1) Extremely logical and well thought claim. Why is this mafia: Claims that comes from mafia usually comes from a well devised plan with an agenda behind it. It is usually calculated and comes from a person who has perfect information. On the other hand, it's hard for mafia to blend in with genuine posts because they have perfect information and, with that, they have to fake every single post. This will make it sound robotic, generic, over cautious. This is what it sounds here:
On September 18 2020 04:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so much for the confusion, just google number four + klaus + ben. I had my laughs :D
Let's play mafia. Monadel do you think anything sticks out as fishy atm?
No I don't.
I think what Glowingbear is saying is an unescessary over explanation on "the cop should claim" but I dont think it makes him mafia
Why?
Actually I agree. The cop gets n0 check then they need do claim.. 5v2 we get a red check for the cop is a good trade. I think cop shouldn't claim until d2 though.
Rayn why push for a cop claim n0?
To be fair I like the idea of having cop claiming n0 so the doctor knows who to protect. It either forces mafia to fakeclaim or doctor hunt. They will have 25% chance of hitting doctor while we guarantee we have a cop with a check day1.
The problem is when we don't have a clear claim and the doctor can't find out who the cop is because they "assume" it's someone else. This only helps mafia.
I was about to ask for more reasons why cop should claim N0, but I guess, it just needs to be done, and I really prefer town winning if that's the case here. I really want to trust Rayn and yourself GB for this claim, and really hope that I'm doing the right thing by doing so.
Hi. I'm finally a blue role (cop here [not copcake]) in one of Hapa's games. Who should I check on my N0 action? I was thinking of Monadel since he's new or Number4 since it's a hydra role.
On September 18 2020 04:13 GlowingBear wrote: [quote]
Wait, Copcake?
I am eversince.
And I'm inevitable
Good!
Now tell me sme of your reads?
^^
Rayn mafia Damdy meh You and CopCake detectives forever. Who can it be now? Monadel newbie on the forums, may be a bit intimidated to post more, but for now meh. Still waiting Vivax to own the game once more
I don't think m!Ryan here. Care to talk about it? -ES
Sure, Ben!
I don't like his opening while forcing people to say if they're the cop or not. Just ask for the cop to claim and move on? Also, if I got it right (I might have interpreted it wrong) if I said I was the cop he could think I was mafia fakeclaiming. If he thinks cop claiming is 100% the best option for town, why would I be mafia fakeclaiming?
Mafia can't fake claim n0? That's suicide. Oh you claim n0? We lynch into the two.
-ES
no its not.
Claim cop. See flip. Lynch who's wrong? Or am I being stupid? If mafia fake claims and doc saves cop and we have green flip then I'm 100% sure that makes them scum.
Interested in discussion. Being slowly convinced by rayn that the cop should claim.
On September 18 2020 05:25 Number 4 wrote: Ok. Let us end this.
Shock start talking .
Reacted to the fake claim cautiously.
On September 18 2020 05:39 Number 4 wrote: How claiming cop is important for mafia.
For mafia is not important, it is for town so it can be protected by the doctor. Mafia can’t give shit about it if the cop claims or not, they are going to kill someone anyways at night (more likely with the claim).
Idk if I explained it right.
Still not understanding how mafia could benefit from the claim, which explains why Number4 doesn't instantly jump on Shockey's neck ("fakeclaiming is suicide, mafia needs to survive, ergo, mafia probably won't fakeclaim, ergo, Shockey might be town trying to pull a plan")
On September 18 2020 05:56 Number 4 wrote: Ok, Eversince and me agreed to do this. We are the cop. Shockey’s claim is bullshit.
I was thinking in playing a little bit and do not claim, then when I read GB’s post about the 5v2 let me realize that if Shockey is mafia fake claiming then we are screwed since we need the protection of the doctor now because ever asked shockey to talk in two posts so that is kinda an out.
I honestly think GB is mafia, and that is the check I sent btw.
So that is all.
Finally, the claim. You can follow their logic easily, the claim is to the point: "I'm the cop, Shockey's claim is bullshit", and a little explanation.
In conclusion: although Number4 is a hydra, you can clearly follow their stream of reasoning until they reach the decision of claiming cop. The same can't be said about Shockey.
2) Rayn's check / not following with the plan of simultaneous check reveal Why is this mafia: if you need to fake a check on someone, you will either: (i)have to call a townie town, (ii) have to call your scum mate town, any other option is suicide. And any of these options may compromise you, especially when you had Rayn creating a plan where both cops reveals their check simultaneously. It's easier to decide who you're going to shoot and then claiming you had a check on the flipped townie. This way, you don't have much work of creating a more fake scenarios that you have to convince town. Also, shockey's check makes NO SENSE under his perspective because with so many "nulls", Shockey would NEVER check Rayn. See these posts: + Show Spoiler +
On September 18 2020 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now i am gonna be interested in who YOU are gonna check Shockeyy?
