[N][M]Noir Mini Mafia - Ch. 5

On August 10 2020 05:14 LightningStrike wrote:
Like this activity isn't good for town because mafia can easily blend into the shadows with a very afk town like this....

On August 10 2020 12:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So no majority, this is feeling like the previous mafia games, where mafia tend to just not post at all while town goes at each other throats.

I didn’t get to post most of the weekend since I have family over. But starting tomorrow I’ll have more time to post.

On August 11 2020 04:48 Trfel wrote:
I disagree.

Got any reads?

On August 11 2020 08:49 Trfel wrote:
Fecalfeast, I'll try to step back and give you space to do your thing. But can I ask, do you have any new reads, or revisions to old reads, now that you've caught up? Or please share whenever you do catch up?

On August 11 2020 09:01 Trfel wrote:
Sorry, what is LHF?

On August 11 2020 09:04 Trfel wrote:
No worries, thanks, makes sense. Why do you say you're low hanging fruit early on though? I don't recall this being the case, I remember you having a decent town game when you decided to play. In all stages of the game.

I'll take a closer look at your reads in a bit.

On August 11 2020 09:26 Trfel wrote:
Can you explain to me why this is a toneread? Because to me this sounds like a normal read, not a toneread. Sorry if I'm being obtuse.

On August 11 2020 09:27 LightningStrike wrote:
Trfel he just mafia don't answer him

On August 11 2020 09:32 Trfel wrote:
It's not much of a risk really, but sure.

@LightningStrike, sorry, but I'm not 100% convinced he's mafia yet. I'm still going to work on it.

@Fecalfeast, sorry for so many questions, but can I ask why you voted for Vivax and not for LightningStrike here?

On August 11 2020 09:45 Eywa- wrote:
Is Trfel the kill? LOL

On August 11 2020 09:43 Trfel wrote:
Fecalfeast confirmed town, really.

On August 11 2020 09:52 Eywa- wrote:
I'll actually just dunk on ANYONE if someone goes to 3 or 4.

On August 12 2020 09:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
That's 5?

On August 12 2020 09:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
That's 5?

On August 12 2020 10:03 Vivax wrote:
Wait cheesecake, you didn't vote?

On August 12 2020 10:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
What if that's his scumbuddy and that was his bus attempt LMAO

On August 12 2020 10:12 Vivax wrote:
Don't see why he should be mafia for that post when it tried to make the lynch happen.

##Vote: Mr. CC

On August 11 2020 04:09 HoldenGolden wrote:
I've ended up getting tied up dealing with the Joy's of university book stores. I'll be back probably this evening after my next class.

I've skimmed and why are we start to lock ourselves into lynching the inactives? A common trend I saw is someone is or is/is not a good lynch based on their activity level. Why? If someone is active and seems scummy to you, they can be power scum and thus needs to be lynched.

I'm fine plynching; but this feels more like a mentality thing rather than actually being forced to plynch yet.

On August 13 2020 07:16 Trfel wrote:
That aside...

I don't want to lynch HoldenGolden if possible, I don't really think he is mafia. I'd much prefer lynching LightningStrike or ShoCkeyy (specifically those two because they have votes). I'll try and reread some filters.

##unvote

On August 13 2020 09:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I look bad in every game I play, thats comment theme yo.

On August 14 2020 10:27 Trfel wrote:
I'll try and be back later with some new reads. Kinda didn't feel like doing anything over the night phase in case I died.

Inclined to look at LightningStrike/Fecalfeast/ShoCkeyy/GTacc first (not in any order, and yes I'm aware that half the player pool isn't really narrowing it down ><).

On August 15 2020 08:28 Trfel wrote:
Honestly this may be the most likely result. Think about what would be required for the doctor to get a save. One of the two mafia would have to be present enough to shoot, and the doctor would have to be present, and somehow they'd have to choose the same target. What are the odds of that...

On August 14 2020 10:13 LightningStrike wrote:

I honestly trying to figure out if the doctor should claim who they saved or not tbh. Thoughts on that?

On August 15 2020 12:03 Trfel wrote:
Do explain?

On August 15 2020 12:08 Dadred wrote:
Because I'm town and trying to solve the game and probably have given more posts to the game in under an hour than most have done in 12 to be honest.

Now you guys are going to be forced to play the game hopefully.

FF do you know why I think Eywa is scum? Or why I think Trfel might be?

On August 15 2020 12:31 Trfel wrote:
Damdred, I don't understand. You used to be a nice person, why must you be a complete jerk? Did I do something to upset you? Because if so, first off I am sorry, and second, I have completely forgotten about it. Please remind me.

Sorry, I thought that question was rhetorical. And speaking of not reading the thread:

On August 15 2020 23:55 Dadred wrote:
Here's the issue with Eywa that I think is quite lynchable

1) For instance look at their reads it is way to certain at points. For example the town Read on LS Eywa reads him hard town really fast when LS hasn't really done anything indicative at that point.

