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Ughhh
The level of frustration but understanding it from an ignorant town perspective.
It is like I post and I post and I post many reasons of why We are the real cop but it feels like meaningless paragraphs. It is not fun. Even if Shockey doesnt answer, creating the GB is mafia agenda, not listening to rayn plan, 3 damn people have said his posts sound robotic, aghhh.
So hard to be a town cop this game.
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I wish Vivax was here at least GB and damdred would get information and discuss about plays and metas and would be easier for the ignorant townies who to believe and what not besides the cops.
Btw with ignorant town I mean that you lack the information the cop has, not that you the players are ignorant.
- cop
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On September 21 2020 05:31 Number 4 wrote:
Ughhh
The level of frustration but understanding it from an ignorant town perspective.
It is like I post and I post and I post many reasons of why We are the real cop but it feels like meaningless paragraphs. It is not fun. Even if Shockey doesnt answer, creating the GB is mafia agenda, not listening to rayn plan, 3 damn people have said his posts sound robotic, aghhh.
So hard to be a town cop this game.
Game is a bit auto for me. I'll probably post a case on Shockey tomorrow but for now cba 
I'll have better internet connection tomorrow so I'll be able to catch up properly, but I don't think we have relevant new information.
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Nice job, town! Very good usage of the extended time! So much information we have now!
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Do you blame them?
We cant do anything if people like Vivax dont post which is the only way I think we can get info, or putting pressure on shockey and me.
- cop
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On September 19 2020 12:20 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2020 11:51 Monadel wrote:
shockey if GB wasn't an option who do you think is the second mafia This depends if no one counter claims damdred. There’s still time, there’s a possibility you may also be the doctor but don’t want to claim yet. But seeing no one has so far, ill leave damdred out, and would essentially leave you and Vivax. Vivax is known to afk as of late as town and mafia so he’s just a hard read in this current climate, which left you. But as of lately I feel that you’re asking the right questions. I definitely think at this point you’re more townie than Vivax unless vivax can show me he’s town. So if it wasn’t GB, it’s possibly Vivax. However I’m headstrong right now the two mafia players are GB and Number 4 since they’re really gunning for me to be voted out instantly. No sane town is that quick to vote. I like using my time to solve things. Time is of the essence, I don’t like throwing it away unlike GB and Number 4, which has been very anti town.
Nice bluehunting.
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On September 21 2020 21:02 Number 4 wrote:
Do you blame them?
We cant do anything if people like Vivax dont post which is the only way I think we can get info, or putting pressure on shockey and me.
- cop
I will blame everyone who keeps postponing my sweet dopamine of getting a flip reveal.
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Shockey is Mafia!
1) Extremely logical and well thought claim.
Why is this mafia: Claims that comes from mafia usually comes from a well devised plan with an agenda behind it. It is usually calculated and comes from a person who has perfect information. On the other hand, it's hard for mafia to blend in with genuine posts because they have perfect information and, with that, they have to fake every single post. This will make it sound robotic, generic, over cautious. This is what it sounds here:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 18 2020 05:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2020 05:02 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 04:52 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:30 Monadel wrote:On September 18 2020 04:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so much for the confusion, just google number four + klaus + ben. I had my laughs :D
Let's play mafia. Monadel do you think anything sticks out as fishy atm? No I don't. I think what Glowingbear is saying is an unescessary over explanation on "the cop should claim" but I dont think it makes him mafia Why? Actually I agree. The cop gets n0 check then they need do claim.. 5v2 we get a red check for the cop is a good trade. I think cop shouldn't claim until d2 though. Rayn why push for a cop claim n0? To be fair I like the idea of having cop claiming n0 so the doctor knows who to protect. It either forces mafia to fakeclaim or doctor hunt. They will have 25% chance of hitting doctor while we guarantee we have a cop with a check day1. The problem is when we don't have a clear claim and the doctor can't find out who the cop is because they "assume" it's someone else. This only helps mafia. I was about to ask for more reasons why cop should claim N0, but I guess, it just needs to be done, and I really prefer town winning if that's the case here. I really want to trust Rayn and yourself GB for this claim, and really hope that I'm doing the right thing by doing so. Hi. I'm finally a blue role (cop here [not copcake]) in one of Hapa's games. Who should I check on my N0 action? I was thinking of Monadel since he's new or Number4 since it's a hydra role.
Compare to how Number4 revealed their role:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 18 2020 05:16 Number 4 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2020 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2020 05:10 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 05:05 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 05:02 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:58 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 04:42 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:31 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 04:16 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:13 GlowingBear wrote:
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Wait, Copcake? I am eversince. And I'm inevitable Good! Now tell me sme of your reads? ^^ Rayn mafia Damdy meh You and CopCake detectives forever. Who can it be now? Monadel newbie on the forums, may be a bit intimidated to post more, but for now meh. Still waiting Vivax to own the game once more I don't think m!Ryan here. Care to talk about it? -ES Sure, Ben! I don't like his opening while forcing people to say if they're the cop or not. Just ask for the cop to claim and move on? Also, if I got it right (I might have interpreted it wrong) if I said I was the cop he could think I was mafia fakeclaiming. If he thinks cop claiming is 100% the best option for town, why would I be mafia fakeclaiming? Mafia can't fake claim n0? That's suicide. Oh you claim n0? We lynch into the two. -ES no its not. Claim cop. See flip. Lynch who's wrong? Or am I being stupid? If mafia fake claims and doc saves cop and we have green flip then I'm 100% sure that makes them scum. Interested in discussion. Being slowly convinced by rayn that the cop should claim. On September 18 2020 05:25 Number 4 wrote:Ok. Let us end this. Shock start talking  . Reacted to the fake claim cautiously. On September 18 2020 05:39 Number 4 wrote:
How claiming cop is important for mafia.
For mafia is not important, it is for town so it can be protected by the doctor. Mafia can’t give shit about it if the cop claims or not, they are going to kill someone anyways at night (more likely with the claim).
Idk if I explained it right. Still not understanding how mafia could benefit from the claim, which explains why Number4 doesn't instantly jump on Shockey's neck ("fakeclaiming is suicide, mafia needs to survive, ergo, mafia probably won't fakeclaim, ergo, Shockey might be town trying to pull a plan") On September 18 2020 05:56 Number 4 wrote:
Ok, Eversince and me agreed to do this. We are the cop. Shockey’s claim is bullshit.
I was thinking in playing a little bit and do not claim, then when I read GB’s post about the 5v2 let me realize that if Shockey is mafia fake claiming then we are screwed since we need the protection of the doctor now because ever asked shockey to talk in two posts so that is kinda an out.
I honestly think GB is mafia, and that is the check I sent btw.
So that is all.
Finally, the claim. You can follow their logic easily, the claim is to the point: "I'm the cop, Shockey's claim is bullshit", and a little explanation.
In conclusion: although Number4 is a hydra, you can clearly follow their stream of reasoning until they reach the decision of claiming cop. The same can't be said about Shockey.
2) Rayn's check / not following with the plan of simultaneous check reveal
Why is this mafia: if you need to fake a check on someone, you will either: (i)have to call a townie town, (ii) have to call your scum mate town, any other option is suicide. And any of these options may compromise you, especially when you had Rayn creating a plan where both cops reveals their check simultaneously. It's easier to decide who you're going to shoot and then claiming you had a check on the flipped townie. This way, you don't have much work of creating a more fake scenarios that you have to convince town.
Also, shockey's check makes NO SENSE under his perspective because with so many "nulls", Shockey would NEVER check Rayn.
See these posts:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 18 2020 07:07 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2020 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now i am gonna be interested in who YOU are gonna check Shockeyy? Possibly Vivax just cause him and I have had our quarrels in the past few games, or Dadred only cause that fucker was mafia last game... and I was fooled. He was afraid of Vivax AND Damdred because they got him fooled, so it would make sense to check these guys. On September 18 2020 07:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2020 07:34 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 07:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:On September 18 2020 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 07:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:On September 18 2020 07:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2020 07:14 ShoCkeyy wrote:On September 18 2020 07:12 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2020 07:10 Number 4 wrote:
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Took us 4 hours? Hooray hun! If it was a 30 player game i would totally be lynching you two for you bullshit nonsense that doesnt even make any sense ever..... Yeah but most of the real claims are a bit clunky and illogical. It felt more and more that they were telling the truth and Shockey wasn't really invested in hunting. What the fuck are you guys smoking???? I'm invested... I'm literally checking players outside of the person who counter claimed me. It's N0, and I have the best action to help finding mafia. Now town is going to decide I'm mafia because Dadred said I looked more natural? Where the hell is the logic in that. On September 18 2020 05:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:On September 18 2020 05:02 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 04:52 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:30 Monadel wrote:
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No I don't.