Possibly Vivax just cause him and I have had our quarrels in the past few games, or Dadred only cause that fucker was mafia last game... and I was fooled.
He was afraid of Vivax AND Damdred because they got him fooled, so it would make sense to check these guys.
On September 18 2020 07:10 Number 4 wrote: [quote]
Took us 4 hours? Hooray hun!
If it was a 30 player game i would totally be lynching you two for you bullshit nonsense that doesnt even make any sense ever.....
Yeah but most of the real claims are a bit clunky and illogical. It felt more and more that they were telling the truth and Shockey wasn't really invested in hunting.
What the fuck are you guys smoking???? I'm invested... I'm literally checking players outside of the person who counter claimed me. It's N0, and I have the best action to help finding mafia. Now town is going to decide I'm mafia because Dadred said I looked more natural? Where the hell is the logic in that.
On September 18 2020 05:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On September 18 2020 05:02 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 18 2020 04:52 Number 4 wrote:
On September 18 2020 04:30 Monadel wrote: [quote]
No I don't.
I think what Glowingbear is saying is an unescessary over explanation on "the cop should claim" but I dont think it makes him mafia
Why?
Actually I agree. The cop gets n0 check then they need do claim.. 5v2 we get a red check for the cop is a good trade. I think cop shouldn't claim until d2 though.
Rayn why push for a cop claim n0?
To be fair I like the idea of having cop claiming n0 so the doctor knows who to protect. It either forces mafia to fakeclaim or doctor hunt. They will have 25% chance of hitting doctor while we guarantee we have a cop with a check day1.
The problem is when we don't have a clear claim and the doctor can't find out who the cop is because they "assume" it's someone else. This only helps mafia.
I was about to ask for more reasons why cop should claim N0, but I guess, it just needs to be done, and I really prefer town winning if that's the case here. I really want to trust Rayn and yourself GB for this claim, and really hope that I'm doing the right thing by doing so.
Hi. I'm finally a blue role (cop here [not copcake]) in one of Hapa's games. Who should I check on my N0 action? I was thinking of Monadel since he's new or Number4 since it's a hydra role.
This is the most artificial shit i have ever heard, sorry,
Did you even see the timeline? Can you explain why then N4 decided to counter claim me after I said I would check her?
Shockey I don't think you will convince rayn.
May I ask you to post your stream of thoughts when looking at the thread? When did you start reading, what did you think of posts at that time, etc.
I started reading 10 minutes before posting my claim. I literally followed the advice of you and Rayn because I also saw it's in the best interest of town. Number 4 didn't even want to "claim" until they saw I was gunning for them at night check.
Ok, got it and I understand why would you, as cop, take the advice. But I want to understand what did you think of people's alignment at that time. I mean, one thing is to take and advice. One thing is to be convince that the active people are townie.
I never said I was convinced you're both town, I just trust you both more than other players due to knowing you're both strong town players either way. I'm convinced Number 4 is mafia. Now I just have to go through my check lists. I posted I wanted to check the least active players because based on the past games, every mafia player has been AFK as fuck.
SEVERAL times he says he has no reason to suspect me or rayn, and this makes it more clear, because (i) he says he trust us MORE than the other townies and (ii) this was AFTER I've explained to him that rayn wasn't calling Shockey mafia because one of Dadred's posts, rayn was calling DADRED mafia because of Shockey. And Shockey seemed to understand this and to be ok with this. But then, near EoN...
On September 19 2020 03:23 GlowingBear wrote: @Shockeyy, are you there? I would love to know your reads before the night ends.
Mafia Obviously Cop/Ever (Number 4)
Scum lean Monadel - due to his questioning of me yesterday, need more posts from him, but he's leaning more null for me.
Null Rayn - I switched him from town ready because he's easy to flip flop reads from the look of it especially after asking for Cop to claim, then randomly decides I'm mafia cause Damdred said he liked my claim more lol... Vivax - I'm still on the fence with Vivax, but he's leaning more town. I need to speak with him more.
Slight Town Damdred - I think he was generally interested in the game in the beginning. Idk what he's up to now. But I liked his posting when he was talking to Rayn.
Town GB
He tells a lie about rayn again, while dropping him to null. Again, he did trust rayn more than Monadel and Vivax. Monadel is a goddamn scum lean. So why checking rayn over those two guys?
