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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9674 Posts
July 14 2020 02:57 GMT
#875
On July 14 2020 11:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like if rayn makes it to D3 he JUST dies man, it will never ever work out for rayn just don't even worry about rayn. WHO IS IT IF IT'S NOT RAYN, JOCK?


Probably chezinu because all of that in the last post could apply to chezinu too, but to a lesser degree (ie he was 'less' comfortable at the time of TT's death).
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9674 Posts
July 14 2020 03:02 GMT
#878
On July 14 2020 11:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2020 11:57 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 14 2020 11:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like if rayn makes it to D3 he JUST dies man, it will never ever work out for rayn just don't even worry about rayn. WHO IS IT IF IT'S NOT RAYN, JOCK?


Probably chezinu because all of that in the last post could apply to chezinu too, but to a lesser degree (ie he was 'less' comfortable at the time of TT's death).

I mean I've thought it was Chezinu for a while it's only RAYN that keeps me from voting him. And nostalgia.

God damnit, Cake was suspicious of Chez too and Cake died in the night.

Jockmcplop would you start a counterwagon with me?

We're taking a gamble on chez this phase though because if its not chez I am 100% dead on day 4.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9674 Posts
July 14 2020 03:06 GMT
#881
Good luck. I'm going for a 4am walk cos i'm TOTALLY RANDOM like that and i do better thinking in air.
I'll be back in half an hour or something.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9674 Posts
July 14 2020 03:08 GMT
#883
On July 14 2020 12:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2020 08:07 Tictock wrote:
Rayn I don't expect much, but can you throw a bit to help me understand why you feel Chez is town?

I get he is sorta claiming his "character name" but I don't see how that helps identify him as town. As far as I am aware we all received a character for flavor purposes but doesn't determine alignment.

Trfel's only post is hot garbage. Excuse into throwing shade based on what happend in another game.

This is the only thing I can see that might irk Chez into killing Ticktock. He shaded Chez and in the same breath invoked the role PMs, maybe he got a role read off him.


Just saw this.
Its not exactly a smoking gun.
I know chez has payed close attention to rayn this game. Rayn suggesting we check me/tictock and then chez killing tictock does make alot of sense.

RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9674 Posts
July 14 2020 03:16 GMT
#887
On July 14 2020 12:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2020 12:08 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 14 2020 12:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
On July 09 2020 08:07 Tictock wrote:
Rayn I don't expect much, but can you throw a bit to help me understand why you feel Chez is town?

I get he is sorta claiming his "character name" but I don't see how that helps identify him as town. As far as I am aware we all received a character for flavor purposes but doesn't determine alignment.

Trfel's only post is hot garbage. Excuse into throwing shade based on what happend in another game.

This is the only thing I can see that might irk Chez into killing Ticktock. He shaded Chez and in the same breath invoked the role PMs, maybe he got a role read off him.


Just saw this.
Its not exactly a smoking gun.
I know chez has payed close attention to rayn this game. Rayn suggesting we check me/tictock and then chez killing tictock does make alot of sense.


It makes perfect sense, that's 50/50 that he killed the person they checked. I was absolutely going to mention that Cake ALMOST CERTIANLY checked Ticktock and that whoever...

omg you just figured it out that's EXACTLY why Chez kills TT. Because he knows that if HE'S checked, then he's fucked anyway it's him vs the claim, but if TT is checked, then he just fucked the role because the role gets no result and their check is wasted.


Yeah it makes sense.
I need to clear my head though i just woke up in the middle of the night. I don't want to leave myself alive on day 4 (town insta loses in this situation i think) so we need to be sure.
I'll be back in half an hour-an hour and i'll change my vote if i think its enough of a sure thing. Anything else you can find on chezinu in the meantime would be handy
I've got a hospital appointment tomorrow afternoon so might not be able to be around much.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9674 Posts
July 14 2020 03:43 GMT
#893
ok so i'm sorry if this is useless but i've been trying to get into chez's RPing mindset to see if there's anything useful we can get from his videos.

All I could think of is that literally eating a symbolic standin for trfel while killing him definitely has an 'ancient evil' vibe to it.