I think what Glowingbear is saying is an unescessary over explanation on "the cop should claim" but I dont think it makes him mafia Why? Actually I agree. The cop gets n0 check then they need do claim.. 5v2 we get a red check for the cop is a good trade. I think cop shouldn't claim until d2 though. Rayn why push for a cop claim n0? To be fair I like the idea of having cop claiming n0 so the doctor knows who to protect. It either forces mafia to fakeclaim or doctor hunt. They will have 25% chance of hitting doctor while we guarantee we have a cop with a check day1. The problem is when we don't have a clear claim and the doctor can't find out who the cop is because they "assume" it's someone else. This only helps mafia. I was about to ask for more reasons why cop should claim N0, but I guess, it just needs to be done, and I really prefer town winning if that's the case here. I really want to trust Rayn and yourself GB for this claim, and really hope that I'm doing the right thing by doing so. Hi. I'm finally a blue role (cop here [not copcake]) in one of Hapa's games. Who should I check on my N0 action? I was thinking of Monadel since he's new or Number4 since it's a hydra role. This is the most artificial shit i have ever heard, sorry, Did you even see the timeline? Can you explain why then N4 decided to counter claim me after I said I would check her? Shockey I don't think you will convince rayn. May I ask you to post your stream of thoughts when looking at the thread? When did you start reading, what did you think of posts at that time, etc. I started reading 10 minutes before posting my claim. I literally followed the advice of you and Rayn because I also saw it's in the best interest of town. Number 4 didn't even want to "claim" until they saw I was gunning for them at night check. Ok, got it and I understand why would you, as cop, take the advice. But I want to understand what did you think of people's alignment at that time. I mean, one thing is to take and advice. One thing is to be convince that the active people are townie. I never said I was convinced you're both town, I just trust you both more than other players due to knowing you're both strong town players either way. I'm convinced Number 4 is mafia. Now I just have to go through my check lists. I posted I wanted to check the least active players because based on the past games, every mafia player has been AFK as fuck. SEVERAL times he says he has no reason to suspect me or rayn, and this makes it more clear, because (i) he says he trust us MORE than the other townies and (ii) this was AFTER I've explained to him that rayn wasn't calling Shockey mafia because one of Dadred's posts, rayn was calling DADRED mafia because of Shockey. And Shockey seemed to understand this and to be ok with this. But then, near EoN... On September 19 2020 03:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2020 03:23 GlowingBear wrote:
@Shockeyy, are you there? I would love to know your reads before the night ends. MafiaObviously Cop/Ever (Number 4) Scum leanMonadel - due to his questioning of me yesterday, need more posts from him, but he's leaning more null for me. NullRayn - I switched him from town ready because he's easy to flip flop reads from the look of it especially after asking for Cop to claim, then randomly decides I'm mafia cause Damdred said he liked my claim more lol... Vivax - I'm still on the fence with Vivax, but he's leaning more town. I need to speak with him more. Slight TownDamdred - I think he was generally interested in the game in the beginning. Idk what he's up to now. But I liked his posting when he was talking to Rayn. TownGB He tells a lie about rayn again, while dropping him to null. Again, he did trust rayn more than Monadel and Vivax. Monadel is a goddamn scum lean. So why checking rayn over those two guys?
3) No interest in solving the game / resorts on WIFOM
Every post from Shockey follows one of the following fashions: (i) it's just him responding N4's posts saying how mafia they are, (ii) it's him answering posts that has his name on it, (iii) it's him trying to WIFOM town with night kill conspiracies or how N4 and I are mafia together.
There isn't a single post where he actually tries to investigate people in order to further understand their alignments, he doesn't react to new information as it means more was to solving the game. He reacts to posts that only follow his agenda of surviving. Not a single time after I voted him he thought I could be town very convinced and tunneled. And I was his top town n0. It's a common mafia reaction to just engage in conflict with his accusers in order to discredit their behavior. That's what is happening here.
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On September 21 2020 21:35 GlowingBear wrote:Shockey is Mafia! 1) Extremely logical and well thought claim.
Why is this mafia: Claims that comes from mafia usually comes from a well devised plan with an agenda behind it. It is usually calculated and comes from a person who has perfect information. On the other hand, it's hard for mafia to blend in with genuine posts because they have perfect information and, with that, they have to fake every single post. This will make it sound robotic, generic, over cautious. This is what it sounds here: + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2020 05:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2020 05:02 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 04:52 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:30 Monadel wrote:On September 18 2020 04:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so much for the confusion, just google number four + klaus + ben. I had my laughs :D
Let's play mafia. Monadel do you think anything sticks out as fishy atm? No I don't. I think what Glowingbear is saying is an unescessary over explanation on "the cop should claim" but I dont think it makes him mafia Why? Actually I agree. The cop gets n0 check then they need do claim.. 5v2 we get a red check for the cop is a good trade. I think cop shouldn't claim until d2 though. Rayn why push for a cop claim n0? To be fair I like the idea of having cop claiming n0 so the doctor knows who to protect. It either forces mafia to fakeclaim or doctor hunt. They will have 25% chance of hitting doctor while we guarantee we have a cop with a check day1. The problem is when we don't have a clear claim and the doctor can't find out who the cop is because they "assume" it's someone else. This only helps mafia. I was about to ask for more reasons why cop should claim N0, but I guess, it just needs to be done, and I really prefer town winning if that's the case here. I really want to trust Rayn and yourself GB for this claim, and really hope that I'm doing the right thing by doing so. Hi. I'm finally a blue role (cop here [not copcake]) in one of Hapa's games. Who should I check on my N0 action? I was thinking of Monadel since he's new or Number4 since it's a hydra role. Compare to how Number4 revealed their role: + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2020 05:16 Number 4 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2020 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2020 05:10 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 05:05 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 05:02 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:58 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 04:42 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:31 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 04:16 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:13 GlowingBear wrote:
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Wait, Copcake? I am eversince. And I'm inevitable Good! Now tell me sme of your reads? ^^ Rayn mafia Damdy meh You and CopCake detectives forever. Who can it be now? Monadel newbie on the forums, may be a bit intimidated to post more, but for now meh. Still waiting Vivax to own the game once more I don't think m!Ryan here. Care to talk about it? -ES Sure, Ben! I don't like his opening while forcing people to say if they're the cop or not. Just ask for the cop to claim and move on? Also, if I got it right (I might have interpreted it wrong) if I said I was the cop he could think I was mafia fakeclaiming. If he thinks cop claiming is 100% the best option for town, why would I be mafia fakeclaiming? Mafia can't fake claim n0? That's suicide. Oh you claim n0? We lynch into the two. -ES no its not. Claim cop. See flip. Lynch who's wrong? Or am I being stupid? If mafia fake claims and doc saves cop and we have green flip then I'm 100% sure that makes them scum. Interested in discussion. Being slowly convinced by rayn that the cop should claim. On September 18 2020 05:25 Number 4 wrote:Ok. Let us end this. Shock start talking . Reacted to the fake claim cautiously. On September 18 2020 05:39 Number 4 wrote:
How claiming cop is important for mafia.
For mafia is not important, it is for town so it can be protected by the doctor. Mafia can’t give shit about it if the cop claims or not, they are going to kill someone anyways at night (more likely with the claim).
Idk if I explained it right. Still not understanding how mafia could benefit from the claim, which explains why Number4 doesn't instantly jump on Shockey's neck ("fakeclaiming is suicide, mafia needs to survive, ergo, mafia probably won't fakeclaim, ergo, Shockey might be town trying to pull a plan") On September 18 2020 05:56 Number 4 wrote:
Ok, Eversince and me agreed to do this. We are the cop. Shockey’s claim is bullshit.
I was thinking in playing a little bit and do not claim, then when I read GB’s post about the 5v2 let me realize that if Shockey is mafia fake claiming then we are screwed since we need the protection of the doctor now because ever asked shockey to talk in two posts so that is kinda an out.