3) No interest in solving the game / resorts on WIFOM Every post from Shockey follows one of the following fashions: (i) it's just him responding N4's posts saying how mafia they are, (ii) it's him answering posts that has his name on it, (iii) it's him trying to WIFOM town with night kill conspiracies or how N4 and I are mafia together. There isn't a single post where he actually tries to investigate people in order to further understand their alignments, he doesn't react to new information as it means more was to solving the game. He reacts to posts that only follow his agenda of surviving. Not a single time after I voted him he thought I could be town very convinced and tunneled. And I was his top town n0. It's a common mafia reaction to just engage in conflict with his accusers in order to discredit their behavior. That's what is happening here.
I love how you had to make shit up to even make this post work. Anybody actually following the thread can tell I interacted with everyone. I only interact with yourself and N4 because you two are literally the only other players that are constantly talking. I don't need to voice any concerns with you two because I know both of you are mafia. It's literally in everyones face 2 mafia vs the 1 cop.
Ok. Benefit of doubt. Why the fuck would ever not kill you then? In DC cop can die next night and win. Really? Hun this isn't my first time around the block.
-es
Because you both keep painting me as "obvious" mafia meaning I can easily get voted out. That's why you also killed Rayn, since he was speculating me to try and frame me.
On top of this why would I ever kill rayn? I'd pocket him until d2 for the trade. If I was mafia I'd already be no contest the lynch today? Who do you think taught me on this site?
On September 22 2020 02:05 Number 4 wrote: On top of this why would I ever kill rayn? I'd pocket him until d2 for the trade. If I was mafia I'd already be no contest the lynch today? Who do you think taught me on this site?
-es
This is a bad argument though. Rayn was the towniest person and the one who drive conversation. Him being alive probably would lead to a no lynch instead of us lynching as well.
On September 22 2020 02:05 Number 4 wrote: On top of this why would I ever kill rayn? I'd pocket him until d2 for the trade. If I was mafia I'd already be no contest the lynch today? Who do you think taught me on this site?
-es
This is a bad argument though. Rayn was the towniest person and the one who drive conversation. Him being alive probably would lead to a no lynch instead of us lynching as well.
On September 22 2020 02:05 Number 4 wrote: On top of this why would I ever kill rayn? I'd pocket him until d2 for the trade. If I was mafia I'd already be no contest the lynch today? Who do you think taught me on this site?
-es
This is a bad argument though. Rayn was the towniest person and the one who drive conversation. Him being alive probably would lead to a no lynch instead of us lynching as well.
Rayn didn't scum read me but you think I'd put in no effort trying to win him over? M!es would have done exactly that. Because m!es wants a driving force to help push lynches. Would it of worked if I was mafia? 70/30 he catches me. Would I take those odds to win? Also yes.
On September 22 2020 02:05 Number 4 wrote: On top of this why would I ever kill rayn? I'd pocket him until d2 for the trade. If I was mafia I'd already be no contest the lynch today? Who do you think taught me on this site?
-es
This is a bad argument though. Rayn was the towniest person and the one who drive conversation. Him being alive probably would lead to a no lynch instead of us lynching as well.
On September 22 2020 02:23 Dadred wrote: Nah I'm just saying it's a bad argument, I would never kill this person cause of reason X.
I think it's likely that you wouldn't kill him but it's a wifom argument that could be used against you.
Ok I admit this actually, I haven't been active so without deep diving my past games it's just wifom from meta/ experience. I don't expect someone new to check this. The rest of us ol' timers have played together for us to know it's not wrong.
1) Extremely logical and well thought claim. Why is this mafia: Claims that comes from mafia usually comes from a well devised plan with an agenda behind it. It is usually calculated and comes from a person who has perfect information. On the other hand, it's hard for mafia to blend in with genuine posts because they have perfect information and, with that, they have to fake every single post. This will make it sound robotic, generic, over cautious. This is what it sounds here:
On September 18 2020 04:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so much for the confusion, just google number four + klaus + ben. I had my laughs :D
Let's play mafia. Monadel do you think anything sticks out as fishy atm?
No I don't.
I think what Glowingbear is saying is an unescessary over explanation on "the cop should claim" but I dont think it makes him mafia
Why?
Actually I agree. The cop gets n0 check then they need do claim.. 5v2 we get a red check for the cop is a good trade. I think cop shouldn't claim until d2 though.
Rayn why push for a cop claim n0?
To be fair I like the idea of having cop claiming n0 so the doctor knows who to protect. It either forces mafia to fakeclaim or doctor hunt. They will have 25% chance of hitting doctor while we guarantee we have a cop with a check day1.
The problem is when we don't have a clear claim and the doctor can't find out who the cop is because they "assume" it's someone else. This only helps mafia.