Also he blended his trifle as a sadistic way to make me suffer. Surely only evil would partake in such things.

And yeah, I'm pretty sure the game gets decided here VE.

Convince me that its not rayn instead of just saying 'don't worry about rayn' and we can at least be on the same page going in to the lynch.

RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9674 Posts
July 14 2020 03:44 GMT
#894
For my part, I hated the way rayn came into today like slam is the lynch but without even the slightest open mind toward me not being mafia. I cant square that circle. It looks pure scum. If there's some ironclad argument from earlier in the game that i'm not getting it coudl do with explaining now.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9674 Posts
July 14 2020 03:51 GMT
#898
On July 14 2020 12:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well I did already try. Read my posts, I didn't just repeatedly say "don't worry about it" until the end here.


The most i can really find is that its his day 1 read of trfel.
Explain to me why that can't come from mafia rayn.

I'm thinking back to a specific game where Eversince knew she wasn't going to be able to get internet later on so rayn bussed her from the very beginning of the game. The whole game felt like this tbh.

If there's something specific about the argument that rayn used to vote for trfel, i'm not seeing it, so help me see it.

RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9674 Posts
July 14 2020 03:55 GMT
#900
On July 14 2020 12:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2020 12:44 Jockmcplop wrote:
For my part, I hated the way rayn came into today like slam is the lynch but without even the slightest open mind toward me not being mafia. I cant square that circle. It looks pure scum. If there's some ironclad argument from earlier in the game that i'm not getting it coudl do with explaining now.

Here's why it makes sense from a town rayn mindset:

He's got this FIRM townread on Chez and me - so from his perspective it's either you or Slam, and if you survive another night you get auto-lynched the next day. It's the safe play because if he's wrong and it's Slam, he wins too.


hmmm

I can maybe see it. Leaving something to 'if you survive another night you are auto mafia' just gives mafia an auto-win an entire day in advance in the case that i'm town.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9674 Posts
July 14 2020 03:59 GMT
#901
On July 14 2020 12:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2020 11:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like if rayn is mafia, his game wasn't perfect. He idiotically bussed his partner D1, Trfel could've ridden for D1 and came back blazing D2 it happens ALL the time. There's no long-con justification for bussing your partner D1 in mafia it's a numbers game dog.

^ Why I think this game doesn't look like rayn mafia play ^

I think the case rayn made on D1 is more likely to come from a town rayn than a bussing mafia rayn. The way he gets aggravated when people don't play the way he wants. It all just feels very town to me.


https://tl.net/forum/mafia/549333-minifeast-15

This was the game i'm thinking about.
Rayn busses ES from the very start of the game.
Its a 9 player game with 2 scum.
ES is unsure about her ability to keep activity up throughout the game. Rayn busses with permission for the eventual win.

RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9674 Posts
July 14 2020 04:09 GMT
#904
Problem is rayn and chez are both the kind of player who would relish the challenge of winning a game on their own from day 2 onwards.

Everything about them is kinda symmetrical, if you know what i mean. No matter which way you look at it it could be either of them.

On July 14 2020 13:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2020 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Firstly, i have to say that i think there is no reason why Trfel's scumbuddy isn't possibly voting for him right now assuming Trfel is mafia. Votes on him (aside from me and maybe Chezinu?) are basically because he is inactive. That's easy to fix, Trfel just starts posting and you can take off the vote on your scumbuddy. No harm done.

However i actually do think Trfel's post in itself looks like a mafia post. Basically i see Trfel as paerson who investigates things and asks questions because there is some sort of contradiction to his own thought process of how things should go and he tries to figure out what the person thinks and if it makes sense or not. See for example him questioning Cake last game at the start of the game.

This post though:
On July 09 2020 01:57 Trfel wrote:
Completely forgot about this game.

On July 08 2020 18:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well TT is town so there is that. I think there is a huge difference already in how he approaches the game in comparison to the last game.
I thought Tictock was pretty towny last game, care to explain this?