I honestly think GB is mafia, and that is the check I sent btw.
So that is all.
Finally, the claim. You can follow their logic easily, the claim is to the point: "I'm the cop, Shockey's claim is bullshit", and a little explanation. In conclusion: although Number4 is a hydra, you can clearly follow their stream of reasoning until they reach the decision of claiming cop. The same can't be said about Shockey.
2) Rayn's check / not following with the plan of simultaneous check reveal
Why is this mafia: if you need to fake a check on someone, you will either: (i)have to call a townie town, (ii) have to call your scum mate town, any other option is suicide. And any of these options may compromise you, especially when you had Rayn creating a plan where both cops reveals their check simultaneously. It's easier to decide who you're going to shoot and then claiming you had a check on the flipped townie. This way, you don't have much work of creating a more fake scenarios that you have to convince town. Also, shockey's check makes NO SENSE under his perspective because with so many "nulls", Shockey would NEVER check Rayn. See these posts: + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2020 07:07 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2020 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now i am gonna be interested in who YOU are gonna check Shockeyy? Possibly Vivax just cause him and I have had our quarrels in the past few games, or Dadred only cause that fucker was mafia last game... and I was fooled. He was afraid of Vivax AND Damdred because they got him fooled, so it would make sense to check these guys. On September 18 2020 07:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2020 07:34 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 07:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:On September 18 2020 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 07:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:On September 18 2020 07:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2020 07:14 ShoCkeyy wrote:On September 18 2020 07:12 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2020 07:10 Number 4 wrote:
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Took us 4 hours? Hooray hun! If it was a 30 player game i would totally be lynching you two for you bullshit nonsense that doesnt even make any sense ever..... Yeah but most of the real claims are a bit clunky and illogical. It felt more and more that they were telling the truth and Shockey wasn't really invested in hunting. What the fuck are you guys smoking???? I'm invested... I'm literally checking players outside of the person who counter claimed me. It's N0, and I have the best action to help finding mafia. Now town is going to decide I'm mafia because Dadred said I looked more natural? Where the hell is the logic in that. On September 18 2020 05:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:On September 18 2020 05:02 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 04:52 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:30 Monadel wrote:
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No I don't.
I think what Glowingbear is saying is an unescessary over explanation on "the cop should claim" but I dont think it makes him mafia Why? Actually I agree. The cop gets n0 check then they need do claim.. 5v2 we get a red check for the cop is a good trade. I think cop shouldn't claim until d2 though. Rayn why push for a cop claim n0? To be fair I like the idea of having cop claiming n0 so the doctor knows who to protect. It either forces mafia to fakeclaim or doctor hunt. They will have 25% chance of hitting doctor while we guarantee we have a cop with a check day1. The problem is when we don't have a clear claim and the doctor can't find out who the cop is because they "assume" it's someone else. This only helps mafia. I was about to ask for more reasons why cop should claim N0, but I guess, it just needs to be done, and I really prefer town winning if that's the case here. I really want to trust Rayn and yourself GB for this claim, and really hope that I'm doing the right thing by doing so. Hi. I'm finally a blue role (cop here [not copcake]) in one of Hapa's games. Who should I check on my N0 action? I was thinking of Monadel since he's new or Number4 since it's a hydra role. This is the most artificial shit i have ever heard, sorry, Did you even see the timeline? Can you explain why then N4 decided to counter claim me after I said I would check her? Shockey I don't think you will convince rayn. May I ask you to post your stream of thoughts when looking at the thread? When did you start reading, what did you think of posts at that time, etc. I started reading 10 minutes before posting my claim. I literally followed the advice of you and Rayn because I also saw it's in the best interest of town. Number 4 didn't even want to "claim" until they saw I was gunning for them at night check. Ok, got it and I understand why would you, as cop, take the advice. But I want to understand what did you think of people's alignment at that time. I mean, one thing is to take and advice. One thing is to be convince that the active people are townie. I never said I was convinced you're both town, I just trust you both more than other players due to knowing you're both strong town players either way. I'm convinced Number 4 is mafia. Now I just have to go through my check lists. I posted I wanted to check the least active players because based on the past games, every mafia player has been AFK as fuck. SEVERAL times he says he has no reason to suspect me or rayn, and this makes it more clear, because (i) he says he trust us MORE than the other townies and (ii) this was AFTER I've explained to him that rayn wasn't calling Shockey mafia because one of Dadred's posts, rayn was calling DADRED mafia because of Shockey. And Shockey seemed to understand this and to be ok with this. But then, near EoN... On September 19 2020 03:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2020 03:23 GlowingBear wrote:
@Shockeyy, are you there? I would love to know your reads before the night ends. MafiaObviously Cop/Ever (Number 4) Scum leanMonadel - due to his questioning of me yesterday, need more posts from him, but he's leaning more null for me. NullRayn - I switched him from town ready because he's easy to flip flop reads from the look of it especially after asking for Cop to claim, then randomly decides I'm mafia cause Damdred said he liked my claim more lol... Vivax - I'm still on the fence with Vivax, but he's leaning more town. I need to speak with him more. Slight TownDamdred - I think he was generally interested in the game in the beginning. Idk what he's up to now. But I liked his posting when he was talking to Rayn. TownGB He tells a lie about rayn again, while dropping him to null. Again, he did trust rayn more than Monadel and Vivax. Monadel is a goddamn scum lean. So why checking rayn over those two guys?
3) No interest in solving the game / resorts on WIFOMEvery post from Shockey follows one of the following fashions: (i) it's just him responding N4's posts saying how mafia they are, (ii) it's him answering posts that has his name on it, (iii) it's him trying to WIFOM town with night kill conspiracies or how N4 and I are mafia together. There isn't a single post where he actually tries to investigate people in order to further understand their alignments, he doesn't react to new information as it means more was to solving the game. He reacts to posts that only follow his agenda of surviving. Not a single time after I voted him he thought I could be town very convinced and tunneled. And I was his top town n0. It's a common mafia reaction to just engage in conflict with his accusers in order to discredit their behavior. That's what is happening here.
THIS is playing mafia. Welcome back to 2013.
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Ok I was hoping Vivax would of show up and did something
But I guess not I'm ready to vote if we have more than just me
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Monadel, sometimes as a player you need to gamble it even if you are not “100%” sure. We have presented some cases.
Rayn
GB
Damred
And our tiring self (4)
There are many many reasons why shockey is mafia besides the one GB has said, I have quoted some stuff that doesnt make sense (He saying we are mafia because we didnt check him, here he implies he knows we can check), blue hunting for the doctor (he is not sure is damred), etc.
Can we be lying and not be the cop?
Yes is posible but there is so so so much evidence that implies is shockey.
I invite you to vote and let town win.
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I think we have around 30 minutes, so if you want to vote, you should do it.
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The number of post since last time I was here is depressing.
Town failing to consolidate on scum is more depressing.
The evidence points directly at shock.
-es
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On September 21 2020 21:35 GlowingBear wrote:Shockey is Mafia! 1) Extremely logical and well thought claim.