I was about to ask for more reasons why cop should claim N0, but I guess, it just needs to be done, and I really prefer town winning if that's the case here. I really want to trust Rayn and yourself GB for this claim, and really hope that I'm doing the right thing by doing so.
Hi. I'm finally a blue role (cop here [not copcake]) in one of Hapa's games. Who should I check on my N0 action? I was thinking of Monadel since he's new or Number4 since it's a hydra role.
On September 18 2020 04:13 GlowingBear wrote: [quote]
Wait, Copcake?
I am eversince.
And I'm inevitable
Good!
Now tell me sme of your reads?
^^
Rayn mafia Damdy meh You and CopCake detectives forever. Who can it be now? Monadel newbie on the forums, may be a bit intimidated to post more, but for now meh. Still waiting Vivax to own the game once more
I don't think m!Ryan here. Care to talk about it? -ES
Sure, Ben!
I don't like his opening while forcing people to say if they're the cop or not. Just ask for the cop to claim and move on? Also, if I got it right (I might have interpreted it wrong) if I said I was the cop he could think I was mafia fakeclaiming. If he thinks cop claiming is 100% the best option for town, why would I be mafia fakeclaiming?
Mafia can't fake claim n0? That's suicide. Oh you claim n0? We lynch into the two.
-ES
no its not.
Claim cop. See flip. Lynch who's wrong? Or am I being stupid? If mafia fake claims and doc saves cop and we have green flip then I'm 100% sure that makes them scum.
Interested in discussion. Being slowly convinced by rayn that the cop should claim.
On September 18 2020 05:25 Number 4 wrote: Ok. Let us end this.
Shock start talking .
Reacted to the fake claim cautiously.
On September 18 2020 05:39 Number 4 wrote: How claiming cop is important for mafia.
For mafia is not important, it is for town so it can be protected by the doctor. Mafia can’t give shit about it if the cop claims or not, they are going to kill someone anyways at night (more likely with the claim).
Idk if I explained it right.
Still not understanding how mafia could benefit from the claim, which explains why Number4 doesn't instantly jump on Shockey's neck ("fakeclaiming is suicide, mafia needs to survive, ergo, mafia probably won't fakeclaim, ergo, Shockey might be town trying to pull a plan")
On September 18 2020 05:56 Number 4 wrote: Ok, Eversince and me agreed to do this. We are the cop. Shockey’s claim is bullshit.
I was thinking in playing a little bit and do not claim, then when I read GB’s post about the 5v2 let me realize that if Shockey is mafia fake claiming then we are screwed since we need the protection of the doctor now because ever asked shockey to talk in two posts so that is kinda an out.
I honestly think GB is mafia, and that is the check I sent btw.
So that is all.
Finally, the claim. You can follow their logic easily, the claim is to the point: "I'm the cop, Shockey's claim is bullshit", and a little explanation.
In conclusion: although Number4 is a hydra, you can clearly follow their stream of reasoning until they reach the decision of claiming cop. The same can't be said about Shockey.
2) Rayn's check / not following with the plan of simultaneous check reveal Why is this mafia: if you need to fake a check on someone, you will either: (i)have to call a townie town, (ii) have to call your scum mate town, any other option is suicide. And any of these options may compromise you, especially when you had Rayn creating a plan where both cops reveals their check simultaneously. It's easier to decide who you're going to shoot and then claiming you had a check on the flipped townie. This way, you don't have much work of creating a more fake scenarios that you have to convince town. Also, shockey's check makes NO SENSE under his perspective because with so many "nulls", Shockey would NEVER check Rayn. See these posts: + Show Spoiler +
On September 18 2020 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now i am gonna be interested in who YOU are gonna check Shockeyy?
Possibly Vivax just cause him and I have had our quarrels in the past few games, or Dadred only cause that fucker was mafia last game... and I was fooled.
He was afraid of Vivax AND Damdred because they got him fooled, so it would make sense to check these guys.
On September 18 2020 07:10 Number 4 wrote: [quote]
Took us 4 hours? Hooray hun!
If it was a 30 player game i would totally be lynching you two for you bullshit nonsense that doesnt even make any sense ever.....
Yeah but most of the real claims are a bit clunky and illogical. It felt more and more that they were telling the truth and Shockey wasn't really invested in hunting.
What the fuck are you guys smoking???? I'm invested... I'm literally checking players outside of the person who counter claimed me. It's N0, and I have the best action to help finding mafia. Now town is going to decide I'm mafia because Dadred said I looked more natural? Where the hell is the logic in that.