...doesn't reall show any of this. First of all the whole question i nthe first place about TT is really stupid and shows no thinking behind it at all. Because TT was fucking mafia in the last game!!!! Trfel thinking TT was town last game doesn't mean shit because Trfel was WRONG and if TT is town this game, there FOR SURE is a difference in his play (regardless of if anyone can notice it or not at that point). Like the whole question feels like a throwaway thing based on no thinking at all. It just.... doesn't make any sense to me that THIS is what Trfel has to say when he comes and posts. Coming in late makes it more likely you make mistakes as mafia, and i think Trfel made on here.

Also a smaller point is that yeah, as i said earlier, people who feel the need to tell that they forgot about the game starting (regardless of if it is true or not) are more likely to be mafia. That's a fact. No matter when you start posting there should be no reason for a townie to feel the need to explain why they haven't been posting so far.

A scumbuddy doesn't try to "AHAAAAA! GOTCHA" their teammates when they bus. They just make their point and vote them. The bolded bit reads like a townie who is explaining his mindset - not a mafia who pre-meditated a bus. Like I said earlier, the mafia bus accusation against Trfel was "He shat on my townread of TT and his entrance was balls ##Vote", not a dissertation on the Scumminess of Trfel.


like this:
On July 03 2019 00:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i have your words on "Exactly, m!Grack makes no sense" and you're now telling me "I think Grack could play his inactive self d1 as either mafia!Grack or town!Grack"??????????????

On July 03 2019 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
just no
##vote Eversince


This game feels EXACTLY the same.
Its just feels though.

We've left this too late get into a chez/rayn debate. We have to get the kill right.

RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9674 Posts
July 14 2020 04:11 GMT
#906
On July 14 2020 13:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not sure if people understand my read on ES, definitely don't understand why some people call it a bad read. My read is based on the fact ES seems (first) to be having an opinion on how Grack plays, then follows the logic further and comes to a conclusion that makes no sense. I can somehow understand this from town perspective still because ES seems to be a player who dumps everything she currently thinks into the thread and possibly can make logical mistakes (reference; the gunsmith game for those who know). That's why i unvoted. I was not sure. But then she did it again with HF. Like she literally said HF is super strong mafia player and then she went on saying if HF is mafia he is just gonna afk and we kill him. That's strike two and noone ever says that as town if the starting point is that HF is ridiculously strong mafia player. If someone has an opinion on someone else's play based on meta they NEVER contradict that opinion straight up as town, i am just not going to believe it.

I am letting Eywa off the hook at least until ES flip because i think ES is mafia, lately Eywa has made sense regardless of if i agree with her or not, and i think bussing would be stupid here, double bussing ridiculously stupid. I don't believe there is any chance they are mafia together and i think ES is scum so there is that.

I had a townread on grack early on because i decided (after his last scumgame) to read him like i read yamato. Grackaroni is quite a low quantity poster. His post early on where he asks kind of a throwaway question on Trfel made me think there is some sort of thought process in his head. I gave him a slight townread for that. When he came back and followed up his stuff he actually DID follow it up and it even made sense. When Grack was mafia he didn't really post anything "bad", in fact he posted all the right things but all that together was some random right things. The bus on Vivax especially threw me off there. There was not really any train of thought seen from his posting, if you get what i mean. rn i think it's different, however i am not fan of Grack's read on ES, especially the reasoning behind his read, because -- just like trfel's -- the reasoning doesn't really make anyone anything, it's a surface level read and easy to make without saying anything wrong, but there is really nothing that should make the opposing player anything. I guess they could be mafia together but i do not want to lynch Grack over ES.

I am not a fan of Trfel at all. I have pretty much no idea what he is doing and what he is trying to achieve. It feels like mafia!disformation-style-of-posting where you say stuff and look like youre thinking about stuff but you don't really say anything or do anything and everyone just ignores you.

Idk if i missed something. I have a friend over at my place so i am trying to read along and i will kick him out at latest 1 hour before deadline to be around.

This is the "case" on ES from that other game, every vote before it was a staged argument in the thread.

And in this case rayn not only doesn't "nail ES to the fucking floor" the way he did with Trfel in this game, he left himself plenty of outs to vote other people if there was no traction and possiblities for other lynches.

It looks VERY different from the case he made in this game, in which he laser targeted a person, left no room for doubt and confidently made his point.