Why is this mafia: Claims that comes from mafia usually comes from a well devised plan with an agenda behind it. It is usually calculated and comes from a person who has perfect information. On the other hand, it's hard for mafia to blend in with genuine posts because they have perfect information and, with that, they have to fake every single post. This will make it sound robotic, generic, over cautious. This is what it sounds here: + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2020 05:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2020 05:02 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 04:52 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:30 Monadel wrote:On September 18 2020 04:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so much for the confusion, just google number four + klaus + ben. I had my laughs :D
Let's play mafia. Monadel do you think anything sticks out as fishy atm? No I don't. I think what Glowingbear is saying is an unescessary over explanation on "the cop should claim" but I dont think it makes him mafia Why? Actually I agree. The cop gets n0 check then they need do claim.. 5v2 we get a red check for the cop is a good trade. I think cop shouldn't claim until d2 though. Rayn why push for a cop claim n0? To be fair I like the idea of having cop claiming n0 so the doctor knows who to protect. It either forces mafia to fakeclaim or doctor hunt. They will have 25% chance of hitting doctor while we guarantee we have a cop with a check day1. The problem is when we don't have a clear claim and the doctor can't find out who the cop is because they "assume" it's someone else. This only helps mafia. I was about to ask for more reasons why cop should claim N0, but I guess, it just needs to be done, and I really prefer town winning if that's the case here. I really want to trust Rayn and yourself GB for this claim, and really hope that I'm doing the right thing by doing so. Hi. I'm finally a blue role (cop here [not copcake]) in one of Hapa's games. Who should I check on my N0 action? I was thinking of Monadel since he's new or Number4 since it's a hydra role. Compare to how Number4 revealed their role: + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2020 05:16 Number 4 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2020 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2020 05:10 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 05:05 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 05:02 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:58 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 04:42 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:31 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 04:16 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:13 GlowingBear wrote:
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Wait, Copcake? I am eversince. And I'm inevitable Good! Now tell me sme of your reads? ^^ Rayn mafia Damdy meh You and CopCake detectives forever. Who can it be now? Monadel newbie on the forums, may be a bit intimidated to post more, but for now meh. Still waiting Vivax to own the game once more I don't think m!Ryan here. Care to talk about it? -ES Sure, Ben! I don't like his opening while forcing people to say if they're the cop or not. Just ask for the cop to claim and move on? Also, if I got it right (I might have interpreted it wrong) if I said I was the cop he could think I was mafia fakeclaiming. If he thinks cop claiming is 100% the best option for town, why would I be mafia fakeclaiming? Mafia can't fake claim n0? That's suicide. Oh you claim n0? We lynch into the two. -ES no its not. Claim cop. See flip. Lynch who's wrong? Or am I being stupid? If mafia fake claims and doc saves cop and we have green flip then I'm 100% sure that makes them scum. Interested in discussion. Being slowly convinced by rayn that the cop should claim. On September 18 2020 05:25 Number 4 wrote:Ok. Let us end this. Shock start talking . Reacted to the fake claim cautiously. On September 18 2020 05:39 Number 4 wrote:
How claiming cop is important for mafia.
For mafia is not important, it is for town so it can be protected by the doctor. Mafia can’t give shit about it if the cop claims or not, they are going to kill someone anyways at night (more likely with the claim).
Idk if I explained it right. Still not understanding how mafia could benefit from the claim, which explains why Number4 doesn't instantly jump on Shockey's neck ("fakeclaiming is suicide, mafia needs to survive, ergo, mafia probably won't fakeclaim, ergo, Shockey might be town trying to pull a plan") On September 18 2020 05:56 Number 4 wrote:
Ok, Eversince and me agreed to do this. We are the cop. Shockey’s claim is bullshit.
I was thinking in playing a little bit and do not claim, then when I read GB’s post about the 5v2 let me realize that if Shockey is mafia fake claiming then we are screwed since we need the protection of the doctor now because ever asked shockey to talk in two posts so that is kinda an out.
I honestly think GB is mafia, and that is the check I sent btw.
So that is all.
Finally, the claim. You can follow their logic easily, the claim is to the point: "I'm the cop, Shockey's claim is bullshit", and a little explanation. In conclusion: although Number4 is a hydra, you can clearly follow their stream of reasoning until they reach the decision of claiming cop. The same can't be said about Shockey.
2) Rayn's check / not following with the plan of simultaneous check reveal
Why is this mafia: if you need to fake a check on someone, you will either: (i)have to call a townie town, (ii) have to call your scum mate town, any other option is suicide. And any of these options may compromise you, especially when you had Rayn creating a plan where both cops reveals their check simultaneously. It's easier to decide who you're going to shoot and then claiming you had a check on the flipped townie. This way, you don't have much work of creating a more fake scenarios that you have to convince town. Also, shockey's check makes NO SENSE under his perspective because with so many "nulls", Shockey would NEVER check Rayn. See these posts: + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2020 07:07 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2020 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now i am gonna be interested in who YOU are gonna check Shockeyy? Possibly Vivax just cause him and I have had our quarrels in the past few games, or Dadred only cause that fucker was mafia last game... and I was fooled. He was afraid of Vivax AND Damdred because they got him fooled, so it would make sense to check these guys. On September 18 2020 07:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2020 07:34 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 07:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:On September 18 2020 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 07:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:On September 18 2020 07:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2020 07:14 ShoCkeyy wrote:On September 18 2020 07:12 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2020 07:10 Number 4 wrote:
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Took us 4 hours? Hooray hun! If it was a 30 player game i would totally be lynching you two for you bullshit nonsense that doesnt even make any sense ever..... Yeah but most of the real claims are a bit clunky and illogical. It felt more and more that they were telling the truth and Shockey wasn't really invested in hunting. What the fuck are you guys smoking???? I'm invested... I'm literally checking players outside of the person who counter claimed me. It's N0, and I have the best action to help finding mafia. Now town is going to decide I'm mafia because Dadred said I looked more natural? Where the hell is the logic in that. On September 18 2020 05:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:On September 18 2020 05:02 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 04:52 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:30 Monadel wrote:
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No I don't.
I think what Glowingbear is saying is an unescessary over explanation on "the cop should claim" but I dont think it makes him mafia Why? Actually I agree. The cop gets n0 check then they need do claim.. 5v2 we get a red check for the cop is a good trade. I think cop shouldn't claim until d2 though. Rayn why push for a cop claim n0? To be fair I like the idea of having cop claiming n0 so the doctor knows who to protect. It either forces mafia to fakeclaim or doctor hunt. They will have 25% chance of hitting doctor while we guarantee we have a cop with a check day1. The problem is when we don't have a clear claim and the doctor can't find out who the cop is because they "assume" it's someone else. This only helps mafia. I was about to ask for more reasons why cop should claim N0, but I guess, it just needs to be done, and I really prefer town winning if that's the case here. I really want to trust Rayn and yourself GB for this claim, and really hope that I'm doing the right thing by doing so. Hi. I'm finally a blue role (cop here [not copcake]) in one of Hapa's games. Who should I check on my N0 action? I was thinking of Monadel since he's new or Number4 since it's a hydra role. This is the most artificial shit i have ever heard, sorry, Did you even see the timeline? Can you explain why then N4 decided to counter claim me after I said I would check her? Shockey I don't think you will convince rayn. May I ask you to post your stream of thoughts when looking at the thread? When did you start reading, what did you think of posts at that time, etc. I started reading 10 minutes before posting my claim. I literally followed the advice of you and Rayn because I also saw it's in the best interest of town. Number 4 didn't even want to "claim" until they saw I was gunning for them at night check. Ok, got it and I understand why would you, as cop, take the advice. But I want to understand what did you think of people's alignment at that time. I mean, one thing is to take and advice. One thing is to be convince that the active people are townie. I never said I was convinced you're both town, I just trust you both more than other players due to knowing you're both strong town players either way. I'm convinced Number 4 is mafia. Now I just have to go through my check lists. I posted I wanted to check the least active players because based on the past games, every mafia player has been AFK as fuck. SEVERAL times he says he has no reason to suspect me or rayn, and this makes it more clear, because (i) he says he trust us MORE than the other townies and (ii) this was AFTER I've explained to him that rayn wasn't calling Shockey mafia because one of Dadred's posts, rayn was calling DADRED mafia because of Shockey. And Shockey seemed to understand this and to be ok with this. But then, near EoN... On September 19 2020 03:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2020 03:23 GlowingBear wrote:
@Shockeyy, are you there? I would love to know your reads before the night ends. MafiaObviously Cop/Ever (Number 4) Scum leanMonadel - due to his questioning of me yesterday, need more posts from him, but he's leaning more null for me. NullRayn - I switched him from town ready because he's easy to flip flop reads from the look of it especially after asking for Cop to claim, then randomly decides I'm mafia cause Damdred said he liked my claim more lol... Vivax - I'm still on the fence with Vivax, but he's leaning more town. I need to speak with him more. Slight TownDamdred - I think he was generally interested in the game in the beginning. Idk what he's up to now. But I liked his posting when he was talking to Rayn. TownGB He tells a lie about rayn again, while dropping him to null. Again, he did trust rayn more than Monadel and Vivax. Monadel is a goddamn scum lean. So why checking rayn over those two guys?
