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On September 20 2020 23:29 Number 4 wrote:
Best play obviously for ever and me is to lynch shockey.
Now thinking about the two persons missing, Monadel and Vivax I don’t know what to think about it.
A part of me thinks that Mafia Vivax would take advantage of the situation and call 4 mafia always. On the other hand if he called me mafia there is also the probability that GB and Rayn would have call him out because of their reasons to think why Shockey is mafia and not us so maybe he is wary of this and that is why his only posts are about to throw shade at GB.
Then we have Monadel who I can’t read because he is new, he proposed the no lynch which is a pro town thing, Could it be that him not being to choose which cop is more trustful is because he doesn't know us? Or is it that he is a mafia that doesn't know what to do and is trying to look town in case Shockey gets lynched? Or is the no lynch plan to go last minute and vote me and win the game?
Either way, I promise you that if we lynch shockey you lynched mafia and it will be easy game because we just need to check one of them and rip mafia.
@GB
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On September 21 2020 04:55 Number 4 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2020 04:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:On September 21 2020 04:17 Number 4 wrote:On September 21 2020 04:07 Monadel wrote:
Im not just blindly following rayn but I dont see a problem with looking back on what a flipped town has said. I also feel like you are misrepresenting what I've said there a bit.
I also agree that shockey not voting for you today looks bad and his reactionary posting also looks bad.
I dont understand why you are so against the no lynch. The game will be solved tomorrow from your point of view. Why wait tomorrow for what can be done today? Time is money. I despise wasting either. We have a fucking CONFIRMED mafia. As town I'll get my 310 out of the barn and put him 30 down a hole. Why won't you? -es Yea, I already know you’re the confirmed mafia. And GB is your partner. If GB had been reading, he’ll see my discussion on what I think of the game so far. I don’t mind no lynching. I’m not mafia. You know I'm mafia and your not lynching me? You're win con says that makes you scum. -es
I still have more than enough time to vote for you or GB. It’s obvious. I’m not rushing to play the game.
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On September 21 2020 04:53 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I also don’t mind USING my time to be able to continue building a case on yourself and Gb. Unlike you who and GB who are both so urgent to vote some one out.
It's not about being urgent, is about not wanting to waste my time. I've made my mind about you but I'm still open to discuss. I've directed questions to you twice and you don't answer. You also aren't really worried about trying to solve everyone out, you've just assumed I'm mafia because I'm voting you, which is the easiest way to play as scum. Not in a single moment you've thought that I could be tunneled town. This is because you WANT me to be mafia, not that you actually believe I'm mafia. It fits your agenda perfectly.
It's harder to fake the reconsideration of people's opinion. It's easier for mafia to just "see town, they want to lynch me, therefore, they are scum".
N4 is having the exact opposite behavior. They are here talking about almost everything to sort people out. If you are the real cop, why aren't you: (i) voting your scumread, (ii)figuring out who should be checked later, (iii)organizing yourself with the rest of the townies?
I'm sorry, but when you're town, if you have confirmed mafia on your aim, you don't advocate for a no lynch. It's simple as that.
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On September 21 2020 04:57 Number 4 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2020 23:29 Number 4 wrote:
Best play obviously for ever and me is to lynch shockey.
Now thinking about the two persons missing, Monadel and Vivax I don’t know what to think about it.
A part of me thinks that Mafia Vivax would take advantage of the situation and call 4 mafia always. On the other hand if he called me mafia there is also the probability that GB and Rayn would have call him out because of their reasons to think why Shockey is mafia and not us so maybe he is wary of this and that is why his only posts are about to throw shade at GB.
Then we have Monadel who I can’t read because he is new, he proposed the no lynch which is a pro town thing, Could it be that him not being to choose which cop is more trustful is because he doesn't know us? Or is it that he is a mafia that doesn't know what to do and is trying to look town in case Shockey gets lynched? Or is the no lynch plan to go last minute and vote me and win the game?
Either way, I promise you that if we lynch shockey you lynched mafia and it will be easy game because we just need to check one of them and rip mafia.
@GB
What happens if we no lynch?
N1 4v2
D2 3v2
It is objectively better because, supposedly, we will have more time to gather information and less people to think about. So Monadel proposing a no-lynch isn't alignment indicative. What is alignment indicative is that he is interested in solving the game, and proposing a no-lynch partially reveals his interest. So, Monadel is probably town.
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You know what we could do, if you want to?
Both Shockey and N4 checks Vivax N1 and only reveal their checks D2 as rayn has proposed before. This will tell a lot about who is mafia.
We no lynch today, they both check Vivax and come back with their reveal.
Can we all agree on that?