On September 18 2020 05:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On September 18 2020 05:02 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 18 2020 04:52 Number 4 wrote:
On September 18 2020 04:30 Monadel wrote: [quote]
No I don't.
I think what Glowingbear is saying is an unescessary over explanation on "the cop should claim" but I dont think it makes him mafia
Why?
Actually I agree. The cop gets n0 check then they need do claim.. 5v2 we get a red check for the cop is a good trade. I think cop shouldn't claim until d2 though.
Rayn why push for a cop claim n0?
To be fair I like the idea of having cop claiming n0 so the doctor knows who to protect. It either forces mafia to fakeclaim or doctor hunt. They will have 25% chance of hitting doctor while we guarantee we have a cop with a check day1.
The problem is when we don't have a clear claim and the doctor can't find out who the cop is because they "assume" it's someone else. This only helps mafia.
I was about to ask for more reasons why cop should claim N0, but I guess, it just needs to be done, and I really prefer town winning if that's the case here. I really want to trust Rayn and yourself GB for this claim, and really hope that I'm doing the right thing by doing so.
Hi. I'm finally a blue role (cop here [not copcake]) in one of Hapa's games. Who should I check on my N0 action? I was thinking of Monadel since he's new or Number4 since it's a hydra role.
This is the most artificial shit i have ever heard, sorry,
Did you even see the timeline? Can you explain why then N4 decided to counter claim me after I said I would check her?
Shockey I don't think you will convince rayn.
May I ask you to post your stream of thoughts when looking at the thread? When did you start reading, what did you think of posts at that time, etc.
I started reading 10 minutes before posting my claim. I literally followed the advice of you and Rayn because I also saw it's in the best interest of town. Number 4 didn't even want to "claim" until they saw I was gunning for them at night check.
Ok, got it and I understand why would you, as cop, take the advice. But I want to understand what did you think of people's alignment at that time. I mean, one thing is to take and advice. One thing is to be convince that the active people are townie.
I never said I was convinced you're both town, I just trust you both more than other players due to knowing you're both strong town players either way. I'm convinced Number 4 is mafia. Now I just have to go through my check lists. I posted I wanted to check the least active players because based on the past games, every mafia player has been AFK as fuck.
SEVERAL times he says he has no reason to suspect me or rayn, and this makes it more clear, because (i) he says he trust us MORE than the other townies and (ii) this was AFTER I've explained to him that rayn wasn't calling Shockey mafia because one of Dadred's posts, rayn was calling DADRED mafia because of Shockey. And Shockey seemed to understand this and to be ok with this. But then, near EoN...
On September 19 2020 03:23 GlowingBear wrote: @Shockeyy, are you there? I would love to know your reads before the night ends.
Mafia Obviously Cop/Ever (Number 4)
Scum lean Monadel - due to his questioning of me yesterday, need more posts from him, but he's leaning more null for me.
Null Rayn - I switched him from town ready because he's easy to flip flop reads from the look of it especially after asking for Cop to claim, then randomly decides I'm mafia cause Damdred said he liked my claim more lol... Vivax - I'm still on the fence with Vivax, but he's leaning more town. I need to speak with him more.
Slight Town Damdred - I think he was generally interested in the game in the beginning. Idk what he's up to now. But I liked his posting when he was talking to Rayn.
Town GB
He tells a lie about rayn again, while dropping him to null. Again, he did trust rayn more than Monadel and Vivax. Monadel is a goddamn scum lean. So why checking rayn over those two guys?
3) No interest in solving the game / resorts on WIFOM Every post from Shockey follows one of the following fashions: (i) it's just him responding N4's posts saying how mafia they are, (ii) it's him answering posts that has his name on it, (iii) it's him trying to WIFOM town with night kill conspiracies or how N4 and I are mafia together. There isn't a single post where he actually tries to investigate people in order to further understand their alignments, he doesn't react to new information as it means more was to solving the game. He reacts to posts that only follow his agenda of surviving. Not a single time after I voted him he thought I could be town very convinced and tunneled. And I was his top town n0. It's a common mafia reaction to just engage in conflict with his accusers in order to discredit their behavior. That's what is happening here.
I love how you had to make shit up to even make this post work. Anybody actually following the thread can tell I interacted with everyone. I only interact with yourself and N4 because you two are literally the only other players that are constantly talking. I don't need to voice any concerns with you two because I know both of you are mafia. It's literally in everyones face 2 mafia vs the 1 cop.
I've made no shit up, I didn't say you didn't interact with every player, I said you are not interested in uncovering their alignments
If you seriously believe rayn would not raise hell when he's caught mafia????? Really damdred? r.r. Rayn already had shock so screwed into the wall this day would be already over. 100% of times.
EPT
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