3) No interest in solving the game / resorts on WIFOMEvery post from Shockey follows one of the following fashions: (i) it's just him responding N4's posts saying how mafia they are, (ii) it's him answering posts that has his name on it, (iii) it's him trying to WIFOM town with night kill conspiracies or how N4 and I are mafia together. There isn't a single post where he actually tries to investigate people in order to further understand their alignments, he doesn't react to new information as it means more was to solving the game. He reacts to posts that only follow his agenda of surviving. Not a single time after I voted him he thought I could be town very convinced and tunneled. And I was his top town n0. It's a common mafia reaction to just engage in conflict with his accusers in order to discredit their behavior. That's what is happening here.
I love how you had to make shit up to even make this post work. Anybody actually following the thread can tell I interacted with everyone. I only interact with yourself and N4 because you two are literally the only other players that are constantly talking. I don't need to voice any concerns with you two because I know both of you are mafia. It's literally in everyones face 2 mafia vs the 1 cop.
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On September 22 2020 00:24 Number 4 wrote:
Monadel, sometimes as a player you need to gamble it even if you are not “100%” sure. We have presented some cases.
Rayn
GB
Damred
And our tiring self (4)
There are many many reasons why shockey is mafia besides the one GB has said, I have quoted some stuff that doesnt make sense (He saying we are mafia because we didnt check him, here he implies he knows we can check), blue hunting for the doctor (he is not sure is damred), etc.
[B]Can we be lying and not be the cop?
Yes is posible but there is so so so much evidence that implies is shockey.
[B]
I invite you to vote and let town win.
The bolded is exactly reasons Lynch has to be between us.
Else we waste the only lynches we have left have to hit mafia.
Killing one now at least gives 1 extra. Come on town friends! Let's put this scum in the trees!
-es
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Oh phone posting is failure at formatting..
I think a anyone can tell what's suppose to be bolded anywho.
-es
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On September 22 2020 01:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2020 21:35 GlowingBear wrote:Shockey is Mafia! 1) Extremely logical and well thought claim.
Why is this mafia: Claims that comes from mafia usually comes from a well devised plan with an agenda behind it. It is usually calculated and comes from a person who has perfect information. On the other hand, it's hard for mafia to blend in with genuine posts because they have perfect information and, with that, they have to fake every single post. This will make it sound robotic, generic, over cautious. This is what it sounds here: + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2020 05:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2020 05:02 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 04:52 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:30 Monadel wrote:On September 18 2020 04:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so much for the confusion, just google number four + klaus + ben. I had my laughs :D
Let's play mafia. Monadel do you think anything sticks out as fishy atm? No I don't. I think what Glowingbear is saying is an unescessary over explanation on "the cop should claim" but I dont think it makes him mafia Why? Actually I agree. The cop gets n0 check then they need do claim.. 5v2 we get a red check for the cop is a good trade. I think cop shouldn't claim until d2 though. Rayn why push for a cop claim n0? To be fair I like the idea of having cop claiming n0 so the doctor knows who to protect. It either forces mafia to fakeclaim or doctor hunt. They will have 25% chance of hitting doctor while we guarantee we have a cop with a check day1. The problem is when we don't have a clear claim and the doctor can't find out who the cop is because they "assume" it's someone else. This only helps mafia. I was about to ask for more reasons why cop should claim N0, but I guess, it just needs to be done, and I really prefer town winning if that's the case here. I really want to trust Rayn and yourself GB for this claim, and really hope that I'm doing the right thing by doing so. Hi. I'm finally a blue role (cop here [not copcake]) in one of Hapa's games. Who should I check on my N0 action? I was thinking of Monadel since he's new or Number4 since it's a hydra role. Compare to how Number4 revealed their role: + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2020 05:16 Number 4 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2020 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2020 05:10 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 05:05 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 05:02 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:58 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 04:42 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:31 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 04:16 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:13 GlowingBear wrote:
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Wait, Copcake? I am eversince. And I'm inevitable Good! Now tell me sme of your reads? ^^ Rayn mafia Damdy meh You and CopCake detectives forever. Who can it be now? Monadel newbie on the forums, may be a bit intimidated to post more, but for now meh. Still waiting Vivax to own the game once more I don't think m!Ryan here. Care to talk about it? -ES Sure, Ben! I don't like his opening while forcing people to say if they're the cop or not. Just ask for the cop to claim and move on? Also, if I got it right (I might have interpreted it wrong) if I said I was the cop he could think I was mafia fakeclaiming. If he thinks cop claiming is 100% the best option for town, why would I be mafia fakeclaiming? Mafia can't fake claim n0? That's suicide. Oh you claim n0? We lynch into the two. -ES no its not. Claim cop. See flip. Lynch who's wrong? Or am I being stupid? If mafia fake claims and doc saves cop and we have green flip then I'm 100% sure that makes them scum. Interested in discussion. Being slowly convinced by rayn that the cop should claim. On September 18 2020 05:25 Number 4 wrote:Ok. Let us end this. Shock start talking . Reacted to the fake claim cautiously. On September 18 2020 05:39 Number 4 wrote:
How claiming cop is important for mafia.
For mafia is not important, it is for town so it can be protected by the doctor. Mafia can’t give shit about it if the cop claims or not, they are going to kill someone anyways at night (more likely with the claim).
Idk if I explained it right. Still not understanding how mafia could benefit from the claim, which explains why Number4 doesn't instantly jump on Shockey's neck ("fakeclaiming is suicide, mafia needs to survive, ergo, mafia probably won't fakeclaim, ergo, Shockey might be town trying to pull a plan") On September 18 2020 05:56 Number 4 wrote:
Ok, Eversince and me agreed to do this. We are the cop. Shockey’s claim is bullshit.
I was thinking in playing a little bit and do not claim, then when I read GB’s post about the 5v2 let me realize that if Shockey is mafia fake claiming then we are screwed since we need the protection of the doctor now because ever asked shockey to talk in two posts so that is kinda an out.
I honestly think GB is mafia, and that is the check I sent btw.
So that is all.
Finally, the claim. You can follow their logic easily, the claim is to the point: "I'm the cop, Shockey's claim is bullshit", and a little explanation. In conclusion: although Number4 is a hydra, you can clearly follow their stream of reasoning until they reach the decision of claiming cop. The same can't be said about Shockey.
2) Rayn's check / not following with the plan of simultaneous check reveal
Why is this mafia: if you need to fake a check on someone, you will either: (i)have to call a townie town, (ii) have to call your scum mate town, any other option is suicide. And any of these options may compromise you, especially when you had Rayn creating a plan where both cops reveals their check simultaneously. It's easier to decide who you're going to shoot and then claiming you had a check on the flipped townie. This way, you don't have much work of creating a more fake scenarios that you have to convince town. Also, shockey's check makes NO SENSE under his perspective because with so many "nulls", Shockey would NEVER check Rayn. See these posts: + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2020 07:07 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2020 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now i am gonna be interested in who YOU are gonna check Shockeyy? Possibly Vivax just cause him and I have had our quarrels in the past few games, or Dadred only cause that fucker was mafia last game... and I was fooled. He was afraid of Vivax AND Damdred because they got him fooled, so it would make sense to check these guys. On September 18 2020 07:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2020 07:34 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 07:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:On September 18 2020 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 07:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:On September 18 2020 07:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2020 07:14 ShoCkeyy wrote:On September 18 2020 07:12 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2020 07:10 Number 4 wrote:
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Took us 4 hours? Hooray hun! If it was a 30 player game i would totally be lynching you two for you bullshit nonsense that doesnt even make any sense ever..... Yeah but most of the real claims are a bit clunky and illogical. It felt more and more that they were telling the truth and Shockey wasn't really invested in hunting. What the fuck are you guys smoking???? I'm invested... I'm literally checking players outside of the person who counter claimed me. It's N0, and I have the best action to help finding mafia. Now town is going to decide I'm mafia because Dadred said I looked more natural? Where the hell is the logic in that. On September 18 2020 05:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:On September 18 2020 05:02 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 04:52 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:30 Monadel wrote:
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No I don't.