On August 15 2020 23:55 Dadred wrote:
2) The scum read on Holden while still speaking to him like he is town at points. Also for being his strongest scum read and casing him never really pushes it and goes to Vivax. Only going back to Holden when others did as well.

On August 15 2020 23:55 Dadred wrote:
Also seems to not really have much inquisitive nature past a certain point.

Tldr reads are way to hard super early, has no follow up with case. And has lost drive as the game has went on (last one isn't super indicative in a slow game though)

On August 16 2020 02:33 Eywa- wrote:
I don't have an inquisitive nature because I don't expect responses to my questions to yield anything of value. This game has "reads list" players, which I think is cute.

Everyone has vivax as null since the very start of the game and no one finds that to be weird? Also, I was talking to Holden as though he might be town because I realized he might have town slipped in some of his posts, but I didn't see vivax happening as the first kill, so trying to generate a new consensus would just have been impossible.

On August 16 2020 04:55 Dadred wrote:
Actually FF I can do work I do not mind. However it is quite...sad...that you wouldn't even read like a three page filter to make your own mind up. Not saying your scum but slightly dissapointed

On August 16 2020 06:27 Eywa- wrote:

Is this how you play mafia? Lol

Why do we care if you'll take responsibility. If you're willing to take responsibility, you should be willing to go the other way, you first then LS right?

On August 16 2020 07:02 Vivax wrote:


Trfel not really setting off alarm bells for me. He seems focused enough on a picture in his head, as mafia he posts enough but tends to not let it shine through that he has particular preferences.

On August 16 2020 07:23 Trfel wrote:
Didn't realize anyone actually played Starcraft here, haha. Fun times.

I'll try to post on ShoCkeyy in a bit. I think the reason I'm suspecting him is that the reasoning for him to scumread LightningStrike changed seemingly arbitrarily but I need to double check. It's been a few days since I looked at it.

I stand by lynching someone over no one, for the record. Even a town read for me. It may not give me any new information but it helps everyone else and that makes it worth it (compared to no lynch). Also there is always the chance I'm wrong. I messed up once before and no lynched instead of lynching a town read and it lost us the game, I don't intend to make that mistake again.

Fecalfeast, I don't care how I look, I just don't like being insulted. Sorry if I'm a bit sensitive to that, TL Mafia and life both haven't been very kind to me for a while.

On August 16 2020 07:41 Dadred wrote:


So cheesecake isn't voting. And we have a lot of worthless votes.

Hrm

On August 16 2020 07:57 Trfel wrote:
Yeah, still suspicious. I feel like most people try to get a chance to evaluate the replacement first.

Unless you have a read on Dadred already, in which case I'm all ears?

On August 15 2020 10:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Ohhh just saw LS post. Makes it even easier.

##unvote
##vote damdred

On August 16 2020 08:01 Trfel wrote:
Fair enough, I apologize and withdraw my suspicion. I can't seem to find what I saw a few days ago any more.

No idea what I'm doing. But maybe ShoCkeyy isn't mafia after all :/

On August 16 2020 08:11 Trfel wrote:
Unfortunately I'm not sure

Eywa- I thought was mafia, then I thought maybe he was town, now I'm really unsure. I'm interested why he suspects me so heavily, hopefully that will help me read him. He's also one of the players I need to re-evaluate.
Dadred I will give the benefit of the doubt for now.
ShoCkeyy maybe town? Maybe?
LightningStrike I also need to reread, I could see him being mafia though.
Mr. Cheesecake I think is town.
Vivax I kinda think is town, he's been around and pushing things that are important to him.
Fecalfeast I could see being mafia as well except he's been rather active. I need to take another look at him.

Basically Eywa-/LightningStrike/Fecalfeast for now, maybe Dadred later.

On August 11 2020 04:21 Trfel wrote:
Terrible Takes by Trfel

Town Lean
Mr. Cheesecake + Show Spoiler +
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On August 15 2020 08:27 Trfel wrote:
I still feel like Mr. Cheesecake is town from earlier, though he hasn't posted in quite a while and that's disappointing. But that's not really alignment indicative. When he was posting, it felt like he was town. I only have one reason to call Eywa- mafia and at this point, it's not super compelling anymore, especially when compared to GTacc, ShoCkeyy, and LightningStrike.

Eywa- I thought was mafia, then I thought maybe he was town, now I'm really unsure. I'm interested why he suspects me so heavily, hopefully that will help me read him. He's also one of the players I need to re-evaluate.
Dadred I will give the benefit of the doubt for now.
ShoCkeyy maybe town? Maybe?
LightningStrike I also need to reread, I could see him being mafia though.
Mr. Cheesecake I think is town.
Vivax I kinda think is town, he's been around and pushing things that are important to him.
Fecalfeast I could see being mafia as well except he's been rather active. I need to take another look at him.

On August 16 2020 09:15 Vivax wrote:


Being bloodthirsty is good, is town.