OK I'll vote with you on chez.

I'm not going to be able to get you to vote rayn whatever happens.
All i'll say is if its rayn i'm going to kick and scream postgame.

RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9674 Posts
July 14 2020 04:21 GMT
#910
On July 14 2020 13:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
In that other game did rayn scream about lynching ES D1 the way he has all game this game?


Not exactly he was more subtle but he did mention ES in almost every single post in the last few pages of his filter there when she was dead.

RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9674 Posts
July 14 2020 04:24 GMT
#912
On July 14 2020 13:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
DUDE ITS NOT EVEN THE SAME THING

They didn't even lynch ES D1, it was all game and there was back and forth.

These two cases are apples and oranges even if rayn is mafia this game.

Oh well. I gotta go to bed. We'll figure this out, I know it.


I already voted with you its fine. I'm assuming you won't vote for rayn today.
I wish slam would come back. Either way chez has a good % chance of being mafia even if i personally think its slightly more likely to be rayn.

To rayn's credit I haven't found his play particularly frustrating to play against and he hasn't wasted huge amounts of time with extreme arguing and long posts, and those are things i would look for in mafia rayn. Then again he hasn't been in any danger at any point.

RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9674 Posts
July 14 2020 04:30 GMT
#914
Another thing is chezinu didn't even feel the need to make a video today, just 'lol' and a vote. Very much a case of 'I don't need to even bother trying any more'. Whether that's coming from a town place or a mafia place I dont' know chezinu well enough to judge, but its probably relevant to people who do.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9674 Posts
July 14 2020 05:54 GMT
#918
On July 14 2020 14:51 Chezinu wrote:
Jock mafia, gg

Jock not mafia, VE town

Slam vs Rayn

I don't want Fischer to die.. Rayn knows this... WHY!!??!?! WHY RAYN!!!! WHY!!!!

They want to kill me because they know I won't vote to kill my best pal Fischer...


Slam is town here.
Slam wouldn't 1v1 me as mafia.

its you or rayn.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9674 Posts
July 14 2020 06:00 GMT
#921
On July 14 2020 14:58 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2020 14:54 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 14 2020 14:51 Chezinu wrote:
Jock mafia, gg

Jock not mafia, VE town

Slam vs Rayn

I don't want Fischer to die.. Rayn knows this... WHY!!??!?! WHY RAYN!!!! WHY!!!!

They want to kill me because they know I won't vote to kill my best pal Fischer...


Slam is town here.
Slam wouldn't 1v1 me as mafia.

its you or rayn.


I thought you conceded... but you are here to play mind games with us!?!? To stop my celebration video in mid production!?!? Sometimes you got to charge the cell phone to shoot videos..


Meh, I realized that giving up was anti-wincon for town here.
If I die today its pretty bad because you/rayn are so pocketed.

'I thought you conceded' is scummy though.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9674 Posts
July 14 2020 06:03 GMT
#923
On July 14 2020 15:01 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2020 14:54 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 14 2020 14:51 Chezinu wrote:
Jock mafia, gg

Jock not mafia, VE town

Slam vs Rayn

I don't want Fischer to die.. Rayn knows this... WHY!!??!?! WHY RAYN!!!! WHY!!!!

They want to kill me because they know I won't vote to kill my best pal Fischer...


Slam is town here.
Slam wouldn't 1v1 me as mafia.

its you or rayn.


You seemed to be berry mixed up!!! Yes, I taunts you evil spirit!!! I am LUCCA GALLO RICCI!!!!

There is a new apostle in town!!! My friend Fischer caught you!!! Now you shall die!!! No longer will you possess a man!!! I will rise to be an apostle!!!


Honestly you were much better at cooking steak than making and eating trifle.

Sorry for the truth bomb.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9674 Posts
July 14 2020 06:26 GMT
#927
If I do get lynched today all I can hope is that whoever is town from rayn/chez realizes that they are compromised and let slam/VE decide the winner.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9674 Posts
July 15 2020 13:44 GMT
#944
rayn/chez whoever is town.
i'd rather die than let slam die.
revote for me please.

me+rayn+chez on day 4 is mafia autowin.
RIP Meatloaf <3
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