I think what Glowingbear is saying is an unescessary over explanation on "the cop should claim" but I dont think it makes him mafia Why? Actually I agree. The cop gets n0 check then they need do claim.. 5v2 we get a red check for the cop is a good trade. I think cop shouldn't claim until d2 though. Rayn why push for a cop claim n0? To be fair I like the idea of having cop claiming n0 so the doctor knows who to protect. It either forces mafia to fakeclaim or doctor hunt. They will have 25% chance of hitting doctor while we guarantee we have a cop with a check day1. The problem is when we don't have a clear claim and the doctor can't find out who the cop is because they "assume" it's someone else. This only helps mafia. I was about to ask for more reasons why cop should claim N0, but I guess, it just needs to be done, and I really prefer town winning if that's the case here. I really want to trust Rayn and yourself GB for this claim, and really hope that I'm doing the right thing by doing so. Hi. I'm finally a blue role (cop here [not copcake]) in one of Hapa's games. Who should I check on my N0 action? I was thinking of Monadel since he's new or Number4 since it's a hydra role. This is the most artificial shit i have ever heard, sorry, Did you even see the timeline? Can you explain why then N4 decided to counter claim me after I said I would check her? Shockey I don't think you will convince rayn. May I ask you to post your stream of thoughts when looking at the thread? When did you start reading, what did you think of posts at that time, etc. I started reading 10 minutes before posting my claim. I literally followed the advice of you and Rayn because I also saw it's in the best interest of town. Number 4 didn't even want to "claim" until they saw I was gunning for them at night check. Ok, got it and I understand why would you, as cop, take the advice. But I want to understand what did you think of people's alignment at that time. I mean, one thing is to take and advice. One thing is to be convince that the active people are townie. I never said I was convinced you're both town, I just trust you both more than other players due to knowing you're both strong town players either way. I'm convinced Number 4 is mafia. Now I just have to go through my check lists. I posted I wanted to check the least active players because based on the past games, every mafia player has been AFK as fuck. SEVERAL times he says he has no reason to suspect me or rayn, and this makes it more clear, because (i) he says he trust us MORE than the other townies and (ii) this was AFTER I've explained to him that rayn wasn't calling Shockey mafia because one of Dadred's posts, rayn was calling DADRED mafia because of Shockey. And Shockey seemed to understand this and to be ok with this. But then, near EoN... On September 19 2020 03:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2020 03:23 GlowingBear wrote:
@Shockeyy, are you there? I would love to know your reads before the night ends. MafiaObviously Cop/Ever (Number 4) Scum leanMonadel - due to his questioning of me yesterday, need more posts from him, but he's leaning more null for me. NullRayn - I switched him from town ready because he's easy to flip flop reads from the look of it especially after asking for Cop to claim, then randomly decides I'm mafia cause Damdred said he liked my claim more lol... Vivax - I'm still on the fence with Vivax, but he's leaning more town. I need to speak with him more. Slight TownDamdred - I think he was generally interested in the game in the beginning. Idk what he's up to now. But I liked his posting when he was talking to Rayn. TownGB He tells a lie about rayn again, while dropping him to null. Again, he did trust rayn more than Monadel and Vivax. Monadel is a goddamn scum lean. So why checking rayn over those two guys?
3) No interest in solving the game / resorts on WIFOMEvery post from Shockey follows one of the following fashions: (i) it's just him responding N4's posts saying how mafia they are, (ii) it's him answering posts that has his name on it, (iii) it's him trying to WIFOM town with night kill conspiracies or how N4 and I are mafia together. There isn't a single post where he actually tries to investigate people in order to further understand their alignments, he doesn't react to new information as it means more was to solving the game. He reacts to posts that only follow his agenda of surviving. Not a single time after I voted him he thought I could be town very convinced and tunneled. And I was his top town n0. It's a common mafia reaction to just engage in conflict with his accusers in order to discredit their behavior. That's what is happening here. I love how you had to make shit up to even make this post work. Anybody actually following the thread can tell I interacted with everyone. I only interact with yourself and N4 because you two are literally the only other players that are constantly talking. I don't need to voice any concerns with you two because I know both of you are mafia. It's literally in everyones face 2 mafia vs the 1 cop.
Ok. Benefit of doubt. Why the fuck would ever not kill you then?
In DC cop can die next night and win.
Really? Hun this isn't my first time around the block.
-es
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On September 22 2020 01:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2020 21:35 GlowingBear wrote:Shockey is Mafia! 1) Extremely logical and well thought claim.
Why is this mafia: Claims that comes from mafia usually comes from a well devised plan with an agenda behind it. It is usually calculated and comes from a person who has perfect information. On the other hand, it's hard for mafia to blend in with genuine posts because they have perfect information and, with that, they have to fake every single post. This will make it sound robotic, generic, over cautious. This is what it sounds here: + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2020 05:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2020 05:02 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 04:52 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:30 Monadel wrote:On September 18 2020 04:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so much for the confusion, just google number four + klaus + ben. I had my laughs :D
Let's play mafia. Monadel do you think anything sticks out as fishy atm? No I don't. I think what Glowingbear is saying is an unescessary over explanation on "the cop should claim" but I dont think it makes him mafia Why? Actually I agree. The cop gets n0 check then they need do claim.. 5v2 we get a red check for the cop is a good trade. I think cop shouldn't claim until d2 though. Rayn why push for a cop claim n0? To be fair I like the idea of having cop claiming n0 so the doctor knows who to protect. It either forces mafia to fakeclaim or doctor hunt. They will have 25% chance of hitting doctor while we guarantee we have a cop with a check day1. The problem is when we don't have a clear claim and the doctor can't find out who the cop is because they "assume" it's someone else. This only helps mafia. I was about to ask for more reasons why cop should claim N0, but I guess, it just needs to be done, and I really prefer town winning if that's the case here. I really want to trust Rayn and yourself GB for this claim, and really hope that I'm doing the right thing by doing so. Hi. I'm finally a blue role (cop here [not copcake]) in one of Hapa's games. Who should I check on my N0 action? I was thinking of Monadel since he's new or Number4 since it's a hydra role. Compare to how Number4 revealed their role: + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2020 05:16 Number 4 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2020 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2020 05:10 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 05:05 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 05:02 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:58 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 04:42 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:31 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 04:16 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:13 GlowingBear wrote:
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Wait, Copcake? I am eversince. And I'm inevitable Good! Now tell me sme of your reads? ^^ Rayn mafia Damdy meh You and CopCake detectives forever. Who can it be now? Monadel newbie on the forums, may be a bit intimidated to post more, but for now meh. Still waiting Vivax to own the game once more I don't think m!Ryan here. Care to talk about it? -ES Sure, Ben! I don't like his opening while forcing people to say if they're the cop or not. Just ask for the cop to claim and move on? Also, if I got it right (I might have interpreted it wrong) if I said I was the cop he could think I was mafia fakeclaiming. If he thinks cop claiming is 100% the best option for town, why would I be mafia fakeclaiming? Mafia can't fake claim n0? That's suicide. Oh you claim n0? We lynch into the two. -ES no its not. Claim cop. See flip. Lynch who's wrong? Or am I being stupid? If mafia fake claims and doc saves cop and we have green flip then I'm 100% sure that makes them scum. Interested in discussion. Being slowly convinced by rayn that the cop should claim. On September 18 2020 05:25 Number 4 wrote:Ok. Let us end this. Shock start talking . Reacted to the fake claim cautiously. On September 18 2020 05:39 Number 4 wrote:
How claiming cop is important for mafia.
For mafia is not important, it is for town so it can be protected by the doctor. Mafia can’t give shit about it if the cop claims or not, they are going to kill someone anyways at night (more likely with the claim).
Idk if I explained it right. Still not understanding how mafia could benefit from the claim, which explains why Number4 doesn't instantly jump on Shockey's neck ("fakeclaiming is suicide, mafia needs to survive, ergo, mafia probably won't fakeclaim, ergo, Shockey might be town trying to pull a plan") On September 18 2020 05:56 Number 4 wrote:
Ok, Eversince and me agreed to do this. We are the cop. Shockey’s claim is bullshit.
I was thinking in playing a little bit and do not claim, then when I read GB’s post about the 5v2 let me realize that if Shockey is mafia fake claiming then we are screwed since we need the protection of the doctor now because ever asked shockey to talk in two posts so that is kinda an out.
I honestly think GB is mafia, and that is the check I sent btw.
So that is all.
Finally, the claim. You can follow their logic easily, the claim is to the point: "I'm the cop, Shockey's claim is bullshit", and a little explanation. In conclusion: although Number4 is a hydra, you can clearly follow their stream of reasoning until they reach the decision of claiming cop. The same can't be said about Shockey.
