's okay i was not the beacon of fairness either. Turned out well though in the end. Why did you shoot TT? | ||
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On November 07 2020 06:52 ShoCkeyy wrote: So apparently I have another week before the baby may be born. Let's gooooo 1 week mini mafia? so next meek you go to meetings or you can also go to a MEETING!!!!!!!!!!!!!? | ||
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On November 08 2020 02:33 Alakaslam wrote: And so much this. Rayn had me, so did Koshi and they would have swayed the grace from Hapa and Iamp. yes but no. If iamp and hapa had it against me and koshi no way we get our way. | ||
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On November 08 2020 03:57 Acrofales wrote: I figured you could RB grack. That would have caused 0 people to visit the DB, increasing corruption (except that rayn visited in secret). Your visiting with just grack would not have caused corruption to increase. that's the other reason i visited. so that grack cannot claim roleblocked. | ||
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On November 07 2020 02:06 Tictock wrote: I thought it was pretty funny that I legit forgot about the game (or at least hadn't expected it to start as quick as it did) and so when I did jump in I barely looked at my Role PM. I saw I was scum but failed to note who my team was before I started reading. I only checked after I had posted my scumlean on Acro >.< | ||
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