In this game mafia will most likely have a bag of old reads from D1 to carry around and just pretend to do nothing but now that the afk townies are gone (if Damdred presumably is town), in my view I am left with Shockeyy and eywa who fit that picture.

At least that's how I remember it, but I'm going over their posts first to see if I'm not reaching here.

On August 16 2020 09:19 Vivax wrote:


You mean you think LightningStrike was mafia for his EoD vote and your case is that Trfel as town should be scumreading him?

Is that your premise?

On August 16 2020 08:21 Fecalfeast wrote:

Why do you think cheesecake is town when they've been afk for 4 days? Have you ever elaborated on this?

You made a post that says he irks you but since he is active you'd rather not kill him.
+ Show Spoiler

On August 16 2020 08:29 Fecalfeast wrote:


Literally the only confident read Trfel has is a townread on a player with a two-and-a-half page filter that unvoted before deadline to stop a majority (with me hehe) who hasn't posted in 4 days when their initial townread of them was based partially on their activity.

On August 19 2020 03:41 Eywa- wrote:
I'm 100% always voting Damdred today by the way. Any votes cast for anyone but Damdred have a 0% chance of town win because I'm not moving.

On August 19 2020 05:04 Trfel wrote:
To be honest, even though I agree with your conclusion, I kinda disagree with the analysis. Mafia stacking a town wagon doesn't necessarily mean the other wagon was mafia.

On August 19 2020 07:12 Eywa- wrote:

Personally, I think Trfel pandering for my vote up until I pointed it out is more indicative of "not partners"... Which I guess puts me with only LS from your perspective as a potential partner.

Yes there are other associations that could be drawn but in LYLO is where all bets are final

On August 19 2020 08:31 Eywa- wrote:

I would say Trfel was independently scummy before and has nothing dissociating him. If I dig real deep, I can say they basically started to engage each other in the thread in a serious way after I pointed out how I couldn't be with him due to how he's been interacting with me. He also took a 180 on his approach toward me when I pointed that out.

I haven't read his most recent stuff, I will do a review tomorrow on it. LS could easily be his partner, but like I said I though LS town slipped when reacting to my "doc fishing". I think Damdred giving LS a town read without thinking about how that doesn't really make sense from his PoV is more indicative of him trying to buy a vote than shield a partner that is already protected by town reads.

On August 16 2020 07:49 Eywa- wrote:
Trfel Damdred vivax contains 2 scum lol

On August 20 2020 06:46 Trfel wrote:
I guess whenever you're around I've been asking you questions and bringing up things to discuss and you haven't responded :/ Maybe you didn't find it interesting or whatever but it gets frustrating after a while. My cases didn't seem to make an impact either. It's not your fault, I guess I need to try and learn a new playstyle that people appreciate more, it's just demotivating.

On August 20 2020 08:07 Eywa- wrote:

I'm not confident at all in your LS read.

On August 20 2020 09:07 Dadred wrote:
Well that's true.

On August 20 2020 09:13 LightningStrike wrote:
The case on Eywa-
So here is one of his entrance posts:

Why blue hunt that early into the game as town? It makes no sense to do it as if the doctor got outed then they will be roleblocked for the rest of the game.

On August 20 2020 09:13 LightningStrike wrote:
Next this post after he voted Vivax when prompted on why he is voting Vivax:

He didn't have a real reason to lynch Vivax at that point and thus was a bad vote reason.

On August 20 2020 09:13 LightningStrike wrote:
Next this was on the 10th's deadline coming in this post:

He was suggesting a lynch alternative and he didn't even said any reasons for why Trfel was possibly mafia at that point of time.
Next this weird post from him:

Why are cases scummy? When people post cases it meant to prove someone is a certain alignment idk why he really would cases are scummy as town.
Next this snide comment:

If you really thought someone was obvious town why didn't you defend them and even further more he never explained why he thought Shockeyy was town in the first place before that post in the first place.
Next he tried to force himself vs Damdred this entire phase:

He tried to do this because town needed to move on? Very odd thing to do even I did do something similar trying to push FF Day 1 I didn't do it more than 1 IRL day for it.
Last and not least trying to tell me and Damdred that the other is mafia:

Before that post I explained my Damdred read on why I thought Damdred was town so why did I need to think Damdred is mafia at that point? Very weird thing to do as town to tell 2 people that they must scumread each other.
TLDR:
1. Very weird entrance
2. Very unexplained reads throughout the game on multiple people
3. Didn't really defend his town read and made a very snide remark regarding his town read being lynched
4. Tried to force Damdred vs him for this entire day phase
5. Telling me and Damdred that we must scumread each other

On August 20 2020 09:30 LightningStrike wrote:
Wtf no responses to my case yet? WTF TOWN READ MY CASE AND LEAST RESPOND TO IT..............

On August 15 2020 08:10 Fecalfeast wrote:
Another random thought if there was a no kill due to none being submitted and mafia is just afk this game doesn't count