2) Rayn's check / not following with the plan of simultaneous check reveal
Why is this mafia: if you need to fake a check on someone, you will either: (i)have to call a townie town, (ii) have to call your scum mate town, any other option is suicide. And any of these options may compromise you, especially when you had Rayn creating a plan where both cops reveals their check simultaneously. It's easier to decide who you're going to shoot and then claiming you had a check on the flipped townie. This way, you don't have much work of creating a more fake scenarios that you have to convince town. Also, shockey's check makes NO SENSE under his perspective because with so many "nulls", Shockey would NEVER check Rayn. See these posts: + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2020 07:07 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2020 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now i am gonna be interested in who YOU are gonna check Shockeyy? Possibly Vivax just cause him and I have had our quarrels in the past few games, or Dadred only cause that fucker was mafia last game... and I was fooled. He was afraid of Vivax AND Damdred because they got him fooled, so it would make sense to check these guys. On September 18 2020 07:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2020 07:34 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 07:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:On September 18 2020 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 07:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:On September 18 2020 07:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2020 07:14 ShoCkeyy wrote:On September 18 2020 07:12 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2020 07:10 Number 4 wrote:
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Took us 4 hours? Hooray hun! If it was a 30 player game i would totally be lynching you two for you bullshit nonsense that doesnt even make any sense ever..... Yeah but most of the real claims are a bit clunky and illogical. It felt more and more that they were telling the truth and Shockey wasn't really invested in hunting. What the fuck are you guys smoking???? I'm invested... I'm literally checking players outside of the person who counter claimed me. It's N0, and I have the best action to help finding mafia. Now town is going to decide I'm mafia because Dadred said I looked more natural? Where the hell is the logic in that. On September 18 2020 05:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:On September 18 2020 05:02 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 04:52 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:30 Monadel wrote:
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No I don't.
I think what Glowingbear is saying is an unescessary over explanation on "the cop should claim" but I dont think it makes him mafia Why? Actually I agree. The cop gets n0 check then they need do claim.. 5v2 we get a red check for the cop is a good trade. I think cop shouldn't claim until d2 though. Rayn why push for a cop claim n0? To be fair I like the idea of having cop claiming n0 so the doctor knows who to protect. It either forces mafia to fakeclaim or doctor hunt. They will have 25% chance of hitting doctor while we guarantee we have a cop with a check day1. The problem is when we don't have a clear claim and the doctor can't find out who the cop is because they "assume" it's someone else. This only helps mafia. I was about to ask for more reasons why cop should claim N0, but I guess, it just needs to be done, and I really prefer town winning if that's the case here. I really want to trust Rayn and yourself GB for this claim, and really hope that I'm doing the right thing by doing so. Hi. I'm finally a blue role (cop here [not copcake]) in one of Hapa's games. Who should I check on my N0 action? I was thinking of Monadel since he's new or Number4 since it's a hydra role. This is the most artificial shit i have ever heard, sorry, Did you even see the timeline? Can you explain why then N4 decided to counter claim me after I said I would check her? Shockey I don't think you will convince rayn. May I ask you to post your stream of thoughts when looking at the thread? When did you start reading, what did you think of posts at that time, etc. I started reading 10 minutes before posting my claim. I literally followed the advice of you and Rayn because I also saw it's in the best interest of town. Number 4 didn't even want to "claim" until they saw I was gunning for them at night check. Ok, got it and I understand why would you, as cop, take the advice. But I want to understand what did you think of people's alignment at that time. I mean, one thing is to take and advice. One thing is to be convince that the active people are townie. I never said I was convinced you're both town, I just trust you both more than other players due to knowing you're both strong town players either way. I'm convinced Number 4 is mafia. Now I just have to go through my check lists. I posted I wanted to check the least active players because based on the past games, every mafia player has been AFK as fuck. SEVERAL times he says he has no reason to suspect me or rayn, and this makes it more clear, because (i) he says he trust us MORE than the other townies and (ii) this was AFTER I've explained to him that rayn wasn't calling Shockey mafia because one of Dadred's posts, rayn was calling DADRED mafia because of Shockey. And Shockey seemed to understand this and to be ok with this. But then, near EoN... On September 19 2020 03:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2020 03:23 GlowingBear wrote:
@Shockeyy, are you there? I would love to know your reads before the night ends. MafiaObviously Cop/Ever (Number 4) Scum leanMonadel - due to his questioning of me yesterday, need more posts from him, but he's leaning more null for me. NullRayn - I switched him from town ready because he's easy to flip flop reads from the look of it especially after asking for Cop to claim, then randomly decides I'm mafia cause Damdred said he liked my claim more lol... Vivax - I'm still on the fence with Vivax, but he's leaning more town. I need to speak with him more. Slight TownDamdred - I think he was generally interested in the game in the beginning. Idk what he's up to now. But I liked his posting when he was talking to Rayn. TownGB He tells a lie about rayn again, while dropping him to null. Again, he did trust rayn more than Monadel and Vivax. Monadel is a goddamn scum lean. So why checking rayn over those two guys?
3) No interest in solving the game / resorts on WIFOMEvery post from Shockey follows one of the following fashions: (i) it's just him responding N4's posts saying how mafia they are, (ii) it's him answering posts that has his name on it, (iii) it's him trying to WIFOM town with night kill conspiracies or how N4 and I are mafia together. There isn't a single post where he actually tries to investigate people in order to further understand their alignments, he doesn't react to new information as it means more was to solving the game. He reacts to posts that only follow his agenda of surviving. Not a single time after I voted him he thought I could be town very convinced and tunneled. And I was his top town n0. It's a common mafia reaction to just engage in conflict with his accusers in order to discredit their behavior. That's what is happening here. I love how you had to make shit up to even make this post work. Anybody actually following the thread can tell I interacted with everyone. I only interact with yourself and N4 because you two are literally the only other players that are constantly talking. I don't need to voice any concerns with you two because I know both of you are mafia. It's literally in everyones face 2 mafia vs the 1 cop.
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On September 22 2020 01:53 Number 4 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2020 01:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:On September 21 2020 21:35 GlowingBear wrote:Shockey is Mafia! 1) Extremely logical and well thought claim.
Why is this mafia: Claims that comes from mafia usually comes from a well devised plan with an agenda behind it. It is usually calculated and comes from a person who has perfect information. On the other hand, it's hard for mafia to blend in with genuine posts because they have perfect information and, with that, they have to fake every single post. This will make it sound robotic, generic, over cautious. This is what it sounds here: + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2020 05:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2020 05:02 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 04:52 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:30 Monadel wrote:On September 18 2020 04:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so much for the confusion, just google number four + klaus + ben. I had my laughs :D
Let's play mafia. Monadel do you think anything sticks out as fishy atm? No I don't. I think what Glowingbear is saying is an unescessary over explanation on "the cop should claim" but I dont think it makes him mafia Why? Actually I agree. The cop gets n0 check then they need do claim.. 5v2 we get a red check for the cop is a good trade. I think cop shouldn't claim until d2 though. Rayn why push for a cop claim n0? To be fair I like the idea of having cop claiming n0 so the doctor knows who to protect. It either forces mafia to fakeclaim or doctor hunt. They will have 25% chance of hitting doctor while we guarantee we have a cop with a check day1. The problem is when we don't have a clear claim and the doctor can't find out who the cop is because they "assume" it's someone else. This only helps mafia. I was about to ask for more reasons why cop should claim N0, but I guess, it just needs to be done, and I really prefer town winning if that's the case here. I really want to trust Rayn and yourself GB for this claim, and really hope that I'm doing the right thing by doing so. Hi. I'm finally a blue role (cop here [not copcake]) in one of Hapa's games. Who should I check on my N0 action? I was thinking of Monadel since he's new or Number4 since it's a hydra role. Compare to how Number4 revealed their role: + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2020 05:16 Number 4 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2020 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2020 05:10 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 05:05 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 05:02 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:58 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 04:42 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:31 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 04:16 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:13 GlowingBear wrote:
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Wait, Copcake? I am eversince. And I'm inevitable Good! Now tell me sme of your reads? ^^ Rayn mafia Damdy meh You and CopCake detectives forever. Who can it be now? Monadel newbie on the forums, may be a bit intimidated to post more, but for now meh. Still waiting Vivax to own the game once more I don't think m!Ryan here. Care to talk about it? -ES Sure, Ben! I don't like his opening while forcing people to say if they're the cop or not. Just ask for the cop to claim and move on? Also, if I got it right (I might have interpreted it wrong) if I said I was the cop he could think I was mafia fakeclaiming. If he thinks cop claiming is 100% the best option for town, why would I be mafia fakeclaiming? Mafia can't fake claim n0? That's suicide. Oh you claim n0? We lynch into the two. -ES no its not. Claim cop. See flip. Lynch who's wrong? Or am I being stupid? If mafia fake claims and doc saves cop and we have green flip then I'm 100% sure that makes them scum. Interested in discussion. Being slowly convinced by rayn that the cop should claim. On September 18 2020 05:25 Number 4 wrote:Ok. Let us end this. Shock start talking . Reacted to the fake claim cautiously. On September 18 2020 05:39 Number 4 wrote:
How claiming cop is important for mafia.