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On September 21 2020 05:03 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2020 04:53 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I also don’t mind USING my time to be able to continue building a case on yourself and Gb. Unlike you who and GB who are both so urgent to vote some one out. It's not about being urgent, is about not wanting to waste my time. I've made my mind about you but I'm still open to discuss. I've directed questions to you twice and you don't answer. You also aren't really worried about trying to solve everyone out, you've just assumed I'm mafia because I'm voting you, which is the easiest way to play as scum. Not in a single moment you've thought that I could be tunneled town. This is because you WANT me to be mafia, not that you actually believe I'm mafia. It fits your agenda perfectly. It's harder to fake the reconsideration of people's opinion. It's easier for mafia to just "see town, they want to lynch me, therefore, they are scum". N4 is having the exact opposite behavior. They are here talking about almost everything to sort people out. If you are the real cop, why aren't you: (i) voting your scumread, (ii)figuring out who should be checked later, (iii)organizing yourself with the rest of the townies? I'm sorry, but when you're town, if you have confirmed mafia on your aim, you don't advocate for a no lynch. It's simple as that.
I’ve already spoke with the rest of the townies. I don’t need to discuss who I’m checking, only mafia would like to know who I’m checking. Even town Rayn said not to discuss that, and you’re here asking me to tell you, are you crazy? I already said I have time to vote, I don’t need to place my vote right now, unlike you and N4 who both were quick to vote.
If you would read my posts, I’ve literally discussed on N0 what N4 is discussing today. She’s literally just reposting me. I already solved the game N0 and now you and your team mate are headstrong to vote me out. Crazy.
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On September 21 2020 05:10 GlowingBear wrote:
You know what we could do, if you want to?
Both Shockey and N4 checks Vivax N1 and only reveal their checks D2 as rayn has proposed before. This will tell a lot about who is mafia.
We no lynch today, they both check Vivax and come back with their reveal.
Can we all agree on that?
No.
-es
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On September 21 2020 04:03 Number 4 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2020 03:55 Monadel wrote:On September 21 2020 03:48 Number 4 wrote:On September 21 2020 03:43 Monadel wrote:On September 21 2020 03:42 Number 4 wrote:On September 21 2020 03:39 Monadel wrote:
We need to hit scum 100% right now so that is no different Then decide if I'm scum or shock is and vote. -es Or I could no lynch and make that decision when I have more information  This is possibly the stranges thing you've said. 1) there is 100% mafia between shock and myself. 2) unless damdred is mafia we loss the doc 3) town is in way worse position if we no lynch Your vote is your weapon if your town. Use it. -es Don't disagree on 1 but that will still be the same after the no lynch. We lose damdred either way tonight so that's not relevant 3 is just wrong in my opinion we are actually in the same if not better position as I've explained previously. This is very frustrating for me and I want to call you mafia for not understanding my point of view but it makes you more town I dont think we are in a better position, they will obviously kill dadred and then what? 3 town vs 2 mafia I know GB is sold with us but then I will have an inactive Vivax and you, one of you will go against me and say that I am mafia and try to convice GB and the other town that I am the bad guy. Night actions at the end of the day can only be useful if we lynch the right person tonight. Mafia can easily fake claim something like “Hey I checked Monadel he is town” and be true so You are sold, it doesnt matter if I ended up checking Vivax and I got a red check on him. This is an hypotetical scenario. - cop
@GB
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On September 21 2020 05:11 Number 4 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2020 05:10 GlowingBear wrote:
You know what we could do, if you want to?
Both Shockey and N4 checks Vivax N1 and only reveal their checks D2 as rayn has proposed before. This will tell a lot about who is mafia.
We no lynch today, they both check Vivax and come back with their reveal.
Can we all agree on that? No. -es
This doesnt work, consider all the scenarios.
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On September 21 2020 05:10 GlowingBear wrote:
You know what we could do, if you want to?
Both Shockey and N4 checks Vivax N1 and only reveal their checks D2 as rayn has proposed before. This will tell a lot about who is mafia.
We no lynch today, they both check Vivax and come back with their reveal.
Can we all agree on that?
How is that different that the fake claim check she did on you? We know N4 is going to claim vivax is mafia since she’s mafia along with her team mate.
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On September 21 2020 05:11 Number 4 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2020 04:03 Number 4 wrote:On September 21 2020 03:55 Monadel wrote:On September 21 2020 03:48 Number 4 wrote:On September 21 2020 03:43 Monadel wrote:On September 21 2020 03:42 Number 4 wrote:On September 21 2020 03:39 Monadel wrote:
We need to hit scum 100% right now so that is no different Then decide if I'm scum or shock is and vote. -es Or I could no lynch and make that decision when I have more information This is possibly the stranges thing you've said. 1) there is 100% mafia between shock and myself. 2) unless damdred is mafia we loss the doc 3) town is in way worse position if we no lynch Your vote is your weapon if your town. Use it. -es Don't disagree on 1 but that will still be the same after the no lynch. We lose damdred either way tonight so that's not relevant 3 is just wrong in my opinion we are actually in the same if not better position as I've explained previously. This is very frustrating for me and I want to call you mafia for not understanding my point of view but it makes you more town I dont think we are in a better position, they will obviously kill dadred and then what? 3 town vs 2 mafia I know GB is sold with us but then I will have an inactive Vivax and you, one of you will go against me and say that I am mafia and try to convice GB and the other town that I am the bad guy. Night actions at the end of the day can only be useful if we lynch the right person tonight. Mafia can easily fake claim something like “Hey I checked Monadel he is town” and be true so You are sold, it doesnt matter if I ended up checking Vivax and I got a red check on him. This is an hypotetical scenario. - cop @GB
It actually matters but I don't want to talk about this and help mafia figuring out how to overcome the strategy.