For mafia is not important, it is for town so it can be protected by the doctor. Mafia can’t give shit about it if the cop claims or not, they are going to kill someone anyways at night (more likely with the claim).
Idk if I explained it right. Still not understanding how mafia could benefit from the claim, which explains why Number4 doesn't instantly jump on Shockey's neck ("fakeclaiming is suicide, mafia needs to survive, ergo, mafia probably won't fakeclaim, ergo, Shockey might be town trying to pull a plan") On September 18 2020 05:56 Number 4 wrote:
Ok, Eversince and me agreed to do this. We are the cop. Shockey’s claim is bullshit.
I was thinking in playing a little bit and do not claim, then when I read GB’s post about the 5v2 let me realize that if Shockey is mafia fake claiming then we are screwed since we need the protection of the doctor now because ever asked shockey to talk in two posts so that is kinda an out.
I honestly think GB is mafia, and that is the check I sent btw.
So that is all.
Finally, the claim. You can follow their logic easily, the claim is to the point: "I'm the cop, Shockey's claim is bullshit", and a little explanation. In conclusion: although Number4 is a hydra, you can clearly follow their stream of reasoning until they reach the decision of claiming cop. The same can't be said about Shockey.
2) Rayn's check / not following with the plan of simultaneous check reveal
Why is this mafia: if you need to fake a check on someone, you will either: (i)have to call a townie town, (ii) have to call your scum mate town, any other option is suicide. And any of these options may compromise you, especially when you had Rayn creating a plan where both cops reveals their check simultaneously. It's easier to decide who you're going to shoot and then claiming you had a check on the flipped townie. This way, you don't have much work of creating a more fake scenarios that you have to convince town. Also, shockey's check makes NO SENSE under his perspective because with so many "nulls", Shockey would NEVER check Rayn. See these posts: + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2020 07:07 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2020 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now i am gonna be interested in who YOU are gonna check Shockeyy? Possibly Vivax just cause him and I have had our quarrels in the past few games, or Dadred only cause that fucker was mafia last game... and I was fooled. He was afraid of Vivax AND Damdred because they got him fooled, so it would make sense to check these guys. On September 18 2020 07:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2020 07:34 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 07:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:On September 18 2020 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 07:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:On September 18 2020 07:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2020 07:14 ShoCkeyy wrote:On September 18 2020 07:12 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 18 2020 07:10 Number 4 wrote:
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Took us 4 hours? Hooray hun! If it was a 30 player game i would totally be lynching you two for you bullshit nonsense that doesnt even make any sense ever..... Yeah but most of the real claims are a bit clunky and illogical. It felt more and more that they were telling the truth and Shockey wasn't really invested in hunting. What the fuck are you guys smoking???? I'm invested... I'm literally checking players outside of the person who counter claimed me. It's N0, and I have the best action to help finding mafia. Now town is going to decide I'm mafia because Dadred said I looked more natural? Where the hell is the logic in that. On September 18 2020 05:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:On September 18 2020 05:02 GlowingBear wrote:On September 18 2020 04:52 Number 4 wrote:On September 18 2020 04:30 Monadel wrote:
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No I don't.
I think what Glowingbear is saying is an unescessary over explanation on "the cop should claim" but I dont think it makes him mafia Why? Actually I agree. The cop gets n0 check then they need do claim.. 5v2 we get a red check for the cop is a good trade. I think cop shouldn't claim until d2 though. Rayn why push for a cop claim n0? To be fair I like the idea of having cop claiming n0 so the doctor knows who to protect. It either forces mafia to fakeclaim or doctor hunt. They will have 25% chance of hitting doctor while we guarantee we have a cop with a check day1. The problem is when we don't have a clear claim and the doctor can't find out who the cop is because they "assume" it's someone else. This only helps mafia. I was about to ask for more reasons why cop should claim N0, but I guess, it just needs to be done, and I really prefer town winning if that's the case here. I really want to trust Rayn and yourself GB for this claim, and really hope that I'm doing the right thing by doing so. Hi. I'm finally a blue role (cop here [not copcake]) in one of Hapa's games. Who should I check on my N0 action? I was thinking of Monadel since he's new or Number4 since it's a hydra role. This is the most artificial shit i have ever heard, sorry, Did you even see the timeline? Can you explain why then N4 decided to counter claim me after I said I would check her? Shockey I don't think you will convince rayn. May I ask you to post your stream of thoughts when looking at the thread? When did you start reading, what did you think of posts at that time, etc. I started reading 10 minutes before posting my claim. I literally followed the advice of you and Rayn because I also saw it's in the best interest of town. Number 4 didn't even want to "claim" until they saw I was gunning for them at night check. Ok, got it and I understand why would you, as cop, take the advice. But I want to understand what did you think of people's alignment at that time. I mean, one thing is to take and advice. One thing is to be convince that the active people are townie. I never said I was convinced you're both town, I just trust you both more than other players due to knowing you're both strong town players either way. I'm convinced Number 4 is mafia. Now I just have to go through my check lists. I posted I wanted to check the least active players because based on the past games, every mafia player has been AFK as fuck. SEVERAL times he says he has no reason to suspect me or rayn, and this makes it more clear, because (i) he says he trust us MORE than the other townies and (ii) this was AFTER I've explained to him that rayn wasn't calling Shockey mafia because one of Dadred's posts, rayn was calling DADRED mafia because of Shockey. And Shockey seemed to understand this and to be ok with this. But then, near EoN... On September 19 2020 03:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2020 03:23 GlowingBear wrote:
@Shockeyy, are you there? I would love to know your reads before the night ends. MafiaObviously Cop/Ever (Number 4) Scum leanMonadel - due to his questioning of me yesterday, need more posts from him, but he's leaning more null for me. NullRayn - I switched him from town ready because he's easy to flip flop reads from the look of it especially after asking for Cop to claim, then randomly decides I'm mafia cause Damdred said he liked my claim more lol... Vivax - I'm still on the fence with Vivax, but he's leaning more town. I need to speak with him more. Slight TownDamdred - I think he was generally interested in the game in the beginning. Idk what he's up to now. But I liked his posting when he was talking to Rayn. TownGB He tells a lie about rayn again, while dropping him to null. Again, he did trust rayn more than Monadel and Vivax. Monadel is a goddamn scum lean. So why checking rayn over those two guys?
3) No interest in solving the game / resorts on WIFOMEvery post from Shockey follows one of the following fashions: (i) it's just him responding N4's posts saying how mafia they are, (ii) it's him answering posts that has his name on it, (iii) it's him trying to WIFOM town with night kill conspiracies or how N4 and I are mafia together. There isn't a single post where he actually tries to investigate people in order to further understand their alignments, he doesn't react to new information as it means more was to solving the game. He reacts to posts that only follow his agenda of surviving. Not a single time after I voted him he thought I could be town very convinced and tunneled. And I was his top town n0. It's a common mafia reaction to just engage in conflict with his accusers in order to discredit their behavior. That's what is happening here. I love how you had to make shit up to even make this post work. Anybody actually following the thread can tell I interacted with everyone. I only interact with yourself and N4 because you two are literally the only other players that are constantly talking. I don't need to voice any concerns with you two because I know both of you are mafia. It's literally in everyones face 2 mafia vs the 1 cop. Ok. Benefit of doubt. Why the fuck would ever not kill you then? In DC cop can die next night and win. Really? Hun this isn't my first time around the block. -es
Because you both keep painting me as "obvious" mafia meaning I can easily get voted out. That's why you also killed Rayn, since he was speculating me to try and frame me.
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