You guys HAVE to check the same person tonight. And I vote for Vivax.
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On September 21 2020 05:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2020 05:10 GlowingBear wrote:
You know what we could do, if you want to?
Both Shockey and N4 checks Vivax N1 and only reveal their checks D2 as rayn has proposed before. This will tell a lot about who is mafia.
We no lynch today, they both check Vivax and come back with their reveal.
Can we all agree on that? How is that different that the fake claim check she did on you? We know N4 is going to claim vivax is mafia since she’s mafia along with her team mate.
And what if you come back with a red check on Vivax too? Maybe they are together.
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On September 21 2020 05:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2020 05:03 GlowingBear wrote:On September 21 2020 04:53 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I also don’t mind USING my time to be able to continue building a case on yourself and Gb. Unlike you who and GB who are both so urgent to vote some one out. It's not about being urgent, is about not wanting to waste my time. I've made my mind about you but I'm still open to discuss. I've directed questions to you twice and you don't answer. You also aren't really worried about trying to solve everyone out, you've just assumed I'm mafia because I'm voting you, which is the easiest way to play as scum. Not in a single moment you've thought that I could be tunneled town. This is because you WANT me to be mafia, not that you actually believe I'm mafia. It fits your agenda perfectly. It's harder to fake the reconsideration of people's opinion. It's easier for mafia to just "see town, they want to lynch me, therefore, they are scum". N4 is having the exact opposite behavior. They are here talking about almost everything to sort people out. If you are the real cop, why aren't you: (i) voting your scumread, (ii)figuring out who should be checked later, (iii)organizing yourself with the rest of the townies? I'm sorry, but when you're town, if you have confirmed mafia on your aim, you don't advocate for a no lynch. It's simple as that. I’ve already spoke with the rest of the townies. I don’t need to discuss who I’m checking, only mafia would like to know who I’m checking. Even town Rayn said not to discuss that, and you’re here asking me to tell you, are you crazy? I already said I have time to vote, I don’t need to place my vote right now, unlike you and N4 who both were quick to vote. If you would read my posts, I’ve literally discussed on N0 what N4 is discussing today. She’s literally just reposting me. I already solved the game N0 and now you and your team mate are headstrong to vote me out. Crazy.
I haven't read the game too closely since friday night, simply because I can't. But again, there are unanswered questions from you. :/
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Wait mmmmm
If Vivax is town and Monadel is the scum partner is obvious they are going to say that Vivax is green, I’ll get the same check and it is going to be again a long frustrating day discussing. Shockey’s has a partner that will follow him, We (me and ever) do not have a partner even if you believe us, there is a chance that you can change your mind.
If Vivax is mafia Shockey is going to say that he is town and I will get the red check, then the poor Monadel will be between a war of GB + 4 vs Shockey + Vivax
Which scenario looks good to you?
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On September 21 2020 05:17 Number 4 wrote:
Wait mmmmm
If Vivax is town and Monadel is the scum partner is obvious they are going to say that Vivax is green, I’ll get the same check and it is going to be again a long frustrating day discussing. Shockey’s has a partner that will follow him, We (me and ever) do not have a partner even if you believe us, there is a chance that you can change your mind.
If Vivax is mafia Shockey is going to say that he is town and I will get the red check, then the poor Monadel will be between a war of GB + 4 vs Shockey + Vivax
Which scenario looks good to you?
None, but we will have more information and that's what town is asking now.
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I love how people use Rayn asa reason to take decisions.
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And GB you say I’m trying to build a scenario, but N4 has been throwing out four scenarios an hour.
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On September 21 2020 05:19 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2020 05:17 Number 4 wrote:
Wait mmmmm
If Vivax is town and Monadel is the scum partner is obvious they are going to say that Vivax is green, I’ll get the same check and it is going to be again a long frustrating day discussing. Shockey’s has a partner that will follow him, We (me and ever) do not have a partner even if you believe us, there is a chance that you can change your mind.
If Vivax is mafia Shockey is going to say that he is town and I will get the red check, then the poor Monadel will be between a war of GB + 4 vs Shockey + Vivax
Which scenario looks good to you? None, but we will have more information and that's what town is asking now.
I dont like neither.
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I dont think its a bad idea
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On September 21 2020 05:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:
And GB you say I’m trying to build a scenario, but N4 has been throwing out four scenarios an hour.
My scenarios are based of my position as town, with posible outcomes with the other two players of who could be mafia.
If you cant build yours because it will show up as an obvious agenda is another story.
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